HOUSE Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGNa0_8Exfw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-_XvDCMCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJFxzgri38o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwYnRg7dnM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_2121oIgHM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T-3IUPwSPo Edited October 14, 2022 by HOUSE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, finn said: You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. Is this like another top QB has been “immunized”? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 He is horrible with ball protection One of the worst imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, HOUSE said: He is horrible with ball protection One of the worst imo He has a ton of dropped INT's too. I don't know what it is about his throws that makes it hard for defenders to catch it. He should have way more INT's. Edited October 14, 2022 by MJS 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 One of his tendencies due to his self confidence is to keep rolling back and back and back thinking he’ll escape. If they contain him we could have huge losses from the LOS. I’ve seen him do it before like the Bucs SB and others. The key with Von and GROOT, are contain those edges, and Oliver and Phillips penetrate up the middle so he keeps going back and back. Jones and Settle set the interior with lots of plugging gaps so the RB’s have nowhere to run up the middle. This game is very winnable. It will be a freakin nail biter from minute 1-60 or longer if we go to overtime. 35-31 Bills! Skewer the Chefs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 He runs with a strange limp wrist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, finn said: You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. Winning a Super Bowl and being consistently good will do that for you. 🤷♂️ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Winning a Super Bowl and being consistently good will do that for you. 🤷♂️ Right, but it doesn't make it less annoying. Unless it's your guy who's untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, finn said: Right, but it doesn't make it less annoying. Unless it's your guy who's untouchable. Bills win the Super Bowl this year, Josh should absolutely be in this category with how he's played these past three seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Bills win the Super Bowl this year, Josh should absolutely be in this category with how he's played these past three seasons. The vast majority of the media has him there already. I think a big chunk people just love to think the Bills are picked on, it is not true with Allen anymore. There were a lot of detractors for the first few seasons of Allen's career. The career stats favor Mahomes by a lot, last three years its closer but how do you break the tie? Head to head in playoffs? Super bowls? Just win the Super Bowl! That is all that is left to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyhero68 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Two of those fumbles were against a delayed Blitzer, hopefully the Bills watched these. Edmunds, or Milano on a delayed Blitz would make a tasty scoop and score TD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, finn said: You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. They have both been starters for 5 years. Mahomes has 27 fumbles, Allen 43. No I don't wish the Bills had Mahomes, it's just the numbers from PFR. Edited October 14, 2022 by Matt_In_NH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, finn said: You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. this was Brady from about 2005-2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Winning a Super Bowl and being consistently good will do that for you. 🤷♂️ and four straight AFC Championship in your first five years in the league...That is super! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He runs with a strange limp wrist And head tilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 There's that Subway commercial where Barkley says "I thought he never fumbles." Liars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 In two different interviews this week Von discussed the bad roughing the passer calls. He said the way he avoids it is to always go for the ball. He's not looking to kill the QB, but to get a strip/sack/fumble. Hopefully this is the mindset of all of the Bills' defenders this week. Contain Mahomes in the pocket and go for that ball. Maybe they can get Patrick to cough one up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Oops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T-3IUPwSPo Edited October 14, 2022 by HOUSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, folz said: In two different interviews this week Von discussed the bad roughing the passer calls. He said the way he avoids it is to always go for the ball. He's not looking to kill the QB, but to get a strip/sack/fumble. Hopefully this is the mindset of all of the Bills' defenders this week. Contain Mahomes in the pocket and go for that ball. Maybe they can get Patrick to cough one up. This is also how QBs like Allen, Mahomes, Jackson get away. They were failed to be wrapped up because the defender was going for the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 House. LOL. Love it. One interesting thing I've notice so far through just 5 games is that Allen and Mahomes have both been sacked 8 times this year. Mahomes for 62 yards loss, Allen for only 39 yards loss. Remember when Allen used to take 20 yard sacks every other game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 hours ago, MJS said: He has a ton of dropped INT's too. I don't know what it is about his throws that makes it hard for defenders to catch it. He should have way more INT's. could say the same about Josh, except in Josh's case we know why - he throws it hard enough that his own WR find it a challenge to catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 hours ago, finn said: You ever notice that no one ever criticizes Mahomes? At the most, it's "He had a bad game, but..." It's like his early success inoculated him, so, like Brady, he is out of bounds. Thou shalt not criticize the Holy One. “Give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep 'til noon.” - Mark Twain Mahomes didn't start until his 2nd year. Once he did start, he earned a reputation for brilliant play, resulting in >5000 yds passing and 50 TD to only 14 INTs. 9 fumbles but they only lost 2 of 'em - it paled next to the other stuff. That reputation still insulates him and influences how he's seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Mahomes can play bad. The problem is that Josh brings the best out him and elevates his performance. Mahomes has been essentially flawless against us in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 51 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Mahomes can play bad. The problem is that Josh brings the best out him and elevates his performance. Mahomes has been essentially flawless against us in the playoffs. Then he choked against the Bengals. That illustrates my point that he's insulated from criticism. He was awful in that last quarter when it counted, just like he was awful through three quarters of one of his Super Bowl appearances. Yet that awfulness does not form any part of the Mahomes narrative. Meanwhile, we're still hearing about Allen's "inaccuracy" and the "Bad Josh" who plays out of control. Again, I realize this is homer talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: could say the same about Josh, except in Josh's case we know why - he throws it hard enough that his own WR find it a challenge to catch No, Mahomes has way more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 10 hours ago, HOUSE said: He is horrible with ball protection One of the worst imo He’s a guy you take the bad with good. Because the good is very very good and the bad is far enough between that you can overcome it That said he has moments where he is absolutely atrocious with ball security. It’s one of the reasons I think the Bills dominate on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 16 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: The vast majority of the media has him there already. I think a big chunk people just love to think the Bills are picked on, it is not true with Allen anymore. There were a lot of detractors for the first few seasons of Allen's career. The career stats favor Mahomes by a lot, last three years its closer but how do you break the tie? Head to head in playoffs? Super bowls? Just win the Super Bowl! That is all that is left to do. I would tend to agree with this. Now I'd like to see him get the benefit when it comes to Roughing the Passer. Refs still don't call it as often as they should on Josh because of his size, physicality and willingness to take on tacklers. Although he's seen more flags in his favor over the last 2 years I still see late hits during slides, facemasks and tackles below the knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: I would tend to agree with this. Now I'd like to see him get the benefit when it comes to Roughing the Passer. Refs still don't call it as often as they should on Josh because of his size, physicality and willingness to take on tacklers. Although he's seen more flags in his favor over the last 2 years I still see late hits during slides, facemasks and tackles below the knees. I don’t like a lot of the rouging the passer penalties personally. He got one back the ravens that was weak. And when he is a runner he is a runner and subjected to rules of tackling running backs. Low tackles when running is not a penalty. I would like to see the slides you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 LETS GO BILLS D! SMASH MAHOMES AND KELCE! FORCE TURNOVER AFTER TURNOVER! MAKE KC HAVE NIGHTMARES AND FEAR OF BUFFALO THE NEXT 20 YEARS! LETS ***** GO BUFFALO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: LETS GO BILLS D! SMASH MAHOMES AND KELCE! FORCE TURNOVER AFTER TURNOVER! MAKE KC HAVE NIGHTMARES AND FEAR OF BUFFALO THE NEXT 20 YEARS! LETS ***** GO BUFFALO! I just hope both teams try their best and have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 (edited) On 10/14/2022 at 1:01 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He runs with a strange limp wrist Is that Lamar? Anyway, I'm sure Cian Fahey has a similar mashup video for Allen's mishaps somewhere. In terms of QB's, this stuff happens to everyone. So Mahomes drops it, Mahomes turfs it, Mahomes puts it into coverage. So does Allen, so does Brady, so does Rodgers. They're the best because they do it less often than others. Two things separate the top: consistency, and limitations. Brady has a limitation, he's 45 and runs like a paint can. Lamar can't attack outside the numbers and still seems like a half-field read guy. Rodgers hasn't been his normal consistency this year - and/or receivers haven't been helping him. Allen and Mahomes have been fairly consistent and have no limitations. Both can play the dink/dunk game or go over the top depending on what is available, or manufacture with the legs or make crazy off-schedule schoolyard plays. Any given week you can argue Allen over Mahomes or Mahomes over Allen but suffice to say they are their own tier of QB play right now. Edited October 15, 2022 by Ralonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 21 hours ago, Beck Water said: could say the same about Josh, except in Josh's case we know why - he throws it hard enough that his own WR find it a challenge to catch You could say the same about any QB. It’s a pointless observation. Sort of like counting games a team was 1 play away from winning and ignoring games they did win by a close margin that could’ve gone the other way. A compilation of Allen’s fumbles would be a tough watch as well. Both his strip sacks and some of his gaffes when running the ball carelessly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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