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[mrags]

Need to start pumping this thread again. It’s obvious the Bills aren’t going to trade for DHop. So we need to make sure they know we mean business. I think if we get both threads to 200 before the draft they will have to either trade for one, pick one up as a FA or take nothing but WRs in every round of the draft. One of them has to work out. 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Need to start pumping this thread again. It’s obvious the Bills aren’t going to trade for DHop. So we need to make sure they know we mean business. I think if we get both threads to 200 before the draft they will have to either trade for one, pick one up as a FA or take nothing but WRs in every round of the draft. One of them has to work out. 

Shirley

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:

Jinx? They were 6-0 last year before the Cincy playoff game in games Romo and Nantz called.

They won the games, but every time Romo would say something good about the Bills, something awful would happen.  He even mentioned it himself a couple of times during the broadcast.  I just wanted him to shut up!  LOL!

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Super Bowl ring 

 

 

well...it's true he has one.

[papazoid]

OBJ Names His New Price to Sign...$15/yr

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/obj-names-his-new-price-to-sign/ar-AA19hlc3

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, papazoid said:

OBJ Names His New Price to Sign...$15/yr

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/obj-names-his-new-price-to-sign/ar-AA19hlc3

 

I think that’s too rich for the Bills blood.

[BillsFanForever19]

23 minutes ago, papazoid said:

OBJ Names His New Price to Sign...$15/yr

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/obj-names-his-new-price-to-sign/ar-AA19hlc3

 

Well then he's not playing NFL Football this year. No one's coming close to that price. Mecole Hardman just signed for 6.2. OBJ isn't even getting 10.

 

If he wants his big contract, he's going to have to sign for the best deal he'll get this season on a one year deal, prove he's worth it, and then try again. 

 

Bet he's waiting for after the Draft and hoping a team that's desperate will up their price. But $15m? Never going to happen.

Edited March 31, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[SCBills]

21 minutes ago, papazoid said:

OBJ Names His New Price to Sign...$15/yr

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/obj-names-his-new-price-to-sign/ar-AA19hlc3

So, I’m supposed to believe the Jets (rumored front runner) are going to find him 15/yr when they are already structuring a Rodgers contract with multiple 20M+ void years?

[Victory Formation]

36 minutes ago, papazoid said:

OBJ Names His New Price to Sign...$15/yr

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/obj-names-his-new-price-to-sign/ar-AA19hlc3

[Warriorspikes51]

The most I'd offer him is 2 years at 9 million per.    That's more than fair for someone who has torn their ACL twice recently

[BontitaBills]

15 dollars a year….sign him up.  

[Aussie Joe]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

The most I'd offer him is 2 years at 9 million per.    That's more than fair for someone who has torn their ACL twice recently

If it’s 100 percent guaranteed he should take that … otherwise it’s a one year deal right ?

[BillsFanForever19]

8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

If it’s 100 percent guaranteed he should take that … otherwise it’s a one year deal right ?

 

I wouldn't pay that and I doubt Beane will either. 6.5 base on a 1 year deal. Add a voidable year of funny money that you can use to bump up his signing bonus on the 1 year deal. Bringing it close to 8 million between base and bonuses.

 

Take it or leave it. From the sounds of it, that's a lot better than he's being offered and might be the best he's going to get on a prove it deal. Which if he wants anywhere near what he's asking is what he's going to have to do. Prove it with us this year, cash in next year.

Edited April 1, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[HappyDays]

 

[ColoradoBills]

$15M per year on a long-term deal.  If Beane signed him to that I'd make him pee in a cup.

 

OBJ has said he would like to play for a contender and find a place that could serve as “home,” meaning he’d like a long-term deal. The Bills, Giants, Jets and Chiefs are among the teams that could still be interested in the firmer Pro Bowler.

[BillsFanForever19]

12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

$15M per year on a long-term deal.  If Beane signed him to that I'd make him pee in a cup.

 

OBJ has said he would like to play for a contender and find a place that could serve as “home,” meaning he’d like a long-term deal. The Bills, Giants, Jets and Chiefs are among the teams that could still be interested in the firmer Pro Bowler.

 

No one's going to pay him $15m. I'm not sure if that's accurate or a case of someone spitballing what they think it is. But when it comes down to it, he's going to have two options.

 

a.) He takes the best offer he's given. Which is most likely going to be a 1 year prove it deal so he can try and get closer to what he wants next season.

 

b.) He doesn't play Football this season. Which, if he doesn't, he'll probably never play again. Because at his age, coming off the injury he had, and being 2 years removed from the game - his price will go down further, if anyone wants to sign him.

 

I still say offer him 6-7 with incentives to earn more and a voidable year added on to boost his signing bonus or keep him if he proves that worth this season.

 

He's not going to sign for that now, if his asking price is nowhere near that. But when push comes to shove and he realizes what his options are - it probably will be the best he's going to get.

Edited April 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

No one's going to pay him $15m. I'm not sure if that's accurate or a case of someone spitballing what they think it is. But when it comes down to it, he's going to have two options.

 

a.) He takes the best offer he's given. Which is most likely going to be a 1 year prove it deal so he can try and get closer to what he wants next season.

 

b.) He doesn't play Football this season. Which, if he doesn't, he'll probably never play again. Because at his age, coming off the injury he had, and being 2 years removed from the game - his price will go down further, if anyone wants to sign him.

 

I still say offer him 6-7 with incentives to earn more and a voidable year added on to boost his signing bonus or keep him if he proves that worth this season.

 

He's not going to sign for that now, if his asking price is nowhere near that. But when push comes to shove and he realizes what his options are - it probably will be the best he's going to get.

 

I'm not a big fan of OBJ and less so after his 2nd ACL.  If he does come down to a 1-year deal, it will most likely be for more than Beane would pay.

Some team with cash will pay.

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm not a big fan of OBJ and less so after his 2nd ACL.  If he does come down to a 1-year deal, it will most likely be for more than Beane would pay.

Some team with cash will pay.

 

If anyone was coming close to what he's asking, even on a 1 year deal, he'd have signed by now. I'd be shocked if anyone offers him more than what I suggested when push comes to shove.

[mrags]

30 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

If anyone was coming close to what he's asking, even on a 1 year deal, he'd have signed by now. I'd be shocked if anyone offers him more than what I suggested when push comes to shove.

I feel you may be right. Beane and Von have likely reached out and said, take what you can get, but if the offers aren’t there when things are done, our offer is still on the table and this is what it is. Take it or leave it. 
 

I feel like after the draft, things may get tougher for him to find a team he really wants to go to. 

[BillsFanForever19]

9 minutes ago, mrags said:

I feel you may be right. Beane and Von have likely reached out and said, take what you can get, but if the offers aren’t there when things are done, our offer is still on the table and this is what it is. Take it or leave it. 
 

I feel like after the draft, things may get tougher for him to find a team he really wants to go to. 

 

Exactly. I feel everyone's made their offer to him and none are to his liking, which is why he hasn't signed anywhere yet. Eventually when push comes to shove, he'll realize this just is what his market is and take one of them.

 

I'd be surprised if one of those offers isn't ours. But if we take one in Round 1 or 2 (which is a decent possibility) after signing Harty and Sherfield, that offer is probably coming off the table.

Edited April 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[John from Riverside]

For a guy who shredded his knee and didn’t play all of last year
 

Not a chance in hell

[LyndonvilleBill]

Just hears he has an offer from the Ravens.

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Just hears he has an offer from the Ravens.

I read they have a great QB situation.

[boyst]

30 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Just hears he has an offer from the Ravens.

Gonna pay him.

Gonna tag Jackson at a tagged rate. Hell they don't have to franchise tag him either

 

 

Must see tv! 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

Gonna pay him.

Gonna tag Jackson at a tagged rate. Hell they don't have to franchise tag him either

 

 

Must see tv! 

 

?

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

Gonna pay him.

Gonna tag Jackson at a tagged rate. Hell they don't have to franchise tag him either

 

 

Must see tv! 

 

?

 

Ravens already franchise tagged Jackson.

Non-exclusive franchise tag, $32.4M

 

If he gets a deal from another team and the Ravens don't chose to match, that team hasta give the Ravens 2 1st round picks.  Heh.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35776986/nfl-non-exclusive-franchise-tag-biggest-questions-ravens-lamar-jackson

[boyst]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

?

 

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

?

 

Ravens already franchise tagged Jackson.

Non-exclusive franchise tag, $32.4M

 

If he gets a deal from another team and the Ravens don't chose to match, that team hasta give the Ravens 2 1st round picks.  Heh.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35776986/nfl-non-exclusive-franchise-tag-biggest-questions-ravens-lamar-jackson

I missed that detail, thought it was a transition tag to "negotiate" 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

 

I missed that detail, thought it was a transition tag to "negotiate" 

 

Oh, yeah, other teams can negotiate with Lamar all right - with the loss of 2 1st round picks like a pistol held to their heads LOL

[mrags]

2 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Exactly. I feel everyone's made their offer to him and none are to his liking, which is why he hasn't signed anywhere yet. Eventually when push comes to shove, he'll realize this just is what his market is and take one of them.

 

I'd be surprised if one of those offers isn't ours. But if we take one in Round 1 or 2 (which is a decent possibility) after signing Harty and Sherfield, that offer is probably coming off the table.

If we take one in rd 1 or 2 it should come off the table. Our terms should be we’re looking until draft time and if we take one early, we have no room for other WRs taking away from their reps. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Oh, yeah, other teams can negotiate with Lamar all right - with the loss of 2 1st round picks like a pistol held to their heads LOL

I was half expecting Miami to pull this trigger and keep Tua and Jackson as a two headed mutant 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

If we take one in rd 1 or 2 it should come off the table. Our terms should be we’re looking until draft time and if we take one early, we have no room for other WRs taking away from their reps. 

 

Exactly. We should be looking to add 1 more Outside WR. So it's either someone like Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, Zay Flowers, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, or Jalin Hyatt in Round 1 or a veteran FA like OBJ or someone in a trade.

 

After Harty and Sherfield in conjunction with Diggs, Davis, and Shakir - we're not doing more than 1 more.

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Exactly. We should be looking to add 1 more Outside WR. So it's either someone like Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, Zay Flowers, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, or Jalin Hyatt in Round 1 or a veteran FA like OBJ or someone in a trade.

 

After Harty and Sherfield in conjunction with Diggs, Davis, and Shakir - we're not doing more than 1 more.

I personally feel like most of those guys are inside guys. JMO 

[Nitro]

He has proven with this one year $15 million contract that he is not about winning.  Strictly a cash grab and I can not fault him.  He is over estimating his value.  Hard pass on him.  Draft a young WR.  

[BillsFanForever19]

31 minutes ago, mrags said:

I personally feel like most of those guys are inside guys. JMO 

 

Zay Flowers height is a definite concern. But his route running, speed, and game breaking ability could lend itself to the Outside. Smith-Njigba may or may not be able to play on the Outside. Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, and Jalin Hyatt are all Outside guys.

[mrags]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Zay Flowers height is a definite concern. But his route running, speed, and game breaking ability could lend itself to the Outside. Smith-Njigba may or may not be able to play on the Outside. Quentin Johnson, Jordan Addison, and Jalin Hyatt are all Outside guys.

Same worries about Flowers here. SN is the same. I also believe Addison is a little small to be a legitimate outside guy. But I guess he could end up being similar to someone like Diggs. He may end up being really good. I just don’t think he is what we’re looking for. 
 

Q. Johnston is absolutely what I would want out of our #2 to Diggs. But he’s not going to be available. Let me rephrase that, I’d be shocked if he was there at 27. 
 

Hyatt I’m also not a fan of. Too small as well. Personally I believe his team mate Tillman is going to end up being better. 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Same worries about Flowers here. SN is the same. I also believe Addison is a little small to be a legitimate outside guy. But I guess he could end up being similar to someone like Diggs. He may end up being really good. I just don’t think he is what we’re looking for. 
 

Q. Johnston is absolutely what I would want out of our #2 to Diggs. But he’s not going to be available. Let me rephrase that, I’d be shocked if he was there at 27. 
 

Hyatt I’m also not a fan of. Too small as well. Personally I believe his team mate Tillman is going to end up being better. 

 

Addison and Hyatt are both 6'0" - which is the same height as Stefon Diggs. Hyatt runs a 4.4 40 and graded out best overall amongst all WR's at the Combine according to NFL.com's metrics.

 

So while i'd prefer a taller WR, 6' even is fine if you have the experience playing Outside and have above average qualities elsewhere such as speed and route running.

 

Agreed on Johnston though. He is my favorite. Though he has some issues with contested catches. I think he will be gone, but it wouldn't shock me if he fell due to some inconsistent game footage and teams falling for JSN, Flowers, and Hyatt. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[mrags]

22 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Addison and Hyatt are both 6'0" - which is the same height as Stefon Diggs. Hyatt runs a 4.4 40 and graded out best overall amongst all WR's at the Combine according to NFL.com's metrics.

 

So while i'd prefer a taller WR, 6' even is fine if you have the experience playing Outside and have above average qualities elsewhere such as speed and route running.

 

Agreed on Johnston though. He is my favorite. Though he has some issues with contested catches. I think he will be gone, but it wouldn't shock me if he fell due to some inconsistent game footage and teams falling for JSN, Flowers, and Hyatt. 

6ft is fine but Addison is listed at 175 and Hyatt at 180. Even as small as Diggs is as a #1 he still weighs in at 191 according to nfl sites. 
 

imo 175 and 180 are way too light for what we’re looking for in an outside WR. We already have someone like Diggs. We need someone more bigger and more physical to compliment Diggs. 
 

Hyatt is fast but I’m not seeing anything on tape that intrigues me. Also doesn’t look like he has a full route tree. We already have one of those in Davis. Hard pass. 
 

like I said, I’d prefer Johnston but he won’t be there. I’d he is and we don’t sprint to the podium I’d be severely disappointed. But I’m preparing for that because I think this FO and coaching staff are lost when it comes to drafting WRs or anyone on offense for that matter. Yeah, yeah, I know, Allen. 
 

I like Tillman in about rd3. Possibly AT Perry or Palmer in rd 3-4. 

[Yantha]

OBJ's market value now (after silence in the league)

 

GO!

 

 

I'm not sure of the number but it should be very little guaranteed, and performance based.....

[Dr. Who]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

Same worries about Flowers here. SN is the same. I also believe Addison is a little small to be a legitimate outside guy. But I guess he could end up being similar to someone like Diggs. He may end up being really good. I just don’t think he is what we’re looking for. 
 

Q. Johnston is absolutely what I would want out of our #2 to Diggs. But he’s not going to be available. Let me rephrase that, I’d be shocked if he was there at 27. 
 

Hyatt I’m also not a fan of. Too small as well. Personally I believe his team mate Tillman is going to end up being better. 

This is what @GunnerBill said the other day: "The concerns on Johnston are not raw production. They are about his skill set. Hands, route running and not playing to his size." For these reasons, Johnston may drop, don't know if it would be all the way to 27. Not sure how many of those concerns can be coached up, but he certainly has the talent to be a dynamic receiver. I had not been considering him because I assumed he was not a possibility.

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Addison and Hyatt are both 6'0" - which is the same height as Stefon Diggs. Hyatt runs a 4.4 40 and graded out best overall amongst all WR's at the Combine according to NFL.com's metrics.

 

So while i'd prefer a taller WR, 6' even is fine if you have the experience playing Outside and have above average qualities elsewhere such as speed and route running.

 

Agreed on Johnston though. He is my favorite. Though he has some issues with contested catches. I think he will be gone, but it wouldn't shock me if he fell due to some inconsistent game footage and teams falling for JSN, Flowers, and Hyatt. 

 

He has some issues with hands catches, contested or otherwise. I've never seen someone that size play so consistently below the rim. This is my thing on his size.... the only time he actually uses his size as an asset is with the ball in his hands when he is a tough tackle for any DB. It is true that it is a technical point and can be coached up and the raw ingredients are there. But those are the things teams have to get comfortable with. They talk about smaller receivers needing to "play bigger", Johnston needs to "play bigger too" because he is 6'3 playing 5'11.