Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I’m sorry, but Tua freaking blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 I don’t understand some players. What’s Tyreek’s angle here? He can pump up Tua without throwing shade at Mahomes. Just doesn’t make sense. I’m not around these guys, obviously, and we know how crazy their egos are, but Tyreek doesn’t seem like a very good person in general. He’s lucky he was blessed with that talent for catching a ball and running fast. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, there should be some sort of rule about NFL players making stupid comments. Good thing it's pretty rare. There's no rule. Just saying it was a stupid comment that didn't need to be chirped. What's so hard to figure out about that and why defend a guy who just 3 years ago you were calling a scum bag? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 He is just pumping up Tua now that he is a Dolphin. Anyone with a brain knows Mahomes is way better. When you look at the QB's in the AFCE it goes like this. Allen, Moe, Larry, Curly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Doc said: There's no rule. Just saying it was a stupid comment that didn't need to be chirped. What's so hard to figure out about that and why defend a guy who just 3 years ago you were calling a scum bag? lol who am i "defending"? He is a scumbag. But it should be obvious he's trying to buck up his (new) boy Tua--and take a shot at the Andy Reid machine (a haven for scumbags). This isn't really that hard to understand doc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, there should be some sort of rule about NFL players making stupid comments. Good thing it's pretty rare. Also: see above 3 other Tua threads in 6 months…..say it ain’t so. Bills fans are the devil!! that doesn’t answer my question. Why do you care that there are anti Tua threads on a bills message board? I believe that you’re a Bills fan…..but really only here to combat bills fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 He's smoking that good weed down there. Weed is way too strong these days. Need to get back the mid grade stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 "I was gonna stay with KC, but then I got high....ooo wee ooo....I was gonna catch 15 TD but then I got high..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: lol who am i "defending"? He is a scumbag. But it should be obvious he's trying to buck up his (new) boy Tua--and take a shot at the Andy Reid machine (a haven for scumbags). This isn't really that hard to understand doc. You can fluff your QB without resorting to making stupid statements. That's not hard to understand. You were harder on Webb and his comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) What else is he going to say? even Tua knows he's full of crap. Edited June 13, 2022 by Homey D. Clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 if Tua is so wonderful why did the fish go after Watson...and Brady this off season??? It OTA's Hill let see what happens when its actually time to play ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 1:40 PM, whorlnut said: Is Hill wrong? I don’t know that he is. Tua’s greatest strength is his ball placement. He’s a very accurate qb. He doesn’t have a strong arm like Mahomes and that’s what will ultimately hold him back. Look at Chad Pennington. Noodle arm, but accurate as heck. I think Tua is very similar. I have not seen Tua attempt many contested throws. Whenever I watch the Phins, they are usually down multiple scores and he still refuses to push the ball downfield. Occasionally he hit Davante Parker down the sideline in tight coverage but thats still a safe throw. He looks like a guy playing not to lose. WRs aren't 5 steps open in the NFL. If defenses don't respect you as a deep threat they will sit on everything short and when they do, all the accuracy and quick reads won't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 He seems to be kind of oblivious to how this comes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 https://fansided.com/2022/06/12/tyreek-hill-regrets-trade-chiefs/ M Quote “The problems, from Hill’s perspective, arose during the 2021 season. Hill started regularly texting [Drew] Rosenhaus about Hill’s frustrations, beginning after Hill went from having 11 catches for 197 yards in the season-opening win over the Browns to getting only three catches for 14 yards in a 36-35 loss to the Ravens, on just four targets.” Miami will have him feeling good when his utilization is back up to 13 targets, 11 catches, for 14 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, NewEra said: 3 other Tua threads in 6 months…..say it ain’t so. Bills fans are the devil!! that doesn’t answer my question. Why do you care that there are anti Tua threads on a bills message board? I believe that you’re a Bills fan…..but really only here to combat bills fans. I don't care how many there are. I was clearly responding to incorrect information in doc's post. Before that I was documenting the irony in his whistling past the graveyard comment on a topic where there are multiple threads convincing us all that, fear not, Tua just sucks. That's not combat.... 1 hour ago, Doc said: You can fluff your QB without resorting to making stupid statements. That's not hard to understand. You were harder on Webb and his comments. He said Tua was more accurate. If you use completion % he's not wrong. did I call Webb a scumbag? I don't recall.... 58 minutes ago, gordong said: if Tua is so wonderful why did the fish go after Watson...and Brady this off season??? It OTA's Hill let see what happens when its actually time to play ball. Excellent question! who would want Brady at this point?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I don't care how many there are. I was clearly responding to incorrect information in doc's post. Before that I was documenting the irony in his whistling past the graveyard comment on a topic where there are multiple threads convincing us all that, fear not, Tua just sucks. That's not combat.... He said Tua was more accurate. If you use completion % he's not wrong. did I call Webb a scumbag? I don't recall.... Excellent question! who would want Brady at this point?? I fail to see where you proved that his information to be incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They play the teams on their schedule. No one was expecting too much from the Fins under Tua last year. They won 7 of 8 down that stretch. The Bills, a legit SB contender, lost to a a team with no pulse (Jags), and scored 1 TD against NE, at home, in another loss. Hill is propping up his new QB in public--and Tua needs some propping up in public. So what? Like I said Hill took it too far. No need to write checks for TUA that he cant cash. As far as won 7/8 all I am saying is if you are going to mention they won 7/8 to imply that they were good then just provide the proper context. Regarding New England it took a wind storm to hold the Bills to a TD. It is what it is though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Juice_32 said: I’m sorry, but Tua freaking blows. First We have to wait and make sure that Tua doesn’t take that Josh Allen LEAP /YEAR 3 before making these statements !!!! ( 🤣) cuz that’s what everyone is expecting in Miami !!!! Edited June 13, 2022 by Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Putin said: First We have to wait and make sure that Tua doesn’t take that Josh Allen LEAP /YEAR 3 before making these statements !!!! ( 🤣) cuz that’s what everyone is expecting in Miami !!!! Because Tua has some correctable mechanical flaw that is holding him back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Putin said: First We have to wait and make sure that Tua doesn’t take that Josh Allen LEAP /YEAR 3 before making these statements !!!! ( 🤣) cuz that’s what everyone is expecting in Miami !!!! So is the next phase from Josh is going to regress after his big year 3, to all these rookie QBs are going to suddenly have break out years because Josh Allen did after 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Putin said: First We have to wait and make sure that Tua doesn’t take that Josh Allen LEAP /YEAR 3 before making these statements !!!! ( 🤣) cuz that’s what everyone is expecting in Miami !!!! Allen was making those "holy shyt athletic plays" in years 1 & 2 though. I haven't seen those from Tua. Not even close. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Tua is a very accurate QB. He was also the best RPO passer in the league last year. This is what he always was in college. The Fins are building the scheme around this. It requires an accurate QB and fast receivers going over the middle--which is one reason they went hard at Hill. Tua is what he is--and the Fins are going to roll with that. They won 6 in a row with him in the second half of the season and 7 of the last 8. Bills finished 5-3. He had 3 games with 80+% completions. Only 4 QBs have had back to back 80%. May not be an easy out for the Bills this season. Bills will continue to destroy the Dolphins until proven otherwise. I’m taking a “wait & see” approach w/ them. A few splashy FA signings isn’t going to change my mind. They haven’t even closed the gap w/ the Patriots let alone Buffalo. Maybe we don’t win by double digits, but we certainly will beat them both times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 11:40 AM, whorlnut said: Is Hill wrong? I don’t know that he is. Tua’s greatest strength is his ball placement. He’s a very accurate qb. He doesn’t have a strong arm like Mahomes and that’s what will ultimately hold him back. Look at Chad Pennington. Noodle arm, but accurate as heck. I think Tua is very similar. Tua has a better arm than some want to believe but he's a very precision accurate passer especially in the short/intermediate game which is why he completes a high rate of passes. In fact the more I think about it he reminds me a lot of Drew Brees in his early Chargers years (who ironically the Dolphins also tried to trade for years ago) in which there were questions about his arm strength and long time viability and why they ultimately moved on from him and drafted Rivers. Brees is a HOFer who has a SB ring and in the top 10 all time of just about every major NFL passing record so if Tua follows a similar path he'll be just fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Allen was making those "holy shyt athletic plays" in years 1 & 2 though. I haven't seen those from Tua. Not even close. Exactly. Allen had the IT factor from the very beginning. The people who just looked at his stats didn’t realize it, but the ones who actually watched the games saw that he was on his way to becoming a force in this league. I don’t see anything special that separates Tua besides decent accuracy. They must be kicking themselves for not drafting Herbert the same way they did when they chose Culpepper over Brees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Bills will continue to destroy the Dolphins until proven otherwise. I’m taking a “wait & see” approach w/ them. A few splashy FA signings isn’t going to change my mind. They haven’t even closed the gap w/ the Patriots let alone Buffalo. Maybe we don’t win by double digits, but we certainly will beat them both times. Miami beat NE 2 games to none last season. 1 more loss doesn’t necessarily mean that that there is any gap between the teams. Miami then went out and had what looks to be a great offseason, while NE lost 2 of their best players and had a questionable draft. I’d rate Miami ahead of NE atm. Belichick being the only advantage atm and that could change too. Mac and Tua are pretty even at this point imo, with Miami having a huge advantage in the playmaker department. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Bills will continue to destroy the Dolphins until proven otherwise. I’m taking a “wait & see” approach w/ them. A few splashy FA signings isn’t going to change my mind. They haven’t even closed the gap w/ the Patriots let alone Buffalo. Maybe we don’t win by double digits, but we certainly will beat them both times. I'll be very surprised and impressed if we sweep the Dolphins yet again this year. Not saying they will be the better team if they spilt the series or somehow sweep the Bills but we all know Hill has been a big problem for this defense even with a healthy Tre White and that's not going to magically change just because Tua isn't wearing a Mahomes jersey. He just needs to prove he can get him the ball. Where I do think they may turn the corner is on defense and they showed glimpses of that in the 2nd matchup last year. And considering we play them early in the season again this year with our oline that may take time to gel with new faces/blocking scheme that's where I see the Bills most vulnerable in that week 3 matchup down there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: He seems to be kind of oblivious to how this comes off. I wonder if he took time off when his kid was getting his mysterious broken arm fixed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Tua has a better arm than some want to believe but he's a very precision accurate passer especially in the short/intermediate game which is why he completes a high rate of passes. In fact the more I think about it he reminds me a lot of Drew Brees in his early Chargers years (who ironically the Dolphins also tried to trade for years ago) in which there were questions about his arm strength and long time viability and why they ultimately moved on from him and drafted Rivers. Brees is a HOFer who has a SB ring and in the top 10 all time of just about every major NFL passing record so if Tua follows a similar path he'll be just fine. If Tua just turns into a HOFer, he should be ok. Big if there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 1:08 PM, Warcodered said: Speaking of delusional this is apparently a thing with Dolphins fans this year. It is delusional. Tindall will be lucky to even see the field this year. Reminds me a lot of a small version of Tremaine Edmunds....very quick but prone to be out o place and misdiagnose plays. Just wait to see Belichek scheme up against Tindall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Doc said: Because Tua has some correctable mechanical flaw that is holding him back... Maybe he’s actually right handed? That would be a mechanical flaw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: I'll be very surprised and impressed if we sweep the Dolphins yet again this year. Not saying they will be the better team if they spilt the series or somehow sweep the Bills but we all know Hill has been a big problem for this defense even with a healthy Tre White and that's not going to magically change just because Tua isn't wearing a Mahomes jersey. He just needs to prove he can get him the ball. Where I do think they may turn the corner is on defense and they showed glimpses of that in the 2nd matchup last year. And considering we play them early in the season again this year with our oline that may take time to gel with new faces/blocking scheme that's where I see the Bills most vulnerable in that week 3 matchup down there. I won't. First time HC and at a very young age no less? It sounds like he'll have his hands full with Hill alone. And I'm wondering what the 49'ers did last year that was so amazing (besides keeping Jimmy G healthy for 15 games) with McDaniel at OC? They scored almost 4 PPG fewer in games that Jimmy G started than in 2019, when Jimmy G played 16 games. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Doc said: I won't. First time HC and at a very young age no less? It sounds like he'll have his hands full with Hill alone. And I'm wondering what the 49'ers did last year that was so amazing (besides keeping Jimmy G healthy for 15 games) with McDaniel at OC? They scored almost 4 PPG fewer in games that Jimmy G started than in 2019, when Jimmy G played 16 games. Other than get back to the NFCC game again, with Jimmy G? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Other than get back to the NFCC game again, with Jimmy G? Yeah, thanks to the defense. But they lost the game. Jimmy G's stats were 535 yards at 58% and 2 TDs and 3 INTs in 3 games in the playoffs and again, they scored almost 4 fewer PPG during the season than 2019. Maybe he somehow managed to make Jimmy G stay healthy? Other than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah, thanks to the defense. But they lost the game. Jimmy G's stats were 535 yards at 58% and 2 TDs and 3 INTs in 3 games in the playoffs and again, they scored almost 4 fewer PPG during the season than 2019. Maybe he somehow managed to make Jimmy G stay healthy? Other than that... They beat Aaron Rodgers GB twice in those playoffs. You asked what the guy did. Jimmy G is 31-14 (69%) in SF. He's 5-2 in the playoffs. His team was beaten in the SB by KC (hello!!) and by the SB winning Rams last year in the NFCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 21 hours ago, Doc said: I won't. First time HC and at a very young age no less? It sounds like he'll have his hands full with Hill alone. And I'm wondering what the 49'ers did last year that was so amazing (besides keeping Jimmy G healthy for 15 games) with McDaniel at OC? They scored almost 4 PPG fewer in games that Jimmy G started than in 2019, when Jimmy G played 16 games. I agree with this but the biggest factor is it being a division opponent and how truly hard it is to win against the same team you play twice a year over and over. That's why it was so depressing how the Pats seemed to always sweep the Bills when both the Jets and Dolphins we able to beat them somewhat regularly during the Brady years. This is why getting 4 or more wins in division play this year will be truly be impressive given how every team has markedly improved on the paper with possibly the exception of the Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: They beat Aaron Rodgers GB twice in those playoffs. You asked what the guy did. Jimmy G is 31-14 (69%) in SF. He's 5-2 in the playoffs. His team was beaten in the SB by KC (hello!!) and by the SB winning Rams last year in the NFCC. It was Shanahan's system from 2019. Again what did he specifically do? He was OC for one year and a guy like Bienemy is running Reid's system for 4 seasons and no HC'ing offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 52 minutes ago, Doc said: It was Shanahan's system from 2019. Again what did he specifically do? He was OC for one year and a guy like Bienemy is running Reid's system for 4 seasons and no HC'ing offers. he kept that Jimmy G Train rollin, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: he kept that Jimmy G Train rollin, obviously. Obviously not an answer. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 The Dolphins cheerleading in this thread is sickening and without merit in my opinion. Tua has proved nothing and is highly unlikely to take some magical big leap. He is far more likely to be at or near his ceiling. His accuracy is overrated given the limited route tree he has run successfully. He is not impressive at all as a leader, and has not shown the ability to think the game successfully at all. He has shown himself to be fragile and relatively easy to defend given his limitations. Tyreek Hill is not going to fix Tua's shortcomings. McDaniels may cover them up for a while. Speaking of McDaniels, I fail to see the merit of the hype. He is young and obviously unproven as a HC. His system is Shanahan's, and the WCO at its base is hardly ground breaking in its innovation in this day and age. He will have his hands full trying to shape that bunch into an effective, consistent, winning team. Nothing in his background suggests he is up to that task. Maybe he is. We will see. All that said, if the stars align and the Dolphins are suddenly twice as good this year, they are still not on the Bills level and would be lucky to win a game against them. I do not expect that. They are mediocre to me unless and until they prove otherwise. They have proven nothing yet obviously. I do think they are the second best team in the AFCE though, borderline wild card team even if Doogie Howser, Head Coach actually proves to be somewhat competent. So the Dolfans in Bills clothing gushing over the scary fish can flame away but I am going on record as being in total disbelief that the Dolphins are a legitimate threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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