Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Every investigation says no force. The stories are the same, he exposes himself to the women. 

 

He made unwanted contact with these women and his genitalia.  And then this happened:

 

"Watson then stood up and continued ***** more aggressively,” the suit alleges. “As he did so, Watson asked the Plaintiff, ‘Where do you want me to put it?’ Plaintiff by this point was in complete shock and could not speak. She froze. Watson quickly *****; some of his ***** got on Plaintiff’s chest and face.”

 

Is that what you would call just "incidental contact"?  If that was your daughter or your mom, would you say "what's the big deal?  he didn't force anything?"

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He made unwanted contact with these women and his genitalia.  And then this happened:

 

"Watson then stood up and continued ***** more aggressively,” the suit alleges. “As he did so, Watson asked the Plaintiff, ‘Where do you want me to put it?’ Plaintiff by this point was in complete shock and could not speak. She froze. Watson quickly *****; some of his ***** got on Plaintiff’s chest and face.”

 

Is that what you would call just "incidental contact"?  If that was your daughter or your mom, would you say "what's the big deal?  he didn't force anything?"

 

That’s what we read. They must be telling the NFL something else.

[Patrick Duffy]

59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He made unwanted contact with these women and his genitalia.  And then this happened:

 

"Watson then stood up and continued ***** more aggressively,” the suit alleges. “As he did so, Watson asked the Plaintiff, ‘Where do you want me to put it?’ Plaintiff by this point was in complete shock and could not speak. She froze. Watson quickly *****; some of his ***** got on Plaintiff’s chest and face.”

 

Is that what you would call just "incidental contact"?  If that was your daughter or your mom, would you say "what's the big deal?  he didn't force anything?"

 

 

I just don't know why it continued after the 1st unwanted contact. Instead it kept going all the way to the point to get on her chest and face. Seems like she would have done something when it first started. 

 

But I wasn't there so I don't know obviously

[BarleyNY]

 

 

 

 

Some more twists and turns.

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He made unwanted contact with these women and his genitalia.  And then this happened:

 

"Watson then stood up and continued ***** more aggressively,” the suit alleges. “As he did so, Watson asked the Plaintiff, ‘Where do you want me to put it?’ Plaintiff by this point was in complete shock and could not speak. She froze. Watson quickly *****; some of his ***** got on Plaintiff’s chest and face.”

 

Is that what you would call just "incidental contact"?  If that was your daughter or your mom, would you say "what's the big deal?  he didn't force anything?"

 

 

That's sexual assault from my perspective. No ambiguity. 

 

Coincidentally, Antonio Brown was accused of basically the same exact thing, and unsurprisingly, did not receive much in the way of NFL punishment for that (as far as I know). 

[Dafan]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

 

 

 

Some more twists and turns.

I'm sorry, but are you a parent???  You act strong around your children...no matter what!!!  *****, I may be dieing...I don't know yet as I wait for more tests.   But I ***** put on a smile and say everything is fine.

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, Dafan said:

I'm sorry, but are you a parent???  You act strong around your children...no matter what!!!  *****, I may be dieing...I don't know yet as I wait for more tests.   But I ***** put on a smile and say everything is fine.

Why even bring it up at all to your son then?

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, Dafan said:

I'm sorry, but are you a parent???  You act strong around your children...no matter what!!!  *****, I may be dieing...I don't know yet as I wait for more tests.   But I ***** put on a smile and say everything is fine.

Yeah, I am a parent.  And one thing I’d never do is tell one of my children I’d make it worth their while to lie for me.

[Mr. WEO]

15 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The NFL investigation found no evidence of force or coercion.

 

At some point we have to ask ourselves if maybe the stories in the press are 100% truth? He obviously did something, but rape likely didn’t happen. 

 

 

So what?  Read the allegation I quoted.  It didn't require force or coercion.  Would you let him do that to your hard working mom? Or would you tell her to STFU and take the guys money for the session?

[YoloinOhio]

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It has been reported that twelve alleged victims spoke to the NFL,” Buzbee said in an email sent to PFT. “I have confirmed that ten of those women were my clients. None of my clients had a son questioned by the NFL. As I’ve said, there were several women who called my office wanting to sue Watson that I decided, based on my trial experience, not to represent. I know that at least one of those women, who I declined to represent, spoke to the NFL and also gave a statement to the police. I can only assume it was that woman who is the subject of the leak tweeted about by Ms. Anderson.”

It’s still unclear why the NFL didn’t speak to all of Buzbee’s clients, or how the NFL decided to whittle the 12 cases they investigated down to five that were presented at last week’s hearing. For now, the big takeaway is this — to the extent that some regarded Thursday’s report as the first tangible proof that the claims made by Buzbee’s clients are falling apart, the claim that was the subject of Thursday’s report wasn’t made by anyone he has agreed to represent. Indeed, it appears that Buzbee, after vetting her claims, decided not to proceed on her behalf.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/08/tony-buzbee-deshaun-watson-accuser-whose-son-undermined-her-claims-isnt-one-of-my-clients/

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/08/tony-buzbee-deshaun-watson-accuser-whose-son-undermined-her-claims-isnt-one-of-my-clients/

 

There have been a lot of recent attempts by Watson's camp to float stories that discredit the allegations. It's blatant and gross, especially for the journalists that unquestioningly feed it to the public.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

So what?  Read the allegation I quoted.  It didn't require force or coercion.  Would you let him do that to your hard working mom? Or would you tell her to STFU and take the guys money for the session?

 

One of the girls said Watson forced her to perform oral sex in an article. Yet the NFL and grand jury found that there was nothing forced.

 

The system is failing all these women if they’re telling investigators these things and they do nothing about it.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

One of the girls said Watson forced her to perform oral sex in an article. Yet the NFL and grand jury found that there was nothing forced.

 

The system is failing all these women if they’re telling investigators these things and they do nothing about it.

 

why don't you just answer my question?  I've asked it twice.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

why don't you just answer my question?  I've asked it twice.

Answer if I would let him do that to my mom? What kind of question is that? Of course not. 
 

I don’t understand how the NFL a could come away thinking there was no force, coercion, or threat when one of the women accused Watson of forcing oral sex. Did she not want to talk to the NFL? Maybe she settled and signed a NDA? Also didn’t Solis say she felt threatened?
 

It’s made me question all the allegations.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Why even bring it up at all to your son then?

I can think of two trillion and twelve possibilities.  Here’s one:

 

She mentioned it beforehand because she knew her son was a football fan and then her son asked about how it went and she put on a brave face.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

I can think of two trillion and twelve possibilities.  Here’s one:

 

She mentioned it beforehand because she knew her son was a football fan and then her son asked about how it went and she put on a brave face.  

I think it’s common for some women to not even realize they were sexually assaulted until they hear about other stories.

 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/08/tony-buzbee-deshaun-watson-accuser-whose-son-undermined-her-claims-isnt-one-of-my-clients/

And yet another twist.  Interesting.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

One of the girls said Watson forced her to perform oral sex in an article. Yet the NFL and grand jury found that there was nothing forced.

 

That report has been misinterpreted. First of all we're talking about the legal definition of force/coercion which is not the same as the layman definition. Secondly the report stated that the NFL didn't provide evidence of force/coercion, not that the NFL found force/coercion didn't occur. That's a really important distinction that most media outlets are not reporting correctly. The only evidence of force/coercion in the legal sense is the individual testimony of some of the women, and a he/she said testimony is not real evidence. The NFL obviously presented their case that Deshaun Watson took advantage of these women and presented some evidence of that. The force/coercion report is, I think, a red herring put out there by Watson's camp or the NFLPA to garner public sympathy for Watson's cause. The media in general does a poor job of reporting legal matters with the nuance that they deserve.

[YoloinOhio]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

That report has been misinterpreted. First of all we're talking about the legal definition of force/coercion which is not the same as the layman definition. Secondly the report stated that the NFL didn't provide evidence of force/coercion, not that the NFL found force/coercion didn't occur. That's a really important distinction that most media outlets are not reporting correctly. The only evidence of force/coercion in the legal sense is the individual testimony of some of the women, and a he/she said testimony is not real evidence. The NFL obviously presented their case that Deshaun Watson took advantage of these women and presented some evidence of that. The force/coercion report is, I think, a red herring put out there by Watson's camp or the NFLPA to garner public sympathy for Watson's cause. The media in general does a poor job of reporting legal matters with the nuance that they deserve.

The other piece to it is evidence of force/coercion is not needed to prove violation of the nfl’s personal conduct policy. It may have been needed to get an indictment, but this is far different 

[Rigotz]

22 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Forced? I don’t think anyone has said Watson raped anyone. I believe Watson’s case is more  along the lines of indecent exposure.
 

Both incidents deserved punishment by the NFL. Only problem is there’s literally no evidence for the NFL to review in the Kraft case. So unless one of the women come out and say Kraft paid them for sex then there really isn’t anything the NFL could do. But it doesn’t look good for the NFL and they know it.

 

Its not about them deserving equal punishment. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/17/deshaun-watson-admits-massage-therapist-cried-after-session-per-report

 

Forced.

[cle23]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/05/17/deshaun-watson-admits-massage-therapist-cried-after-session-per-report

 

Forced.

 

I am not defending Watson here as I have no idea what happened or didn't happen, but nothing in that article says forced.  Again, all of these allegations are he said/ she said.  When you have 24+, obviously that lends itself to say that SOMETHING happened, but the details of the allegations are hard to confirm.  But saying she was teary eyed doesn't mean she was forced.  She may have been.  That's up to the investigators/police to determine.

[aristocrat]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

How could a reporter have any clue what the independent judge is thinking, just one day after the final briefs were submitted by both sides?

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

How could a reporter have any clue what the independent judge is thinking, just one day after the final briefs were submitted by both sides?

Perhaps an educated guess by someone involved in the case. 

[Logic]

On 7/8/2022 at 3:11 PM, cle23 said:

 

I am not defending Watson here as I have no idea what happened or didn't happen, but nothing in that article says forced.  Again, all of these allegations are he said/ she said.  When you have 24+, obviously that lends itself to say that SOMETHING happened, but the details of the allegations are hard to confirm.  But saying she was teary eyed doesn't mean she was forced.  She may have been.  That's up to the investigators/police to determine.

From the Akron Beacon Journal:

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/06/22/ashley-solis-lawsuit-against-deshaun-watson-alleging-sexual-misconduct-massage-unleashed-flood/9906153002/
 

Watson told her he did not want her to use her knuckles or elbows during the massage, like most masseuses do to apply pressure. Instead, he wanted her to use only her hands and to concentrate on his groin area, the suit said.

About 25 minutes into the massage, Solis began to feel “extremely uncomfortable” because of things Watson was saying or doing, though the lawsuit doesn't specify what those things were.

“It became apparent that Watson wanted a massage for only one reason — sex,” the lawsuit said.

Solis was scared and a “bit confused,” the suit said. She wanted Watson to leave, but feared both for her safety and for her business.

As she contemplated how to extricate herself from the situation, the suit said Watson “continued to aggressively attempt to steer the conversation to how (she) was not rubbing him the way he wanted” and several times directed her to his penis.

Watson then exposed the tip of his erect penis, the suit said, and began moving his hips back and forth, “purposely” touching her hand with his penis. 

Solis was “shocked and mortified.” She abruptly ended the massage, asked Watson to leave and started to cry.

Watson, the suit said, told her: “I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don’t want anyone messing with mine.”  

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You can play semantics if you want, but that sure sounds like he was attempting to force her to do something that she didn't want to do. At the very least, it sounds like the classic definition of sexual assault. 

[TBBills]

Want to be a rapist or a woman beater and still make money while doing it? Just be an NFL player.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Want to be a rapist or a woman beater and still make money while doing it? Just be an NFL player.

 

 

Don't bet that parlay tho.....

[Rigby]

If that 4-6 games actually turns out to be the truth, then it is a downright travesty and pathetic. But this is the NFL we are talking about.

 

Should be at least a full season.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Rigby

[BillsfaninSB]

I did not think it would be the whole season but 4 to 6 is ridiculous.

 

I think it will be 8 to 10. 

[NoSaint]

43 minutes ago, Rigby said:

If that 4-6 games actually turns out to be the truth, then it is a downright travesty and pathetic. But this is the NFL we are talking about.

 

Should be at least a full season.

I mean, that would be 21-23 games missed. It would be among the longest non-prison stretches off the field in league history. 

[RiotAct]

so he’ll be back in time for the game @Buffalo Week 11!!!

[NoSaint]

48 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Want to be a rapist or a woman beater and still make money while doing it? Just be an NFL player.

I mean, if not in prison I’d rather most be on the football field instead of a myriad of other career paths. 
 

they should get the full weight of the legal system when they mess up but I don’t prefer they work in an office building, school or darn near anywhere besides getting clubbed in the head by other grown men. 
 

the money sure does make it a messier moral discussion but it’s a great spot for many to actually be placed on a “job duties and interaction with coworkers” consideration  

[thenorthremembers]

36 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, that would be 21-23 games missed. It would be among the longest non-prison stretches off the field in league history. 

Wasn't last year self imposed because he refused to play for Houston?

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wasn't last year self imposed because he refused to play for Houston?

I believe the Texans didn't want him to play because of all the legal issues that were attacking up against him though it could have been both. 

 

Quote

The Texans do not plan to play Watson at all this season, but sources around the league believe that Houston general manager Nick Caserio will not trade the three-time Pro Bowler for anything less than the six combined players and picks

 

 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wasn't last year self imposed because he refused to play for Houston?

 

Yeah, it seems he has yet to be punished a single game by the league. Zip! Nada! He got paid not to play in the tire fire that is Houston at this point in time. He missed games only because he and the Texans agreed to do it that way. 

 

The league punishment is still to come, and I’m afraid it won’t be enough. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I wonder what is hurting the NFL’s case is that they don’t have access to the victims to testify in the disciplinary hearing. 

[YoloinOhio]

36 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I believe the Texans didn't want him to play because of all the legal issues that were attacking up against him though it could have been both. 

 

 

 

Watson demanded a trade and the report was that he wouldn’t play for the Texans again. He was mad at the owner for not letting him have a say in the hiring of the coach and GM after supposedly promising this. He felt the team was going in the wrong direction. The legal stuff came after, and both issues led to him never being active. Had he not refused to play, the Texans may have played him throughout the legal stuff unless Roger stepped in, but we will never know. 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

Wasn't last year self imposed because he refused to play for Houston?

Counter: if it was a unilateral hold out he wouldn’t have been paid or accrued a season. 

they came to a mutual agreement. 
 

sitting out a full year in your prime, even if paid, is a consequence he’s experienced, however you quantify that 

 

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Watson demanded a trade and the report was that he wouldn’t play for the Texans again. He was mad at the owner for not letting him have a say in the hiring of the coach and GM after supposedly promising this. He felt the team was going in the wrong direction. The legal stuff came after, and both issues led to him never being active. Had he not refused to play, the Texans may have played him throughout the legal stuff unless Roger stepped in, but we will never know. 

If the texans wanted him on the field they could have fined him the whole way for not doing so though.