YoloinOhio Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, wjag said: buh bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytownblofan Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 You have to imagine the ruling is going to take place soon. NFL would likely want the ruling and any appeals to be taken care of prior to training camp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, ytownblofan said: You have to imagine the ruling is going to take place soon. NFL would likely want the ruling and any appeals to be taken care of prior to training camp I heard July (before TC) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 This is gonna be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 If Watson is forced to sit out another full season, I’m going to go ahead and say his career is essentially over, and the Browns might have made the worst trade in NFL history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, mannc said: If Watson is forced to sit out another full season, I’m going to go ahead and say his career is essentially over, and the Browns might have made the worst trade in NFL history. I don't know about career over, I think he will play again and probably be serviceable. But to miss two years and go back to playing at his previous level? That feels like a stretch, Vick did it but different type of player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't know about career over, I think he will play again and probably be serviceable. But to miss two years and go back to playing at his previous level? That feels like a stretch, Vick did it but different type of player. Yeah, I don't think his career is over by any stretch, even if he's suspended for two seasons. He's still young and QBs play into their 40s these days. And I don't think he'll just forget how to play football. But yes, I'd expect there to be a bunch of rust while he gets up to speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) The only way I do think it could be over is if the Browns lose their nerve and cut him (financial penalty probably means they can't do that because it would accelerate the dead money hit...) But if they did then while there were 4 teams in the final running for Watson this time (and the Colts would like to have made that 5 but Houston made clear no trade in division) I think the other interested parties will have looked at how things have gone since and said "no way." It has to work in Cleveland now I think. Or else he is done. Edited June 17, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 No matter how long he gets suspended, Cleveland will retain his rights and bring him back as soon as it’s possible to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said: This is gonna be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 The NFL will protect the Browns. It's all about $$$ NOT the victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Yeah, I don't think his career is over by any stretch, even if he's suspended for two seasons. He's still young and QBs play into their 40s these days. And I don't think he'll just forget how to play football. But yes, I'd expect there to be a bunch of rust while he gets up to speed. Oh, I think he’ll play again, but I don’t think he’ll ever be close to what he was. I think he’ll be mentally and emotionally shot… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, mannc said: Oh, I think he’ll play again, but I don’t think he’ll ever be close to what he was. I think he’ll be mentally and emotionally shot… Agree. Add to that the draft picks lost, his $55M cap hits and the whole distasteful situation I wonder how that will affect the Browns upcoming free agencies. Could players leave or potential signings from other teams shy away from joining the organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Yeah, I don't think his career is over by any stretch, even if he's suspended for two seasons. He's still young and QBs play into their 40s these days. And I don't think he'll just forget how to play football. But yes, I'd expect there to be a bunch of rust while he gets up to speed. In this case that would be three years without a football “hit” taken. That doesn’t just come back. My best guess would be he’s 80% the player he was at best. So better than average. There would be more value in drafting a prospect. I hope he loses everything in payment to settle all of this, the Browns sell out, and this sets a new standard for acceptable behaviour. He’s scum 💯 and nobody can truthfully say otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: In this case that would be three years without a football “hit” taken. That doesn’t just come back. My best guess would be he’s 80% the player he was at best. So better than average. There would be more value in drafting a prospect. I hope he loses everything in payment to settle all of this, the Browns sell out, and this sets a new standard for acceptable behaviour. He’s scum 💯 and nobody can truthfully say otherwise. Browns have a 1st round pick in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Browns have a 1st round pick in 2025. Yes and they will need to hope they find a second/third rounder or another trade to rebuild after this. Anyone with a brain knew if there are 23 people of which several others had dropped out there is 26 or 30 or 40 that could come forward. He’s trash and that’s so apparent I can’t imagine the rationale behind this deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 10 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I agree with all of that except the single allegations part. I’m not sure about Jones, but Kraft made multiple visits to that massage parlor and there were a multitude of women making allegations against Snyder. Those might’ve gotten rolled up into a single charge or class action suit, but there was more than one event and woman involved in both. no one pressed charges or sued Kraft. He was arrested in a sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 I think one (1) year is light. Not a hammer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, CNYfan said: I think one (1) year is light. Not a hammer You suspend one player indefinitely for making a $1500 bet but are ok with someone sexually assaulting 24, and counting, women. Glad the nfl has a hard line on gambling when it comes to players. That's about all they have a line on. Edited June 18, 2022 by The Wiz 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The Wiz said: You suspend one player indefinitely for making a $1500 bet but are ok with someone sexually assaulting 24, and counting, women. Glad the nfl has a hard line on gambling when it comes to players. That's about all they have a line on. Isn't it 26 now? also that's just the ones that have sued. Edited June 18, 2022 by Warcodered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, CNYfan said: I think one (1) year is light. Not a hammer Trevor Bauer agrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: no one pressed charges or sued Kraft. He was arrested in a sting. Anyone can be sued by anyone else regardless of merit. That isn’t a reliable litmus test for anything. Charges were not filed against Watson. Charges were filed against Kraft, but they were later dropped because it was determined by an appeals court that the video footage of him at the massage parlor was obtained unconstitutionality and would be inadmissible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 7 hours ago, mannc said: Oh, I think he’ll play again, but I don’t think he’ll ever be close to what he was. I think he’ll be mentally and emotionally shot… How he copes will determine his future imo. If he’s stays strong mentally, I think he’ll be a top 12 QB or better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 It still amazes me the Browns went all in with this guy knowing the baggage he brings and nothing resolved. I don’t get it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: It still amazes me the Browns went all in with this guy knowing the baggage he brings and nothing resolved. I don’t get it. Worse. He's on a team SOLELY because they paid him. He wanted to be a Dolphin. Cleveland was nowhere on his radar until there were only 2 or 3 suitors and a guaranteed contract. This isn't a 34 year old future hall of famer looking for one last shot at a ring. This is a scum bag that burned down the Texans (for now), the 2021 Dolphins (possibly still I'm sure Tua is enjoying working for his employers), and now the Browns. The Browns front office - and Stefanski - are a complete joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) The lawyer saying happy endings aren't illegal if you don't pay extra reminded me Herman Cane saying you want the job don't you Edited June 18, 2022 by Buffalosouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, NewEra said: How he copes will determine his future imo. If he’s stays strong mentally, I think he’ll be a top 12 QB or better How he copes? Stays strong mentally? Who is the victim here? You do realize there is literally zero rehabilitation for sexual predators / addicts? There is an extremely high probability he continues down this same path. Stays strong mentally…puke!!! He is accused of sexually assaulting 26 women (god knows how many didn’t report) and now will have $259M remaining on his $260M fully guaranteed contract after his one year suspension (if rumors hold true). I’m just waiting for this guy to buy a private island and private plane and go the way of Jefferey Epstein. Edited June 18, 2022 by TheWeatherMan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalosouth said: The lawyer saying happy endings aren't illegal if you don't pay extra reminded me Herman Cane saying you want the job don't you reminds me of how prostitution is legal if you're filming it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 12 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Anyone can be sued by anyone else regardless of merit. That isn’t a reliable litmus test for anything. Charges were not filed against Watson. Charges were filed against Kraft, but they were later dropped because it was determined by an appeals court that the video footage of him at the massage parlor was obtained unconstitutionality and would be inadmissible. correct. but no individual sued or brought charges against Kraft, so why bring him up as an analogy to the Watson issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: correct. but no individual sued or brought charges against Kraft, so why bring him up as an analogy to the Watson issue? Individuals do not bring criminal charges against others, they can only bring civil suits. Criminal indictments are brought by grand juries or prosecutors As discussed, it was brought up by the NFLPA and is pertinent because of the NFL’s Personal Conduct Policy’s direction on punishments for owners and players. I’m not going to repeat it all, but it’s in this thread. Also why bring up civil suits? The PCP doesn’t even mention them. Edited June 18, 2022 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 8 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: How he copes? Stays strong mentally? Who is the victim here? You do realize there is literally zero rehabilitation for sexual predators / addicts? There is an extremely high probability he continues down this same path. Stays strong mentally…puke!!! He is accused of sexually assaulting 26 women (god knows how many didn’t report) and now will have $259M remaining on his $260M fully guaranteed contract after his one year suspension (if rumors hold true). I’m just waiting for this guy to buy a private island and private plane and go the way of Jefferey Epstein. For those of us that have actually taken the time to sink into the stories of the various Jane Does, it is rather obvious that Watson is a highly well developed, cultivated, sexual predator. He has a specific MO and a typical target in mind with these encounters. There is NO WAY he has just started doing this--it has to go back to his university days and taken time to develop into the system he has in place now. Pending the outcome of the civil litigation, he should be facing a lifetime ban from the NFL. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 22 hours ago, mannc said: If Watson is forced to sit out another full season, I’m going to go ahead and say his career is essentially over, and the Browns might have made the worst trade in NFL history. Hershel Walker and the Vikings say hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsfaninSB said: Hershel Walker and the Vikings say hi. Why would they say hi? I don’t understand. I couldn’t care less about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, mannc said: Why would they say hi? I don’t understand. I couldn’t care less about them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade ”The trade was detailed in an ESPN 30 for 30 film, "The Great Trade Robbery". Edited June 19, 2022 by WotAGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade ”The trade was detailed in an ESPN 30 for 30 film, "The Great Trade Robbery". I know about the trade…just wondering why they are saying hi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: correct. but no individual sued or brought charges against Kraft, so why bring him up as an analogy to the Watson issue? Because owning your favorite team doesn’t mean he’s not a pervert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Because owning your favorite team doesn’t mean he’s not a pervert? I haven’t paid attention to the dialogue between you guys, but being a pervert is a bit different than doing what Watson did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I haven’t paid attention to the dialogue between you guys, but being a pervert is a bit different than doing what Watson did. Kraft is a pervert and Watson is a superperv and beyond. Kraft may not have caused the same harm as Watson but they both behaved inappropriately with women in a similar way. The resident Pats fan says there is no comparison which is, of course, a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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