Deshaun Watson admits under oath that Ashley Solis cried at the end of the massage

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Texans have no obligation to disclose what they did or didn't know.

 

The Texans are starting to look like the smart team here. It’s on the Browns to do their due diligence.

 

Only the Browns could create a situation like that! It will never be right with Haslam in charge. I don’t know what I’d do. Find a new team? Focus on college? If I were a Browns fan, it would be a real dilemma. 

[WotAGuy]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Texans have no obligation to disclose what they did or didn't know.

I would think that if the NFL didn’t like the Texans’ supplying an NDA or the hotel membership and how that played into accusations against Watson, they could at least ask the Texans about it all. 

[Billy Claude]

51 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

I would think that if the NFL didn’t like the Texans’ supplying an NDA or the hotel membership and how that played into accusations against Watson, they could at least ask the Texans about it all. 

 

I would guess that NDAs are pretty common when celebrities celebrities hire people so I really don't think one can make a big deal about it.  I don't understand the hotel business though.

[WotAGuy]

15 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

 

I would guess that NDAs are pretty common when celebrities celebrities hire people so I really don't think one can make a big deal about it.  I don't understand the hotel business though.

NDAs aren’t unusual but the circumstances of how and why one was left for Watson to use may be unusual and of interest. 

[The Wiz]

21 hours ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:

Probably could use a good deep tissue massage, I’m sure he’s a little tight!

He's been throwing balls all off season. 

 

Oh, wrong balls. 

[Behindenemylines]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If more women come forward not only does that open Watson up for more punishment but it also opens him up for criminal charges again.

 

Its a huge deal if more women come forward after the contract was signed. More women could give the Browns an out. 

 

Wouldn’t put it past the Browns to encourage other women to come forward to get them out of this contract. 
 

 

[TBBills]

18 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

Wouldn’t put it past the Browns to encourage other women to come forward to get them out of this contract. 
 

 

What was the magical number for Browns to get out? 45?

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

What was the magical number for Browns to get out? 45?

25. That equals his # of wins over the last 4 years. 😳

Edited June 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Buffalo_Stampede]

10 minutes ago, TBBills said:

What was the magical number for Browns to get out? 45?

1 can bring charges.

[Behindenemylines]

7 minutes ago, TBBills said:

What was the magical number for Browns to get out? 45?

Can you imagine the fallout when they say “there were X number more women than were disclosed and we are opting out based upon new information.”   
 

the legal fallout alone, and this is then a basic admission they feel Watson is a Perv to a degree they can’t handle.  I bet it’s sell the franchise and sorry Cleveland California needs another team.   
 

It would be an NFL soap Opera 

[cle23]

5 hours ago, Mango said:

 

3 year suspension. Just in time for his cap number to screw them over once they finally get their first round picks back. I have heard his contract is pretty iron clad against any suspensions. So I don't know why he would ever restructure. 

 

I think there is zero chance of a 3 year suspension.  He'd be more likely to be banned for life than 3 years,  which would essentially void the contract.  He has some protections in year 1 and 2, but it was to instances solely disclosed to the club at signing. So any new instances could void it if he is suspended. 

[TheFunPolice]

If the Browns void his contract they will have given the Texans all those picks, took all the bad press, and have no QB and no draft picks 

[Behindenemylines]

20 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

If the Browns void his contract they will have given the Texans all those picks, took all the bad press, and have no QB and no draft picks 

Sounds like typical Browns football actually 

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

Wouldn’t put it past the Browns to encourage other women to come forward to get them out of this contract. 
 

 

The Browns mortgaged their future on this guy like 3 months ago. They are hoping this goes away as quickly as possible 

[Putin]

4 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

Can you imagine the fallout when they say “there were X number more women than were disclosed and we are opting out based upon new information.”   
 

the legal fallout alone, and this is then a basic admission they feel Watson is a Perv to a degree they can’t handle.  I bet it’s sell the franchise and sorry Cleveland California needs another team.   
 

It would be an NFL soap Opera 

Oh yeah the 23 women was was ok , BUT 24 NO way any decent organization even like the Browns can’t deal with 

Edited June 10, 2022 by Putin

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I would think that if the NFL didn’t like the Texans’ supplying an NDA or the hotel membership and how that played into accusations against Watson, they could at least ask the Texans about it all. 

 

They could. And they could sanction the Texans. They couldn't rescind the trade. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 hours ago, Putin said:

Oh yeah the 23 women was was ok , BUT 24 NO way any decent organization even like the Browns can’t deal with 

You’re not understanding? 23 women no indictment. More women and it can be opened back up for charges. 

[Paul Costa]

What needs to be looked into is the collusion between Watson’s attorney and the Houston DA? Seems as though they worked together nicely to make this go away

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You’re not understanding? 23 women no indictment. More women and it can be opened back up for charges. 

 

It isn't quite that simple, we don't know that the criminal investigation was specific to the same 23 cases, we know that the grand jury only had a limited number of cases in front of it, but we don't know the scope of the criminal investigation that preceded the grand jury. It isn't impossible that the 23rd or 24th case is one that law enforcement was totally unaware of, but it also isn't a given either. 

[BarleyNY]

On 6/9/2022 at 8:37 AM, Mango said:

Oh man. That’s a great point. I guess it would be awesome to see Baker keeping holding out and Watson make it though all of training camp and after preseason game comes an indefinite suspension. 

Baker can’t hold out.  If he did, the Browns would just void his contract.  They’d love for that to be the outcome, but I can’t see Mayfield giving up $18.9M to become a free agent.  I don’t see him ever playing for the Browns again, but he can’t hold out. 

[Captain Hindsight]

16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Baker can’t hold out.  If he did, the Browns would just void his contract.  They’d love for that to be the outcome, but I can’t see Mayfield giving up $18.9M to become a free agent.  I don’t see him ever playing for the Browns again, but he can’t hold out. 

They excused him from mandatory OTAs, I bet they do the same thing for TC

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

They excused him from mandatory OTAs, I bet they do the same thing for TC

That is a great question.  The Browns will still need him to restructure his contract to eat some of his salary so they don’t want to escalate the situation too far.  They also don’t want him to get injured at the facility.  Mayfield might actually want to come to TC though - even if excused - and the Browns really can’t prevent him from doing so as long as he’s on the team.  It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Captain Hindsight]

6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

That is a great question.  The Browns will still need him to restructure his contract to eat some of his salary so they don’t want to escalate the situation too far.  They also don’t want him to get injured at the facility.  Mayfield might actually want to come to TC though - even if excused - and the Browns really can’t prevent him from doing so as long as he’s on the team.  It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I'd be surprised if Mayfield ever sets foot in the Browns facility again. To a lesser extent its whats happening with Jimmy G in SF. They decided to move on, no sense in trying to make the relationship work for what will ultimately be a short time 

 

Same thing the Bills did with Bledsoe and JP. Should the Bills have kept Bledose in case JP didnt play well? Yeah maybe, but it was decided they would be moving on so everyone parted ways. 

 

I get why Cleveland hasn't released him, but its only a matter of time. I think its more likely he spends a year as the 3rd QB, than starts for them 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'd be surprised if Mayfield ever sets foot in the Browns facility again. To a lesser extent its whats happening with Jimmy G in SF. They decided to move on, no sense in trying to make the relationship work for what will ultimately be a short time 

 

Same thing the Bills did with Bledsoe and JP. Should the Bills have kept Bledose in case JP didnt play well? Yeah maybe, but it was decided they would be moving on so everyone parted ways. 

 

I get why Cleveland hasn't released him, but its only a matter of time. I think its more likely he spends a year as the 3rd QB, than starts for them 

Agree. They are separated, and now just waiting to file the official divorce papers. 

[Royale with Cheese]

[Warcodered]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/

 

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“Did you feel confident that you had the evidence needed to pursue those charges?” Baker was asked in the deposition.

“Yes,” Baker said.

“And was there any doubt in your mind as the investigating officer that a crime had occurred?”

“No,” Baker said.

 

Things continuing to be looking up for Watson.

[Royale with Cheese]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/

 

 

Things continuing to be looking up for Watson.

Even if the Browns can somehow get out of this with only a small financial penalty, losing multiple picks including 3 - 1st round picks is going to kill them.  

[Doc Brown]

25 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/                                                                    

“Did you feel confident that you had the evidence needed to pursue those charges?” Baker was asked in the deposition.

“Yes,” Baker said.

“And was there any doubt in your mind as the investigating officer that a crime had occurred?”

“No,” Baker said.

Baker determined to sabotage his team on the way out.  Good for him.

[4merper4mer]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Baker determined to sabotage his team on the way out.  Good for him.

An enterprising young Clevelander woman could make serious bank by setting up a massage table and hiding some cameras in a strategically  located Cheesecake Factory parking lot.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don’t see it.

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

An enterprising young Clevelander woman could make serious bank by setting up a massage table and hiding some cameras in a strategically  located Cheesecake Factory parking lot.

That is weirdly specific.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Doppelganger

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/

 

 

Things continuing to be looking up for Watson.

"Did you feel confident that you had the evidence needed to pursue those charges?” Baker was asked in the deposition.

“Yes,” Baker said.

“And was there any doubt in your mind as the investigating officer that a crime had occurred?”

“No,” Baker said.

 

I guess Baker Mayfield still does want that Browns QB job....

[4merper4mer]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

That is weirdly specific.

Just like Cleveland’s QB’s.

[BillsFan4]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2022/06/10/deshaun-watson-police-detective-crimes-lawsuits-massages-houston/7586814001/

 

 

Things continuing to be looking up for Watson.

 

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The detective, Kamesha Baker, said she expressed her opinion to the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. But she wasn't called to testify before the grand jury in Harris County, Texas, and doesn’t know why the grand jury didn’t indict the Cleveland Browns quarterback on criminal charges. She said she believed Watson committed criminal indecent assault, sexual assault and prostitution in cases where money was exchanged and there was consensual sex.

After hearing the prosecutors worked with Watson’s lawyer s and the Texans and now this, it’s starting to feel more and more like the prosecutor just didn’t want to get a grand jury indictment. 
 

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Baker determined to sabotage his team on the way out.  Good for him.

this is a police officer who investigated Watson saying that stuff. See above.

[qwksilver]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

After hearing the prosecutors worked with Watson’s lawyer s and the Texans and now this, it’s starting to feel more and more like the prosecutor just didn’t want to get a grand jury indictment. 
 

 

That is just wrong. Maybe voters will elect a new DA.

I wonder with everything that is out now if they would so easily assist in sweeping this under the rug?

 

[Billsflyer12]

Football is king in state of Texas.  The McNair family is one the made families in Texas.  Look at the list of Texas athletes and Texas celebrities Rusty Hardin has represented.  Trace the political money and back scratching between them all.

 

I lived in Texas for almost 10 years, this isn’t hard to connect the dots on why Watson wasn’t charged.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Billsflyer12

[muppy]

14 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Football is king in state of Texas.  The McNair family is one the made families in Texas.  Look at the list of Texas athletes and Texas celebrities Rusty Hardin has represented.  Trace the political money and back scratching between them all.

 

I lived in Texas for almost 10 years, this isn’t hard to connect the dots on why Watson wasn’t charged.

Texas is receiving a ton of publicity lately. And it's not good pub either.  I like Austin and SXSW festival but the rest of the state is a total mess. I'd never want to live there. 

[Billsflyer12]

22 minutes ago, muppy said:

Texas is receiving a ton of publicity lately. And it's not good pub either.  I like Austin and SXSW festival but the rest of the state is a total mess. I'd never want to live there. 

We decided we couldn’t raise our kids in that state anymore and left.  That was a decade ago, and it’s worse now.  
 

If you have ever lived there it’s not hard to figure out how this all works with regards to football and life.

[Warcodered]