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14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Proving that someone is "more likely to have done something versus not done something" is a far, far lower standard than proving "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you don't understand the difference and why that matters, you should go read up on the law.

Got ya. You must be very happy OJ is still free to go find that killer. 

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9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:


Okay if you really believe this then he’s guilty.  
 

You are trying hard to give the benefit of a doubt to Watson.  

 

I do believe he is guilty in at least a 3 or 4 cases. I also believe there is a strong likelihood at least half of these women participated of their own free will for additional money and then once they saw there was a lawsuit, they decided to pile on as a once in a lifetime opportunity for a huge payday. Also, perhaps some regretted it after the fact, but regretting it after the fact does not make it a crime or put Watson in the "wrong" if it was agreed to in the moment.

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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

The more money the person being accused has, the more stringently I look at the possible motives behind the accusers.  When a potential settlement gets to an amount more than many of them have ever seen in their life, that gives quite the incentive to pile on, wouldn't you think? People constantly want to pretend money isn't a strong enough motive for people to fudge the truth, but time and again we have seen it IS, and in amounts far less than what is being bandied about here.


So in any civil case, in your mind if the accuser has less money than the accused, it’s a money grab?  

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2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:


So in any civil case, in your mind if the accuser has less money than the accused, it’s a money grab?  

 

Depends on the amount of money at stake, the number of people "piling on" and the likelihood of wrong doing having taken place.  Am I saying ALL of these women are lying? No.  Am I saying at least half of them probably are fudging the truth a little? 100%

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21 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Got ya. You must be very happy OJ is still free to go find that killer. 

 

He had a criminal trial and was acquitted by a jury of his peers.  If you choose not to accept the verdict, that's your choice. Apparently you would prefer someone to be tried in perpetuity until your preferred verdict is rendered.  Unfortunately for you, that's not how the legal system works here...maybe you should go to one of these communist countries where they just have Kangaroo Courts?

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33 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I do believe he is guilty in at least a 3 or 4 cases. I also believe there is a strong likelihood at least half of these women participated of their own free will for additional money and then once they saw there was a lawsuit, they decided to pile on as a once in a lifetime opportunity for a huge payday. Also, perhaps some regretted it after the fact, but regretting it after the fact does not make it a crime or put Watson in the "wrong" if it was agreed to in the moment.

 

If 4 are telling the truth, 20 would be lying?  More than half isn't 85% or so.  

 

Money doesn't have to be the only motivating factor.  If no one comes to the public about this, the number of women he's soliciting for sex will continue to increase.  I'm not saying all are telling the truth, I don't know but I'm not going to say the vast majority are doing this for a money grab.  

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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Kraft did not really do the same...he went to a known place where that type of behavior was expected and welcomed. There was no "forcing" those women to do that, they knew that is what they were there for.  He was facing a criminal trial, NOT a civil trial.

 

Proving that someone is "more likely to have done something versus not done something" is a far, far lower standard than proving "beyond a reasonable doubt". If you don't understand the difference and why that matters, you should go read up on the law.


Read my posts.  Both of them solicited prostitution.  Watson, for some reason, wasn’t indicted,  yet his lawyer is now admitting his guilt.  Kraft was charged and his lawyer successfully suppressed evidence of his guilt. 
 

Strive to keep up

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2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

The more money the person being accused has, the more stringently I look at the possible motives behind the accusers.  When a potential settlement gets to an amount more than many of them have ever seen in their life, that gives quite the incentive to pile on, wouldn't you think? People constantly want to pretend money isn't a strong enough motive for people to fudge the truth, but time and again we have seen it IS, and in amounts far less than what is being bandied about here.

I’m sure you view class action suits with the same skepticism too😂😂😂

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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I’m sure you view class action suits with the same skepticism too😂😂😂

 

The only people getting rich in class action lawsuits are the lawyers. That $100 you get amongst 20 million other claimants doesn't do much.

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2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The only people getting rich in class action lawsuits are the lawyers. That $100 you get amongst 20 million other claimants doesn't do much.

Then let me disabuse you of the notion that the legitimacy of a lawsuit is related to the potential settlement.

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1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Depends on the amount of money at stake, the number of people "piling on" and the likelihood of wrong doing having taken place.  Am I saying ALL of these women are lying? No.  Am I saying at least half of them probably are fudging the truth a little? 100%

 

Sounds like he has personal experience with some women claiming he did something wrong so others claimed as well.

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If this guy isn't suspended for a large portion of the upcoming season (or indefinitely) than something is seriously wrong with the NFL especially when they preach how important character and image is for the league as a whole.

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I don't see how he plays at all this season. Different league but I'm sure the NFL is very aware of what the MLB did with Trevor Bauer. Would be a pretty bad look if Bauer gets two seasons, Ridley a full year for placing a $500 parlay, and Watson gets 8 games or something. 

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"Watson's lawyer claims that 'happy endings' are common in massage therapy and, short of paying extra for it, such conduct is not a crime," the lawsuit reads.

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How in the world can anyone defend this dirtbag and how can the NFL even consider letting ever play again? Insane! 

 

New lawsuit claims Deshaun Watson secured massages from random strangers “more than a hundred times”

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/06/06/new-lawsuit-claims-deshaun-watson-secured-massages-from-random-strangers-more-than-a-hundred-times/

 

The 24th lawsuit filed against Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson opens with general allegations regarding Watson’s alleged habit of securing massages via Instagram. One specific excerpt from the first page of the complaint stands out.

 

“Defendant Deshaun Watson has a disturbing pattern of conduct,” the complaint contends. “Each of the cases against him is strikingly similar, evidencing a habit or custom: Watson seeks out random strangers on Instagram, as he has done more than a hundred times.”

 

 

More than a hundred times. Presumably, there’s evidence to support that claim. Evidence that likely comes from efforts to develop relevant facts in the other cases.

If it’s true that Watson has used social media to secure “more than a hundred” massages from “random strangers,” that’s a dynamic about which the league office clearly should be concerned. Regardless of the specific allegations and defenses in each of the various cases, these circumstances — combined with the recent efforts of attorney Rusty Hardin to normalize the practice of receiving and/or seeking “happy endings” — paint a troubling picture. One that tends to support if not confirm the general notion that Watson combined his immense fame with the relative anonymity of social media to create a system for seeking not legitimate massages but sexual encounters.

It’s a “know it when you see it” situation. Hardin can pick nits and/or quibble over details. It’s becoming increasingly clear that Watson had a well-established habit of seeking out massages from strangers. Now, 24 of those strangers have sued him for the things he said and did during those massage sessions.

 

The league continues to investigate. To ponder. To weigh the appropriate punishment to recommend, a decision that will spark an independent disciplinary process.

In late March, the Commissioner took paid leave off the table, even though some in the league office believe Watson should be sidelined with pay until the various civil cases are resolved. Based on recent developments (specifically, the two new lawsuits and the comments made on Friday by Hardin), perhaps it’s time for the Commissioner to reconsider his position on leave with pay.

 

If, as alleged in the latest lawsuit, Watson has used social media to arrange more than 100 massages with “random strangers” and if, as Hardin seems to suggest, Watson’s defense will include the position that there’s nothing wrong with receiving or pursuing sex during a massage, the most prudent course for the NFL could be to place Watson on the Commissioner Exempt list until each of the pending lawsuits are resolved, with formal discipline to happen thereafter.

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If Deshaun Watson was, say, a backup linebacker, he'd never play another down in the NFL.

Because he's a star quarterback, though, he'll likely get a year's suspension and then go on to enjoy a long and lucrative career.

Disgusting.

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16 minutes ago, Process said:

I don't see how he plays at all this season. Different league but I'm sure the NFL is very aware of what the MLB did with Trevor Bauer. Would be a pretty bad look if Bauer gets two seasons, Patterson a full year for placing a $500 parlay, and Watson gets 8 games or something. 

 

My main wish is that Goodell and the NFL get this right.  If it means holding off and extending the investigation that is fine with me.

I'm tired of these type of things smearing my favorite sport.  If they suspend him for X amount of games with the caveat that more

suspensions could come later, that's fine with me too.

 

The NFL "Code of Conduct" rules have had a lot of questionable results in the past and this could get real ugly.  The fans of the NFL

should have a say in this one way or another and that should have some weight in the decision.  I am curious as to what would happen if

Watson is on the sidelines for the preseason games while the investigation is still ongoing.  The fans and TV sponsors pay for this sport

and the NFL better not forget that.

 

The Cleveland Browns took a huge risk in what they did and whatever happens is completely on them.  If it ends up being a huge mistake

that's tough luck.

 

Please Roger, get this right!

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