Is there any circumstances you would move on from McDermott after 2022?

[CheshireCT]

the 25% who didn't vote the first option are either crazy or just want to incite drama.

[Ralonzo]

 Don’t see moving on from either Beane or McD this decade, they’ve earned a ton of slack, but for crying out loud get a 16-year-old Madden player to delegate the game management decisions. McD made massive mistakes last season that were the margins in the key losses. The 21 Bills were a 15-win SB champ with even average situational decision making.

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Just can't see how fans would remain so blindly loyal and content if this team were to miss the playoffs (which is not as unrealistic as fans think sadly for a multitude of reasons).

 

I only see two routes to the Bills missing the playoffs:

 

1 - Josh gets a serious injury (crossing everything that he doesn't) in which case all bets are off;

2 - The oline sinks us - which I would put at Brandon Beane's door. It is the one area where I just don't think he has done enough. 

[AuntieEm]

16 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

0-17

Yea this.  McDermott would have to really lose the players if they go 0-17 and then you have no choice but to make changes.  Cannot justify canning him unless it is absolutely obvious there's a coaching-player disconnect that cannot be corrected.  We have too much talent in both the players and the staff imho to have such a complete breakdown. 

 

    I want the Bills to win the Super Bowl of course but really if they do it doesn't really change my fandom and I expect with the talent and the coaching too that all the Bills games will be highly entertaining and that alone is a win for all Bills Mafia.  

 

   There are many more things in life that are much more critical than whether the Bills bring the Lombardi to Buffalo after this next Super Bowl.  

 

    I will cheer them on whether or not they are winning.  Winning is not a condition to earn my fandom.  I'm not a fan of Tom Brady even though he's been a winner more often than not.  

 

 

 

 

  

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

 

If I saw him eating these.  

 

I respect all people.  All races.  All creeds.

 

However, if you eat these please know that I am perfectly comfortable stating the FACT that you will rot in hell for all eternity...because you will...because it's a fact.

 

 

[Johnnycage46]

22 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

If I saw him eating these.  

 

I respect all people.  All races.  All creeds.

 

However, if you eat these please know that I am perfectly comfortable stating the FACT that you will rot in hell for all eternity...because you will...because it's a fact.

 

 

 

Dude those are awesome...with the exception of the purple-ish black licorice flavored ones. 

[uticaclub]

16 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Nothing short of a full on player revolt or him getting caught doing some despicable act or committing some serious crime.

I’m cool with the despicable act or serious crime if we win the Super Bowl

28 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

If I saw him eating these.  

 

I respect all people.  All races.  All creeds.

 

However, if you eat these please know that I am perfectly comfortable stating the FACT that you will rot in hell for all eternity...because you will...because it's a fact.

 

 

New England Confectionery Company. Well maybe not treason

Edited May 17, 2022 by uticaclub

[Punching Bag]

Would it change peoples impression if they knew that Coach McD used ranch dressing on bare (no Buffalo sauce) wings?

[FilthyBeast]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I only see two routes to the Bills missing the playoffs:

 

1 - Josh gets a serious injury (crossing everything that he doesn't) in which case all bets are off;

2 - The oline sinks us - which I would put at Brandon Beane's door. It is the one area where I just don't think he has done enough. 

 

I also still worry about this oline and think the Saffold signing is way overblown especially since he's a veteran player that's clearly on the decline and nothing more than a stopgap that will be long gone next year. And for the 2nd straight year we had a golden opportunity to draft IOL and passed for a tweener/undersized LB.

 

I also worry about Spencer Brown falling victim to the dread Buffalo sophmore curse despite the promise he showed last year when in the lineup.

[msw2112]

Unless the Bills completely implode and fail to be in playoff contention (without an injury to Josh Allen), McDermott stays.  Every coach makes questionable calls - think of Pete Carroll throwing the ball on the goal line against NE with Lynch in the backfield - likely costing the Seahawks a SB - but he's been a successful coach for a long time and he (appropriately) kept his job.  Remember, McDermott got this team into the playoffs (even if just barely) in a Tyrod Taylor/Nate Peterman season and then has reached new heights with Allen under center.  The guy isn't perfect - nobody is - but he's an excellent coach that has won a lot of games.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I'm not sure the people that want McD here no matter what really appreciate how great #17 was in the playoffs and generally how great he is and can still be. 

 

I understand McD is part of the regime that brought him here...but I also know he's gagged it up in both of the last 2 playoff games vs KC. We've seen many times in sports where a team has had to move on from a coach who was part of bringing in an elite player to another coach to be able to take the next step. The coach that helped bring a team to contention isn't necessarily the right coach to move forward with. 

 

I think Josh is amazing enough that we can still win a SB with McD here...but I think it's going to be tougher and I think we'll be limited to possibly 1 title rather than a shot at a dynasty. 

 

As I've said before...it's only opinion and I have no proof as nobody does of what could have happened if not for 13 seconds...but I really believe we would've won the SB with a competent in-game coach. Unless of course he gagged in one of those games too, entirely possible. 

 

Realistically I don't think he's going anywhere unless we have a really disappointing season, it would probably be something like missing the playoffs with Josh being healthy or something drastic like that...so I'm hoping for the best. 

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

The guy above wants to give McDermott most of the credit for Allen, so I'm going to give him most of the blame for not having the communication lines squared away in the most important game of his career.

 

No disrespect here, but you’re basically declaring your counter argument is rooted in being more petty than accurate.  You’re basically saying because he said that I’m gonna say this.

 

And you’re wrong, it’s not McDs job to micro manage his positional coaches during games or even in a big moment like that.  There is trust and lines of communication, and it was NOT a breakdown in our HC line of communication.  He made a standard call like any other moment.  His ST Coach made a colossal blunder after that where there was no way McD could know that until it happened. 
 

And it’s precisely why our ST coach chose to resign and take the same position with the lowly Jags so he wouldn’t have to be thrown under the bus and fired, which was a classy move by McD to keep it internal.  
 

 

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

I don't want him fired or anything. I'm just saying there's an argument to be made that he gets into big spots and gags them away.

You said McDermott is mostly responsible for Allen. That's the bad take.

 

I'll repeat- Josh Allen is 10x better at QB than Sean McDermott is at head coaching. I'm not going to debate this.

 

Sorry, you can’t discredit the unbelievable job McD has done here over your gripe about the 13 seconds, especially since both the ST coach and players on the field after the kick hold more responsibility.  
 

He has 100% completely rebuilt this culture, the locker room, unified this team, and developed our young talent on both sides of the ball.  Tre, MIlano, Dawkins that first draft…then Allen, Edmunds, Devin, Knox, Oliver, Davis, Phillips, Levi, Dane, etc.  Most those guys were not even high prospects, yet they developed into important starters and players here.  

 

Look at what happened when we brought in a guy who didn’t mesh with his previous staff as well in Diggs, he became a team leader here and vital piece to our team.

 

Beane deserves a ton of credit too in working with McD and his scouts to find the right players for McD.  But it’s McD that turned them into vital players for this franchise.  
 

So to say Allen is 10x better player than McD is at coaching is just a silly and overly exaggerative statement that really isn’t close to accurate.  
 

McD right now, even without yet having a SB ring, is without question a top 5 coach in the NFL.  And once he gets his ring, he will have a case as best coach in the league.  
 

It’s not easy to get to the SB, and sometimes teams need to go through things like we did before they get there. Allen is only 25, yet people in this thread saying ridiculous things like “McD is wasting his prime”.  That’s so hilarious and silly, Allen hasn’t even reached his prime yet, he is still improving year to year.  
 

Finally…I can’t wait to come back to this thread after we hoist the Lombardi trophy this next February.  
 

GO BILLS

Edited May 17, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[teef]

this thread has gone pretty much exactly the way i thought it would.

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Or and this is a hypothetical, maybe people just remember the 17 years of no playoffs that proceeded him? Seriously it isn't just one flukey appearance now either, he's taken this team to the playoffs 4/5 years he's been here. 🤷‍♂️

 

10 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

He has the best quarterback in the league. 

He had the best QB in the league?  Really?

 

He didn’t when he broke the drought with Tyrod and Pickerman.

 

He didn’t when we got there in Allen’s second year.  
 

So yeah, having the best QB in the league is not why he broke the playoff drought and we turned into a perennial playoff team.  He made the playoffs 2 of the first 3 years here with Tyrod/Pickerman combo and an under 60% passing Allen who couldn’t hit a deep ball most the season.  
 

He just happened to also develop that young QB further into the best QB in the league along the way.

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Seoulofstone]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I think fans want a SB and if the Bills lose another playoff game in similar fashion to how they did last year many  fans will be calling for his head… 

That’s a big if.
 

But, yes, there will always be a group of folks who will seek to blame lay when they don’t receive their desired outcome.

 

You can apply that to the totality of human existence. We all do it, but such responses tend to be emotional and reactive.
 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Seoulofstone

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I honestly can’t think of a single topic you have ever had any positivity on.  You’re literally a broken record of doom and gloom. 
 

And sorry, it will be nearly impossible for a healthy 2022 Bills team to miss the playoffs.  I’ll bet you any amount of money that if Josh Allen stays healthy as well as the majority of the team that we make the playoffs. 
 

Almost every odds maker in the country feels the same given the majority have given them the best odds to not only make the Super Bowl, but win it.
 

And enough about the anomaly of the Jags game.   Bengals lost to the Jets and went to the SB.  It freaking happens, but you dedicated career wet blankets are so desperate to hold on to your negative and pessimistic outlooks you cling to it like a baby on it’s mother boob as if it defined the team while we were in the playoffs when we averaged 41.5 points per game and set records.  

 

You use the word anomaly as if there is something unusual about unexpected results in the NFL.

 

Every game the 2021 Bills lost on their way to 7-6 thru 13 games they had been favored to win.

 

The unexpected is normal in the NFL. 

 

If you don't want to be disagreed with then don't make utterly illogical statements.  

 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think fans want a SB and if the Bills lose another playoff game in similar fashion to how they did last year many  fans will be calling for his head… 

You mean the same fans that called for Beanes head when we drafted the wrong Josh?  
 

Same fans who called for McDs head and Beanes head after almost any regular season loss the last few years? 
 

The same fans who thought a plethora of wrong and stupid things during this regime?

 

Yeah…I don’t think they care what the fans think, if they had, we would still be a 5 win team max.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect here, but you’re basically declaring your counter argument is rooted in being more petty than accurate.  You’re basically saying because he said that I’m gonna say this.

 

And you’re wrong, it’s not McDs job to micro manage his positional coaches during games or even in a big moment like that.  There is trust and lines of communication, and it was NOT a breakdown in our HC line of communication.  He made a standard call like any other moment.  His ST Coach made a colossal blunder after that where there was no way McD could know that until it happened. 
 

And it’s precisely why our ST coach chose to resign and take the same position with the lowly Jags so he wouldn’t have to be thrown under the bus and fired, which was a classy move by McD to keep it internal.  
 

 

 

Sorry, you can’t discredit the unbelievable job McD has done here over your gripe about the 13 seconds, especially since both the ST coach and players on the field after the kick hold more responsibility.  
 

He has 100% completely rebuilt this culture, the locker room, unified this team, and developed our young talent on both sides of the ball.  Tre, MIlano, Dawkins that first draft…then Allen, Edmunds, Devin, Knox, Oliver, Davis, Phillips, Levi, Dane, etc.  Most those guys were not even high prospects, yet they developed into important starters and players here.  

 

Look at what happened when we brought in a guy who didn’t mesh with his previous staff as well in Diggs, he became a team leader here and vital piece to our team.

 

Beane deserves a ton of credit too in working with McD and his scouts to find the right players for McD.  But it’s McD that turned them into vital players for this franchise.  
 

So to say Allen is 10x better player than McD is at coaching is just a silly and overly exaggerative statement that really isn’t close to accurate.  
 

McD right now, even without yet having a SB ring, is without question a top 5 coach in the NFL.  And once he gets his ring, he will have a case as best coach in the league.  
 

It’s not easy to get to the SB, and sometimes teams need to go through things like we did before they get there. Allen is only 25, yet people in this thread saying ridiculous things like “McD is wasting his prime”.  That’s so hilarious and silly, Allen hasn’t even reached his prime yet, he is still improving year to year.  
 

Finally…I can’t wait to come back to this thread after we hoist the Lombardi trophy this next February.  
 

GO BILLS

 

So in your eyes...the Lombardi would elevate McD's standing as a coach but not winning it with a SB caliber roster doesn't take him down any notches. Interesting. 

 

I don't see it quite that way, for me it's evaluating him regardless. If McD gags in the biggest moments for a 3rd postseason in a row but #17 bails him out and we win it all, as he almost did this past January, I don't think that elevates McD somehow. Just like if McD becomes a great in-game decision maker this season and has a great postseason but we lose for a different reason, I do think that would still elevate him. I can't agree at all that a guy that's made horrible in-game decisions in the playoffs two years in a row is a top 5 coach as it stands.

 

But for you it seems like this only moves one way and there's really no accountability for him. We're all fans so it doesn't really matter in the end but it's just a strange philosophy to me. And yeah Allen is only 25...but these are still precious years and it is a big deal when a coach blows a great chance at a SB. I think you need at least a little bit of luck in terms of things like team health, being in the kind of zone Josh was in at the right time, etc and this postseason was one where everything had really lined up. 

[GoBills808]

McDermott is not above criticism. I don’t think he’s a top 5 coach personally but he’s in range. 
 

What I find funny are these attempts to insulate him from criticism…like people saying if the team falls short of expectations this season it will somehow be Beane’s fault. This while the Bills are Super Bowl favorites and the roster is absolutely loaded.

[Seoulofstone]

31 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

I'm not sure the people that want McD here no matter what really appreciate how great #17 was in the playoffs and generally how great he is and can still be. 

 This is bold. Only people who are McD skeptics can appreciate Josh’s true greatness?

 

I understand McD is part of the regime that brought him here...but I also know he's gagged it up in both of the last 2 playoff games vs KC. We've seen many times in sports where a team has had to move on from a coach who was part of bringing in an elite player to another coach to be able to take the next step. The coach that helped bring a team to contention isn't necessarily the right coach to move forward with. 

  Have you stopped for a moment to consider what would happen if McD left? Would Beane stay? What about the culture? The resulting roster turnover? The coaching staff? 
 

It’s not as straightforward as you make it sound.

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

[Alphadawg7]

14 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

So in your eyes...the Lombardi would elevate McD's standing as a coach but not winning it with a SB caliber roster doesn't take him down any notches. Interesting. 

 

I don't see it quite that way, for me it's evaluating him regardless. If McD gags in the biggest moments for a 3rd postseason in a row but #17 bails him out and we win it all, as he almost did this past January, I don't think that elevates McD somehow. Just like if McD becomes a great in-game decision maker this season and has a great postseason but we lose for a different reason, I do think that would still elevate him. I can't agree at all that a guy that's made horrible in-game decisions in the playoffs two years in a row is a top 5 coach as it stands.

 

But for you it seems like this only moves one way and there's really no accountability for him. We're all fans so it doesn't really matter in the end but it's just a strange philosophy to me. And yeah Allen is only 25...but these are still precious years and it is a big deal when a coach blows a great chance at a SB. I think you need at least a little bit of luck in terms of things like team health, being in the kind of zone Josh was in at the right time, etc and this postseason was one where everything had really lined up. 

I’ve seen people like you put Reid on this coaching elite pedestal but he was the Bills 2.0 in Philly where he went to 4 straight NFC Chmoionship games, losing 3 of them though and making one SB, also a loss.  
 

I’ve seen you people put McVay BEFORE this SB victory on the same pedastel.  
 

I’ve seen you people put Sean Payton on the same pedastel despite frequently MISSING the playoffs with a 5000 yard passing prime Brees and only reaching the big dance once.

 

So the point is, that it’s NOT easy to make the SB, just ask McCarthy, LaFluer, Payton, Schottenheimer, Reid, etc who had tons of elite QB play and couldn’t get there most seasons or even at all.  

In fact Andy Reid is 1-2 in SBs, and 3-8 in Conference Championship games.  
 

So yeah, I think any coach who gets a SB ring will have some elevation in status perception.  But just because you don’t win one doesn’t also mean you’re downgraded as a coach that needs to be replaced.  

 

McD is one of the best coaches in the NFL right now and many teams would fire their existing coach to hire him if he was suddenly available.  And a SB ring doesn’t make him a great coach, it makes him get the recognition he already deserves as a great coach.  
 

Edited May 17, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

If the Bills lose again to the chiefs in the playoffs, McD will have to go.

 

He will have hit his ceiling as a coach

[todd]

I’m convinced that some people aren’t happy unless they are miserable. Nothing to complain about? Manufacture something!

 

That sums up this stupid poll and thread.

Edited May 17, 2022 by todd

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve seen people like you put Reid on this coaching elite pedestal but he was the Bills 2.0 in Philly where he went to 4 straight NFC Chmoionship games, losing 3 of them though and making one SB, also a loss.  
 

I’ve seen you people put McVay BEFORE this SB victory on the same pedastel.  
 

I’ve seen you people put Sean Payton on the same pedastel despite frequently MISSING the playoffs with a 5000 yard passing prime Brees and only reaching the big dance once.

 

So the point is, that it’s NOT easy to make the SB, just ask McCarthy, LaFluer, Payton, Schottenheimer, Reid, etc who had tons of elite QB play and couldn’t get there most seasons or even at all.  

In fact Andy Reid is 1-2 in SBs, and 3-8 in Conference Championship games.  
 

So yeah, I think any coach who gets a SB ring will have some elevation in status perception.  But just because you don’t win one doesn’t also mean you’re downgraded as a coach that needs to be replaced.  

 

McD is one of the best coaches in the NFL right now and many teams would fire their existing coach to hire him if he was suddenly available.  And a SB ring doesn’t make him a great coach, it makes him get the recognition he already deserves as a great coach.  
 

 

This is a pretty amateur and childish response. I haven't mentioned any of those names, which just made up like 80% of your post. Manufacturing something and throwing someone in it as "people like you" or "you people" in direct response to someone who didn't say any of that is what people do in those really immature political conversations. If you look at my response, I actually read what you said and responded directly to your thoughts, I didn't create a different argument and lump you in with something you haven't said. 

 

We can agree to disagree, I'll move on to a more mature conversation. 

[Matt_In_NH]

17 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

*Is there any circumstances you would move on from McDermott after 2022?

 

*Are (the noun is plural)

 

 

Then it would have said “our”

[HomeskillitMoorman]

13 minutes ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

 

 

No, not necessarily a skeptic, but the "no matter what" part I think is what's even more bold than anything I've said. Like if he made a series of horrible moves that led to another playoff loss, you wouldn't even question if he's the right person to move forward with? My point was more that "no matter what" is basically saying there's no accountability or expectation for McD when we have an elite QB that leaves everything out there and has the ability to win a SB, multiple even. If that's the case, then yes, I think Josh's greatness is being really under appreciated or not being acknowledged. 

 

The second part you raise some solid questions. Obviously neither I or anyone here would have those answers and certainly some of those things would have to play in. Like I wouldn't want to lose Beane, for instance. There would have to be belief that a coach they possibly have in mind could be a leader for this group. I get that it's not straightforward. But I also don't think that means we should ultimately hang on to what we have "no matter what", in fear of that, if he continues to gag in these big games. 

 

[Alphadawg7]

22 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

This is a pretty amateur and childish response. I haven't mentioned any of those names, which just made up like 80% of your post. Manufacturing something and throwing someone in it as "people like you" or "you people" in direct response to someone who didn't say any of that is what people do in those really immature political conversations. If you look at my response, I actually read what you said and responded directly to your thoughts, I didn't create a different argument and lump you in with something you haven't said. 

 

We can agree to disagree, I'll move on to a more mature conversation. 

I didn’t mean it disrespectful.  You also misunderstood what I meant by “people like you”.  I didn’t say YOU said those things about those other coaches.  I said people like you, as in people who want to be more critical of McD because he hasn’t gotten us to a SB yet.  And that’s accurate, not childish.  But I can see how you could take it differently, so sorry for not being more clear.

 

But I would bet big money that if I asked you before my post if you thought Andy Reid was a great coach that you would have said yes, as would most people, because he is. 
 

Yet Reid had lost a SB and 5 championship games before he finally won one much later in his career.  And he has since lost another SB and another Championship game as well.  
 

He went to 4 straight championship games, and a total of 5 in Philly and lost all of them but one, which resulted in a lost SB.  In KC he has gone to 4 straight championship games again but only one SB ring to show for it.  
 

But I would bet you think he’s a top tier coach who should not be fired.  Which he absolutely is.  And if you also think so, then you need to rethink your stance on McD and evaluate what he’s done to get us to this point and not hang as much weight on not YET getting the SB on his resume.

Edited May 17, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I only see two routes to the Bills missing the playoffs:

 

1 - Josh gets a serious injury (crossing everything that he doesn't) in which case all bets are off;

2 - The oline sinks us - which I would put at Brandon Beane's door. It is the one area where I just don't think he has done enough. 

 

Last season the only thing I didn't like about the Bills chances was the prevailing attitude that the season was all about avenging the loss to the Chiefs.

 

It permeated from the front office.......who chose to run it back........down to the fans.......who felt the season was just an annoying formality on their way back to the AFCCG.

 

And it showed with the players..........they had problems with focusing on opponents.........got pumped up to play KC,  which carried over to the game in TN.........and then from there until halftime of the Tampa game they seemed often disinterested.    Fortunately they had as many weaklings on their schedule as they did.......teams whose first priority was evaluating their own roster,  trying to win was a secondary consideration.

 

 It took a string of terrible losses and then Tom Brady kicking sand in their faces again for two quarters for them to realize that they needed to start playing up to the hype or miss the playoffs entirely.

 

It was only fitting that the opportunities that they wasted lead to them getting beaten........yet again.......in KC.

 

Hopefully the players (and fans for that matter) learned something from wasting what was probably their clearest path to a SB title since the early 90's.

 

I expect this season that this team will be focused from day one and that the goal will be home field advantage and that attitude will not fluctuate based on how KC is playing(which appeared to be the case at times last season).    

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

McDermott is not above criticism. I don’t think he’s a top 5 coach personally but he’s in range. 
 

What I find funny are these attempts to insulate him from criticism…like people saying if the team falls short of expectations this season it will somehow be Beane’s fault. This while the Bills are Super Bowl favorites and the roster is absolutely loaded.

 

The only way it is Beane's fault is if the OL disintergrates. If that is what costs us I put that on Beane. I don't think anything else lands at Beane's door, but OL does. Didn't love the standing pat there last year, don't love the moves there this year. If there is under performance from other units (except for major injuries allowing) that is on the coaches and ultimately McDermott. 

[Rico]

No, but I would trade Filthy Beast for Skooby.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve seen people like you put Reid on this coaching elite pedestal but he was the Bills 2.0 in Philly where he went to 4 straight NFC Chmoionship games, losing 3 of them though and making one SB, also a loss.  
 

I’ve seen you people put McVay BEFORE this SB victory on the same pedastel.  
 

 

 

Which, it turns out, was entirely accurate.

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Dude those are awesome...with the exception of the purple-ish black licorice flavored ones. 

 

 

Although we are not of the same thought, please know, Johnny, that I pray for you...every single damn day from here on out.

 

  

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I think fans want a SB and if the Bills lose another playoff game in similar fashion to how they did last year many  fans will be calling for his head… 

That’s because your standards are low….
 

There is no reason to suggest either should be replaced right now. No reason at all… but suggesting they should retire as Bills is also ridiculously premature. 

 

  Oh, Scott. Your memory is short.  I'll take my chances with McBeane getting long in the tooth over front office/coaching roulette. What's been this franchise's record with GM and head coach hires?

[The Dean]

None of the situations in your poll would come close to justifying firing McD, IMO. 

 

It will take Urbanesque issues to justify his dismissal this year, IMO.

[Mattymafia]

no.

[JimBob2232]

It would take a scandal, a poorly managed external crisis (i.e. Antonio Brown, etc), or team revolt.   No on-field performance will make me change his status in 23 (or 24 for that matter).  He gets a pass for a good long while - unless he and Allen start a spat.  Then Allen wins.

[Nextmanup]

20 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The cupboard is now fully stocked (DB only real question mark still) and there are no more excuses for him.

 

And the best path for this team in terms of a SB appearance is to play consistent football from start to finish to ensure the road to the SB goes through Buffalo. And to McD's credit he's been great at home in the playoffs the last few years and has never lost a home playoff game.

 

But deep down I still think very poor in game decisions and situation football awareness is something that can be exploited again not just in the playoffs, but against a very tough schedule this year.

He's never been, and is never going to be, an above average in-game decision maker.

 

Whether that holds the team back from winning it all or not remains to be seen.

 

As I keep writing when these types of threads come up, the day WILL come when he has to get it done, or else he should be gone.

 

Is that day THIS YEAR?  Probably not.

 

[Buffalosouth]

I was thinking about this the other day. If they come out and get beat badly on week 1 it's going to be a big hit but not quite enough. If they lose enough games throughout the season from bad coaching the frogs in the water and the stove on. The straw that breaks the camels back for me would be him losing the team. That's what I worry about the most is the message getting old. If the process becomes a problem I wouldn't be too surprised if the Pegulas started having talks. The next question is are Beane and McDermott truly McBeane or would Beane stay? Is he good at drafting for McDermotts system or all around a good talent evaluator? 

 

This is why they need to win. Then I can just think 'Superbowl.'

Edited May 17, 2022 by Buffalosouth

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

A little different circumstances now though… And yea, I wouldn’t trust the Pegulas one bit to get it right with the next hire, but Josh Allen would attract many coaches/GMs… and would make many of them look good.

 

Or ruin him. When you have a good thing going you don't make a bet you can do better. Besides, if as you say Josh will make anyone look good, just stay with what you have.

[blizzardman]

12 seconds and he’d have to go