Bills recent fourth round picks.

[Buffalo Boy]

    In the last 10 years the Bills have taken 5 players in the fourth round. Often, we have traded this pick in the past.

    Gabriel Davis looks like a stud

    Taron Johnson has been useful

    Cardale Jones???

    Ross Cockrell has a career bouncing around the league….meh.

    DUKE WILLIAMS STONE COLD HALL OF FAME LOCK…. According to the accolades he garners from some on here. 
   
      Apparently, half the posters on here know MORE than Beane and our future has just been destroyed by him working his intel and trading this years 4th.

      Me, I’m going to trust him and our scouting department. Crazy talk I’m sure.

[Bray Wyatt]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    In the last 10 years the Bills have taken 5 players in the fourth round. Often, we have traded this pick in the past.

    Gabriel Davis looks like a stud

    Taron Johnson has been useful

    Cardale Jones???

    Ross Cockrell has a career bouncing around the league….meh.

    DUKE WILLIAMS STONE COLD HALL OF FAME LOCK…. According to the accolades he garners from some on here. 
   
      Apparently, half the posters on here know MORE than Beane and our future has just been destroyed by him working his intel and trading this years 4th.

      Me, I’m going to trust him and our scouting department. Crazy talk I’m sure.

 

Different Duke Williams LMAO

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    In the last 10 years the Bills have taken 5 players in the fourth round. Often, we have traded this pick in the past.

    Gabriel Davis looks like a stud

    Taron Johnson has been useful

    Cardale Jones???

    Ross Cockrell has a career bouncing around the league….meh.

    DUKE WILLIAMS STONE COLD HALL OF FAME LOCK…. According to the accolades he garners from some on here. 
   
      Apparently, half the posters on here know MORE than Beane and our future has just been destroyed by him working his intel and trading this years 4th.

      Me, I’m going to trust him and our scouting department. Crazy talk I’m sure.

 

Wrong Duke Williams. This one was a bad safety who is easily forgotten. 

 

Taron has been better than useful. But yea, it's him and Gabe excellent picks, Cockrell a decent 4th rounder than then two busts.

[RichRiderBills]

I have zero memory of Ross Cockrell.

 

Zero...like wtf did I jump into an alternate universe? 

 

"Mandela Effect"

Edited April 29, 2022 by RichRiderBills

[BritBill]

I'm quite surprised by the minor levels of disrespect shown towards Taron Johnson on this website over the last week or so. 

[Hebert19]

I stopped reading when you said taron Johnson has been "useful."  

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

I have zero memory of Ross Cockrell.

 

Zero...like wtf did I jump into an alternate universe? 

 

"Mandela Effect"

 

Cockrell was given up to quickly by the Bills. He's actually been a pretty decent backup CB in the league. Was with the Steelers for awhile, couple of other teams I cant remember. I mean def not a star or starter but for a 4th round guys he's been in the league quite awhile.

[MrEpsYtown]

They also took Jonathan Meeks instead of Micah Hyde. 

 

But yeah they can get back into the 4th with no issue at all if they want to. The have t make sure they hit in rounds 2 and 3. Personally, I would trade more picks in this draft to get multiple twos or threes tonight. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

For some reason, the lone guy I equate with the 4th round is Tim Euhus. 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Miyagi-Do Karate

[SCBills]

I don’t hate trading a 4th.. I just wish we still  had it to use in a trade up tonight. 
 

Gabriel Davis was a 2nd/3rd round talent that fell to the 4th in an insanely deep WR draft.  This draft is deep at WR, but in two years things have changed and that likely never happens again.  
 

Edited April 29, 2022 by SCBills

[Rochesterfan]

29 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I have zero memory of Ross Cockrell.

 

Zero...like wtf did I jump into an alternate universe? 

 

"Mandela Effect"

 

26 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

Cockrell was given up to quickly by the Bills. He's actually been a pretty decent backup CB in the league. Was with the Steelers for awhile, couple of other teams I cant remember. I mean def not a star or starter but for a 4th round guys he's been in the league quite awhile.

 

I believe Cockrell was a give-up by Rex.  He showed a bit of promise, but was not a Rex guy and was shoved out the door.

 

He had some good years in Pittsburgh and got a SB title in Tampa I believe.  His wife is also an Olympian that competed recently if I remember correct.

 

He ended up being a fine pick - just never in Buffalo.

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wrong Duke Williams. This one was a bad safety who is easily forgotten. 

 

Taron has been better than useful. But yea, it's him and Gabe excellent picks, Cockrell a decent 4th rounder than then two busts.

Live and learn…..Thanks

36 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I have zero memory of Ross Cockrell.

 

Zero...like wtf did I jump into an alternate universe? 

 

"Mandela Effect"

My wife knows a relative of his which is the only reason I know anything about him

32 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

They also took Jonathan Meeks instead of Micah Hyde. 

 

But yeah they can get back into the 4th with no issue at all if they want to. The have t make sure they hit in rounds 2 and 3. Personally, I would trade more picks in this draft to get multiple twos or threes tonight. 

    Absolutely agree on trading late rounders. 6 and 7 aren’t making this team unless it’s a punter.

[junior]

35 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

For some reason, the lone guy I equate with the 4th round is Tim Euhus. 

 

Shawn Nelson for me

[Whites Bay]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Absolutely agree on trading late rounders. 6 and 7 aren’t making this team unless it’s a punter.

This exactly.  Save a 5th and get a punter, bundle everything else and move up.  The Bills have finally built a roster that affords a little bit of "luxury".  Lower-round picks stashed on the Practice Squad are just going to get poached - AGAIN.

[Lost]

15 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t hate trading a 4th.. I just wish we still  had it to use in a trade up tonight. 
 

Gabriel Davis was a 2nd/3rd round talent that fell to the 4th in an insanely deep WR draft.  This draft is deep at WR, but in two years things have changed and that likely never happens again.  
 

 

Not that it matters because I'm glad they took Elam over McDuffie but I wonder if the Bills could have traded up further than 23 with thier 4th rd pick if they were going to go that route.   I envisioned them trading up to like 18-19 to take Booth but I was also hoping for a bit that maybe they would trade up to the 15-18 range and grab Hamilton if he slid that far.  

[BillsShredder83]

the people whining about this are immature and short sighted. beane sees one guy left on his board with 1st rd grade AT A POSITION OF NEED..... in a draft that i believe TIED FOR MOST FIRST ROUND TRADES.... all night was wheeling n dealing. Dallas needed another CB, they also easily couldve traded out to anyone else. who knows what kinda intel he had on this on top of that other info.

 

ill never speak on the 4th rder lost again

[SoTier]

Only about 60% of the players taken in the first round are good enough to stay with their original team for four years.   I haven't seen any stats for fourth rounders lasting for four years but I'd bet it's 10% or less for fourth rounders.  It's probably significantly less for fourth rounders going to perennial playoff contenders.   The chances of a fourth rounder having significant impact with the Bills would be pretty slim.

 

  

[junior]

This thread seems bonkers to me. 

 

Beane has made two 4th-round picks in his time with the Bills:

• Taron Johnson, who's one of the top nickel CBs in the league
• Gabriel Davis, who's stepped up in a big way whenever his name's been called

 

He's absolutely CRUSHED both picks, so yes, given Beane's hit rate, it's disappointing we don't have a 4th. On the flip side, if there's a guy Beane really wants in the 4th, we can easily maneuver our way back in, I'm sure.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Cardale Jones. Wow. That’s a name.

[Rochesterfan]

55 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Not that it matters because I'm glad they took Elam over McDuffie but I wonder if the Bills could have traded up further than 23 with thier 4th rd pick if they were going to go that route.   I envisioned them trading up to like 18-19 to take Booth but I was also hoping for a bit that maybe they would trade up to the 15-18 range and grab Hamilton if he slid that far.  

 

Beane said they never went higher than 20, but I am not sure there was going to be to much trading in that area anyway.

Pick 15 - the Texans at 15 might have been a player, especially as they reached for a pick, but going up 10 spots is more than 4th and was unnecessary.

 

Pick 16 - Washington- I don’t think Beane will deal with that FO after this off season.

 

Picks 17, 18, 19, and 20 teams all got guys they seemed to be associated with and were top needs for the teams at the right time.  
 

I am not sure any of them really wanted to risk the move back.

 

21 - was NE and I would not expect them and the Bills to work together.  
 

22 - GB did not seem to want to move

 

23 - got the prize - Baltimore risked the fall.

 

 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wrong Duke Williams. This one was a bad safety who is easily forgotten. 

 

Taron has been better than useful. But yea, it's him and Gabe excellent picks, Cockrell a decent 4th rounder than then two busts.

The only reason I remember Duke is because of the PI against NE.

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

They target people and they move around the draft board to get people they want. 

 

Also remember that with all the millions of comp picks we will see today at the end of these rounds, their 4th round pick is really a mid 5th. 

[Buffalo Boy]

52 minutes ago, junior said:

This thread seems bonkers to me. 

 

Beane has made two 4th-round picks in his time with the Bills:

• Taron Johnson, who's one of the top nickel CBs in the league
• Gabriel Davis, who's stepped up in a big way whenever his name's been called

 

He's absolutely CRUSHED both picks, so yes, given Beane's hit rate, it's disappointing we don't have a 4th. On the flip side, if there's a guy Beane really wants in the 4th, we can easily maneuver our way back in, I'm sure.

   I fully expected, before the draft, that Beane was going to move as he saw necessary. 
    The moves are going to happen in a certain order. Middle picks to move up in higher rounds, lower picks to move up in middle rounds.

    If there is someone in the fourth that is just a glaring value on Beane’s board I have no doubt he will go get him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    In the last 10 years the Bills have taken 5 players in the fourth round. Often, we have traded this pick in the past.

    Gabriel Davis looks like a stud

    Taron Johnson has been useful

    Cardale Jones???

    Ross Cockrell has a career bouncing around the league….meh.

    DUKE WILLIAMS STONE COLD HALL OF FAME LOCK…. According to the accolades he garners from some on here. 
   
      Apparently, half the posters on here know MORE than Beane and our future has just been destroyed by him working his intel and trading this years 4th.

      Me, I’m going to trust him and our scouting department. Crazy talk I’m sure.

 

Dude, get your Dukes straight.

 

The Duke Williams we drafted in the 2013 4th round was a DB, a safety, and he played for us 4 years, which is OK for a Day 3 pick.

 

What's the point of going back 10 years?  Different Sheriff in charge of the town.   So we can say that in the last 4 years (Beane), he hit it solidly on 2 picks (Davis and Johnson) and traded the pick 2 times.  It's clearly been a valuable pick for us.

 

That said, if Beane and McDermott saw Elam >> Booth (or anyone else left on their board) I'm not gonna quarrel with their assessment.  DB is one position where they seem to know their stuff.

[artmalibu]

If he was the last CB that they had a 1st round grade on how could they not trade up to get him.  

 

Not a reach pick

position of need

Expensive position and  a guy with a 5th year option

 

With a good roster some draft picks could be cut anyway. I would be good if they move up in the 2nd and 3rd to make sure they get the guys they need.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaBu]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

For some reason, the lone guy I equate with the 4th round is Tim Euhus. 

 

I'd forgotten about him, but when I think 4th round Jeff Yeates always comes to mind. He's someone 98% of the people here likely have never heard of. He was a decent d-lineman in the 70's that I remember built swimming pools in the off season. Football careers have changed a bit since then. 

[Alphadawg7]

People need to move on man.  Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels.  

 

I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included.  Then Diggs shut you all up.  Just like Josh Allen shut you all up.  Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him.

 

You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. 

 

Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him.  Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far.  

 

So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come.  And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.  

Edited April 29, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Buffalo Boy]

27 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People need to move on man.  Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels.  

 

I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included.  Then Diggs shut you all up.  Just like Josh Allen shut you all up.  Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him.

 

You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. 

 

Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him.  Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far.  

 

So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come.  And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.  

[JaBu]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People need to move on man.  Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels.  

 

I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included.  Then Diggs shut you all up.  Just like Josh Allen shut you all up.  Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him.

 

You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. 

 

Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him.  Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far.  

 

So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come.  And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.  

 

I totally agree with your sentiment. I think those upset about losing a 4th are stuck in the drought mindset when we were constantly trying to build a decent team. Back then every potential player was needed to try to better the roster. Now, with a built team, it's more important to add that impactful player that they see in reach.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People need to move on man.  Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels.  

 

I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included.  Then Diggs shut you all up.  Just like Josh Allen shut you all up.  Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him.

 

You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. 

 

Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him.  Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far.  

 

So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come.  And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.  

it is super dumb. 
 

if the Bills stood pat, there was a chance Elam would be gone and they would have had to have reached on a player with a second round grade. I would rather them hedging their risk with a 4th round pick than reach for a guy they probably could get in the second round. 

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, JaBu said:

 

I totally agree with your sentiment. I think those upset about losing a 4th are stuck in the drought mindset when we were constantly trying to build a decent team. Back then every potential player was needed to try to better the roster. Now, with a built team, it's more important to add that impactful player that they see in reach.

I doubt they do this,  but I would have zero issue with the Bills only taking 4 players in this draft and using 5,6, 6, 7 to move up. 
 

We took 8 players last year and 2 of them got snatched off the PS squad.  Essentially wasted picks.   This years roster looks even more difficult to make the 53. 
 

 

 

[Poleshifter]

1 hour ago, JaBu said:

 

I'd forgotten about him, but when I think 4th round Jeff Yeates always comes to mind. He's someone 98% of the people here likely have never heard of. He was a decent d-lineman in the 70's that I remember built swimming pools in the off season. Football careers have changed a bit since then. 

Funny you should mention Jeff Yeates. I just read his story in the Cardinal O'Hara HS newsletter.

 

The Bills released him in his 3rd or 4th year, and he went on to greater success with Atlanta's Grits Blitz defense for about 8 more years.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

I believe Cockrell was a give-up by Rex.  He showed a bit of promise, but was not a Rex guy and was shoved out the door.

 

He had some good years in Pittsburgh and got a SB title in Tampa I believe.  His wife is also an Olympian that competed recently if I remember correct.

 

He ended up being a fine pick - just never in Buffalo.

 

 

it is a scheme thing with cockrell. He is a very serviceable zone corner. Can’t really Play man well.  He has had a solid 8-plus year NFL career.

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

The only reason I remember Duke is because of the PI against NE.

 

 

Lol then the arms dangling pout little kids do 😆😆😆 actually a hilarious gif.

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

    In the last 10 years the Bills have taken 5 players in the fourth round. Often, we have traded this pick in the past.

    Gabriel Davis looks like a stud

    Taron Johnson has been useful

    Cardale Jones???

    Ross Cockrell has a career bouncing around the league….meh.

    DUKE WILLIAMS STONE COLD HALL OF FAME LOCK…. According to the accolades he garners from some on here. 
   
      Apparently, half the posters on here know MORE than Beane and our future has just been destroyed by him working his intel and trading this years 4th.

      Me, I’m going to trust him and our scouting department. Crazy talk I’m sure.

 

 

Under this FO, Gabriel Davis and Taron Johnson only, two huge bargain successes.

 

Yeah, we should trust Beane. But yeah, losing a pick hurts, especially when it's in their wheelhouse.

[Airseven]

The Blils have plenty of depth needs and rounds 3-5 are ideal spots to fill them. Depth at IOL is non-existent and obviously RB seems to be a target for them. Depth at Edge is still unproven and the Poyer contract situation looms. They still haven't replaced Klein. 

 

Losing that 4th hurts. ESPECIALLY if they want to go Punter in R5.

[Thurman#1]

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I doubt they do this,  but I would have zero issue with the Bills only taking 4 players in this draft and using 5,6, 6, 7 to move up. 
 

We took 8 players last year and 2 of them got snatched off the PS squad.  Essentially wasted picks.   This years roster looks even more difficult to make the 53. 
 

 

 

 

 

Getting snatched off the PS was not good. But that's quite rare. 

 

And they might eventually be back. More PS guys become useful with the drafting team than get snatched.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

People need to move on man.  Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels.  

 

I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included.  Then Diggs shut you all up.  Just like Josh Allen shut you all up.  Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him.

 

You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. 

 

Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him.  Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far.  

 

So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come.  And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.  

 

 

So, all freakouts are wrong! Gotcha, this totally makes se ... oh, no, it doesn't.

 

First, if this is a freakout, I'd hate to see what you'd call a molehill.

 

Second, people hated it when we brought in Kelvin Benjamin too. Or when we drafted Cody Ford. Sometimes it makes sense.

 

And if you feel people need to move on after eight hours of mild complaints, I'd suggest you take another look at your filter in terms of what people need to do.

 

I don't greatly mind the move. And Beane is a sensational GM. But yeah, losing the pick hurts. People should stop kidding themselves it's nothing. It's not. It's something. we might easily have lost Elam if we hadn't made the trade. Or not. We'll never know. Coming down on one side of that argument, either side, makes sense.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Matt_In_NH]

You might be mixing up two different Duke Williams....

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, Whites Bay said:

This exactly.  Save a 5th and get a punter, bundle everything else and move up.  The Bills have finally built a roster that affords a little bit of "luxury".  Lower-round picks stashed on the Practice Squad are just going to get poached - AGAIN.

“Bundle everything else” is like pulling a few pennies and a lint ball out of your pocket.  The two 6ths and 7th won’t buy much in a trade.

2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I fully expected, before the draft, that Beane was going to move as he saw necessary. 
    The moves are going to happen in a certain order. Middle picks to move up in higher rounds, lower picks to move up in middle rounds.

    If there is someone in the fourth that is just a glaring value on Beane’s board I have no doubt he will go get him.

Except that the Bills don’t have a pick in the 4th.  If they traded their 5th, both 6ths and 7th, it might get them into the bottom 1/3 of the 4th.