iccrewman112 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Edited April 29, 2022 by iccrewman112 1 3 2 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. 8 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. I don’t disagree with anything you said, but I do not see the bills retaining Edmunds after the season. To be it is about the cap more than anything. Trying to look beyond this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) It’s a SB expectation year for he Bills … let Edmunds play it out instead of rolling the dice on a second round rookie… If they then decide to move on then so be it…. Maybe they get a comp pick for him although that doesn’t appear to be a major priority for Beane generally… If he moves on and they get nothing for him in 2023… well.. they will have to suck it up… Edited April 29, 2022 by Aussie Joe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said: I don’t disagree with anything you said, but I do not see the bills retaining Edmunds after the season. To be it is about the cap more than anything. Trying to look beyond this season. We don't know that. All we know is that they haven't extended him yet and want to see how he performs this season in a Contract year. Could we hedge our bets a bit by taking a LB in Round 2? Yes. But that will be in conjunction with Tremaine, not as a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I remember my first drunken draft night post... 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 What team is gonna pay you a premium asset after you've shown your hand and moved up to draft his replacement? It'd be just like the Baker situation in Cleveland, teams would just wait you out. Regardless, the Bills are really high on Edmunds, even if the fans are so-so. I think he's proven to be a solid starting LB and a decent enough signal caller. He's not going anywhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. You do know that's not a three-team deal, right? It's two deals, each involving two teams. Neither one of which stands more than about a 2% chance of happening, not to mention that Dean, while a good LB, doesn't appear to be what the Bills want at MLB. Edited April 29, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: You do know that's not a three-team deal, right? It's two deals, each involving two teams. Neither one of which stands more than about a 2% chance of happening, not to mention that Dean, while a good LB, doesn't appear to be what the Bills want at MLB. C’mon, man. That’s mafia-math. We’re outrageous, but we ain’t bright🤷♂️🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. Well said! I dont get the Edmunds hate. Or the love for Breece Hall. But if Beane had traded down,grabbed an extra pick, I would have been OK with using it for Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. I think his role as 'signal caller' is overrated. It's more about his placement in the middle of the defense than his acumen as a defensive genius. He's in the best position on that side of the ball to relay signals to the rest of the defense. I suspect he's mostly the proxy mouthpiece from the D Coordinator who radios signals to him. If Edmunds was that knowledgeable about defensive schemes, I doubt he'd be getting burned and out of position as he often is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: I don’t disagree with anything you said, but I do not see the bills retaining Edmunds after the season. To be it is about the cap more than anything. Trying to look beyond this season. I could see Edmunds getting the Franchise tag if he does not take leap this year and team is uncertain about paying him long term. If team decides to move him it probably won’t be till next offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: It’s a SB expectation year for he Bills … let Edmunds play it out instead of rolling the dice on a second round rookie… If they then decide to move on then so be it…. Maybe they get a comp pick for him although that doesn’t appear to be a major priority for Beane generally… If he moves on and they get nothing for him in 2023… well.. they will have to suck it up… Edmunds isn’t the difference between us winning a Super Bowl or not. If we roll with him, I want him re-signed. Absolutely hate the idea of playing a rental year with a former RD1 pick who likely has substantial trade value, ie a pick tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 This guy said that he couldn't wait to work with Edmunds. I'm off the hate train until he says so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 6 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Why would they opt for Dean when they passed on Devin Lloyd? Then they could have moved Edmunds to get HALL or the best available corner early in the 2nd. Elam is not a difference maker. The Bills have Edmunds on his rookie contract this year. He's staying and my prediction is he gets extended. He's the best option for our SB chase this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I love reading these massively absurd trade scenarios, do folk really think that this stuff is gonna actually happen??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 6 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. While I dont like this particular scenario, I do think Beane will do a player-for-picks deal to add a 2nd or 3rd rounder. e.g. we have too many DEs and Rousseau, Miller and Lawson are locks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: C’mon, man. That’s mafia-math. We’re outrageous, but we ain’t bright🤷♂️🤦♂️ We need a "Burn" or and "Ouch" emoji added. Some of these draft posts...thank heavens it's finally here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. Which one was that? Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said: Why would they opt for Dean when they passed on Devin Lloyd? Then they could have moved Edmunds to get HALL or the best available corner early in the 2nd. Elam is not a difference maker. The Bills have Edmunds on his rookie contract this year. He's staying and my prediction is he gets extended. He's the best option for our SB chase this year. Better hope Elam IS a difference-maker if he has to fill in for Tre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. While I don't think we trade Edmunds and I actually like Edmunds...I'd be all over this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamptonBillsfan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Georgie said: Better hope Elam IS a difference-maker if he has to fill in for Tre He didn't exactly distinguish his dominance in the SEC, but maybe they'll coach him up like they did with Levi. We can always hope. I still think Beane pulls the trigger on Haden or another FA before the camps start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Edmunds isn’t the difference between us winning a Super Bowl or not. If we roll with him, I want him re-signed. Absolutely hate the idea of playing a rental year with a former RD1 pick who likely has substantial trade value, ie a pick tonight. No but the unproven Round 2 Rookie you are replacing him with might be the reason why you don’t win or even make the SB.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: No but the unproven Round 2 Rookie you are replacing him with might be the reason why you don’t win or even make the SB.. I refuse to accept this argument. Our defense has an absurd amount of talent on it. Poyer & Hyde at Safety. White, Elam and Johnson at Cornerback. We still have Milano at LB. Miller, Rousseau, Oliver etc on the DL Come on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, SCBills said: I refuse to accept this argument. Our defense has an absurd amount of talent on it. Poyer & Hyde at Safety. White, Elam and Johnson at Cornerback. We still have Milano at LB. Miller, Rousseau, Oliver etc on the DL Come on.. Well… don’t accept it … I don’t see him getting traded tonight though,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 May as well post: "I have no understanding how this Bills regime works." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankeous Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. See? Don’t do drugs, kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 This is the GREATEST thread of the last few weeks. It combines the wonderful worlds of "Can we talk about Tremaine Edmunds" and "Breece Hall Please!!" in one fellow swoop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I love reading these massively absurd trade scenarios, do folk really think that this stuff is gonna actually happen??? They always over valuing the Bills player getting traded. They Never consider the contracts. What could go wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Dean is a 225 pound hybrid LB. Makes no sense 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Dean is a 225 pound hybrid LB. Makes no sense 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Dean is a 225 pound hybrid LB. Makes no sense 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Dean is a 225 pound hybrid LB. Makes no sense 8 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: Trade up and draft Nakobe Dean from Georgia. Presto LB of the future. Once that deal is secure… Find a trade partner for Tremaine Edmunds (mid second rounder) hopefully an NFC team, and use the pick for Breece Hall. i don’t have positional needs and charts in front of me but this would help the cap this year and years moving forward as well as solidify the backfield. Dean is a 225 pound hybrid LB. Makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Now the focus should shift to WR and OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I could see them trying to do what Tenn did with Brown and trading the player for the pick to replace him. I like that move, replace a contract and in theory get better in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted April 29, 2022 Author Share Posted April 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I could see them trying to do what Tenn did with Brown and trading the player for the pick to replace him. I like that move, replace a contract and in theory get better in the process. this is precisely my point. It’s less about edmunds the player and more about player control and salary cap flexibility. think about the ravens… they draft Hollywood Brown get 3 years of service from him and then trade him for a 1st rounder. Talk about value. Similar with Edmunds just not as high replacement pick value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Which one was that? Interesting The DT he played with at Virginia Tech? Tim Settle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 hours ago, billieve420 said: I could see Edmunds getting the Franchise tag if he does not take leap this year and team is uncertain about paying him long term. If team decides to move him it probably won’t be till next offseason. Why would you bother franchise tagging him if he doesn't take a leap in performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Tremaine Edmunds isn't going to be traded. Regardless of how you feel of his play (which isn't as bad as some of you posters make it seem), he's the signal caller of the #1 Defense in the league for years running. We're not going to disrupt the flow of this Defense in this important season by hoping that a 2nd Round pick is going to not only cause us to miss a step in his Rookie season, but make it perform better. They vastly improved the Defensive Line in front of him. They brought in the DT he played with in College. This wasn't just a coincidence. They want to see if it'll pay dividends for Tremaine. He's going to get this season. It's time to let it go. I agree he will be here this year; doesn't mean we have to "let it go." He's not beyond criticism simply b/c the organization has decided to double down on the mistake of drafting him. That's a common front office move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I agree he will be here this year; doesn't mean we have to "let it go." He's not beyond criticism simply b/c the organization has decided to double down on the mistake of drafting him. That's a common front office move. "Let it go" as in continuing to make posts about us trading him this offseason. It's not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Stat guys can quote all the numbers they want. This defense has come up extremely small 2 years in a row when it mattered most. If it happens a third year in a row I can’t imagine Frazier, Edmunds or maybe even McDermott survive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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