Last 3 great comebacks by Josh...let's hope Von can give us a different result.

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

True and I don't think McDermott will get fired. My point is simply that questions will start to come up if he can be the coach to win a championship if he fails to do so this year with this roster. This will be year 6 for him not 2 or 3. At some point the Pegula's patience will run out.

I am sure the Pegulas are already sick and tired of being a perennial contender. 

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, BigDingus said:

 

I don't think this is a fair assesment at all. 

 

Our offense (including Josh), did next to nothing against Tampa for the first half of the game. The defense played just as much of a part in helping us comeback at all. Against the Cardinals, Josh wasn't great either. We scored with seconds left for what looked like the go-ahead TD, but it was a very mediocre showing (2 TD's - 2 INT's, averaging 5 yards an attempt on nearly 50 passes, 77 passer rating, etc)... 

 

Defense gave up a Hail Mary which upset us all, but the only game I feel the D "filed him & team" was KC. In the other losses, the team - including Josh - failed EACH OTHER in many aspects. Play a cleaner game or more complete game from start to finish & we wouldn't need to make up a huge deficit to avoid a blowout or be within range of losing via Hail Mary. 

 

Von Miller can only do so much, same as anyone. There will be times the defense plays poorly, there will be times Josh & the offense play poorly, and there will even be times ST will be what costs us. You can only hope it all comes together more often than not & we're firing on all cylinders come playoff time.

 

And the faliure in KC was coaching.  They kicked it through the endzone and then defended the sidelines/hail mary.  "The call did not get to Bass"?  I really think they got caught up in the excitement of the moment.  I dont think that will happen ever again.

[AmishRifle]

There is no way that the Head Ball Coach gets fired anytime soon!

 

Personally, I think there is truth in the sentiment that our D fails us against offensively capable teams in tight contests.  There is a capability gap that exists somewhere between the defensive concept that we play and quality of athletes that we have to make negative plays like sacks, tackles for loss, and general chaos.  I don’t know what the answer is but they need to figure it out if they want to get to and win a Super Bowl.  
 

The last thing I’ll say is that we are all assuming that everything will be the same on offense since we have Josh.  That’s a nice thought, but I personally fear the transition to a new OC.  Things are going to change and it might not be what you think it is.  We’re assuming!

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they both failed in OT against Bucs… the offense went 3 and out their first position of OT. 

Can McDermott's defense make a big stop in a big game? His mentality has to be more aggressive, more proactive as opposed to reactive. His players play really hard for him, but Frazier/Sean have to show teams that they can be more dynamic instead of sitting back and trying to hold teams to FGs.

[TBBills]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

April and the trolls already want to put McDermott on the hot seat.

[Buffalo03]

3 hours ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

I agree. If we don't get to the Super Bowl this year then we need to get Rich Kotite off the couch. It's as simple as that

[The Jokeman]

43 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

True and I don't think McDermott will get fired. My point is simply that questions will start to come up if he can be the coach to win a championship if he fails to do so this year with this roster. This will be year 6 for him not 2 or 3. At some point the Pegula's patience will run out.

Andy Reid won a Superbowl in his 7th year in KC. McDermott is safe unless we start missing the playoffs in consecutive years.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

You can easily make an argument the offensive line still hasn’t been sufficiently upgraded…

I guess that is a matter of perspective and of course we will have to see. Saffold should be an upgrade over the starters at guard last year.  But your point is well taken at RT. Brown struggled in pass protection.  If he gets better they should be ok but that is a question mark. 

I hope they take an OT that can play OG in the first three rounds.  That would give them options if Brown struggles.  They really don't have a capable swing tackle on the roster now.   I don't see Doyle as a long term option as even a swing tackle. He looked awful last year.  But who knows maybe he can get better too. 

[TBBills]

These aren't the last 3 great comebacks but they are the ones you CHOSE to use.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

While I am skeptical McD will ever win a SB, I agree he is not going anywhere in the next two years.  Even if the wheels fell off and the Bills missed the playoffs this year, he likely comes back. 

McD just has unforgivable losses for me that question if he will ever get a SB win.  Peterman starting on the road against the Chargers. Losing to the Patriots at home when the opposing QB throws three times.  Not having his team ready to play the season opener against Pittsburgh.  The Houston playoff game, and of course the 13 second nightmare.  
Again, he is not going anywhere this year even if there is locker room turmoil.  But if no SB win in the next two years with Allen how could he not be on the hot seat?  Almost all other coaches would be.  

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

Says who. Gase was hired first by the Jets and he was instrumental in the Jets hiring Joe Douglas as the GM. Douglas is still the GM. Is Gase still the Jets coach? I am not saying McDermott gets fired if the Bills don't win the Super Bowl. But I do think his seat gets hot as far as questions will start to come about if he can be the guy to lead the Bills to a championship. This will be year 6 of McDermott. At some point he has to produce.

I get the SB or bust line of thinking, I really do. But to characterize McD as not having produced enough to keep his seat ‘cool’ would be an oversimplification imho. But I’m still looking at it from the relative standpoint of the bitter drought era, so…

[Patrick Duffy]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On this I am not persuaded that the reason we were not hosting the entire post-season in Buffalo last year - the offensive line - has been upgraded or certainly not sufficiently so. If the oline lets the team down again then I think that would be a personnel issue not a coaching one. I take the point that even with that line we should have beaten KC but for 13 seconds, but it is a combination of those things. 

Yeah that would be my assumption as well. I believe they will still add maybe a couple more additions to the OL draft/FA. I will say I do have more confidence with Kromer (as I'm sure many are as well) that we will see improvement in that area. At least I think they will start off the season much better than what we saw last year.

 

But yeah, if some reason they don't at least continue where they left off last quarter of previous season then it's likely personnel.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, phypon said:

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

Did you watch Payton's retirement press conference? Dude is done. He looked like he lost all of his fire for coaching. You want a guy like that in here? 

 

 

[What a Tuel]

4 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

It's honestly so sad to me how hard he and the offense fought to win those games, only to be let down. That's why 40 is here. 💯 

 

It is brutal. He was sitting on that bench thinking he got it done. Just brutal. Has to be crushing but he will bounce back.

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Did you watch Payton's retirement press conference? Dude is done. He looked like he lost all of his fire for coaching. You want a guy like that in here? 

 

 

Yeah, I may be in the minority here, but I felt like S. Payton was/is a little over rated imo. Don't get me wrong, I do think he was a decent HC....but I just feel like he's been given a little more credit than he should have gotten by many.

 

 

[What a Tuel]

2 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah, I may be in the minority here, but I felt like S. Payton was/is a little over rated imo. Don't get me wrong, I do think he was a decent HC....but I just feel like he's been given a little more credit than he should have gotten by many.

 

 

 

Outside of a single super bowl season, he has arguably been equal or worse than McDermott in the post season. Not to mention he had a 5 year veteran Brees when he started as opposed to McDermott with Taylor for a year and rookie Josh Allen for another.

 

So yes of course super bowl win trumps all but the guy couldnt get back to it in 11 years afterwards with Drew Brees at QB. 

 

Why do people think super bowl is the rule for him as opposed to the exception and that we are any more likely to get there with him over McDermott?

 

First 5 seasons - Payton

1-1 Loss NFCCG

No Playoffs

No Playoffs

Super Bowl win

0-1 Loss Wildcard

 

First 5 Seasons - McDermott

0-1 Loss Wildcard

No Playoffs

0-1 Loss Wildcard

2-1 Loss AFCCG

1-1 Loss Divisional

 

[phypon]

34 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Did you watch Payton's retirement press conference? Dude is done. He looked like he lost all of his fire for coaching. You want a guy like that in here? 

 

 

I think you're missing the point and the point of the person that I agreed with.  Me nor the other person is pining for or saying that we want Payton.  Get a grip, man.

[Hebert19]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they both failed in OT against Bucs… the offense went 3 and out their first position of OT. 

True but they did score 24 points in the second to get them into OT.  Keeping thay roll going isn't easy. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Outside of a single super bowl season, he has arguably been equal or worse than McDermott in the post season. Not to mention he had a 5 year veteran Brees when he started as opposed to McDermott with Taylor for a year and rookie Josh Allen for another.

 

So yes of course super bowl win trumps all but the guy couldnt get back to it in 11 years afterwards with Drew Brees at QB. 

 

Why do people think super bowl is the rule for him as opposed to the exception and that we are any more likely to get there with him over McDermott?

 

First 5 seasons - Payton

1-1 Loss NFCCG

No Playoffs

No Playoffs

Super Bowl win

0-1 Loss Wildcard

 

First 5 Seasons - McDermott

0-1 Loss Wildcard

No Playoffs

0-1 Loss Wildcard

2-1 Loss AFCCG

1-1 Loss Divisional

 

Yeah that's about where I'm at. Having Brees all those years certainly makes things a bit easier (as it would with any HC)...

 

But yeah, I just feel like he's gotten a bit too much credit. I think it mainly is from when he called the onside kick and got lucky in that Super Bowl. Outside of that he didn't do much else.

 

Considering the amount of talent on that teams roster he's had multiple years, they got many regular season wins that put them in position of being a top seed for post season so many times only to do nothing with it. They would look like a completely different team when playoffs started and knocked out early at times. 

 

Anyways, he's just nothing special imo

[Buffalo Boy]

6 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

Where’s the lie🧐

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Except I never said they ignored offense…. I said they prioritize their defense over offense….. and the coaching staffs conservative play calls offensively is what got them into a 9 point deficit against KC.

My bad, not sure how I could’ve missed that considering that you’ve made that same point evident in 99% of your posts over the last few months.   
 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

My bad, not sure how I could’ve missed that considering that you’ve made that same point evident in 99% of your posts over the last few months.   
 

 

Lol, he won't know how to act if they go Offense in 1st round this time

[Captain Hindsight]

4 hours ago, phypon said:

I would take Payton over McD if McD doesn't show game management progress next year.  Yes, a small upgrade makes a big difference.  Love what McD has done to the "culture" here, but this past season/offseason has raised some eyebrows.  I know there are only rumors, but it seems some players and coaches have clashed with him.  Players and coaches have wanted out on a team with huge upside, that says something.  

 

The NFL is a business, and there is no reason why anyone should be "safe".  If McD can't deliver, get someone who can.  It's that simple.  I don't care how close he is to ultimate success.  Players have to prove it, so do coaches.  Don't get too attached to a coach.

 

1 hour ago, phypon said:

I think you're missing the point and the point of the person that I agreed with.  Me nor the other person is pining for or saying that we want Payton.  Get a grip, man.

Get a grip? Calm down Francis. I replied to you saying "I would take Payton over McD..." with my reasoning of why I wouldn't. 

 

So what exactly was your point? Since I so clearly missed it by reading you would would SP or McD

[billybrew1]

7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

There is zero chance McDermott is on the hot seat after this year. Beane and McDermott are a package deal, letting go of one means letting both go. Pegula wouldn't be that stupid (I hope)

You never know. How good is this DL going to be? How much better is our secondary going to be? All we can say is we’ll see…

I’ll tell ya, if that DL (and in turn, the whole defense) bombs fans are going to be asking tons of questions….

Now, I don’t think it’s going to bomb, but it might not be much better than last year’s and a lot of fans might consider that a bomb…

We haven’t had a good DL since McBeane lost Kyle and Jerry got too old….which was the same time….

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On this I am not persuaded that the reason we were not hosting the entire post-season in Buffalo last year - the offensive line - has been upgraded or certainly not sufficiently so. If the oline lets the team down again then I think that would be a personnel issue not a coaching one. I take the point that even with that line we should have beaten KC but for 13 seconds, but it is a combination of those things. 

It was a coaching decision to run a more balanced gap/zone percentage toward the end of the year which coincided with the running game improving. Similarly it was the coaches who set the initial depth at oline and were only forced into a different lineup by injury…also coincided with immediately better pass protection. 
 

For two years running now Beane has outperformed McDermott imo

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season. 

 

Obviously we all do not think highly of the Defense and you are one of them.

 

There are plenty of times when offense went into pop gun road and defense needed to make plays to keep team in games.

A good example is playoff game vs Ravens where Trent Murphy neutralized Lemur Jackson on half of the field and Taron Johnson put nail in coffin.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It was a coaching decision to run a more balanced gap/zone percentage toward the end of the year which coincided with the running game improving. Similarly it was the coaches who set the initial depth at oline and were only forced into a different lineup by injury…also coincided with immediately better pass protection. 
 

For two years running now Beane has outperformed McDermott imo

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

All those combined don’t come close to losing to the Urban Meyer led Jaguars, which cost HFA and likely a Super Bowl.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

All those combined don’t come close to losing to the Urban Meyer led Jaguars, which cost HFA and likely a Super Bowl.

 

Which was an absolute abomination of a display from the personnel Beane had collected - particularly the offensive line. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Which was an absolute abomination of a display from the personnel Beane had collected - particularly the offensive line. 

Again, those pieces were able to perform above average both in pass pro and run block later in the year. It wasn’t magic. We lost to the Jags because of poor coaching.

 

 

[GoBills808]

Are you seriously trying to argue it’s Beane’s job to make sure the players play well enough to beat the Jags😂😂🤦‍♂️

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he did last year. He paid a RT who struggled so poorly they had to move him to guard. He paid a guard who was an absolute abomination and lost his job. He then had to cut both at the end of the year. He paid $6m for a washed up receiver. He restructured Butler rather than releasing him and he got outplayed by a former UDFA. He signed a punter who can't punt. He drafted a guy in round two who could barely get on the field. 

 

It wasn't all bad. But I wouldn't give Beane better than a C for 2021. He was an A for 2020 overall in my eyes, but I think his work last year left something to be desired. Beane is at his best when at his boldest IMO. When he gets conservative and sticks with what he knows he generally makes poorer decisions. I like that he has been bolder this offseason. That generally serves him well. 

Were those your takes last off-season?  I agree this off-season's moves seem better than last year's but I didn't have an issue with most of last year's decisions before the season began. 

Williams played very well at RT in 2020 and I think most thought it was a good move to bring him back.

Sanders was second on the team in receiving yards and 3rd in receptions in only 14 games.  He also had the second highest YPC at 14.9 - 3 more than Diggs.  $6M for 42 receptions is a lot but hardly a terrible deal.  Oh my I almost hit Submit Reply before checking myself. The NFL page with the WR stats for Bills in 2021 no longer lists Beasley.  Factoring Beasley's numbers, Sanders was 4th in receptions and 3rd in yards but he played 2 fewer games.   

As for Feliciano, that is as much on McD as it is on Beane.  Bates was the better player and it should have been known by the coaching staff before they decided to bring back Feliciano.  Ford being a bust is holding back the OL more than the money they spent on Feliciano.

100% agree on Butler and Haack.  Butler could have been cut and brought back on vet min salary or just replaced with an UDFA.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Were those your takes last off-season?  I agree this off-season's moves seem better than last year's but I didn't have an issue with most of last year's decisions before the season began. 

Williams played very well at RT in 2020 and I think most thought it was a good move to bring him back.

Sanders was second on the team in receiving yards and 3rd in receptions in only 14 games.  He also had the second highest YPC at 14.9 - 3 more than Diggs.  $6M for 42 receptions is a lot but hardly a terrible deal.  Oh my I almost hit Submit Reply before checking myself. The NFL page with the WR stats for Bills in 2021 no longer lists Beasley.  Factoring Beasley's numbers, Sanders was 4th in receptions and 3rd in yards but he played 2 fewer games.   

As for Feliciano, that is as much on McD as it is on Beane.  Bates was the better player and it should have been known by the coaching staff before they decided to bring back Feliciano.  Ford being a bust is holding back the OL more than the money they spent on Feliciano.

100% agree on Butler and Haack.  Butler could have been cut and brought back on vet min salary or just replaced with an UDFA.  

 

The only one of those decisions I liked at the time was Williams. I was against the rest of them. 

[Dr. K]

9 hours ago, Greg S said:

I think McDermott goes on the hot seat if this team doesn't at least get to the Super Bowl. They have the talent to win it. The Miller signing is a "final piece" kind of move. I give McDermott credit for changing the culture of this franchise. I give him credit for 4 playoff appearances in 5 years as well as B2B AFCE titles. But that isn't good enough anymore. The Pegula's have spent a lot money and Beane has given him a roster he should win with. Its time to see the results. To me this is a Super Bowl or bust type of season. I know it won't be easy as the AFC is loaded with good teams/QB's. But if this team can stay healthy then they should be playing in Feb. IMHO

I'm an old dude. I remember back in the day after the Bills lost their third Super Bowl, by increasingly bigger margins, that Ralph firing the GM Polian rather than coach Marv Levy was stupid. I liked Marv, but still, that Bills team was rife with star players. If Marv couldn't win the SB with that roster, it made more sense to fire him than fire the man who built the roster. 

[phypon]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

 

Get a grip? Calm down Francis. I replied to you saying "I would take Payton over McD..." with my reasoning of why I wouldn't. 

 

So what exactly was your point? Since I so clearly missed it by reading you would would SP or McD

That it's not about Payton, Francis.  Duh!!  Payton has nothing to do with the point, he was an example.  Get it now?  Prob not...

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Again, those pieces were able to perform above average both in pass pro and run block later in the year. It wasn’t magic. We lost to the Jags because of poor coaching.

 

 

I'm not going to sit here and say coaching didn't play a part in it, but the way that game went it kinda made me think it looked as if it may have been one of those instances where Bills could have overlooked the Jags a little. I'm sure it was other things to place blame as it always is.

 

But that's just what I got from it as well. 

[Big Blitz]

8 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm not going to sit here and say coaching didn't play a part in it, but the way that game went it kinda made me think it looked as if it may have been one of those instances where Bills could have overlooked the Jags a little. I'm sure it was other things to place blame as it always is.

 

But that's just what I got from it as well. 

 

 

Because Jacksonville is actually good - I think people are missing this from that game. 

 

Their D was sneaky good.  

 

Terrible against the run - good against the pass. 

 

At the time we couldn't run the ball.  Or pass block well.  And the Jags felt they were playing their SB.  

 

It looked like the Pittsburgh game but also with like 12 penalties for 130 yards.

Edited April 19, 2022 by Big Blitz

[billybrew1]

It’s has to be Von, Ed, Tim and Groot backed up by AJ, Phillips, Jones and Boogie…. For certain, Von can’t do things by himself anymore. If the whole plays very good and we avoid major injuries I think we win a Super Bowl after all these years….

If not, the odds drop considerably, imho…. The DL is that important. And it’s on the whole line, not just Von, absolutely.

[T master]

10 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

That would be up to Beane and the Pegula's. But if you want a name then Sean Payton is available just as an example. I don't want McDermott fired but he has to produce with the roster he has. Coaches are in the business of winning and if you don't win then you know what happens. The Bills aren't rebuilding anymore. They are expected to win and compete for a Super Bowl. The pressure is on McDermott this season bigtime. Both from the local/national media and the fanbase.

 

I get it but what part of winning is interpreted as bad ? They have won the east what 2 years in a row been to the AFC championship game & were 1 game away last year & most know if not for for the coin toss it would have been a entirely different season .

 

So with that seeing as they are a team now that is always in the play off hunt & win enough to be a part of that after only 3 years of winning like they have why would you want to get rid of him IMHO that makes no sense what so ever .

 

Look at the Steelers they keep their head coaches & despite Tomlin not having good years they don't just get rid of him because he is a winner and a really good coach so do we go back to the old Bills ways & fire every coach after 4 years that doesn't do well or do we take a page from the Steelers & keep our coach while winning & continue with the stability .

 

I will vote after the many years of the Bills not being relevant to keep a really good coach & go into the future with what we have as a HC & let him determine the path & i hope the Pegs think the same way because they have been changing coaches on the Sabres & that's not been good for the team so they have something to compare to . 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

1.   KC.  We know what happened there.  D failed him and team.  

2.   Tampa.  We know what happened there...D failed in crunch time in OT

3.   Cardinals.  Shocker but D failed him.  

 

I know we all think highly of the D but when they are in tight against a good team, they play more like a bottom 10 D.   Against Indy in playoffs they almost blew that too.  Houston all the way back to 2019 season.  Same.  

 

Let's hope Von can help us close games out.  

Include the game against the Titans too....The Defense gave away 10 points in the 4th quarter including a go ahead TD. 

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Because Jacksonville is actually good - I think people are missing this from that game. 

 

Their D was sneaky good.  

 

Terrible against the run - good against the pass. 

 

At the time we couldn't run the ball.  Or pass block well.  And the Jags felt they were playing their SB.  

 

It looked like the Pittsburgh game but also with like 12 penalties for 130 yards.

The other Josh Allen had a helluva game that day