MrEpsYtown Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Not sure what he and Hopkins were doing on that play. Looked like Hopkins was going left all the way. Spain should have known he was getting help from the center. When Spain let Donald take that outside rush he couldn’t get help anymore as Hopkins was gonna be too late. Just looks like a big screw up. Maybe they called a slide to the right with that walk up blitzer and Hopkins went left when he saw the blitzer bail out. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 This is neither here nor there, but who did we have starting at guard when we played the Rams last year? Feliciano and Ford? I just remember Allen got blown up and injured on a sack by Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It shows enormous (Ha!) lack of self-awareness. Your team just lost the Superbowl, and part of the "L" was having your "Comeback Player of the Year" QB take 7 sacks on his reconstructed knee, and injure his knee to boot. This is NOT the right time to be chirping with someone on twitter and calling them "a B word on the field and off the field" Just log out. Exactly. He believes the Bengals made the Super Bowl because of him...not in spite of him. Unless the Bengals do something un-Bengal-like and invest in that line Joe Burrow may well end up this generation's David Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 He's better than any of the G's on our current roster. His release was a mistake unless there's more to this. 1 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, GreggTX said: He's better than any of the G's on our current roster. His release was a mistake unless there's more to this. Opinions on that point appear to vary 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, GreggTX said: He's better than any of the G's on our current roster. His release was a mistake unless there's more to this. Was it? And I’d take Bates over him. The bigger mistake was waiting so long to start him. But LG isn’t the reason the Bills didn’t advance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Congratulations, you are part of the O-line that is going to get Joe Burrow killed. I am glad you had any opportunity to continue your career somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 30 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: This is neither here nor there, but who did we have starting at guard when we played the Rams last year? Feliciano and Ford? I just remember Allen got blown up and injured on a sack by Donald. Allen not injured in 2020 Rams game. Starting G were Ford and Winters. Pretty sure Donald lined up over Winters, who was flagged for holding and illegal block several times. That was the game where Allen got an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty after an uncalled face-mask, horsecollar tackle, and strip sack by Donald. He later got a facemask penalty called on him - the play by play does NOT adequately describe the mayhem of that down. You may be thinking of Joey Bosa in Chargers game, who tackled Josh outside the pocket and corkscrewed him down, injuring his knee (thankfully, not badly) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Spain was a weird situation, almost like Feliciano. When McBeane pays a guard it's a job killer. The second a guard gets paid here his time with the team as a true contributor is just about over. It's really odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FLFan Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Gee. Spain gets turnstiles on the most critical play in the game, yet it is everyone else’s fault. He played a good game, he says, except for the critical play that cost his team the game. I can’t imagine why the Bills cut him with that attitude. He is probably out of football next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 That's the problem with ALL offensive line though. A screwup is highly visible and often catastrophic for the play. Yes he got crushed, but to be fair, it was against the greatest defensive lineman if football. I think it's pretty clear that Spain was emotionally unstable enough to be counted on, so we moved on from him. I'm okay with that. He's an NFL caliber guard, maybe a little below average. But he's still better than Winters, Boettger or Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen not injured in 2020 Rams game. Starting G were Ford and Winters. Pretty sure Donald lined up over Winters, who was flagged for holding and illegal block several times. That was the game where Allen got an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty after an uncalled face-mask, horsecollar tackle, and strip sack by Donald. He later got a facemask penalty called on him - the play by play does NOT adequately describe the mayhem of that down. You may be thinking of Joey Bosa in Chargers game, who tackled Josh outside the pocket and corkscrewed him down, injuring his knee (thankfully, not badly) Excellent use of the word "mayhem". The b*tch-slap Josh gave two Ram D-linemen on that play will always be my favorite moment of our Josh Allen experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 21 hours ago, syhuang said: Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open? You mean *best CB in the league* Jalen Ramsey? Dude was getting burned all day 😀 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It shows enormous (Ha!) lack of self-awareness. Your team just lost the Superbowl, and part of the "L" was having your "Comeback Player of the Year" QB take 7 sacks on his reconstructed knee, and injure his knee to boot. This is NOT the right time to be chirping with someone on twitter and calling them "a B word on the field and off the field" Just log out. I saw him get hurt and he did come back in and was fairly ineffective and dint put much strain on it. How badly did he get hurt, haven't heard anything. As for Spain that interview and the puerile back and forth with Simmons makes me happy he is not a Bill, he seems lie the antithesis of a "process guy" No shock he and McD didnt get along. 22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen not injured in 2020 Rams game. Starting G were Ford and Winters. Pretty sure Donald lined up over Winters, who was flagged for holding and illegal block several times. That was the game where Allen got an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty after an uncalled face-mask, horsecollar tackle, and strip sack by Donald. He later got a facemask penalty called on him - the play by play does NOT adequately describe the mayhem of that down. You may be thinking of Joey Bosa in Chargers game, who tackled Josh outside the pocket and corkscrewed him down, injuring his knee (thankfully, not badly) Was that the play Bosa keep saying he didnt mean to hurt Josh, something like that is not who I am type dialogue after the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Good thing Russell Wilson doesn't have Spain's attitude, or he could have taken to twitter after the Seattle/NE SB and said "I throw ONE interception all game and people act like NE did something!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open? I think Jalen Ramsey was getting some OPI assistance in that falling down bit. One was a flagrent face mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I saw him get hurt and he did come back in and was fairly ineffective and dint put much strain on it. How badly did he get hurt, haven't heard anything. The reports out there are that it's a sprain, he'll have to rehab, but he won't need surgery. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bengals-joe-burrow-wont-need-knee-surgery-after-suffering-injury-in-super-bowl-vs-rams-per-report/ 56 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Was that the play Bosa keep saying he didnt mean to hurt Josh, something like that is not who I am type dialogue after the play. Yep, that's the one. Bosa kept babbling to the Bills OL about how he wasn't trying to hurt him, I don't do that *****, what do you expect me to do, I was just trying to tackle him, he's huge. Meanwhile the Bills OL are all just standing there, looming over him, looking. Finally Feliciano said "you're OK" and Bosa stopped yapping like his vocal cords were unplugged. Except for the concern about Josh being injured, it was pretty funny. It seemed clear Bosa was less concerned for Josh and more concerned for his testicular integrity during the next pile-up, if the Bills thought he'd done Josh dirty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: Is it me or did it seem like Jalen Ramsey was falling down constantly and letting guys get wide open? It's the same thing every time I watch him. He's probably the most overrated player in the NFL 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 4:52 PM, Process said: There was some mystery surrounding his release when it happened. Sounds like he got his feelings hurt and couldn't handle a little competition. Because you sucked and still are for the Bengals giving up 70 sacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Mark Long Beach said: That's the problem with ALL offensive line though. A screwup is highly visible and often catastrophic for the play. Yes he got crushed, but to be fair, it was against the greatest defensive lineman if football. I think it's pretty clear that Spain was emotionally unstable enough to be counted on, so we moved on from him. I'm okay with that. He's an NFL caliber guard, maybe a little below average. But he's still better than Winters, Boettger or Ford. Over on the Bengals board they want to blow the OL up completely. All players can go except for Jonah Williams and… Spain (!) They seem to like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 6:35 PM, syhuang said: SUPER ALLEN 💪💪 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I wonder if that’s why the Bills let Spain go? He can’t accept responsibility!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wonder if that’s why the Bills let Spain go? He can’t accept responsibility!! There is definitely some smoke there. Even though he graded out well with the Titans, they had no interest in re-signing him. Goes to free agency, complete crickets and has to accept a very low offer from the Bills. Plays well, and gets an extension and they dump him like it’s nothing. Now the Bengals are probably going to look for an upgrade and I expect Spain to have a pretty cold UFA again as everyone is going to remember that last play against Donald. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wonder if that’s why the Bills let Spain go? He can’t accept responsibility!! Spain got destroyed on the last 2 plays of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wonder if that’s why the Bills let Spain go? He can’t accept responsibility!! I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Spain is/was not a process guy, which is odd, because the chip he carries on his shoulder (“Mr. Undrafted”) should make him the kind of guy who typically fits in well with the Bills’ culture. But no, it turns out he’s just a “me first” dude who can’t look at himself in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 12:45 PM, GunnerBill said: I just think relying on the final 5 games and standing pat would be a mistake. They have to be aggressive in improving the line this offseason IMO. They did play better down the stretch, no question. But I don't think it is a big enough sample size to say "okay we are good here." The line cost us wins in 2021. That can't happen again. It was not entirely the talent but large number of linemen out for preventable medical issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It was not entirely the talent but large number of linemen out for preventable medical issue. There were lots of factors but saying "oh they played better at the end of the year, we don't need to be aggressive upgrading there" would be foolish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: There were lots of factors but saying "oh they played better at the end of the year, we don't need to be aggressive upgrading there" would be foolish. Beane seems to know it........he put protecting Josh at the top of his priority list to the media. We the fans might be a lot higher on Bates than they are too. Not that they won't give him the high tender but I think it's clear they saw him more as a center long term and if Morse doesn't retire I don't think it's a given that he and Williams get their jobs handed back to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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