Mike McDaniel hired as HC by Miami

[BuffaloBillyG]

31 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Unless there are criminal charges, yes he will. 

From what I have seen, that aspect is still in the air.

 

However, if he makes it all go away from paying the 18 of 22 that are reported to be ready to settle...the stink will linger.

 

If a team wants to make a move for him and invest what the Texans are reportedly asking it's a nightmare for the league and most importantly, it's sponsors. 

 

Right now the LAST thing the NFL needs is more national controversy. 

[Jim Bob]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2022/02/08/mike-mcdaniel-miami-dolphins-coach-black/6691026001/

 

That was a really interesting article.

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Jim Bob

[FilthyBeast]

I'll be honest this move is a bit perplexing because it seems like a retread may have been the better option for Miami given they are essentially set up to win now with their talented roster and all the other assets they have in cap room and draft picks.

 

But apparently McDaniel is pretty highly regarded so will be interesting to see what happens there even though they are still chasing both the Bills and Pats at the moment.

[BuffaloBillyG]

McDaniel's 1st call to Tua. For those that raised questions about interpersonal skills...

 

 

[Mattymafia]

Props on hiring a person of color!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If this is what the towel boy is coming home to every night...I'd be one fluffy towel, Downey comfort, handing out fella any day of the week...

 

 

Little one: "You better stick a pacifier in my grill...the Dolphins?!" 😠

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

From what I have seen, that aspect is still in the air.

 

However, if he makes it all go away from paying the 18 of 22 that are reported to be ready to settle...the stink will linger.

 

If a team wants to make a move for him and invest what the Texans are reportedly asking it's a nightmare for the league and most importantly, it's sponsors. 

 

Right now the LAST thing the NFL needs is more national controversy. 

 

Criminal charges get less likely the longer this goes. Isn't impossible they still come, but it is less likely. 

[Chaos]

On 2/2/2022 at 10:57 PM, Augie said:

IF what Flores alleges regarding paying for losses proves to be true, this will probably be the last hire Ross ever makes for the Dolphins. In this day and age, with the gambling angle especially, THAT has to lead to swift action by the league. 

And potentially by law enforcement. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, FarrellsFinest said:

Yes! Im calling BS! He is making a mockery of the rule. You cant piss on somebody call it rain and expect them to ignor it.

 

9 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Provide a link to your findings. Please. Right now, you are the one telling everyone your opinion is rain when it really has a yellow hue to it. So prove it. Provide some evidence. 

 

My take, for whatever it's worth:

 

1) The calls for McDaniel to somehow validate his "Blackness" to the public are out of line.  If the league is satisfied he meets the letter of their law, that's enough

 

2) There's a valid point that the NFL giving out draft picks to the team that "developed" McDaniel as a HC candidate goes against the spirit of the rule.  I don't know, but it seems entirely likely that McDaniel has not been subject to the lifelong racism where some people are treated differently because of the dark color of their skin, and struggle to advance (one study that Black assistant coaches are 144x less likely to be promoted than their white counterparts).

 

From that POV, it can be viewed as a "mockery", just as a team satisfying the Rooney Rule by doing a quick in-person interview of an in-house Black assistant before hiring the guy they had in mind all along, is a mockery.  It's not serving the purpose of encouraging clubs to give more development opportunities and more consideration to promotion of more Black assistants. 

 

The Rooney Rule was modified to force clubs to put a bit more realistic effort into it (two interviews with external candidates plus one in person interview with an external candidate).

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the draft picks rule got modified.

[Process]

Just seeing this now, it's hard to watch. Can't believe this is the head coach of a professional football team. 

 

 

[Bangarang]

The most exciting days for Dolphins fans is the day they hire a HC and a few years later when he is fired. 
 

That phone call seems so forced and cringey. 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Bangarang

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

If this is what the towel boy is coming home to every night...I'd be one fluffy towel, Downey comfort, handing out fella any day of the week...

 

 

 

Yeah does look as though he Outkicked his Coverage

 

Interesting that Miami chose to show McDaniel arriving by private jet

 

Giants chose to show Daboll driving up to the facility in a truck

 

Does that mean Mara is Cheap?

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

The most exciting days for Dolphins fans is the day they hire a HC and a few years later when he is fired. 
 

That phone call seems so forced and cringey. 

I thought it was a joke at first. What is happening there? Pouring it on a little thick

 

The entire world? 

[BillsShredder83]

16 hours ago, 97bills said:

All I heard was a potty mouth that said run the F - - - ball nothing to see here. 👎

I get that were probably from diff times, but I'll never understand people being so torn up about a bad word lol

Hes not a nanny, Hes a football coach and it's a candid moment. 

 

Morals:

Worlds most violent sport.... that's ok, as long as coach doesn't say the bad sounds.

 

We should go after the troops and their dark senses of humor next! How dare they think different thoughts than me!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, Process said:

Just seeing this now, it's hard to watch. Can't believe this is the head coach of a professional football team. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I would think the first time I spoke to the QB I would not want to be on camera.

[Process]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, I would think the first time I spoke to the QB I would not want to be on camera.

Yea, I was probably too harsh on him. Whoever set this up and thought it was a good idea to record and post is really to blame. The whole thing is just awkward.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I thought it was a joke at first. What is happening there? Pouring it on a little thick

 

The entire world? 

 

Yeah, and "My job is to coach you...to get all that greatness out of you"

 

I know Daboll and Allen ended as a mutual admiration society

But they started with Daboll red-faced and angry, screaming through the helmet radio at Allen for making the wrong throw, and Allen standing there taking it: 

"What did you say to him?"  "Wasn't much to say, throw to the flat next time.  But there isn't much to scream about now."

 

"No coach I'd rather play for in the entire world" just sounds terribly forced and scripted.

[The Jokeman]

If I'm a Fins fan I'd hate the choice. I mean yes he's young but eh I don't see a track record of success by him just a guy tied to Shanahan. Similar to Dennison and with Gary Kubiak.

[Richard Noggin]

Poor coach has a mandate to make it work with Tua, seems like (of course). That vid is a little cringey, but not because of McDaniel's demeanor, as many are suggesting. I think a less formal, more awkward and authentic personality can potentially work with the young player cohort in the NFL. Appeals to authority don't land the way they once did. But such relaxed personalities don't often translate well in staged settings, precisely because faking it is anathema to their ethos. My read, anyways.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

 

"No coach I'd rather play for in the entire world…which I thought was nice, since first time I really talked to him.”

 

😂😂😂

 

McDaniel playing chess while everyone else is eating their checkers.

 

Hopefully he can stay the eccentric, goofy, hipster and not get swallowed up by “NFL…so important…life and death.  Let’s skip our only months of summer so we can get back to football.”  🙄 

[wakingfane]

On 2/3/2022 at 4:56 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Both his daughters are very attractive and seem to take after their mom in looks.

 

But I think they also effectively make my point that "racial ancestry" and "appearance" don't necessarily align very well, so it's pretty silly for the guy I was answering to demand that McDaniel "23 and me" to verify the race of his father because McDaniel doesn't "look black"

I think it's actually the exception that proves the point. One of the components of racism is a very  broad and pervasive dominant culture that includes a programmed bias against dark skin. Passing as white is a thing because the cultural bias occurs very deep in the brain as an evolutionary trick of perception that encourages us to divide ourselves into tribes and has nothing to do with the person themselves or their ancestry.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Giants chose to show Daboll driving up to the facility in a truck

What they don't tell you is he jumped in the truck in Buffalo earlier that day, and only stopped at a couple of 7-11s, and an understocked Men's Wearhouse on the way there.

Edited February 9, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Wrong 'warehouse'. 😁

[97bills]

20 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I get that were probably from diff times, but I'll never understand people being so torn up about a bad word lol

Hes not a nanny, Hes a football coach and it's a candid moment. 

 

Morals:

Worlds most violent sport.... that's ok, as long as coach doesn't say the bad sounds.

 

We should go after the troops and their dark senses of humor next! How dare they think different thoughts than me!!!

I was just joking I hear a lot worse at my job doing construction, but I am a Christian and I carry my self like one. Each to their own but I choose to serve the lord. No harm meant brother 

[Putin]

I expect another sweep next season regardless of who they have as  HC 

[BillsFan4]

Did anyone watch his opening press conference?

 

 

 🤷‍♂️ 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, BillsFan4 said:

Did anyone watch his opening press conference?

 

 

 🤷‍♂️ 

“Is this thing on? Because it’s about to be!”

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

“Is this thing on? Because it’s about to be!”

"Dolphins never knew how good they had it!  I am a visible minority...Marty Feldman's nephew!"

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

His stretch running plays rely on the opposing Defensive Tackles being undersized so his guards can over power them at the point of attack but if the defensive tackles are big and physical his offense fails to move the ball.

[QLBillsFan]

On 2/6/2022 at 5:10 PM, Process said:

The rule would at least make some sense if the team he came from got one pick and the team that hired him got one pick. 

 

Other teams hire an Arab born in Michigan and a guy who is a 1/4th black and the 49ers get 4 valuable draft picks in 3 years...for doing absolutely nothing.

His dad is black .. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Bad move, Vic!  By next year, the most coveted defensive coordinator might be this guy:

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

His stretch running plays rely on the opposing Defensive Tackles being undersized so his guards can over power them at the point of attack but if the defensive tackles are big and physical his offense fails to move the ball.

 

Stretch zone actually involves doubling the two defensive tackles to nullify them in any event. The key to stopping the stretch zone is your rush end staying disciplined and your linebackers and safeties hitting the right gaps in fill technique. 

[KGun12TD]

On 2/2/2022 at 10:48 PM, BuffaloBills1998 said:

He’s a really smart guy and most of the coaches under Shanahan Jr’s. Tree have been very successful. There’s an article out there about Robert Saleh hoping Miami doesn’t bring McDaniel to the AFC East. Saleh worked with McDaniel in Frisco. He obviously knows something

Hi my name is Josh Allen and welcome to MY division. I’ll be ruining things for say 15 years or so…

[harryS]

On 2/8/2022 at 8:55 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

1) The calls for McDaniel to somehow validate his "Blackness" to the public are out of line.  If the league is satisfied he meets the letter of their law, that's enough

 

I don't personally care, but it should be noted that black people do, and they are not a fan:

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2022 by harryS

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, harryS said:

 

I don't personally care, but it should be noted that black people do, and they are not a fan:

 

 

 

 

I don't see any calls there for McDaniel to validate his "blackness"

 

But they're perfectly correct that this hire doesn't prove "no racism in the NFL"

 

And given that a big part of racism is the idea that people may be treated differently based strictly on their appearance (skin color), that's not a form of racism McDaniel has had to overcome

 

But that's very different than some of the calls saying he should have to "go get a 23 and Me and prove he is black to us" as though his account of his parental and family background isn't good enough and requires independent verification.  That's just weird.

[buffaloboyinATL]

Dude looks about as socially awkward as Adam Gase. 

[Gugny]

47 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Dude looks about as socially awkward as Adam Gase. 

 

I chalk it up to living life as a black man in a white world.  Growing up on the mean streets of Aurora, CO and going to Yale .. only to claw his way to the top of the NFL coaching ranks after spending an entire 365 days as a coordinator .. gotta be rough.  Don't hate the playa.  Hate the game.  Word.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I chalk it up to living life as a black man in a white world.  Growing up on the mean streets of Aurora, CO and going to Yale .. only to claw his way to the top of the NFL coaching ranks after spending an entire 365 days as a coordinator .. gotta be rough.  Don't hate the playa.  Hate the game.  Word.

 

To be fair McDaniel did not bring his race up. It isn't him driving this. On the 365 days, not sure that is right. This has been slightly misreported. He only had the title "offensive coordinator" for a year but that is because the 49ers had co-OCs for the prior three years. McDaniel was the run game coordinator and Mike LaFleur was the pass game coordinator. When LaFleur went to the Jets last year with Saleh they then just gave McDaniel the "Offensive Coordinator" title, but he was co-OC for three years before that. He has been a coordinator for four seasons. 

[colin]

lol, this is all of course the divine comedy of a racial spoils system where the boundaries get fuzzy (contrasted with ethnic distinctions which dominate the rest of the world and are the historic norm).  it reminds me of the old obscenity/pornography law debate where someone said "i can't define it, but i know it when i see it".  it gets interesting when two people look at the same thing and don't both see it. 

 

i do remember reading somewhere that this guys is a real wunderkid wrt to blocking and running and preparation, pretty similar to the rams HC.  this guy isn't as handsome or cool as mcvay seems, but being young might prove to be a big asset for nfl coaches.  soon, if not now already, they aren't managing squads of millenials but squads of zoomers, who often identify and relate move via internet subculture(s) rather than anything else.  i remember ditka was on tv after his failed stint as the new orleans HC, and when asked about what was different with the players of that day vs before (who at that point would all be no younger than youngish gen x) and he said he didn't understand the low self esteem they had because when they made a mistake they would say "me bad".  of course, they were saying "my bad" which is simply a claim of ownership, and one could read as a promise to focus more and do better next time, but it was entirely lost on ditka.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, colin said:

  i remember ditka was on tv after his failed stint as the new orleans HC, and when asked about what was different with the players of that day vs before (who at that point would all be no younger than youngish gen x) and he said he didn't understand the low self esteem they had because when they made a mistake they would say "me bad".  of course, they were saying "my bad" which is simply a claim of ownership, and one could read as a promise to focus more and do better next time, but it was entirely lost on ditka.

 

This reminds me of a time earlier in my career when I was in court in a case with a Jamaican defendant speaking in a pretty strong patois and ending almost every sentence with "you get me" and an old prim and proper English judge who at one point intervened in the process and asked the defendant "I'm sorry, but who was trying to get you?"