fergie's ire Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Wake up, people. He's the reason we continue to suck and miss the playoffs EVERY year and are a laughing stock of the league. Oh wait... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 minute ago, fergie's ire said: Wake up, people. He's the reason we continue to suck and miss the playoffs EVERY year and are a laughing stock of the league. Oh wait... Unless, and until, the Bills win multiple Super Bowls under his watch, some will cling to this view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Unless, and until, the Bills win multiple Super Bowls under his watch, some will cling to this view. Even if the Bills win multiple Super Bowls, some will cling to this view. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) Mr. Beane doesn't agree with the OP, neither does the Bills mafia Edited May 20, 2022 by ddaryl 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 i would just like to add.. NFL.COM #1 Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills The Bills' transformation since McDermott's hire in January 2017 could be taught in a college-level course on how to rebuild a franchise. McDermott helped to hire Beane in May of that year, and they've hit every right note since: from big trades (Stefon Diggs, moving up for Josh Allen) savvy draft picks, to knowing which veterans to reward (Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde) and when to move on (John Brown, LeSean McCoy). Beane was chosen as the top executive by several of The Athletic's national writers. "I voted for Beane because I think the Bills lead the league in MTMS (Moves That Make Sense)," Sheil Kapadia said in explaining his support for Beane. "That doesn't mean they all work out, but they seem to have a good process." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) On 1/24/2022 at 3:34 AM, IronMaidenBills said: We have not drafted enough high end talent. Edmunds rd 1 Basham rd 2 Epenesa rd 2 Ford rd 2 Moss rd 3 Oliver rd 1 Rousseau rd 1 Have all underperformed their draft statuses thus far IMO. Especially Ford and Moss. I expect more from Edmunds, Oliver, and Rousseau given their rd 1 status. You and Ethan from Portland are the same 13 year old boy aren't you? Listen, at 48 years old now, I'm not the wisest man ever to walk this planet. Far from it. But what I have learned is that no matter how much you think you know (and by second guessing multi-million dollar professionals you clearly think you know better), you don't know SQUAT! No more comment. Just drill that into your head. Trust me, you will be so better off the rest of your life if you can get this concept into your dumb head: 1. Rule #1 - YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT!!!! 2. Rule #2 - if you think you do know better than everyone else who's actually PAID to make these decisions, like B Beane and McDermott, then please refer back to Rule #1. Seriously, for those who brush this off now and say I don't know what the F I'm talking about. If you are minimally blessed in this life at all that the Big Guy Upstairs gives you just a hint of smarts, you will surely, someday, eventually, read what I'm posting here and understand that I'm absolutely correct. Just that some of us have already figured that out, and we laugh/cry/whatever at these stupid posts you choose to make. And sometimes, if you browse back through the history of this website, you will see others like me who try so hard to send you a message you really need to hear. Edited May 20, 2022 by Apocalypse Nuts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 46 minutes ago, Comebackkid said: i would just like to add.. NFL.COM #1 Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills The Bills' transformation since McDermott's hire in January 2017 could be taught in a college-level course on how to rebuild a franchise. McDermott helped to hire Beane in May of that year, and they've hit every right note since: from big trades (Stefon Diggs, moving up for Josh Allen) savvy draft picks, to knowing which veterans to reward (Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde) and when to move on (John Brown, LeSean McCoy). Beane was chosen as the top executive by several of The Athletic's national writers. "I voted for Beane because I think the Bills lead the league in MTMS (Moves That Make Sense)," Sheil Kapadia said in explaining his support for Beane. "That doesn't mean they all work out, but they seem to have a good process." Oh cut it out with facts. We want made up stuff as proof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 12:36 AM, Gene1973 said: This is usually what happens when you draft character over talent. You mean like make the playoffs almost over here is that what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) I mean, Allen alone gives Beane a lot of leeway for other moves that haven't necessarily worked out. Not that I think he shouldn't be judged on anything else. But I still think overall even "aside from Josh", which is kind of hard to do, he's done a pretty solid job. I would agree that we haven't gotten great bang for the buck on some of the resources we've spent on D, especially high-end draft capital and I was a little perplexed we didn't do more for the o-line going into last season. All in all though I think if we're being real...this is a roster that probably should have won the title last year if not for McD's gag job in KC and we're looking pretty good to compete big this year and in the future. He's a keeper for me. EDIT: I also think he has the right temperament and approach to how to have a relationship with the franchise player which is pretty important. As both have mentioned before, they both run their opinions by each other and Beane does ask Josh for his thoughts on certain potential moves...but they have an understanding that it's ultimately Beane's call. This is obviously important given how we've seen some of the relationships between front offices and QB's have had an impact or led to trades or firings, etc. Edited May 20, 2022 by HomeskillitMoorman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Both Beane and McDermott will ultimately be judged on whether or not they win a SB during their time here. But you can really argue that JA17 is sole reason they are still here and why they will be given a certain degree of benefit of the doubt. But I still maintain that given all the money we have committed on right now to JA17 and other big name players recently added/extended, there are no excuses to not reach the pinnacle of success and bring home a championship to Buffalo. If that doesn't happen in the next few years it probably won't with this regime and that's simply the reality of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Both Beane and McDermott will ultimately be judged on whether or not they win a SB during their time here. But you can really argue that JA17 is sole reason they are still here and why they will be given a certain degree of benefit of the doubt. But I still maintain that given all the money we have committed on right now to JA17 and other big name players recently added/extended, there are no excuses to not reach the pinnacle of success and bring home a championship to Buffalo. If that doesn't happen in the next few years it probably won't with this regime and that's simply the reality of the situation. You could say that for a lot of GM's honestly though. Hitting on a QB is far and away the most important factor for a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Both Beane and McDermott will ultimately be judged on whether or not they win a SB during their time here. But you can really argue that JA17 is sole reason they are still here and why they will be given a certain degree of benefit of the doubt. But I still maintain that given all the money we have committed on right now to JA17 and other big name players recently added/extended, there are no excuses to not reach the pinnacle of success and bring home a championship to Buffalo. If that doesn't happen in the next few years it probably won't with this regime and that's simply the reality of the situation. JA is not the sole reason they are here. Your premise is false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Is there a worse take on this board on any topic? If so, please send it as I don't believe it. 17 years straight losing. Guts team in 2017 and 2018 to shed salary and dead weight and starts the meat of the rebuild in the 2018 draft. 3 years later, we are the #1 ranked offense, #1 ranked defense, reigning back to back 2 time division champion, perennial playoff team and SB contender, with the odds on favorite for MVP, odds on favorite to make and win the SB, and the consensus best roster in the NFL entering the season...a roster that does not have a single player on it from before the McBeane era. But please tells us some more how bad Beane is again. The worst take will come in the form of "but they haven't won a championship". Every time. 11 minutes ago, todd said: JA is not the sole reason they are here. Your premise is false. Never mind @Alphadawg7 This one is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Apocalypse Nuts said: You and Ethan from Portland are the same 13 year old boy aren't you? Listen, at 48 years old now, I'm not the wisest man ever to walk this planet. Far from it. But what I have learned is that no matter how much you think you know (and by second guessing multi-million dollar professionals you clearly think you know better), you don't know SQUAT! No more comment. Just drill that into your head. Trust me, you will be so better off the rest of your life if you can get this concept into your dumb head: 1. Rule #1 - YOU DON'T KNOW SQUAT!!!! 2. Rule #2 - if you think you do know better than everyone else who's actually PAID to make these decisions, like B Beane and McDermott, then please refer back to Rule #1. Seriously, for those who brush this off now and say I don't know what the F I'm talking about. If you are minimally blessed in this life at all that the Big Guy Upstairs gives you just a hint of smarts, you will surely, someday, eventually, read what I'm posting here and understand that I'm absolutely correct. Just that some of us have already figured that out, and we laugh/cry/whatever at these stupid posts you choose to make. And sometimes, if you browse back through the history of this website, you will see others like me who try so hard to send you a message you really need to hear. The OP and others like him need to read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect. Essentially, when someone doesn’t know a subject well, they think they know it all in regards to that subject. Then the more one learns, the less they believe they know about that subject, until they truly are experts in that subject and understand that they are. https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Unless, and until, the Bills win multiple Super Bowls under his watch, some will cling to this view. Yeah it’s those spoiled little kids they can’t have the best pony whenever they go to the zoo they don’t remember whenever we weren’t even invited to the zoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, todd said: JA is not the sole reason they are here. Your premise is false. If JA17 didn't explode on the scene the last few years what evidence is there this team would have been where they are? Not saying we'd be a 3 win team but folks are giving too much credit to Beane/McDermott especially when the evidence is there that JA17's development had more to do with his own raw talent and Daboll's influence vs anything McDermott has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 What’s the point in trying to discredit people in your own team’s organisation while the team is very successful? I just don’t get it. Can’t be much fun being a person so desperately looking for flaws instead of enjoying life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 11:01 AM, IronMaidenBills said: He hasn’t done enough. He hasn’t drafted enough elite talent. If he misses this draft we need to start debating whether he is good enough. Honestly, your act is getting old. 13 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: If JA17 didn't explode on the scene the last few years what evidence is there this team would have been where they are? Not saying we'd be a 3 win team but folks are giving too much credit to Beane/McDermott especially when the evidence is there that JA17's development had more to do with his own raw talent and Daboll's influence vs anything McDermott has done. As is yours. Name a contending team that has crap at QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Beast said: Honestly, your act is getting old. As is yours. Name a contending team that has crap at QB. Niners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: If JA17 didn't explode on the scene the last few years what evidence is there this team would have been where they are? Not saying we'd be a 3 win team but folks are giving too much credit to Beane/McDermott especially when the evidence is there that JA17's development had more to do with his own raw talent and Daboll's influence vs anything McDermott has done. The proof is in the fact they took a Tyrod Taylor lead team to the playoffs - pre-Josh Allen. Even a poor excuse for a Dolphins fan should know that. 🤷♂️ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Niners. Yeah I don’t know Niners are stacked but it seems like every time they went up against a team with A real QB they’ve lost in the playoffs am I wrong 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: The proof is in the fact they took a Tyrod Taylor lead team to the playoffs - pre-Josh Allen. Even a poor excuse for a Dolphins fan should know that. 🤷♂️ But were we real contenders though we got into the playoffs and we got decimated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Just now, John from Riverside said: Yeah I don’t know Niners are stacked but it seems like every time they went up against a team with A real QB they’ve lost in the playoffs am I wrong They beat the Packers and Cowboys last year and Packers again the year they went to Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) On 1/24/2022 at 3:36 AM, Gene1973 said: This is usually what happens when you draft character over talent. That character was on full display the past week in Buffalo, wasn't it? Last I checked this team is one of the favorites this year to win the SB too.... how did that happen? 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah I don’t know Niners are stacked but it seems like every time they went up against a team with A real QB they’ve lost in the playoffs am I wrong So you don't consider Aaron Rodgers a 'real QB?' Edited May 20, 2022 by RocCityRoller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They beat the Packers and Cowboys last year and Packers again the year they went to Super Bowl. It is feast or famine is the point with the 49ers. A superbowl, a NFCCG and 3 seasons winning 6 or fewer. Not that I am totally crapping on that because without a top 10 QB that honestly isn't the worst return. Shanny Jnr is in the top 3 Xs and Os coaches in football. But he has questionable game management ability and isn't the best leader. I honestly think he is the best offensive playcaller in football, but as a Head Coach he has limitations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is feast or famine is the point with the 49ers. A superbowl, a NFCCG and 3 seasons winning 6 or fewer. Not that I am totally crapping on that because without a top 10 QB that honestly isn't the worst return. Shanny Jnr is in the top 3 Xs and Os coaches in football. But he has questionable game management ability and isn't the best leader. I honestly think he is the best offensive playcaller in football, but as a Head Coach he has limitations. I think he’s a top HC. Unquestionably. I know this topic is about Beane but wrt the Niners- they’ve had arguably better results without a top QB. I know we like to ***** on Vrabel but until proven otherwise he’s McDermott’s comp, not McVay or Shanahan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think he’s a top HC. Unquestionably. I know this topic is about Beane but wrt the Niners- they’ve had arguably better results without a top QB. I know we like to ***** on Vrabel but until proven otherwise he’s McDermott’s comp, not McVay or Shanahan. I do question it. Not because of his Xs and Os. Nobody elevates QBs like Kyle on that I suspect we agree. But his game management is as questionable as Sean's and the story I have heard from multiple people who know that organisation well is Kyle quits on seasons when they go south. I think there is a genuine question mark against his leadership. That said, I have him in the McDermott and Vrabel (who I don't crap on btw) tier. McVay has elevated himself by winning a Championship. He is a tier above. Edited May 20, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Lol. Yet another confirmation that the ignore feature works as intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah I don’t know Niners are stacked but it seems like every time they went up against a team with A real QB they’ve lost in the playoffs am I wrong But were we real contenders though we got into the playoffs and we got decimated The fact that they could take that team and end a playoff drought- tells you yes - they can win. The fact that they recognized what was good and what was bad and moved on from Taylor - shows they understood the NFL. The fact that then then recognized what turned out to be the top QB and despite what fans here and elsewhere expected/wanted/screamed about - they made their pick tells you the most about them. The Leadership could of taken Taylor - looked at the playoffs and said we can win with this guy not making mistakes, build a running game and defense and try to win. It is actually what people expected with a defensive HC in McD, but he recognized that trying to win in that manner is a failure and set out to build an offense to dictate and a defense to slow teams down. I think this group could of gone many ways and built a winner, but only 1 way was going to build a SB contender and they were not afraid to shoot for the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, RocCityRoller said: That character was on full display the past week in Buffalo, wasn't it? Last I checked this team is one of the favorites this year to win the SB too.... how did that happen? So you don't consider Aaron Rodgers a 'real QB?' of course I do 5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: The fact that they could take that team and end a playoff drought- tells you yes - they can win. The fact that they recognized what was good and what was bad and moved on from Taylor - shows they understood the NFL. The fact that then then recognized what turned out to be the top QB and despite what fans here and elsewhere expected/wanted/screamed about - they made their pick tells you the most about them. The Leadership could of taken Taylor - looked at the playoffs and said we can win with this guy not making mistakes, build a running game and defense and try to win. It is actually what people expected with a defensive HC in McD, but he recognized that trying to win in that manner is a failure and set out to build an offense to dictate and a defense to slow teams down. I think this group could of gone many ways and built a winner, but only 1 way was going to build a SB contender and they were not afraid to shoot for the moon. I dont disagree with any particular part of this.....only that Tyrod took them about as far as they could without a unicorn QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Tanoros said: The OP and others like him need to read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect. Essentially, when someone doesn’t know a subject well, they think they know it all in regards to that subject. Then the more one learns, the less they believe they know about that subject, until they truly are experts in that subject and understand that they are. https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740 During my illustrious collegiate career many moons ago at the Upstairs Night College, I took a basic psychology course. I didn't realize there was an actual term for this phenomenon, but basically our professor said basically: 'Those who speak the loudest, know the least.' From that day, I've tried to keep my mouth shut as much as possible. Which is quite the challenge. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: of course I do Then I guess I don't understand what you were saying about the 49ers 'always lose to teams 'with a real QB' in the playoffs'. SF beat GB, who has Rodgers at QB, the last two times they played in the playoffs (2019 and 2021). I get the general point, it helps to have a stud QB to go all the way. Since Beane hit on the stud QB he gets a lot of lee-way and rose colored glasses I also understand some of the less popular opinions that Beane's premium picks other than Allen and Diggs have not been that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It is feast or famine is the point with the 49ers. A superbowl, a NFCCG and 3 seasons winning 6 or fewer. Not that I am totally crapping on that because without a top 10 QB that honestly isn't the worst return. Shanny Jnr is in the top 3 Xs and Os coaches in football. But he has questionable game management ability and isn't the best leader. I honestly think he is the best offensive playcaller in football, but as a Head Coach he has limitations. That’s not really an accurate way to phrase it though. They aren’t “feast or famine”, your post makes it sound like that it has to do with the fact Jimmy isn’t top 10 when in reality it’s only about if Jimmy is hurt or not. 5 seasons he’s been there, but he was only there part of that first season as he was acquired via trade. 2017: 6 Wins - Jimmy G didn’t arrive until the trade deadline. He started a week later and the 49ers were undefeated 5-0 with Jimmy G. So the fact they only won 6 games was only because they didn’t have Jimmy G the full season. 2018: 6 Wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season in week 3. 2019: Super Bowl birth - Jimmy G led them to the SB that they had the lead in heading into the 4th quarter. 2020: 6 wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season again in the 2nd game of the year. They also had other key injuries too like Bosa. 2021: NFCCG - Jimmy G led them back to NFCCG despite losing their starting RBs and also Kittle for a chunk of the season. And may have been a Tarrt dropped gimme interception away from making it back to the SB. As long as Jimmy G is on the field, the Niners win. Which has been the case in 3 of his 5 seasons (he was undefeated that first partial season). So the yo yo is solely based on whether their starting QB was on the field. Edited May 21, 2022 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: That’s not really an accurate way to phrase it though. They aren’t “feast or famine”, your post makes it sound like that it has to do with the fact Jimmy isn’t top 10 when in reality it’s only about if Jimmy is hurt or not. 5 seasons he’s been there, but he was only there part of that first season as he was acquired via trade. 2017: 6 Wins - Jimmy G didn’t arrive until the trade deadline. He started a week later and the 49ers were undefeated 5-0 with Jimmy G. So the fact they only won 6 games was only because they didn’t have Jimmy G the full season. 2018: 6 Wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season in week 3. 2019: Super Bowl birth - Jimmy G led them to the SB that they had the lead in heading into the 4th quarter. 2020: 6 wins - Jimmy G got knocked out for the season again in the 2nd game of the year. They also had other key injuries too like Bosa. 2021: NFCCG - Jimmy G led them back to NFCCG despite losing their starting RBs and also Kittle for a chunk of the season. And may have been a Tarrt dropped gimme interception away from making it back to the SB. As long as Jimmy G is on the field, the Niners win. Which has been the case in 3 of his 5 seasons (he was undefeated that first partial season). So the yo yo is solely based on whether their starting QB was on the field. Yea it is fair that Jimmy has been injury hit certainly. It is a particularly awful record without him though. 2017 it was a garbage roster so to be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Yea it is fair that Jimmy has been injury hit certainly. It is a particularly awful record without him though. 2017 it was a garbage roster so to be expected. Yeah, since Jimmy G arrived, Niners have been a tough team. That being said, I think it says more about Kyle than Jimmy G though. Jimmy, like you said, isn’t a top 10 QB. But he is a guy who can protect the ball, and make plays still to compliment a strong run game. And Kyle has been able to win a lot with Jimmy G as a result. If they had a top 10 QB, they would have probably won the SB in 2019 and possibly 2021. But it’s gonna be interesting to see what happens this year. Jimmy still there and Trey is in the wings. If they do officially transition to Trey and it doesn’t work out, it will be one of those situations where you don’t know what you got until it’s gone. Or it could be like when KC traded Smith so Mahomes could take over and ends up being the right move. All the Niners fans I know are nervous haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 22 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Yeah it’s those spoiled little kids they can’t have the best pony whenever they go to the zoo they don’t remember whenever we weren’t even invited to the zoo I'm trying to remember a pony ever being in a zoo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said: I'm trying to remember a pony ever being in a zoo. Or if they ever were, when they were given out for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, since Jimmy G arrived, Niners have been a tough team. That being said, I think it says more about Kyle than Jimmy G though. Jimmy, like you said, isn’t a top 10 QB. But he is a guy who can protect the ball, and make plays still to compliment a strong run game. And Kyle has been able to win a lot with Jimmy G as a result. If they had a top 10 QB, they would have probably won the SB in 2019 and possibly 2021. But it’s gonna be interesting to see what happens this year. Jimmy still there and Trey is in the wings. If they do officially transition to Trey and it doesn’t work out, it will be one of those situations where you don’t know what you got until it’s gone. Or it could be like when KC traded Smith so Mahomes could take over and ends up being the right move. All the Niners fans I know are nervous haha. Equally though even with Jimmy's limitations, Kyle's game management in that 4th Quarter was as much a reason for the Superbowl choke in 2019. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Equally though even with Jimmy's limitations, Kyle's game management in that 4th Quarter was as much a reason for the Superbowl choke in 2019. No. They were a missed throw to Sanders iirc within winning against the Chiefs. They lost that game because Garoppolo isn’t a good QB, it had nothing to do with Shanahan. He called a great game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Equally though even with Jimmy's limitations, Kyle's game management in that 4th Quarter was as much a reason for the Superbowl choke in 2019. Thats is true, and one could look at him too in the Atlanta collapse. Good point for sure 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: No. They were a missed throw to Sanders iirc within winning against the Chiefs. They lost that game because Garoppolo isn’t a good QB, it had nothing to do with Shanahan. He called a great game. Nah, it was more than that. Ask a Niner fan, they have gripes with both Jimmy G and Kyle after that 2019 game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thats is true, and one could look at him too in the Atlanta collapse. Good point for sure Nah, it was more than that. Ask a Niner fan, they have gripes with both Jimmy G and Kyle after that 2019 game. What was the gripe w Shanahan? Not telling Saleh he should maybe try covering Tyreek Hill 50 yards downfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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