My case for Trubisky to the Colts

[Alphadawg7]

Let me be clear from the start, I have no evidence of any Trubisky interest by the Colts, this is just something I am personally speculating on as I think it makes a lot of sense personally for both the Colts and Trubisky.  Admittedly, I hope it does NOT happen, as I don't want to see the Colts get better lmao.  

 

Why it makes sense to me:  Trubisky isn't going to draw a lot of interest from rebuilding teams IMO unless its on a cheap deal to hold a seat warm for a rookie because those teams are likely turning to the draft for a QB.  There is also still Watson and of course possibly Rodgers that could be available too, not to mention the speculation that Wilson could be someone to keep an eye on.  With the Colts run game, they don't need to try and pursue cap choking big ticket QB's like those guys.  

 

Someone like Trubisky, who was able to get the Bears into the playoffs twice despite little offensive talent around him, a bad OL, and a terrible Coach and front office could come into Indy and help right the ship immediately.  And, it wouldn't likely need to be a big financial or cap risk either as the market for Trubisky isn't going to be expensive giving them flexibility to go in another direction quickly if its not working out.  

 

The case against Carson Wentz is pretty clear
 

Eagles:  

1.  Gets hurt, Eagles go on a run with Foles and win the SB.
2.  Eagles last year with Wentz…no playoffs.  This year without him…in the playoffs.

 

Colts:  

1.  Made playoffs without him last year.  
2. This year with him (and an 1800 rusher and MVP candidate in Taylor)…miss playoffs. 
 

And in a must win game to make the playoffs, his QBR was a pitiful (and Nathan Peterman like) 4.4 lmao...yes 4.4 out of 100.  Reich also apparently declined to commit to Wentz a day after the loss too.  Which is telling given they had history before this season that led to him wanting Wentz there in the first place. 

So what do you guys think...created poll asking if you thought Wentz would be the starter next year or not, and what you think the chances Trubisky ends up there to either start or at least compete with Wentz to start.  

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Cvanvol7]

I think Daboll and Trubisky in Denver

[BuffaloBill]

I hate the situation for Frank Reich …. As his team would be scary with an above average QB.

 

The suggested scenario is highly likely as Wentz is as good as gone. 

[aristocrat]

If I was his agent I'd certainly be making the phone calls. Great O line, rb and a solid d and plenty of cap space. Get us that comp pick baby. 

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Cvanvol7 said:

I think Daboll and Trubisky in Denver

 

I could see Trubisky and Daboll pairing up somewhere.  But the Broncos I think are going to first go after one of the potential big name guys that could be available like Rodgers, Wilson, or maybe Watson if his legal stuff gets cleared up like it seems like it could.  

 

I think Daboll is more likely to land in Miami though, assuming Daboll believes in Tua as a legit guy who could become a franchise QB.  And if he does go to Miami, Trubisky likely doesn't follow for that reason.  

[dave mcbride]

This is a good topic and a good poll, @Alphadawg7.

[YoloinOhio]

Colts = QB purgatory

 

had to be gutting to see Andrew luck out there last night at Lucas Oil the day after that debacle 

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is a good topic and a good poll, @Alphadawg7.

 

Welp, guess that seals this threads fate to be no more than 1 to 3 pages max hahaha.  Threads are only active and long around here when they are full of nonsense and are off the rails.  Hahaha

Edited January 11, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[stinky finger]

I voted it's possible, not likely.

 

Though it seems like a good fit. 

 

I'd like to see MT resume his career in a quality situation.

[NewEra]

Wentz is a good QB.  He’s def not lower tier.  I learned that here!

Edited January 11, 2022 by NewEra

[Nihilarian]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Colts = QB purgatory

 

had to be gutting to see Andrew luck out there last night at Lucas Oil the day after that debacle 

I don't see it that way. This owner is hands off and the GM, HC are both really good now. 

 

The problem with Luck was that he was so beaten up by the time Reich got there he just wanted out. Darn shame too as they probably would have won a SB or two.

 

The Colts get a top QB and look out AFC. JMO

 

 

[FireChans]

I mean Trubisky is basically Carson Wentz. Not good enough.

 

They may bring him in because they have no other moves. Maybe pray someone plummets down in the draft.

Just now, Nihilarian said:

I don't see it that way. This owner is hands off and the GM, HC are both really good now. 

 

The problem with Luck was that he was so beaten up by the time Reich got there he just wanted out. Darn shame too as they probably would have won a SB or two.

 

The Colts get a top QB and look out AFC. JMO

 

 

As Bills fans, we all know how easy it was to find a good QB. We did it in no time flat.

[Mango]

The Daboll/Mitch pairing is interesting. It seems like there are a lot of similarities between Mitch and Josh, just from a physical standpoint. Given what Daboll did with Allen, it seems to make sense. But that is the only real connection we have. If I am Mitch I would love to follow BD, but BD could have other plans. If he lands in Miami, there is probably no way MT follows. 

 

Carson Wentz was terrible this year. Everything MT did in Chicago was better than the QB play in Indy. If I am Reich I am scrambling this offseason for an upgrade. Hell, Heinicke would be a major upgrade. Indy needs to do something. I would imagine Heinicke, Fitz, and Trubiski are on a list for serious discussion. Maybe a tier two list of Mariota and Bortles? But they cannot go forward the way they are. 
 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Welp, guess that seals this threads fate to be no more than 1 to 3 pages max hahaha.  Threads are only active and long around here when they are full of nonsense and are off the rails.  Hahaha

 

It would be a mistake to underestimate the nonsense we are capable of!!!

[Mango]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

I hate the situation for Frank Reich …. As his team would be scary with an above average QB.

 

The suggested scenario is highly likely as Wentz is as good as gone. 

 

Totally agree. I would love to see MT make a successful go of it, but Indy with average QB play is incredibly dangerous. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean Trubisky is basically Carson Wentz. Not good enough.

 

They may bring him in because they have no other moves. Maybe pray someone plummets down in the draft.

As Bills fans, we all know how easy it was to find a good QB. We did it in no time flat.

 

Yeah, I mean to be fair, Mitch is no lock to rebound if he was to go there, but he did get a lesser team with a terrible coaching staff and terrible FO to the playoffs twice.  There is reason for optimism to put him into a better situation and see if he is ready to take a next step.  

 

And Mitch is still young but was in a poor environment to develop properly in Chicago.  He has now spent a year with a very respected coaching staff that did wonders with a raw kid in Allen, so I think the potential is there, where as with Wentz, his best days seem to be behind him.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

The Daboll/Trubisky pairing thing here is so strange to me. Trubisky is not a good QB. Maybe a half-decent backup, we don’t really know, but why would anyone want to go with him as a starter as a new head coach of a team?

[djp14150]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

I hate the situation for Frank Reich …. As his team would be scary with an above average QB.

 

The suggested scenario is highly likely as Wentz is as good as gone. 

 

lets actually analyze things…

 

their loses were close loses where they LD or tied in late 3rd or later.  Thrir supposed stroller defense didn’t seem to stop the opposing team when it was needed to try and win the game.  
 

the biggest blown lead was to Baltimore after being up 22-3 in late 3rd.  The Kicker blew a 4thquarter attempt tThat woukd have made itatwo score game.

 

every team in the playoffs had a bad game

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I don't see it that way. This owner is hands off and the GM, HC are both really good now. 

 

The problem with Luck was that he was so beaten up by the time Reich got there he just wanted out. Darn shame too as they probably would have won a SB or two.

 

The Colts get a top QB and look out AFC. JMO

 

 

Right but currently they are in Qb purgatory. They are stuck in mediocrity. They’ve been doing the QB dance for how many years now … Brisett, rivers, Wentz… none bad enough to get a top pick (especially as they keep improving the roster) and none good enough to actually win anything. “Top QBs” don’t grow on trees when you pick in the middle of the draft, have a roster ready to win now  and aren’t in the mix on the established group of Rodgers, Wilson, Watson (who may not even be available anyway)

Edited January 11, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, I mean to be fair, Mitch is no lock to rebound if he was to go there, but he did get a lesser team with a terrible coaching staff and terrible FO to the playoffs twice.  There is reason for optimism to put him into a better situation and see if he is ready to take a next step.  

 

And Mitch is still young but was in a poor environment to develop properly in Chicago.  He has now spent a year with a very respected coaching staff that did wonders with a raw kid in Allen, so I think the potential is there, where as with Wentz, his best days seem to be behind him.  

Wentz got a terrible team to the playoffs in 2019. Wentz also didn’t have the benefit of the best defense in the NFL.
 

I could see them signing Mitch and Mitch not beating out Wentz for the job. The dude was drafted 1 year after Wentz, he’s hardly close to his rookie year.

Edited January 11, 2022 by FireChans

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The Daboll/Trubisky pairing thing here is so strange to me. Trubisky is not a good QB. Maybe a half-decent backup, we don’t really know, but why would anyone want to go with him as a starter as a new head coach of a team?

 

Statistically I would say that Trubisky wasn't as bad as some make him out to be while in Chicago.  And the Bears, having made the playoffs twice with him, were certainly a lot worse without him.  Keep in mind, his OL was terrible there and he had little to work with in terms of weapons around him.  Add in how bad the coaching was, and even Trubisky has spoken out about just how little effort was put into developing him there compared to the kind of coaching he was already getting in Buffalo just as a backup.  

 

He is no lock to go to a better situation and be even better obviously, but there are legit reasons to see him as a guy that could really benefit from a change of scenery (from his former starting gig in Chicago).  And honestly his career in Chicago was better than what Wentz was in Indy this year, again on a lesser team with inept coaching staff.  

[gjv001]

Other than Trubisky's rookie season, I think this has to be the most enjoyable time he has spent in the NFL. And on top of that he got paid 2.5 million dollars. I think there is a very good chance Trubisky tells his agent he likes the Bills and wants to re-up for next season.

[Doc]

Depends on who is available.  I think that Wilson is in decline and wants to be on the East Coast anyway, Rodgers may stay in GB or retire and Watson isn't a Reich guy.  Then it also depends on Mitch's contract demands.

[BuffaloRebound]

Sounds like none of the college QB’s in the 1st round discussion are can’t miss types.  My bet is Trubisky gets a 1 year deal from a team who drafts a 1st round QB.  Maybe a Pittsburgh, Denver, Washington, Minnesota (if Cousins is gone).  Not sure he’s much of an upgrade from Wentz and I doubt Indy is moving on from Wentz (after trading a 1st rounder) unless it’s obvious upgrade.  

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Statistically I would say that Trubisky wasn't as bad as some make him out to be while in Chicago.  And the Bears, having made the playoffs twice with him, were certainly a lot worse without him.  Keep in mind, his OL was terrible there and he had little to work with in terms of weapons around him.  Add in how bad the coaching was, and even Trubisky has spoken out about just how little effort was put into developing him there compared to the kind of coaching he was already getting in Buffalo just as a backup.  

 

He is no lock to go to a better situation and be even better obviously, but there are legit reasons to see him as a guy that could really benefit from a change of scenery (from his former starting gig in Chicago).  And honestly his career in Chicago was better than what Wentz was in Indy this year, again on a lesser team with inept coaching staff.  

Agree, I never did either. I'm not sure how long Wentz was signed for and no clue where Mitch will go..but I do think he will be the starting QB wherever he goes, unless of course he stays (which I doubt).

[FilthyBeast]

If Daboll lands in Miami it's probably a no brainer that Trubisky ends up there to push Tua for the starting job and/or be waiting in the wings should Tua get hurt or have a short leash in 2022.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Sounds like none of the college QB’s in the 1st round discussion are can’t miss types.  My bet is Trubisky gets a 1 year deal from a team who drafts a 1st round QB.  Maybe a Pittsburgh, Denver, Washington, Minnesota (if Cousins is gone).  Not sure he’s much of an upgrade from Wentz and I doubt Indy is moving on from Wentz (after trading a 1st rounder) unless it’s obvious upgrade.  

 

All of those scenarios are certainly possible for Mitch, so yeah I can see any of that happening too.  And honestly, what Colts spent on Wentz adds more reasons to why someone like Trubisky makes a lot of sense to come in and either start or compete to start with Wentz, because it would not cost a lot to do so and be of very little risk.  

 

I would think the only thing Indy cares about is winning at this point.  The first rounder is already gone, nothing they can do about it.  At this point, all that matters is that they get better, not just trying to force something (if its not working) because of what they previously spent to try it.  

[Max Fischer]

Wentz has a $15M cap hit in 2022 and then no cap hit the remaining three years. I think Colts hold onto Wentz for another year, as I don't know which QBs would be that much better.  Trubisky *maybe* but certainly too many questions. There aren't many good options and a lot of competition for talent. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If Daboll lands in Miami it's probably a no brainer that Trubisky ends up there to push Tua for the starting job and/or be waiting in the wings should Tua get hurt or have a short leash in 2022.

 

I think the only way Mitch follows Daboll to Miami is if he has no other opportunities to start.  And honestly, I think Mitch is going to get interest from several teams this offseason, so I don't think its likely he goes to Miami regardless if Daboll does or not.  

[Nextmanup]

Not happening.  Frank Reich and Wentz are Jesus Brothers.

 

Frank will ride him until he can't ride him any further.

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Max Fischer said:

Wentz has a $15M cap hit in 2022 and then no cap hit the remaining three years. I think Colts hold onto Wentz for another year, as I don't know which QBs would be that much better.  Trubisky *maybe* but certainly too many questions. There aren't many good options and a lot of competition for talent. 

 

Yeah, if Colts sign MT, I think it will be more likely to compete with Wentz to start next year more so than just getting rid of Wentz all together.  

[Utah John]

29 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The Daboll/Trubisky pairing thing here is so strange to me. Trubisky is not a good QB. Maybe a half-decent backup, we don’t really know, but why would anyone want to go with him as a starter as a new head coach of a team?

Why?  Desperation. 

 

Does the name Kyle Orton ring a bell?

[FilthyBeast]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think the only way Mitch follows Daboll to Miami is if he has no other opportunities to start.  And honestly, I think Mitch is going to get interest from several teams this offseason, so I don't think its likely he goes to Miami regardless if Daboll does or not.  

 

He should get a chance to start again if anything because of two playoff appearances with a Bears team that was worse this year without him when everyone though QB was the main issue there.

 

But you just never know in this league and there are a ton of other QB's in a similar situation looking for a chance to start again next year.

[Utah John]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Not happening.  Frank Reich and Wentz are Jesus Brothers.

 

Frank will ride him until he can't ride him any further.

 

 

That connection and $4 will get you a cup of coffee in the NFL. 

 

It's a hard business, focused on the bottom line.  Would Reich like to succeed with Wentz?  Sure, but what Reich really wants is to succeed.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

If Daboll lands in Miami it's probably a no brainer that Trubisky ends up there to push Tua for the starting job and/or be waiting in the wings should Tua get hurt or have a short leash in 2022.

He may not go anywhere that doesn't have a QB in place. With his scheme he has to have a established QB, and not just a game manager type QB. So depending how things are with teams QB situation wanting to interview him may play a big part. If he doesn't like what he sees,  it wouldn't surprise me if he stayed with Bills another year (which would make some happy and some unhappy)

 

Some think Mitch may go with him and that could happen, but may not work out that way and Mitch has other plans.

[Utah John]

Don't count out Ryan Fitzpatrick getting a call.  He's still the WFT's property and could play there, but Washington will likely move to a rookie next year.  If he doesn't play in DC, he'll be mildly attractive to a lot of teams desperate for solid play.

 

 

[zow2]

I think it's more likely that Daboll goes to Chicago to develop Fields and help him reach his potential.

[Beast]

Nope.

 

Mitch will be a Pittsburgh Steeler.

[Utah John]

8 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

He should get a chance to start again if anything because of two playoff appearances with a Bears team that was worse this year without him when everyone though QB was the main issue there.

 

But you just never know in this league and there are a ton of other QB's in a similar situation looking for a chance to start again next year.

Both Wentz and Trubisky were terrible in their last year at their previous team.  Wentz got a lot less bad (not really better, to be clear) at Indy, and MT's past performance in Chicago will have other coaches thinking they could coach that guy up since in their own minds they're such great coaches.  

[947]

There's no guarantee that Trubisky would be any better than Wentz. The Bears did make the playoffs with Mitch, but not BECAUSE of him.

 

What Wentz did in 2017 blows away anything Trubisky has ever done, he would've been MVP if not for the injury. I know Wentz is not the same player anymore, but it least he once was that player. In Chicago, Trubisky was not a complete QB. He had issues reading coverages, and Nagy was using half-field reads at times to make it easier. I think Mitch will be better after his time with Daboll & Josh, but I can't see him going anywhere next year & being a top-15 QB. I think he's great as a backup, but I doubt any coach/GM is going to tie their job security solely to him.

Edited January 11, 2022 by 947