Spencer Brown placed on Covid List [Edit: Thurs 11/18]

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We are serious contenders…..when our OL is at its best.  

Could say that aboit another 10 yeams in the league. 

 

"Under perfect situations we are a contender"

 

However, we no longer live in perfect situations. In addition to normal injuries we also live in COVIDland now. To come into the season that paper thin at crucial spots is irresponsible for teams that are making a Super Bowl run. 

[nucci]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Okay.  So does that mean that if you lose a starting RT, the season will collapse?

You're making it sound like losing Brown is like losing Allen.

No , just responding to everyone saying that we shouldn't be depending on a rookie for the season. I'm saying his experience doesn't matter. If you lose any starting OL you're going to have problems. Very few teams have good OL depth

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

But can Jake play RG any better than Cody Ford?

 

 

[JohnNord]

Just now, BillsFan4 said:

Man I sure hope he can be cleared to play by Sunday. Bills need him desperately.

If he’s vaccinated he has a chance. If not, unfortunately we know for sure he’s out for (at least) the next 2 games (10 days from today, minimum).

I don’t that’s possible unless it was a false positive.  It seems like COVID lasts for around 7-10 days.  If he was negative Sunday, contracted COVID Tuesday, and tested positive on Wednesday, that leaves just Thursday and Friday.  He would need to test negative on Saturday morning and then Sunday morning.  
 

I don’t think 2 days is enough time…and he’s probably not feeling great either.  This is if he IS vaccinated which we don’t know 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You say collapse like we walk in every week Kings of the Castle and easily crush every team. We've done it a couple times, but we also just lost to the Jags. Who kows which Bills team shows up week to week. It's any given Sunday in this league, and having your starting RT out hurts any team.

 

It does hurt but if you're a good team, you don't let this position cripple your offense.

 

Some people are acting like we just lost Allen.  One poster said losing Brown means we will get blown out....he's not that critical.  We won games without Brown starting as well.

[stevestojan]

I just became a HUGE falcons fan. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Ford cannot start.  

 

Well, he can.

[JohnNord]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But can Jake play RG any better than Cody Ford

 

 

Do we know if he is or is not?

Supposedly his IG profile liked a lot of right-wing/anti-vax culture so many are speculating that he is not 

[cwater10]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

A good team doesn't collapse because one rookie RT doesn't start.  If we aren't good enough to overcome a rookie RT loss, then this team is really in trouble.

Depth is not what it was in the 80's and 90's.  In the salary cap world, any team misses a quality starter.  When you are missing one at a critical position that you are thin at, you miss him that much more.  Does that equal collapse?  I doubt it, but his absence will be felt.  First year player or not, he has become a player that this team counts on.  I am looking forward to seeing how Dabol adjusts.

[stevestojan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It does hurt but if you're a good team, you don't let this position cripple your offense.

 

Some people are acting like we just lost Allen.  One poster said losing Brown means we will get blown out....he's not that critical.  We won games without Brown starting as well.

We basically did lose Allen if Cody Ford is the answer. Josh will be running for his damn life. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

No , just responding to everyone saying that we shouldn't be depending on a rookie for the season. I'm saying his experience doesn't matter. If you lose any starting OL you're going to have problems. Very few teams have good OL depth

 

I agree but a RT isn't a critical position IMO.

 

We are still a better team than the Colts.

[nucci]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I agree but a RT isn't a critical position IMO.

 

We are still a better team than the Colts.

I concur. I wasn't the one panicking

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I am having seizures

 

Quick, bite down on your wallet.

[Process]

He's probably the most important player on offense other than JA... Big upgrade over Williams at tackle and also keeps Ford off the field. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, cwater10 said:

Depth is not what it was in the 80's and 90's.  In the salary cap world, any team misses a quality starter.  When you are missing one at a critical position that you are thin at, you miss him that much more.  Does that equal collapse?  I doubt it, but his absence will be felt.  First year player or not, he has become a player that this team counts on.  I am looking forward to seeing how Dabol adjusts.

 

I don't consider RT a critical position.

 

QB, DE, LT, CB, CB, DT, WR are much more critical than RT.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Put Bates at RT.

[Success]

It's bad - but I thought we'd be seeing these announcements every other week.  If it's just one player here or there, the Bills should be able to overcome that.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It does hurt but if you're a good team, you don't let this position cripple your offense.

 

Some people are acting like we just lost Allen.  One poster said losing Brown means we will get blown out....he's not that critical.  We won games without Brown starting as well.

 

We lost games against Pittsburgh and the Jags without Brown starting.

We won games against Miami (x2) and Washington without Brown starting.

 

To be fair, we lost a game against Tennessee where he started, where having him let a guy blow past him caused an INT as Allen's arm was hit as he threw

And we won games against Houston and the Jets as well as KC with him

 

So I would say him starting is a "mixed bag"

 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Okay.  So does that mean that if you lose a starting RT, the season will collapse?

You're making it sound like losing Brown is like losing Allen.

I think what you’re discounting is the chain reaction. It essentially puts us down 2 starters. We’re now dealing with backups along the whole right side because Williams kicks out as the backup RT and then guard needs replaced with whatever abomination they put in. It’s not just the typical plug and play. 
 

I agree that good teams overcome it but it’s not as simple as just losing one position. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Stank_Nasty

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Process said:

He's probably the most important player on offense other than JA... Big upgrade over Williams at tackle and also keeps Ford off the field. 

 

No he's not lol.

 

We are I believe 7.5 favorites against the Colts.  If Brown is out, do you think that line shifts to favor the Colts?

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, stevestojan said:

We basically did lose Allen if Cody Ford is the answer. Josh will be running for his damn life. 

Exactly...people aren't panicking,  they're just being realistic. Losing Brown at RT forces Daboll to slide Williams back there where he's been terrible. And to make things worse they'll probably stick Ford at RG. Josh will be scrambling to his left all day. 

[Logic]

[poblano]

1 minute ago, Dr. K said:

I understand that. But given the rules of the NFL, if he's not vaccinated he's costing the team his availability for perhaps two games. It's as simple as that. 

Yes, because the most important thing is  a F@#&%ng spectacle

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Put Bates at RT.

They treat Bates like Yeldon.  I just don't get it?

[msw2112]

This is a disappointment and hurts the team, but they can certainly win the game without him.  Two weeks ago, the Cardinals lost their STARTING QB and MVP candidate Kyler Murray and still found a way to beat the 49ers with Colt McCoy at QB.  The Titans beat a good Saints team and crushed a contending Rams team without their STARTING RB and MVP candidate Derrick Henry.  Good teams are able to adjust to missing players and still win games.  Is Spencer Brown more important to the Bills than Kyler Murray to the Cardinals or Derrick Henry to the Titans?

Edited November 18, 2021 by msw2112

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I would rather keep Williams at RG and have Tommy Doyle start at RT.  I think Ryan Bates can also play tackle.

 

You have bizzare preferences.  Doyle is just NOT ready.  I guess we may see him, but he looked bad in preseason at RT.

The snaps that he took for Dawkins in the Jets game were turnstile-ish

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We lost games against Pittsburgh and the Jags without Brown starting.

We won games against Miami (x2) and Washington without Brown starting.

 

To be fair, we lost a game against Tennessee where he started, where having him let a guy blow past him caused an INT as Allen's arm was hit as he threw

And we won games against Houston and the Jets as well as KC with him

 

So I would say him starting is a "mixed bag"

 

 

The Offensive stats that (( believe) Sal tweeted out with/without Brown are insane.  

 

That said, if truly are the team they/we think they are... they should be able to scheme around this.  

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We lost games against Pittsburgh and the Jags without Brown starting.

We won games against Miami (x2) and Washington without Brown starting.

 

To be fair, we lost a game against Tennessee where he started, where having him let a guy blow past him caused an INT as Allen's arm was hit as he threw

And we won games against Houston and the Jets as well as KC with him

 

So I would say him starting is a "mixed bag"

 

 

Exactly.  

 

I just read that Spencer Brown is more important than Diggs, Knox, Beasley, Dawkins, Sanders, Morse, Williams etc....

[Buffalo Junction]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

FWIW, I think we would all feel a lot better if our OL/Offense can show they made adjustments and win a tough game without Spencer Brown..  I don't think any of us feel that great with the notion that our entire season hinges on the availability of a rookie RT, as good as he may be.  

 

We absolutely cannot weaken two positions to save one again.  I'd rather keep the other four lineman in their current spots and let Doyle or Bates take their lumps at RT.  Knox is back and we can use him to help on that side.  

 

 

Plus it’s easier to just chip or double a DE with TEs and RBs than it is to provide help to a turnstile on the interior. 

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

He's probably the most important player on offense other than JA... Big upgrade over Williams at tackle and also keeps Ford off the field. 

I think Diggs is more important

[Process]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No he's not lol.

 

We are I believe 7.5 favorites against the Colts.  If Brown is out, do you think that line shifts to favor the Colts?

Where the hell did I say that lmao. 

 

There is no non QB in the entire NFL that would shift a point spread 7 points.

 

What are you talking about?

[WotAGuy]

Guys, relax. Bobby Hart is a free agent. He’ll slide in there like a ***** (marital aid) thrown in the Pats end zone

Edited November 18, 2021 by WotAGuy

[RiotAct]

47 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

This has nothing to do with getting vaxxed. Vaxxing doesn't stop you from getting it, the majority of cases are from vaccinated people. This is about possible having to play Cody Ford and we are *****.

yeah but it could absolutely affect if he’s available for the New Orleans game

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think what you’re discounting is the chain reaction. It essentially puts us down 2 starters. We’re now dealing with backups along the whole right side because Williams kicks out as the backup RT and then guard needs replaced with whatever abomination they put in. It’s not just the typical plug and play. 
 

I agree that good teams overcome it but it’s not as simple as just losing one position. 

 

I understand the chain reaction.  We aren't playing the Bucs or Titans or Cowboys this weekend.

We are playing a .500 team that hasn't beaten anyone.

 

We should still beat the Colts.

[Motorin']

11 minutes ago, poblano said:

Please understand that being vaccinated does not make you immune, it only avoids greater risks if you get infected, so to speak, it is a preventive vaccine, not a cure.

 

 

 

And condoms lower your risk of contracting sexually transmitted disease! Not a cure! 

[Process]

Just now, nucci said:

I think Diggs is more important

I disagree. If Josh is protected, I think the offense can still function at a high level with the other WRs we have. 

 

If Josh is running for this life all game it doesn't matter what we have at WR.

[Buffalo Junction]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Exactly.  

 

I just read that Spencer Brown is more important than Diggs, Knox, Beasley, Dawkins, Sanders, Morse, Williams etc....

I’d say it’s important because it bumped Williams inside…. Not necessarily because Brown’s an uber talented beast. He’s just better than the alternative and allows the team to eliminate a liability in the middle. 

[letsgoteam]

I would like to change my outlook to Sunday's game kinda like injury status.

 

I am going from Doubtful to Questionable.

 

I honestly forgot that Cody Ford did start (according Pro Football Ref) past week 1. 

[cwater10]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't consider RT a critical position.

 

QB, DE, LT, CB, CB, DT, WR are much more critical than RT.

I think every team is different with respect to what is critical.  On this team, Josh likes to, and seems do do better when he is able to roll to his right.  Does that make it more critical than other teams? I think its part of a complex set of issues for this offense.  I believe Spencer Brown is a critical player for this offense, in this season. To me, context is king.  And in the the context of The 2021 Buffalo Bills, RT has appeared to be critical to their results. I hope they move past this and adjust well.  Still, it makes me flinch a little bit.  I would much rather have him on the field this weekend than not.  That is not panic...  Also, with respect to the other positions listed above, they have respectable depth to overcome a missing starter.  I think we can reasonably question whether that is true for RT (or T in general).

Edited November 18, 2021 by cwater10

[Blank Stare]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Guys, relax. Bobby Hart is a free agent. He’ll slide in there like a ***** (marital aid) thrown in the Pats end zone

You laugh, but I actually might take Bobby Hart over Ford seeing the field. And Bobby Hart is terrible.