Week 9: Bills at Jags

[Dr. K]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I feel a bit bad for Lawrence, but part of me is Salty over the power of narrative.

 

The narrative when the Jags drafted Lawrence was "consensus no-brainer pick. He was a generational talent set to take a cursed Jaguars franchise and turn them into a contender. A golden-armed prodigy taking the form of something the NFL hadn’t seen since Andrew Luck."

 

So now that he's completing 59.6% of his passes and has thrown 9 picks to 8 TDs, the narrative is that "Trevor Lawrence is being failed by the entire Jaguars organization".

 

It makes me salty because in Allen's rookie season, he was considered way too raw to take starter reps in training camp and preseason, then pitchforked into the first game at halftime.  His OL was Dawkins -Ducasse (last season) -Bodine (last season)-Miller-Mills (last season as starter) - so 3/5 guys on their way out of the league and 1/5 guard who went on to play for some bad OLs.  His top WR were Zay "13 ypg for LVR" Jones, fat Kelvin Benjamin (last year in football), and rookie Robert Foster. 

 

And yet because of the "narrative" that Allen was "a parody of a first round draft pick" (see Josh Allen receipts thread) etc, the "narrative" his first year wasn't that the organization had mismanaged the situation and hadn't put enough talent around him; the narrative was that he sucked.

 

The writer John Gardner had a saying about the power of narrative to control people's minds: “Nothing in the world has greater power to enslave than does fiction” (The Art of Fiction, p 87).

 

Like Marv Levy's quote (paraphrase): "If you get a reputation for rising early you can sleep till noon for the rest of your life."

 

Once people have bought into a narrative it takes dynamite to get them to change their minds. Most will never do it. 

[BassToMouth]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Missed is the wrong word.  Ignored would be the correct word here.  Groot must not be old enough to get that call.

The refs ‘suck’ 

4 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

The writer John Gardner had a saying about the power of narrative to control people's minds: “Nothing in the world has greater power to enslave than does fiction” (The Art of Fiction, p 87).

 

Like Marv Levy's quote (paraphrase): "If you get a reputation for rising early you can sleep till noon for the rest of your life."

 

Once people have bought into a narrative it takes dynamite to get them to change their minds. Most will never do it. 

My copy is feet away from me lol 

[Dukestreetking]

2 minutes ago, BassToMouth said:

The refs ‘suck’ 

An o/t hat tip "awesome" to you sir...just b/c your's is now, far and away, my favorite forum name.

 

Prurient, vulgar, objectionable...but with a healthy dash of very clever, a splash of independent thought, and just damn funny as hell.

[buffaloboyinATL]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

 I’d absolutely move my team to the afc if I was one of these nfc playoff competitors and that was possible 😂 you’re almost guaranteed to have to beat the rams or the packers in the nfc championship and I can’t think of anyone comparable to either of those teams in the afc. Might be a little bit tougher matchup in an earlier round but I’d take that over having to run that gauntlet in the nfc 

Tiger Woods used to always say, it is not how many shots are between me and the Leader that matters, it’s how many other golfers that matters. I believe his point was if one or two players were ahead of him he trusted his ability enough to make up any deficit, but if there are 10 players between him and the lead, even if the gap is closer, there are many more variables to overcome. 
 

This is how I feel about the AFC. Way more variables to overcome. 

 

PS: per the bold part above, Josh Allen and the Bills said hi.  
 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by buffaloboyinATL

[CSBill]

19 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I predict Stevenson would only be a slight improvement at guard.

 

Are you sure about that?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Tiger Woods used to always say, it is not how many shots are between me and the Leader that matters, it’s how many other golfers that matters. I believe his point was if one or two players were ahead of him he trusted his ability enough to make up any deficit, but if there are 10 players between him and the lead, even if the gap is closer, there are many more variables to overcome. 
 

This is how I feel about the AFC. Way more variables to overcome. 

 

PS: per the bold part above, Josh Allen and the Bills said hi.  
 

 

Interesting because all but one of his Major wins occurred with him in the lead after the third round.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

22 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

i feel like remember this being a huge issue last year. Good to see stuff like this. 

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

[wjag]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

Missed one gap..

Edited November 3, 2021 by wjag

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, wjag said:

Missed one gap..

that was basically it. He was at 3.5 ypc on all other carries.

[Patrick Duffy]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Missed is the wrong word.  Ignored would be the correct word here.  Groot must not be old enough to get that call.

, yeah that or either they somehow got confused and thought GR was Hughes and was never any intention to throw the flag in the 1st place lol

Edited November 3, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[JGMcD2]

32 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

Yeah really. I mean it's D Henry we talking about in this case. Despite the holding(s) not called on that big TD run, he still is the hardest in the league to stop. Although, Bills have done a good job against him up until that point.

[Greg S]

5 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

They gave up one big run… are they not allowed a big play here or there? 

 

Plus Henry isn't your typical average back. He is the best RB in the league and its not even close. Losing him is a devastating blow for the Titans. They will win their division but have almost no shot at the Super Bowl. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

Plus Henry isn't your typical average back. He is the best RB in the league and its not even close. Losing him is a devastating blow for the Titans. They will win their division but have almost no shot at the Super Bowl. 

Yeah it's a big blow for sure, but imo I think they did about the best thing by bringing in AP. He will still help them in their P/A game, maybe not as much as Henry, but as long as AP still has some juice left they are still pretty dangerous team

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah it's a big blow for sure, but imo I think they did about the best thing by bringing in AP. He will still help them in their P/A game, maybe not as much as Henry, but as long as AP still has some juice left they are still pretty dangerous team

 

They are still a good team and AP will help. No way (IMHO) do they get by the Bills, Ravens now. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

Henry had 17 rushes for 35 yards.  Their gap integrity failed on 3 plays.  Not to mention the refs failing to open their eyes

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Henry had 17 rushes for 35 yards.  Their gap integrity failed on 3 plays.  Not to mention the refs failing to open their eyes

Exactly, said same thing. Kinda thought it was one of those things that went without saying myself, but anyways lol

[NewEra]

Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Exactly, said same thing. Kinda thought it was one of those things that went without saying myself, but anyways lol

Ethan will be Ethan

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, NewEra said:

Ethan will be Ethan

Lol, yeah I've noticed there are a few that post some things that make you scratch your head....

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

They are still a good team and AP will help. No way (IMHO) do they get by the Bills, Ravens now. 

AP making a house call from 90 out back in 19 at 34 years old still blows my freaking mind. Dude is a clydesdale with an extra gear, even in his mid 30's. i didnt think they'd get by us in a rematch anyways so i definitely dont think they do now. But if anyone can walk in off the street and produce for them its AP.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[x-BillzeBubba]

 

[wjag]

7 minutes ago, x-BillzeBubba said:

 

 

Told ya he's coming around..  He won't put them to the top of his tiers until Allen beats Brady.. You have to feel for Nick.  He's working through the 12 stages of grief over his Chiefs  🙂 He's working hard on acceptance..  🙂 

[Blank Stare]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

I thought one or two of our guys were held on that play too. Jordan Poyer for sure look like he was held. 

[K-9]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

What the hell happened in Tennessee then? 
 

I do think the run defense is better as many of us predicted with Star coming back.  It will be interesting to see if Phillips keeps his game day spot or if they go back to Zimmer when he is healthy 

I can see why just a casual observer might say that. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[wjag]

This has been quite a week and it's only Wednesday:

 

 

1. Henry done for regular season

2. JA appears on Manning TV (aka ESPN2)

3. Giants almost beat KC in KC

4. Trade Deadline moves Von Miller to LA Rams

5 OBJ's dad has a twitter account

6. Henry Ruggs

7. Michael Thomas decides he doesn't want to play this year

8. Aaron Rodgers is covid positive.

 

And it's only Wednesday

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[PaattMaann]

ill riot if Dawson Knox practices or plays this week. Dont need him whatsoever for the Jags. I am not usually "we dont need him this week" guy, but this week and with him, I sure am. Same thing with Spencer Brown. Sit these guys and let em play in a division game against the Jets next week if they are ready. Jags suck, we roll (jets suck and we roll too, but its at least a division game). 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

ill riot if Dawson Knox practices or plays this week. Dont need him whatsoever for the Jags. I am not usually "we dont need him this week" guy, but this week and with him, I sure am. Same thing with Spencer Brown. Sit these guys and let em play in a division game against the Jets next week if they are ready. Jags suck, we roll (jets suck and we roll too, but its at least a division game). 

if they're healthy they play.... i literally cannot stand this stuff.

[BuffaloBillyG]

18 minutes ago, wjag said:

This has been quite a week and it's only Wednesday:

 

 

1. Henry done for regular season

2. JA appears on Manning TV (aka ESPN2)

3. Giants almost beat KC in KC

4. Trade Deadline moves Von Miller to LA Rams

5 OBJ's dad has a twitter account

6. Henry Ruggs

7. Michael Thomas decides he doesn't want to play this year

8. Aaron Rodgers is covid positive.

 

And it's only Wednesday

Calvin Ridley walks away for the time being as well.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[K-9]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I wonder how many episodes he has to watch before he’s ready to play.

 

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

Urban Meyer is probably on my hypothetical 'Mount Rushmore of people in football I despise'. Always has plenty to say, but doesn't walk the walk and it just seems like every stop of his career has ended in scandal. 

 

I know there are some OSU and Florida fans on here, would be interested to get your takes on Meyer. No one knew then what we know now and it must have been awesome with some of those elite seasons/National Championships at both programs, he always got results on the field in college it has to be said. But his methods and the reports that have come out after his exits at those schools and now the squandering of Trevor Lawrence and all the money Jacksonville spent in free agency...pretty uninspiring and he's just so un-likeable. Jacksonville made a horrendous choice and ruined their chance to turn that franchise around IMO. 

[Mat68]

Cold front has come through down here.  Highs in the low 70’s high 60’s.  Looks like perfect football weather.  Allen could throw for 500 yards. 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

The white on blue is my favorite combo. That being said its obviously CURSED. Any other combo at this point please!

[Son of a K-Gun]

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I wonder how many episodes he has to watch before he’s ready to play.

 

 

Wow, Schneider's creepiness has not aged well...

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

The white on blue is my favorite combo. That being said its obviously CURSED. Any other combo at this point please!

Not meee

 

blue on white ftw

[Bigvinny]

Going to the game from Charleston SC. My 16 year Olds first Bills game. Should be awesome.