Alec Baldwin accidentally kills movie crew member (real bullet accidentally put in prop gun)

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/21/alec-baldwin-film-rust-woman-killed-after-prop-gun-incident-set/6128073001/

 

I'm amazed that this doesn't happen more often.

 

Isn't there someway to not have blanks that look like bullets?

[That's No Moon]

33 minutes ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/21/alec-baldwin-film-rust-woman-killed-after-prop-gun-incident-set/6128073001/

 

I'm amazed that this doesn't happen more often.

 

Isn't there someway to not have blanks that look like bullets?

They really dont. They look substantially different from regular rounds. They also generally use guns that can't accept regular rounds. Stuff does still come out the end when it's fired though and if something is lodged in the barrel is can be discharged when the blank is fired. That's what happened to Brandon Lee. The investigation into this will be interesting to see what actually happened. Who was in charge of the weapons on set, which protocol wasn't properly followed, etc. Minimally there isn't supposed to be anyone in front of the firearm when it's discharged, even with blanks.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/21/alec-baldwin-film-rust-woman-killed-after-prop-gun-incident-set/6128073001/

 

I'm amazed that this doesn't happen more often.

 

Isn't there someway to not have blanks that look like bullets?

On the contrary, I find this unfathomable that it could ever happen even once.

 

The only way this is possible is utter stupidity or inattention to detail.

 

If proper procedures are followed, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to shoot someone on a movie set with a prop gun.

 

(I probably sound like a gun nut.  I don't own any firearms, but I have a huge interest in military history and as a general rule, soldiers don't kill each other by "accident," despite everyone having live firearms all over the place.)

 

As Jesse Ventura (ex-Navy frogman, precursor to the SEALs, with combat duty in 'Nam) said in reaction to Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face, "There is no such thing as an 'accident'.  If you do this sort of thing it's because you don't know what the hell you are doing." 

 

EDIT:  I don't place blame at Baldwin's feet; it's with whoever is in charge of the guns on set, obviously.  

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Nextmanup

[Mark Vader]

13 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

On the contrary, I find this unfathomable that it could ever happen even once.

 

The only way this is possible is utter stupidity or inattention to detail.

 

If proper procedures are followed, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to shoot someone on a movie set with a prop gun.

 

(I probably sound like a gun nut.  I don't own any firearms, but I have a huge interest in military history and as a general rule, soldiers don't kill each other by "accident," despite everyone having live firearms all over the place.)

 

As Jesse Ventura (ex-Navy frogman, precursor to the SEALs, with combat duty in 'Nam) said in reaction to Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face, "There is no such thing as an 'accident'.  If you do this sort of thing it's because you don't know what the hell you are doing." 

 

EDIT:  I don't place blame at Baldwin's feet; it's with whoever is in charge of the guns on set, obviously.  

 

I believe that stems from a lot of people claiming that Cheney intentionally shot his friend, because he wanted to murder him.

Despite there being no proof of such a thing, rather just a bunch of people who hate Cheney, and them wanting that to be true.

 

Such a tragic thing to have happen. May God be with the family of this poor woman.

[Doc]

Hard to believe it was accidental.

[T&C]

33 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

On the contrary, I find this unfathomable that it could ever happen even once.

 

The only way this is possible is utter stupidity or inattention to detail.

 

If proper procedures are followed, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to shoot someone on a movie set with a prop gun.

 

(I probably sound like a gun nut.  I don't own any firearms, but I have a huge interest in military history and as a general rule, soldiers don't kill each other by "accident," despite everyone having live firearms all over the place.)

 

As Jesse Ventura (ex-Navy frogman, precursor to the SEALs, with combat duty in 'Nam) said in reaction to Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face, "There is no such thing as an 'accident'.  If you do this sort of thing it's because you don't know what the hell you are doing." 

 

EDIT:  I don't place blame at Baldwin's feet; it's with whoever is in charge of the guns on set, obviously.  

 

This is how its supposed to work regarding prop firearms:   https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/guns-on-movie-sets--how-does-that-work-

[Irv]

What I don't understand is why non-actors got shot.  Was Baldwin running around carelessly shooting the off-camera people like he's playing Cowboys and Indians?  Sounds like he screwed up or maybe did it on purpose.  Swapped out the gun for a real one.  Guy's a little bit of a loose cannon.  You've heard the recorded phone calls. 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Irv

[Bill from NYC]

12 minutes ago, Irv said:

What I don't understand is why non-actors got shot.  Was Baldwin running around carelessly shooting the off-camera people like he's playing Cowboys and Indians?  Sounds like he screwed up or maybe did it on purpose.  Swapped out the gun for a real one.  Guy's a little bit of a loose cannon.  You've heard the recorded phone calls. 

 

 

Exactly. And with his political connections, Baldwin stands a better chance of getting away with crimes. It wouldn't be the first time. This case needs to be investigated in an impartial manner (if possible). 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10119685/From-parking-lot-brawl-homophobic-slurs-Movie-set-shooting-tragedy-latest-Alec-Baldwin.html

[Irv]

18 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Exactly. And with his political connections, Baldwin stands a better chance of getting away with crimes. It wouldn't be the first time. This case needs to be investigated in an impartial manner (if possible). 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10119685/From-parking-lot-brawl-homophobic-slurs-Movie-set-shooting-tragedy-latest-Alec-Baldwin.html

 

I don't follow politics.  So not too sure about that.  But the guy is a real hothead.  Threatening his family.  Punching photographers.  Maybe it was a love triangle and he was angered at the woman for stealing his man.  Who knows?  But I agree.  There needs to be a serious investigation into this maniac.     

[T&C]

I dunno, if he was going to intentionally kill/hurt someone that doesn't sound like the landscape he would use with so many people around. My take is that it was a tragic accident in some way or another. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

What I don't understand is why non-actors got shot.  Was Baldwin running around carelessly shooting the off-camera people like he's playing Cowboys and Indians?  Sounds like he screwed up or maybe did it on purpose.  Swapped out the gun for a real one.  Guy's a little bit of a loose cannon.  You've heard the recorded phone calls. 

 

 

I mean all it would require is a scene where he's aiming towards or just off camera when it goes off for it to happen.

[Mr. K]

Ok, so when there is a witness to a death its still homicide right?

[RaoulDuke79]

A prime example of why QA/QC is needed. Seems there should be very strict protocols on the types of rounds they use. Maybe there is and they weren't followed. Not sure how a live round ever makes it to a movie set

 

Edited October 22, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[Beast]

12 minutes ago, Mr. K said:

Ok, so when there is a witness to a death its still homicide right?

There doesn’t need to be a witness for that.

[RaoulDuke79]

Who's going to play Alec Baldwin on this SNL skit?

[Rico]

 

[SirAndrew]

4 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

On the contrary, I find this unfathomable that it could ever happen even once.

 

The only way this is possible is utter stupidity or inattention to detail.

 

If proper procedures are followed, it should be IMPOSSIBLE to shoot someone on a movie set with a prop gun.

 

(I probably sound like a gun nut.  I don't own any firearms, but I have a huge interest in military history and as a general rule, soldiers don't kill each other by "accident," despite everyone having live firearms all over the place.)

 

As Jesse Ventura (ex-Navy frogman, precursor to the SEALs, with combat duty in 'Nam) said in reaction to Dick Cheney shooting his buddy in the face, "There is no such thing as an 'accident'.  If you do this sort of thing it's because you don't know what the hell you are doing." 

 

EDIT:  I don't place blame at Baldwin's feet; it's with whoever is in charge of the guns on set, obviously.  

 

That’s actually a great quote from Ventura. I’ll always remember my grandpa being all about safety from growing up on a farm long long ago. I took many of his lessons to heart, and I’m blown away by the lack of regard for safety that so many have around dangerous stuff these days. There’s a fine line between stupidity and intent when your ignorance harms others. People who lack the ability to utilize proper safety precautions are just as guilty as those with intent imo. Dumb isn’t an excuse for harming others. 

[RaoulDuke79]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

 

Guess the wondering is over.....this is a terrible situation for the victim, but maybe karma is real. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by RaoulDuke79

[T&C]

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show.

 

The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/crewmembers-walked-off-baldwin-film-to-protest-working-conditions-prior-to-fatal-firearm-incident

[RaoulDuke79]

2 minutes ago, T&C said:

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show.

 

The assistant director did not know the prop gun was loaded with live rounds, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court.

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/crewmembers-walked-off-baldwin-film-to-protest-working-conditions-prior-to-fatal-firearm-incident

This is so ***** up. Why was there a live round and why was he firing on a prop director. This will make for some juicy gossip. A lot of questions need to be answered. 

[RaoulDuke79]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Exactly. And with his political connections, Baldwin stands a better chance of getting away with crimes. It wouldn't be the first time. This case needs to be investigated in an impartial manner (if possible). 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10119685/From-parking-lot-brawl-homophobic-slurs-Movie-set-shooting-tragedy-latest-Alec-Baldwin.html

Now wait a minute. This link opens up a whole new can of worms. How is he still employed in Hollywood if he used homophobic slurs. He must have some deeeeep connections. 

[Irv]

Why was he aiming wildly firing shots at everyone offscreen?  Did he lose it again?  Is this a multiple attempted murder?  Dude lost it again. Sad.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Irv

[LeGOATski]

I feel like I stumbled into a PPP thread

[TBBills]

Time to sell some tinfoil hats in this thread.

[Bill from NYC]

7 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Now wait a minute. This link opens up a whole new can of worms. How is he still employed in Hollywood if he used homophobic slurs. He must have some deeeeep connections. 

No surprise here. He will more than likely get away with his latest bad act with no consequences, but make no mistake; his bad behavior is not finished.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[Doc Brown]

Did the cinematographer drive a Hyundai?

2 hours ago, TBBills said:

Time to sell some tinfoil hats in this thread.

Alec Baldwin is far too stupid to find a way get away with murder.

[Bill from NYC]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Did the cinematographer drive a Hyundai?

Alec Baldwin is far too stupid to find a way get away with murder.

I think that his victim needed one of these.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Bill from NYC

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

I heard he drinks baby blood with low-ranking senators and various state representitives...

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I think that his victim needed one of these.

For the record, I don’t think Alec Baldwin drinks blood, concocted a plan to off a cinematographer on a movie set and I don’t wear a tin foil hat because it chafes where the hair used to be. 
 

I do think he’s a loose cannon, a hypocrite, emotionally unstable, is enabled by his peers in an industry full of hypocrites, and lives a life filled with chaos.  It would not surprise me in the least to see his life take a dark turn where someone in his personal, non-professional sphere ended up seriously injured or dead. 
 

There are reports that this movie production was chaotic, that financial commitments we’re not being kept, that security was lax, and that a number of professional crew members walked off the set earlier that day and were replaced with new people.  Those stories, if true, mirror the drama that always seems to follow this guy and might well foster a dangerous environment on this particular set. 
 

As producer of the film and guy who fired the shot, I’d think it’s absolutely fair to investigate and speculate about his intentions, actions, and culpability,  especially in light of his very public stance on the police and gun control generally.  It seems in real life “I thought…” doesn’t really cut it for him,  especially in light of his Michael Brown  t shirt stupidity above.  
 

I also wonder, generally, why in a world of carefully crafted illusion there would be any “prop” that included projectiles fired from a weapon at or in the direction of people.  I also wonder if any of those involved took even the most rudimentary gun safety course.  
 

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[ExiledInIllinois]

I wonder if someone set up Alec Baldwin.

 

He's definitely made enemies...

 

Someone/entity had to set him up.

 

The law enforcement establishment community would have the ability to do this, don't they regulate this stuff?

Edited October 23, 2021 by ExiledInIllinois

[Rico]

16 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I wonder if someone set up Alec Baldwin.

 

He's definitely made enemies...

 

Someone/entity had to set him up.

 

The law enforcement establishment community would have the ability to do this, don't they regulate this stuff?

Could be. He should say about this on Twitter.  

[Dr. Who]

52 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

For the record, I don’t think Alec Baldwin drinks blood, concocted a plan to off a cinematographer on a movie set and I don’t wear a tin foil hat because it chafes where the hair used to be. 
 

I do think he’s a loose cannon, a hypocrite, emotionally unstable, is enabled by his peers in an industry full of hypocrites, and lives a life filled with chaos.  It would not surprise me in the least to see his life take a dark turn where someone in his personal, non-professional sphere ended up seriously injured or dead. 
 

There are reports that this movie production was chaotic, that financial commitments we’re not being kept, that security was lax, and that a number of professional crew members walked off the set earlier that day and were replaced with new people.  Those stories, if true, mirror the drama that always seems to follow this guy and might well foster a dangerous environment on this particular set. 
 

As producer of the film and guy who fired the shot, I’d think it’s absolutely fair to investigate and speculate about his intentions, actions, and culpability,  especially in light of his very public stance on the police and gun control generally.  It seems in real life “I thought…” doesn’t really cut it for him,  especially in light of his Michael Brown  t shirt stupidity above.  
 

I also wonder, generally, why in a world of carefully crafted illusion there would be any “prop” that included projectiles fired from a weapon at or in the direction of people.  I also wonder if any of those involved took even the most rudimentary gun safety course.  
 

 

Fella went out of his way to publicize his political commitments and to cast shade on those who hold differing opinions. Then he does something like this which is only the last in a long litany of bad behavior and folks are going to get irritated by the taint of PPP in a thread? It's a terrible situation and I'm sorry for everyone involved, but it's not ridiculous to question what the hell was going on.

[Rico]

Should he be locked up? I don’t think so.

 

Does he deserve to be trolled over this 24/7 for the rest of his life? Absolutely! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I wonder if someone set up Alec Baldwin.

 

He's definitely made enemies...

 

Someone/entity had to set him up.

 

The law enforcement establishment community would have the ability to do this, don't they regulate this stuff?

You’re thinking it that the law enforcement community had the ability to set him up, and that someone put a live round in the gun in order to have him shoot a cinematographer?  

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Just Jack]

It seems it was not the first time on that set that a gun went off with live rounds...

 

'Rust' crew describes on-set gun safety issues and misfires days before fatal shooting

 

Quote

Baldwin's stunt double accidentally fired two rounds Saturday after being told that the gun was "cold" — lingo for a weapon that doesn't have any ammunition, including blanks — two crew members who witnessed the episode told the Los Angeles Times.

...

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe," according to a copy of the message reviewed by The Times.

 

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Your thinking it that the law enforcement community had the ability to set him up, and that someone put a live round in the gun in order to have him shoot a cinematographer?  

 

Well, from the article I linked above....

 

Quote

Hutchins had been advocating for safer conditions for her team and was tearful when the camera crew left, said one crew member who was on the set.

 

[T&C]

He was told it was a "cold" gun before the scene began:

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/crewmembers-walked-off-baldwin-film-to-protest-working-conditions-prior-to-fatal-firearm-incident

[johndhall1]

8 minutes ago, T&C said:

He was told it was a "cold" gun before the scene began:

 

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/entertainment/2021/10/22/crewmembers-walked-off-baldwin-film-to-protest-working-conditions-prior-to-fatal-firearm-incident

 

Firearms Safety 101. Every gun is loaded until YOU confirm that it's not. Baldwin should absolutely be charged

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, johndhall1 said:

Firearms Safety 101. Every gun is loaded until YOU confirm that it's not. Baldwin should absolutely be charged

 

A friend of my father used to teach a hunter safety course.  First day, first thing he would do, is to ask someone to hand him a rifle that he had placed on a table earlier.  Most of the time the person would without question.  He would use that as a scenario about not handing over a gun unless you knew how to check it was empty. 

Edited October 23, 2021 by Just Jack

[johndhall1]

%1000

[Irv]

So lunatic Baldwin is the Executive Producer for the movie?  And he totally disregarded safety on the set, carelessly firing a gun with live rounds at innocent co-workers?  What’s wrong with this guy?  He should be behind bars now.