Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 This week's Jim Kubiak Analysis from TBN https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-how-bills-used-unique-rpo-concepts-how-titans-made-josh-allen-uncomfortable/article_74cf078c-3136-11ec-81e1-7f49b77924f9.html Some interesting breakdown of Daboll's use of RPOs early in the game. Key assessment of the 4th and inches play (Kubiak incorrectly calls it "fourth and goal"): Quote In spite of it all, Allen came roaring back. With seconds remaining, on fourth-and-goal, Daboll called Allen’s number on a quarterback wedge. On the road, with the best quarterback in the NFL, you absolutely go for the win. The offensive linemen were tasked to step down to the inside gap, creating a “V” type wedge for the quarterback to fall forward. The key point here was that the offensive linemen cannot allow penetration across their face into their inside gap. Unfortunately for the Bills, Dawkins was beaten badly to his inside gap and subsequently pushed backward onto his back. This missed block caused Allen’s slip and he fell short. For those who say it never should have come to that on the 2nd to last drive, Kubiak appears to agree with you: Quote On first-and-10 from the Bills’ 37-yard line, Allen was sacked. Singletary and Sweeney released into the flat for checkdowns, as the Titans rushed only four defenders. This meant that the Titans dropped seven into zone coverage. The smart play here for Allen would have been to get the ball underneath the coverage. He waited too long, tried to do too much and was subsequently sacked. The next play, on second-and-17, Allen, again, was trying to hit a big play, this time waiting for Sanders to get down the middle of the field. This forced throw was nearly intercepted. When you look at the video, you can see both Sweeney and Singletary open in the flats under the coverage. A completion here would have made the next play a more manageable third-down situation. On the next play, third-and-17, the Bills were in a three receiver alignment to Allen’s right, and they released Singletary on a swing to the three-receiver side. Allen had the option of hitting Singletary under the Titans deep coverage, which would have given him an opportunity to run for the first down after the catch. Allen chose a more difficult comeback route at the first down markers that was incomplete and well out of bounds. This three-play sequence of trying to force the ball into deep zone coverage was exactly what the Titans were hoping for from Allen, an MVP candidate trying to do MVP type things. The deep coverage worked in that the Titans were able to take away the big play and only give Allen the short underneath opportunities, which he did not take. This was not great defense, it was a lapse in judgement for what should have been the necessary decisions to move the ball against those deep, zone defenses. Kubiak ends "Allen and the Bills were still the better team, despite the loss." I don't know that I can agree; game has 3 phases and our D was a sieve. We need to be better there. The article has great video clips and play diagrams and is well worth the trial subscription IMHO. (Full disclosure some people have complained it is an ad-riddled, slow to load bad website but it behaves perfectly for me. I do use ad blockers on my 'puter and the latest iOS on my idevices.) 5 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 If that was Allen uncomfortable, that’s scary. 74%, 370+ total yards, 3 TD’s. 11 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 What I took away is the final paragraph. Spot on. The NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint. As the Bills head off into their bye week, rest assured this painful loss will be felt across the organization and it will undoubtedly stoke the fire for a postseason run. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_D Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 What I took away from this, and I only read OPs quotes, is that Allen was trying to make too many big plays. Which honestly seems like his m.o. He has been learning to go with what the Defense gives him, he just need to do it more often. I really feel, had he hit those shorter passes, they could have extended more drives, took more time off the clock and so on. I have no doubt that this game will help him even more in making that adjustment, taking what is given and not trying to force it. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Agreed amazing in a game where Josh was panicked he could have easily put 38 on the titans if not for his feet giving out…the issue this game was Leslie Frazier refusing to be a little more aggressive and not realizing this was Ryan Tannehill and not Patrick Mahomes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, the_D said: What I took away from this, and I only read OPs quotes, is that Allen was trying to make too many big plays. Which honestly seems like his m.o. He has been learning to go with what the Defense gives him, he just need to do it more often. I really feel, had he hit those shorter passes, they could have extended more drives, took more time off the clock and so on. I have no doubt that this game will help him even more in making that adjustment, taking what is given and not trying to force it. I feel the same was true earlier in the game - there was a 3rd and 5 in the RZ I think where he wound up throwing the ball away. He had Moss in the flats with a ton of green grass in front of him. Moss gets up a head of steam and even if he's tackled behind the line of gain, chances are good he churns his legs and gets the 1st down. Josh needs to learn to take what the defense is serving up to him on a fine China platter I think your interpretation is accurate, but there's a ***** ton of good stuff in there about a bunch of the good things Allen did. 59 minutes ago, Einstein said: If that was Allen uncomfortable, that’s scary. 74%, 370+ total yards, 3 TD’s. Yeah, Kubiak doesn't say this, but it spotlights the Elephant in the Room - that the real problem was that 31 points wasn't enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Einstein said: If that was Allen uncomfortable, that’s scary. 74%, 370+ total yards, 3 TD’s. Great numbers indeed. But Einstein should know that decision making is also important and not always reflected on the stat sheet. That 2nd last drive could have iced the game. You have to take what’s given and be patient. Allen is still learning. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Great numbers indeed. But Einstein should know that decision making is also important and not always reflected on the stat sheet. That 2nd last drive could have iced the game. You have to take what’s given and be patient. Allen is still learning. Hero ball always creeps on the scene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Hero ball always creeps on the scene That's part of it. I think another part is that he hasn't played much with guys who could reliably get YAC (sometimes on him, due to ball placement). So I think in part, he's trained himself to look for throws that will move the chains without YAC. 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Great numbers indeed. But Einstein should know that decision making is also important and not always reflected on the stat sheet. That 2nd last drive could have iced the game. You have to take what’s given and be patient. Allen is still learning. That's very true, but it's also true that the Elephant in the Room is that the 2nd to last drive needed points because our defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Hero ball always creeps on the scene There were a few short WIDE OPEN throws he missed trying to go deep. Dont forget the play Sanders was WIDE open in the back of the end zone and Josh just didn't see him. Hes absolutely better but there is a lot to work on to be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Einstein said: If that was Allen uncomfortable, that’s scary. 74%, 370+ total yards, 3 TD’s. I would say he was uncomfortable a fair bit from the defensive line, but the poor secondary play neutralized that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Great numbers indeed. But Einstein should know that decision making is also important and not always reflected on the stat sheet. That 2nd last drive could have iced the game. You have to take what’s given and be patient. Allen is still learning. True but I remember him hitting that deep shot to John Brown in the first Fins game last year icing the game. I don't mind going for the kill shot. However, in this instance I agree with you in that he should've just taken what's given since the Titans were obviously protecting against the deep ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Draconator said: What I took away is the final paragraph. Spot on. The NFL season is a marathon, not a sprint. As the Bills head off into their bye week, rest assured this painful loss will be felt across the organization and it will undoubtedly stoke the fire for a postseason run. Kind of like last year going into our bye week off of the Hail Murray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's part of it. I think another part is that he hasn't played much with guys who could reliably get YAC (sometimes on him, due to ball placement). So I think in part, he's trained himself to look for throws that will move the chains without YAC. That's very true, but it's also true that the Elephant in the Room is that the 2nd to last drive needed points because our defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. On the sack play on the second last posession, Sanders was wide open for 15-20 yard gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Kubiak's analysis is awesome. I feel like I much better understand what happened in the game after reading his stuff, because as just your average fan, I find it hard to judge based on my "lay" observations. It always amazes me how many folks on this Board seem to see so much more and seemingly know who messed up on a play. I mean I can see the obvious, but the subtleties of game I need guidance from a guy like Kubiak. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBuffalo Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 This whole article is the reason all week, when I think of the game, I have been shaking my head and saying to myself “just get it done”. It felt like there were way too many things that could and should of happened. If you are good be good already! It’s an odd feeling when your expectations are “we should win this game” after decades to the contrary. It makes losses even harder to comprehend. But, marathon season…I suppose but are you good good? Or you just sort of good? Long bye week to gnaw on that one. Go Bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This week's Jim Kubiak Analysis from TBN https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-how-bills-used-unique-rpo-concepts-how-titans-made-josh-allen-uncomfortable/article_74cf078c-3136-11ec-81e1-7f49b77924f9.html Some interesting breakdown of Daboll's use of RPOs early in the game. Key assessment of the 4th and inches play (Kubiak incorrectly calls it "fourth and goal"): For those who say it never should have come to that on the 2nd to last drive, Kubiak appears to agree with you: Kubiak ends "Allen and the Bills were still the better team, despite the loss." I don't know that I can agree; game has 3 phases and our D was a sieve. We need to be better there. The article has great video clips and play diagrams and is well worth the trial subscription IMHO. (Full disclosure some people have complained it is an ad-riddled, slow to load bad website but it behaves perfectly for me. I do use ad blockers on my 'puter and the latest iOS on my idevices.) I absolutely thought the Bills were the better team. A couple of points about that. Offensively, the Bills were excellent. Allen just reverted to his high school days. That three-play sequence he went against all the principles he's been taught in the last few years. And the quarterback sneak was his misperceiving the situation - he shouldn't have checked down. As for the defense, it was pretty simple, and ESPN showed it on one replay late in the game. By the fourth quarter, the Bills were overreacting so much to the play fake that they were leaving the huge expanses of open field underneath the safeties and corners, and Tannehill was having no trouble finding open receivers for easy completions. I say overreacting because as I've thought more about the game and looked at the stats, I realized that Henry didn't kill the Bills. It fell like he did, but the numbers say otherwise. He had a yard run. Take that away, and he gained 3.5 yards per carry. The Bills stopped him a lot at the LOS, and he got a few 10-yard runs or so. I'm not so sure they needed to react that way. I've never understood the difference between run blitzes and pass blitzes, but it seems to me that if the Bills had blitzed more, they could have maintained their ability to control Henry by denying him gaps, AND they could have put more pressure on Tannehill, making it tougher for him to make the downfield throws. The Bills rushed four pretty much all night, and they got close to Tannehill often, but didn't really make him uncomfortable. I think they could have brought 5 and 6 more often and made him get rid of the ball earlier, or sacked him, and maybe even taken the ball away. Yes, in the fourth quarter the defense was a sieve, but I don't think it had to be that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I absolutely thought the Bills were the better team. A couple of points about that. Offensively, the Bills were excellent. Allen just reverted to his high school days. That three-play sequence he went against all the principles he's been taught in the last few years. And the quarterback sneak was his misperceiving the situation - he shouldn't have checked down. I've asked this elsewhere and didn't see an answer. Whence comes the info that Allen checked into that QB sneak play? Thanks. 26 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: As for the defense, it was pretty simple, and ESPN showed it on one replay late in the game. By the fourth quarter, the Bills were overreacting so much to the play fake that they were leaving the huge expanses of open field underneath the safeties and corners, and Tannehill was having no trouble finding open receivers for easy completions. I say overreacting because as I've thought more about the game and looked at the stats, I realized that Henry didn't kill the Bills. It fell like he did, but the numbers say otherwise. He had a yard run. Take that away, and he gained 3.5 yards per carry. The Bills stopped him a lot at the LOS, and he got a few 10-yard runs or so. That's a bit like saying "Other than That, Mrs. Lincoln, How did you Like the Play? 26 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I'm not so sure they needed to react that way. I've never understood the difference between run blitzes and pass blitzes, but it seems to me that if the Bills had blitzed more, they could have maintained their ability to control Henry by denying him gaps, AND they could have put more pressure on Tannehill, making it tougher for him to make the downfield throws. The Bills rushed four pretty much all night, and they got close to Tannehill often, but didn't really make him uncomfortable. I think they could have brought 5 and 6 more often and made him get rid of the ball earlier, or sacked him, and maybe even taken the ball away. Yes, in the fourth quarter entire second half the defense was a sieve, but I don't think it had to be that way. FIFY Seriously though, you bring up a point. Leslie Frazier even said, in a piece on the Bills at halftime, that they don't like to adjust the gameplan. He cast it as causing the players to "lose confidence" by the message "we worked on this all week and now you're changing it already?" But another way to look at it is, if something was worked on all week, and isn't stopping the opponent, wouldn't the guys charged with executing the gameplan prefer a change to something that might better suit what the opponent is actually doing? This seems as though it could be a flawed philosophy for the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 18 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Great numbers indeed. But Einstein should know that decision making is also important and not always reflected on the stat sheet. That 2nd last drive could have iced the game. You have to take what’s given and be patient. Allen is still learning. https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/235268-the-turning-point-in-the-monday-night-game-for-me/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-7362779 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I've asked this elsewhere and didn't see an answer. Whence comes the info that Allen checked into that QB sneak play? Thanks. On the first page of Thr Rockpule Review, WhoTom said this: "One point about the 4th-and-1 play call: McD said Josh made the decision to change from whatever play Daboll called and sneak it instead. They gave him the authority to do so." No link. WhoTom doesn't make stuff up. I assumed it came from the postgame interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Hap - I just went back and listened to McD's presser after the game. He doesn't say it directly, but at one point he says "I'm gonna trust my players," and it seems like he meant he's going to trust Josh to get the yardage. Didn't necessarily mean that Josh changed the call. But then later someone asked whether Josh had an option or choice, and McDermott said he did, and Josh has usually been excellent in making that decision. Now, again, it isn't clear that Josh changed the play; McDermott may have meant that they called the sneak but Josh has options as to how to run it, where to attack it. That "sneak" he ran around left end a couple of weeks ago clearly was Josh reading the defense and attacking where he saw the weakness. So, I didn't find (didn't look too hard) McDermott saying that Josh changed the play, but it's clear that at least some of the responsibility for running the play and how it was run was on Allen. Someone else commented that the Bills had three receivers in the end zone on that play, and the body language of each suggested some disappointment or frustration. That's not right. The wideouts just stood at the line as the ball was snapped and pretty much just watched. The sneak had to have been called either in the huddle or at the line, because the receivers had nothing to do except line up in places that would keep three defenders too far from the play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Why are people wondering whether the sneak was the called play? How many times over the last two years have we not run a sneak in that situation? The play against the Steelers where Allen threw the backward pass and a couple of times that Allen took it outside rather then over the tackle. IMO if that sneak is blocked correctly Allen makes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 IMO that drive stalled when the Bills got conservative once they were in the Red Zone. If the goal was to win the game in Regulation the Bills should have attacked the end zone on the first 3 downs and then kick the FG. Especially on first down instead of running Moss for a few yards. The truth is that with a few exceptions most of our runs the last two years on first down have been wasted plays either not gaining much or actually losing yards. I suspect that we got cute at the end trying to run down the clock AND score a winning TD. In hindsight scoring a TD and taking a 4 point lead with 45 seconds left is pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Hap - I just went back and listened to McD's presser after the game. He doesn't say it directly, but at one point he says "I'm gonna trust my players," and it seems like he meant he's going to trust Josh to get the yardage. Didn't necessarily mean that Josh changed the call. But then later someone asked whether Josh had an option or choice, and McDermott said he did, and Josh has usually been excellent in making that decision. Now, again, it isn't clear that Josh changed the play; McDermott may have meant that they called the sneak but Josh has options as to how to run it, where to attack it. That "sneak" he ran around left end a couple of weeks ago clearly was Josh reading the defense and attacking where he saw the weakness. So, I didn't find (didn't look too hard) McDermott saying that Josh changed the play, but it's clear that at least some of the responsibility for running the play and how it was run was on Allen. Someone else commented that the Bills had three receivers in the end zone on that play, and the body language of each suggested some disappointment or frustration. That's not right. The wideouts just stood at the line as the ball was snapped and pretty much just watched. The sneak had to have been called either in the huddle or at the line, because the receivers had nothing to do except line up in places that would keep three defenders too far from the play. I listened to both interviews and did not hear McD saying Josh changed the play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I listened to both interviews and did not hear McD saying Josh changed the play same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: On the first page of Thr Rockpule Review, WhoTom said this: "One point about the 4th-and-1 play call: McD said Josh made the decision to change from whatever play Daboll called and sneak it instead. They gave him the authority to do so." No link. WhoTom doesn't make stuff up. I assumed it came from the postgame interview. Im not saying “made stuff up” but is it not legit to ask when & where it was said? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Why are people wondering whether the sneak was the called play? How many times over the last two years have we not run a sneak in that situation? The play against the Steelers where Allen threw the backward pass and a couple of times that Allen took it outside rather then over the tackle. IMO if that sneak is blocked correctly Allen makes it. it was absolutely the right call for him to audible to if that is what happened. We had more guys on the line than they did. What we wasn’t anticipating was Dawkins getting driven 2 yards backwards at the snap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I listened to both interviews and did not hear McD saying Josh changed the play After the game he was asked if Josh had options, and McDermott said yes. It was clear that McDermott meant that Josh did some decision making on the play. Maybe it only meant he had options to choose the hole, I don't know. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: is it not legit to ask when & where it was said? Of course it is. I didn't say it wasn't. You asked me how I knew that Allen changed the play. I went back and found where I heard it and showed it to you. I also told you that there was no link, and that I generally trust what WhoTom says. None of that suggests that that inquiry should stop there. And then I went and did the research and explained that I didn't find anything saying Allen changed the play, just that he had options. I'm not sure why you're asking this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Kubiak was spot on with his analysis of Allen’s 3 play sequence in the 4th qtr...he makes my point why I thought that particular drive lost the game, when we could have managed the clock better, by matriculating the ball down the field, especially when the Titan’s was playing us deep...And we wouldn’t have needed to worry about converting on 4th down... Edited October 22, 2021 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: it was absolutely the right call for him to audible to if that is what happened. We had more guys on the line than they did. What we wasn’t anticipating was Dawkins getting driven 2 yards backwards at the snap. Looked to me like the DL guessed the snap count. He was off before Dawkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I agree with the second Kubiak statement but disagree with the first. Allen was not right call on fourth and short because of how well the Titans were defending Allen runs this game. McDermott always talks about situational football and in this situation a QB sneak wasn't the right play call even though it normally works. The Titans were too physical up front for us and the trick play we used for the 2point conversation should have been used on fourth and short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Of course it is. I didn't say it wasn't. You asked me how I knew that Allen changed the play. I went back and found where I heard it and showed it to you. I also told you that there was no link, and that I generally trust what WhoTom says. None of that suggests that that inquiry should stop there. You said "WhoTom doesn't make stuff up" as though questioning him constituted an unreasonable accusation of "making stuff up", or at least so it seemed to me. If you'd said "I generally trust WhoTom" I would not have asked "may it not be questioned?" That's one of the places I asked, BTW and got no answer. I feel I should add I generally agree with most of what you said in your "humbled at the goal line" thread, especially that McDermott's goal is for the team to be playing its best in December, not October. That said, it was supremely frustrating not to take that W home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 he didn't look uncomfortable. he looked great to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I agree with the second Kubiak statement but disagree with the first. Allen was not right call on fourth and short because of how well the Titans were defending Allen runs this game. McDermott always talks about situational football and in this situation a QB sneak wasn't the right play call even though it normally works. The Titans were too physical up front for us and the trick play we used for the 2point conversation should have been used on fourth and short. It's possible there was a similar play called and Josh didn't like what the defense was showing and audibled to the sneak. I tend to agree with you but that's sheer 20/20 hindsight on both our parts. If a play were too tricky and got blown up people would be saying "why not sneak, what's Allen's success rate there, ride the hot hand?" 13 hours ago, vincec said: Looked to me like the DL guessed the snap count. He was off before Dawkins. IMO the Titans were jumping our snap all night. I expect Barkley got a huge cheer in the locker room, but really, we need to self-scout and change more stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Someone else commented that the Bills had three receivers in the end zone on that play, and the body language of each suggested some disappointment or frustration. That's not right. The wideouts just stood at the line as the ball was snapped and pretty much just watched. The sneak had to have been called either in the huddle or at the line, because the receivers had nothing to do except line up in places that would keep three defenders too far from the play. That's not right either, they really should run a route to give Josh options. For example, if his LT gets blown backwards and pushed onto his ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 If he thinks Allen had a bad or "off" game, then I can live with Josh's performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, nucci said: he didn't look uncomfortable. he looked great to me You know Allen has arrived as an elite NFL QB when folks can pick apart his Monday night performance. Kind of like last year in the NFC Championship game where some criticized Rogers for not trying to run it in from the 8 or the snipes Mahomes took last week in Washington for throwing two first half TD.s. Allen has entered fine company in the make believe issues department. 50 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: If he thinks Allen had a bad or "off" game, then I can live with Josh's performance. Yep if Monday night was an "off game", Allen has made a lot of progress from 2019. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's not right either, they really should run a route to give Josh options. For example, if his LT gets blown backwards and pushed onto his ass. I'm glad you said that. Why wouldn't those guys run some kind of route? Who knows what might happen on the play? Or come down the line to block, if that's still legal. Why wouldn't you want the QB to have the option to back off the pile and throw it? That seems obvious. Bills had three guys on the field who were total observers. Granted, they occupied three defenders, to make the play 8 on 8, but that's not getting the most out of the fact that rules let you play with 11. 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You said "WhoTom doesn't make stuff up" as though questioning him constituted an unreasonable accusation of "making stuff up", or at least so it seemed to me. If you'd said "I generally trust WhoTom" I would not have asked "may it not be questioned?" That's one of the places I asked, BTW and got no answer. I feel I should add I generally agree with most of what you said in your "humbled at the goal line" thread, especially that McDermott's goal is for the team to be playing its best in December, not October. That said, it was supremely frustrating not to take that W home. Thanks for this explanation. I wasn't trying to suggest that WhoTom is an infallible source. I was only trying to explain why I relied on what he said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The highest paid lineman on the team got blown up. He stalemates and does not win Allen still gets it. 100’% the right call. Buffalo led by a wide margin in almost every area. A few tweaks and this very likley will be Buffalos last loss for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 8:51 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: This week's Jim Kubiak Analysis from TBN https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-how-bills-used-unique-rpo-concepts-how-titans-made-josh-allen-uncomfortable/article_74cf078c-3136-11ec-81e1-7f49b77924f9.html Some interesting breakdown of Daboll's use of RPOs early in the game. Key assessment of the 4th and inches play (Kubiak incorrectly calls it "fourth and goal"): For those who say it never should have come to that on the 2nd to last drive, Kubiak appears to agree with you: Kubiak ends "Allen and the Bills were still the better team, despite the loss." I don't know that I can agree; game has 3 phases and our D was a sieve. We need to be better there. The article has great video clips and play diagrams and is well worth the trial subscription IMHO. (Full disclosure some people have complained it is an ad-riddled, slow to load bad website but it behaves perfectly for me. I do use ad blockers on my 'puter and the latest iOS on my idevices.) "Better team" is a loaded term that can mean a lot of things. In the end it is hard to argue that the better team was the team that lost. However, I think the it can be argued that the Bills are a deeper and more talent laden team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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