Josh Allen 2022 season verdict... OC & DC let him down: 64.5% comp %, 51 TDs, 18 TOs, 97.9 Passer Rating, 313 YPG (offseason assessments page 46 on)

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

You completely wrote it off by saying "No week 17 happened instead" when someone brought it up as a good point for Allen that happened recently. 

 

"No, Allen just threw 3 picks against the Atlanta Falcons.  Joe Burrow just threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's against the #1 seed in the AFC."

 

But whatever, zero in on this most recent game, I don't really care. Next week when Allen dismantles the Jets, Falcons will be 2 weeks away and wont matter in the MVP vote, right?

Yeah because Josh just had a pretty bad game. I was talking about peaking. Joe Burrow is peaking, Josh is not, because Joe Burrow just knocked off the one seed and is playing out of his mind, and Josh, despite having a great game against the Pats, just played kinda brutal against the Falcons.

 

This isn’t difficult to understand for folks who don’t have a weird Josh Allen chip on their shoulder. I still think he’s great and one of the best QB’s in football and I think someone else has better odds for MVP. Sacrilege, I know. Burn me at the stake!

[BigBuff423]

It's a tired and old discussion at this point, but does anyone truly believe that Josh WOULDN'T benefit from a dome? Is it that hard to see that in a controlled environment his abilities are on full display as opposed to overcoming the wind, precipitation, and at times the cold? People argue that Rodgers and others play in cold, and yes, they do. But they rarely play in the full on wind, snow, and rain that Buffalo plays in at least a three times per year at home. Oh, and that means at 8 games, that's roughly 40% of their home games. In December 2014, when the Pack came to Buffalo, Rodgers went 17-42 for 185 yards, and 2 INTs - with no TDs. That's the last time the Pack came to Buffalo. No, one game doesn't provide context, but it does show that weather can impact any player - no matter how great they are. 

 

Josh's worst games tend to come in challenging weather...that's not an indictment against him nor is it an excuse. But to think that weather doesn't impact gameplay would be myopic in my opinion and a refusal to accept reality. Put Josh in a dome for 8 or 9 games, plus Miami, plus the southern and / or dome teams he plays, I think you'd see a drastic jump in the numbers. I truly do believe a 5,000 yard 50 total TD season is very possible in a dome for Josh. But I also think this team needs to continue to evolve and become less QB dependent given the current situation. To see more of Motor doing what he's done the last few weeks, getting Breida out of the backfield as a receiver and speed guy on the edges and mixing in Moss for some runs as well does an Offense good! 

 

Do I believe Josh is an MVP contender? Yes, but those that vote would need to watch the entire game and not just his 2 INTs. Because while those were disheartening, he also showed why he is an MVP candidate. He took the team on his back, and willed them to a win when the weather refused to help. The Offensive Line got better with run blocking and Motor showed his tenacity, which is exactly what he needs to keep his game at this productive level. But let's not get it twisted, Josh carried the team and the MVP is short for Most VALUABLE Player to his team in the league....Josh is that, to his credit and to the team's detriment.

[section122]

I'm all caught up on this thread and I have to say....

 

Rodgers could win it but Brady will win it.

 

More than anything MVP is a narrative award.  Don't discount how upset the media was with Rodgers skirting covid rules and being "immunized".  Brady at 44 is having another all time year.  At his age, I think he gets the cherry on top MVP.

 

Brady has almost 1k more passing yards than Rodgers, is the only qb in the league averaging over 300 ypg, and has the most td throws.  He has 2 5td games and another 4 4tds games.  He has 3 400 yard passing games.  He is going to end the year with over 5000 passing yards and 40 tds.  

 

I know nobody here wants to see it but I feel it is inevitable.  Charity bet anyone?

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

 

Do I believe Josh is an MVP contender? Yes, but those that vote would need to watch the entire game and not just his 2 INTs. Because while those were disheartening, he also showed why he is an MVP candidate. He took the team on his back, and willed them to a win when the weather refused to help. The Offensive Line got better with run blocking and Motor showed his tenacity, which is exactly what he needs to keep his game at this productive level. But let's not get it twisted, Josh carried the team and the MVP is short for Most VALUABLE Player to his team in the league....Josh is that, to his credit and to the team's detriment.

1. he had 3 INTs, not 2

2. they aren’t building a dome

3. the weather was not that bad yesterday by game time. It was cold, yes, but most of the snow had already fallen and the wind wasn’t bad

4. yeah, the no. 1 defense that blanked ATL in the 2nd half, or Motor running so well, had nothing to do with that win. All Josh - he willed them to victory 🙄

 

Allen put together enough running the ball to salvage his day. But he did not carry them to that win. 

[BigBuff423]

33 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

1. he had 3 INTs, not 2

2. they aren’t building a dome

3. the weather was not that bad yesterday by game time. It was cold, yes, but most of the snow had already fallen and the wind wasn’t bad

4. yeah, the no. 1 defense that blanked ATL in the 2nd half, or Motor running so well, had nothing to do with that win. All Josh - he willed them to victory 🙄

 

Allen put together enough running the ball to salvage his day. But he did not carry them to that win. 

 

1. Fair point, my bad

2. You don't know the Bills aren't building a dome and when you say it like a fact the tone of a statement which is in fact an opinion, only serves to be aloof rather than engaging. Don't be condescending, there's no need. We're all fans and sharing our perspectives. 

3. I continued to watch the snow fall throughout the game, and precipitation covered the turf throughout the game. Go watch and come back to correct your error.

4. Nobody said the Defense didn't help and I think I actually said Motor running with tenacity helped him and the team. But Josh put the team on his back...again, go watch the game again and take your initial impressions out of it. 

 

You cannot say he did enough to salvage his day, when the Falcons did everything to take the passing game away, and also used that game plan to do exactly that by getting those 3 INTs and then say Josh didn't carry the team with his play. But, your opinion is just as valid as any others, so we'll just agree to disagree. 

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

1. Fair point, my bad

2. You don't know the Bills aren't building a dome and when you say it like a fact the tone of a statement which is in fact an opinion, only serves to be aloof rather than engaging. Don't be condescending, there's no need. We're all fans and sharing our perspectives. 

3. I continued to watch the snow fall throughout the game, and precipitation covered the turf throughout the game. Go watch and come back to correct your error.

4. Nobody said the Defense didn't help and I think I actually said Motor running with tenacity helped him and the team. But Josh put the team on his back...again, go watch the game again and take your initial impressions out of it. 

 

You cannot say he did enough to salvage his day, when the Falcons did everything to take the passing game away, and also used that game plan to do exactly that by getting those 3 INTs and then say Josh didn't carry the team with his play. But, your opinion is just as valid as any others, so we'll just agree to disagree. 

I will correct myself - all signs so far indicate they are not building a domed stadium. 
 

I was at the game I don’t need to watch it on tv to get an accurate idea of how the weather was. The snowfall was negligible.

Edited January 4, 2022 by JoPoy88

[transplantbillsfan]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Joe Burrow is peaking late. Josh Allen is not. 
 

If Burrow goes off again on the Browns next week he could win it IMO.

 

"Goes off."

 

You do realize Allen sits alone as having the 2nd most TDs in the NFL right now, right?

 

What if both Josh Allen and Joe Burrow accumulate 400 total yards and 4 TDs and 0 Turnovers next game.

 

How is Burrow (40 TDs, 4568 yards, 16 turnovers) a guy who could win it at that point while Allen (44 TDs, 5268 yards, 18 turnovers) could not?

 

That would mean in their last 5 respective games they'd have both gone 4-1 and had 15 TDs for their respective teams, both division winners.

 

Does it then become about yards? But on the year Allen has 700 more yards than Burrow and is 80% of Buffalo’s offense whereas Burrow is 76.6% of his.

 

Turnovers? Okay 2 more on the year. But Allen has the ball in his hands more as just mentioned.

 

All of this is to say... aren't you one of the guys now saying Allen has no shot for MVP at this point? If that's true how the hell does Burrow have a shot?

Edited January 4, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[Scott7975]

20 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

In all honesty, this is what bugs me as this is what we hear a lot - hope Josh learns, hope Josh learns, hope Josh learns. But we’ve seen this creep back into his game just when we do think he has learned; the Steelers was a shaky performance all round, then (yes, with a bad O-Line) the Jags, then the Pats, then the first half against the Bucs, then the Pats at home, then the second quarter yesterday. Others have rightly said it’s great we adjusted, utilised his other strengths and won, with Josh managing to recover mentally in the second half to lead us over the line, but for someone who has all the capabilities of being one of the best QBs ever, not just for the Bills, he has these passing games more often than I like and, more concerning, more than he had last year.

 

You are never going to get perfection out of any QB every game.  All QBs have down games.  Josh is no different.  You just see him more and want perfection where perfection does not exist.

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Joe Burrow is peaking late. Josh Allen is not. 
 

If Burrow goes off again on the Browns next week he could win it IMO.

What is peaking late?  He had 157 yards passing 1 TD three weeks ago against Denver.  He has also been up and down all season.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

No, Allen just threw 3 picks against the Atlanta Falcons.  Joe Burrow just threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's against the #1 seed in the AFC.

 

Burrow had 3 against the Bears and 2 against the Browns.  

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

All of this is to say... aren't you one of the guys now saying Allen has no shot for MVP at this point? If that's true how the hell does Burrow have a shot?

 

Burrow has no shot either. 

[machine gun kelly]

Allen won’t win MVP, but does it really matter.  I just don’t see the fascination with power rankings, mvp, pro bowl, etc.  win the darn SB.  That is the only thing that matters.

 

Allen has had another excellent year, but as someone else stated, he’s not a robot.  Even franchise QB’s have good and bad days.  Remember Brady at his peak threw 4 INT’s against us when we won with Fitzy.  Brady had a bad day.  He’s still the GOAT.

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

"Goes off."

 

You do realize Allen sits alone as having the 2nd most TDs in the NFL right now, right?

 

What if both Josh Allen and Joe Burrow accumulate 400 total yards and 4 TDs and 0 Turnovers next game.

 

How is Burrow (40 TDs, 4568 yards, 16 turnovers) a guy who could win it at that point while Allen (44 TDs, 5268 yards, 18 turnovers) could not?

 

That would mean in their last 5 respective games they'd have both gone 4-1 and had 15 TDs for their respective teams, both division winners.

 

Does it then become about yards? But on the year Allen has 700 more yards than Burrow and is 80% of Buffalo’s offense whereas Burrow is 76.6% of his.

 

Turnovers? Okay 2 more on the year. But Allen has the ball in his hands more as just mentioned.

 

All of this is to say... aren't you one of the guys now saying Allen has no shot for MVP at this point? If that's true how the hell does Burrow have a shot?

Joe Burrow just threw for 900 yards and 8 TD’s in his last two games to win his division and beat the #1 seed. That’s how.

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

You are never going to get perfection out of any QB every game.  All QBs have down games.  Josh is no different.  You just see him more and want perfection where perfection does not exist.

What is peaking late?  He had 157 yards passing 1 TD three weeks ago against Denver.  He has also been up and down all season.

See above. Not sure if you saw.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Of course not. But more consistency in his play considering the strength of his arm and the clear attributes at his disposal?

He got unlucky in the falcons game from what I saw…still made a ton of great plays with his arm and legs but on paper those 3 picks look bad.  Every qb has a handful of balls batted each game that always seem to fall incomplete but the falcons just happened to have two fall right into their lap.  That second pick looked like Beasley could’ve come down with it or at least knocked it away but he quit on the route. Didn’t mind that one much cuz it shows josh is throwing with anticipation at least…Beasley got held though which threw the timing off and then he just gave up 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

Joe Burrow just threw for 900 yards and 8 TD’s in his last two games to win his division and beat the #1 seed. That’s how.

 

500+ yards against essentially a street squad in the Ravens who were missing half their roster.  It was an impressive asterisk game by Burrow.

 

Yep, Burrow played great on the road in KC, beating the #1 seed.  So did Allen, who had 377 yards, 4 TDS and 0 turnovers in a National Primetime game and trounced them.  No, Allen didn't go over 400 yards like Burrow, but he didn't have to because our game was wrapped up in the 4th quarter so that on our last drive when we got the ball with 3:27 left in the game Allen handed the ball off to Zach Moss 5 times and kneeled 3 times.

 

And Allen can wrap up our division this weekend.

 

So again I ask... how in the world could you consider Burrow for the MVP discussion, but not Allen?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

32 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

So again I ask... how in the world could you consider Burrow for the MVP discussion, but not Allen?

 

Because he is a notorious Allen doubter who only recently climbed aboard; like many on this board, they change their stripes weekly.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

😆 

i see that this thread is aging well

 

 

The race was over losing to the Jags

Edited January 4, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

500+ yards against essentially a street squad in the Ravens who were missing half their roster.  It was an impressive asterisk game by Burrow.

 

Yep, Burrow played great on the road in KC, beating the #1 seed.  So did Allen, who had 377 yards, 4 TDS and 0 turnovers in a National Primetime game and trounced them.  No, Allen didn't go over 400 yards like Burrow, but he didn't have to because our game was wrapped up in the 4th quarter so that on our last drive when we got the ball with 3:27 left in the game Allen handed the ball off to Zach Moss 5 times and kneeled 3 times.

 

And Allen can wrap up our division this weekend.

 

So again I ask... how in the world could you consider Burrow for the MVP discussion, but not Allen?

Because I believe that recency bias exists.  Do you truly believe if the vote was held today, Burrow would not receive more votes than Allen?

[transplantbillsfan]

50 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

😆

i see that this thread is aging well

 

 

The race was over losing to the Jags

 

Ummm... no it wasn't.  This is a really stupid post.

 

You were doing so well ignoring me for so long... guess the childish and petty half of you has to inevitably force it's way out.

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Because I believe that recency bias exists.  Do you truly believe if the vote was held today, Burrow would not receive more votes than Allen?

 

I think we could have a legitimate conversation about this one if you wanted to not turn it personal as you like to.

 

I think if the vote were to be held today, I could see Burrow getting more votes than Allen.  I don't think it's as much of a slam dunk as you do, but yeah I could see that in terms of recency bias. I've said multiple times since Sunday's game (including in the changed title of the thread) that I no longer think Allen really has a shot at league MVP, though I think he'll get some votes.

 

Do you personally believe that Burrow deserves the MVP more than Allen, though?

Edited January 4, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Ummm... no it wasn't.  This is a really stupid post.

 

You were doing so well ignoring me for so long... guess the childish and petty half of you has to inevitably force it's way out.

 

I think we could have a legitimate conversation about this one if you wanted to not turn it personal as you like to.

 

I think if the vote were to be held today, I could see Burrow getting more votes than Allen.  I don't think it's as much of a slam dunk as you do, but yeah I could see that in terms of recency bias. I've said multiple times since Sunday's game (including in the changed title of the thread) that I no longer think Allen really has a shot at league MVP, though I think he'll get some votes.

 

Do you personally believe that Burrow deserves the MVP more than Allen, though?

My argument was never who I thought deserved it more. You should have read my posts.

[GoBills808]

12 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Allen won’t win MVP, but does it really matter.  I just don’t see the fascination with power rankings, mvp, pro bowl, etc.  win the darn SB.  That is the only thing that matters.

 

Allen has had another excellent year, but as someone else stated, he’s not a robot.  Even franchise QB’s have good and bad days.  Remember Brady at his peak threw 4 INT’s against us when we won with Fitzy.  Brady had a bad day.  He’s still the GOAT.

There are bonuses for MVPs pro bowls etc

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

My argument was never who I thought deserved it more. You should have read my posts.

 

I've read them, but I think I mixed you up with a couple other posters in the @JoPoy88 angry poster realm.

 

I apologize.

[bigduke6]

more than happy with Josh so far.   can he get better?  absolutely.    hes far and away better than anything we've had since Kelly.   to be the NFL MVP alot has to go right for a guy,  including the team around him,  schedule, etc.    Josh hasnt had it that easy this year imo.    O LIne has been kinda bad majority of the season,  ran into some terrible weather for a few games.    stuff like this matters.  Josh makes the people around him better tho and that makes him my MVP.

 

ill take 40+ TDs every time.  

 

get him a more consistent O Line,  he'll be MVP.

[78thealltimegreat]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

Joe Burrow just threw for 900 yards and 8 TD’s in his last two games to win his division and beat the #1 seed. That’s how.

See above. Not sure if you saw.

And Allen last week had the guy whose regarded as the greatest defensive genius in the leagues history go without forcing him to punt in his own stadium 

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/04/one-mvp-voter-says-he-wont-vote-for-aaron-rodgers-calling-him-the-biggest-jerk-in-the-league/

 

We argue about MVPs and Pro Bowls and Hall of Fames…all the while these actual decisions are controlled by folks with mental reasoning of Hub Arkush.

 

🤦‍♂️ 

[transplantbillsfan]

I'll just point out that there are even respectable analysts who know the game of football firsthand who don't think Allen played poorly against Atlanta as @JoPoy88 and others do:

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-why-bills-qb-josh-allens-stats-are-misleading-in-victory-against-falcons/article_c6731e04-6cf3-11ec-86d7-7334f7b742c1.amp.html

 

A look at Josh Allen’s statistics from Sunday’s victory against the Atlanta Falcons would suggest he played poorly, but the film review indicates this was not the case. 

 

Allen completed just 11 of 26 attempts (42.3% completion percentage) while throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns. Yet, his overall performance grade of 92.15% demonstrated that he protected the football with smart decisions despite his three interceptions and fell victim to circumstance on five plays that were out of his control.

 

...

Here, Allen was anticipating that Beasley would release past a second-level defender into the seam. The Bills were running seams by the inside receivers and hitches by the outside receivers. It appeared the Falcons had rotated into a 3-deep zone coverage and Beasley was going to be open in the seam following his release. That was what Allen was hoping for, but Beasley seemed to pull up and stop running his route. Unfortunately for Allen, he had already released the football. 

 

Here, Allen was anticipating that Beasley would release past a second-level defender into the seam. The Bills were running seams by the inside receivers and hitches by the outside receivers. It appeared the Falcons had rotated into a 3-deep zone coverage and Beasley was going to be open in the seam following his release. That was what Allen was hoping for, but Beasley seemed to pull up and stop running his route. Unfortunately for Allen, he had already released the football. 

 

...

 

The Bills rushed the football for 233 yards and dominated the time of possession an astounding 36:07 to 23:53 for the Falcons. It was a great game plan by Daboll to utilize Allen with quarterback crack sweeps and quarterback counter concepts. 

 

...

 

This was also a great example of how a quarterback’s statistics can be misleading. Allen really made only one poor decision in the game, his first interception. Beyond that, he was smart with the football.

 

His performance grade of 92.15% is an "A" in a playoff-clinching moment, even if his quarterback rating of 17.0 was the worst mark in his career. The video review revealed a tough and gritty performance from a franchise quarterback who values winning above all else, because in the end that is all that matters.

 

[machine gun kelly]

On 1/4/2022 at 5:33 PM, GoBills808 said:

There are bonuses for MVPs pro bowls etc

I think he’s going to be fine with his $258 mil. Contract.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 1/4/2022 at 10:59 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

I'll just point out that there are even respectable analysts who know the game of football firsthand who don't think Allen played poorly against Atlanta as @JoPoy88 and others do:

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-why-bills-qb-josh-allens-stats-are-misleading-in-victory-against-falcons/article_c6731e04-6cf3-11ec-86d7-7334f7b742c1.amp.html

 

A look at Josh Allen’s statistics from Sunday’s victory against the Atlanta Falcons would suggest he played poorly, but the film review indicates this was not the case. 

 

Allen completed just 11 of 26 attempts (42.3% completion percentage) while throwing three interceptions and no touchdowns. Yet, his overall performance grade of 92.15% demonstrated that he protected the football with smart decisions despite his three interceptions and fell victim to circumstance on five plays that were out of his control.

 

...

Here, Allen was anticipating that Beasley would release past a second-level defender into the seam. The Bills were running seams by the inside receivers and hitches by the outside receivers. It appeared the Falcons had rotated into a 3-deep zone coverage and Beasley was going to be open in the seam following his release. That was what Allen was hoping for, but Beasley seemed to pull up and stop running his route. Unfortunately for Allen, he had already released the football. 

 

Here, Allen was anticipating that Beasley would release past a second-level defender into the seam. The Bills were running seams by the inside receivers and hitches by the outside receivers. It appeared the Falcons had rotated into a 3-deep zone coverage and Beasley was going to be open in the seam following his release. That was what Allen was hoping for, but Beasley seemed to pull up and stop running his route. Unfortunately for Allen, he had already released the football. 

 

...

 

The Bills rushed the football for 233 yards and dominated the time of possession an astounding 36:07 to 23:53 for the Falcons. It was a great game plan by Daboll to utilize Allen with quarterback crack sweeps and quarterback counter concepts. 

 

...

 

This was also a great example of how a quarterback’s statistics can be misleading. Allen really made only one poor decision in the game, his first interception. Beyond that, he was smart with the football.

 

His performance grade of 92.15% is an "A" in a playoff-clinching moment, even if his quarterback rating of 17.0 was the worst mark in his career. The video review revealed a tough and gritty performance from a franchise quarterback who values winning above all else, because in the end that is all that matters.

 

I was out following the gamecast on the ESPN app and expected him to be much worse than he was when I actually got around to watching the game.  Quite a few drops and a good amount of bad luck.  Pretty questionable officiating on the second pick too.  Reminded me of the first pats game last season where the run game was humming so he didn’t get many passing attempts to make up for some tough breaks.  

[Son of a K-Gun]

On 1/4/2022 at 8:22 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/04/one-mvp-voter-says-he-wont-vote-for-aaron-rodgers-calling-him-the-biggest-jerk-in-the-league/

 

We argue about MVPs and Pro Bowls and Hall of Fames…all the while these actual decisions are controlled by folks with mental reasoning of Hub Arkush.

 

🤦‍♂️

I mentioned this exact scenario upthread...sportswriters are notoriously petty and hate when players lie to them, as Rodgers did with his whole "I'm inoculated" BS.  I am not at all surprised that writers are holding a grudge against him, though I am surprised that a writer was dumb enough to come out and say it.

 

Here is Hub's actual statement;

Quote

“I don’t think you can be the biggest jerk in the league and punish your team, and your organization and your fan base the way he did and be the Most Valuable Player,” Arkush said. “Has he been the most valuable on the field? Yeah, you could make that argument, but I don’t think he is clearly that much more valuable than Jonathan Taylor or Cooper Kupp or maybe even Tom Brady. So from where I sit, the rest of it is why he’s not gonna be my choice. Do I think he’s gonna win it? Probably. A lot of voters don’t approach it the way I do, but others do, who I’ve spoken to. But one of the ways we get to keep being voters is we’re not allowed to say who we are voting for until after the award has been announced. I’m probably pushing the envelope by saying who I’m not voting for. But we’re not really supposed to reveal our votes.”

Rodgers was asked about the comments and he called Hub Arkush "a bum" multiple times and then spouted off that he's on a crusade against him because he isn't vaccinated.  Said that they should rename the award the Most Valuable Vaccinated Player.  

 

 

[billsfan1959]

On 1/3/2022 at 1:14 PM, FireChans said:

An honest argument like admitting recency bias? Like I’ve admitted in at least 2 posts exists, especially when it comes to MVP votes?

 

I wish Bills fans such as yourself could chime in on arguments when they understood them.

 

I think recency bias is an honest argument, just as I believe there are other honest arguments why Allen will not be in the running for the MVP. IMO, there is one primary reason Allen isn't in the running for MVP and that is the 0-5 record in close games.

 

If you look at the top 9 QBs this year, every one of them has at least 2 game winning drives - except Allen. Allen has 0 4th quarter comebacks and 0 GWD. Of 28 QBs with at least 11 starts, he is 1 of only 4 who do not have at least 1 GWD (Wentz, Mayfield, and Wilson being the others).

 

Compare that with what he did in his previous 3 years.

 

 

 

If Allen pulls out just two of them, Tenn and TB (where he was in a great position to do so), and, right now, he would have 2 4QC and 2 GWD, the Bills would have a 12-4 record, they would have won the AFC East, and own the #1 Seed. Even with the performance in the Atlanta game, I believe he would be in the running for MVP. 

 

But he didn't. I'm not saying that the failure to win those close games is all on Allen. What I am saying is that it is a legitimate argument to say that an MVP QB should be able to win some of those close games.

 

As I have stated before, I couldn't care less about the MVP award, I don't believe there is a player in the NFL that is more valuable to his team, I don't believe that there is a player that any team puts more pressure on to perform at a high level every game than Allen, and IMO, he is absolutely in the conversation about the best QB in the NFL. I love Allen and I wouldn't trade him for any QB.

 

I'm just offering what, IMO, is the best argument for why he is not in the discussion for MVP.

 

It will all be moot when he is holding up the Lombardi Trophy...

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by billsfan1959

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

1 of only 4 who do not have at least 1 GWD

This is a double edged sword 🗡 

 

a GWD indicates you were Losing to begin with. 
 

basically 0 GWD says that the team was in control for the most part. 
 

One could say 4 of the 6 losses were failed GWD by inches 

 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

This is a double edged sword 🗡 

 

a GWD indicates you were Losing to begin with. 
 

basically 0 GWD says that the team was in control for the most part. 
 

One could say 4 of the 6 losses were failed GWD by inches 

 

 

Except that the were, in fact, losing (and did lose) in six of their games. I absolutely agree that 4 of the 6 losses were by inches. That was one of my points. The Tenn and Tampa games were literally inches from wins. Allen and the team get those and there is a completely different narrative surrounding Allen and the Bills right now.

 

For me, it is a double edged sword in how I feel going into the playoffs. On one hand, I feel they are much better than their record, as they probably should have won a couple of those close games. On the other hand, even though they probably should have won a couple, they didn't. For whatever reason, the have not had good luck this year in close games.

 

Regardless, I am still confident going into the playoffs.

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone who watches football from a distance (seems to be what a lot of talking heads do) will probably try to cling to a dropped completion percentage and more Turnovers... but those of us watching could see issues with weather, drops, and an offense and particularly an OL trying to find itself.

 

Feeling good going into the playoffs 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Orlando Tim]

Yesterday was much more impressive than people will give him credit for since his numbers were clearly affected by the weather. He had almost 6 times as many total yards personally than entire Jets team but no one is discussing how video game numbers that is 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Yesterday was much more impressive than people will give him credit for since his numbers were clearly affected by the weather. He had almost 6 times as many total yards personally than entire Jets team but no one is discussing how video game numbers that is 

This is Kelly/Marino all over again.  Marino put up numbers in Miami that would have been impossible in Buffalo's weather.  

 

This season was one of the worst wind/bad weather seasons that I can remember.  Also the O line was a mess for most of the season.  Josh's numbers on paper suffered but on the field he was great.  

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

By my count Allen finished the season 4th in total yards and 2nd in total TD's.  And given the weather conditions in at least 5 games those are damn impressive numbers.  Clearly Allen is an elite top 5 level QB in the NFL.  And I don't see any evidence of a regression.

 

 

 

 

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

That TD pass to Diggs was amazing, but did anyone else notice the blatant illegal contact/holding/PI on the Jets DB? Holy Moly...

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Yesterday was much more impressive than people will give him credit for since his numbers were clearly affected by the weather. He had almost 6 times as many total yards personally than entire Jets team but no one is discussing how video game numbers that is 

 

And what's amazing is how negatively the weather impacted almost every other skill position player on both teams with drops and bad kicks and Zack Wilson, but when you watch Allen throw the ball it really didn't look like there was impactful wind.