2022 Cap Space each team

[Big Blitz]

Some good teams with money to burn I mean throw around.   

 

And some dumpster fires.  You really are watching the last of Adams and Rodgers in GB imo.

 

And the Saints....woof

 

 

 

[Johnnycage46]

Chargers could be a force for a while with that 74 M in cap next year and Herbert on rookie deal still.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Chargers could be a force for a while with that 74 M in cap next year and Herbert on rookie deal still.

I was just going to say something similar. Most of the teams at the top are rebuilding or are just plain bad. Chargers are just hitting their stride.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Chargers could be a force for a while with that 74 M in cap next year and Herbert on rookie deal still.

 

The Chargers are well set up cap wise. They do have a few pending free agents. Mike Williams is the big ticket item obviously but secondary and defensive line have multiple starters coming up too. The other question of course is whether Spanos is willing to spend.

[machine gun kelly]

Agreed on LAC.  They are an interesting team with from what we can see now, a heckuva a good rookie coach.  They are going to be a force moving forward.  I don’t know if they are going to spend like drinking sailers though.  Our cap space will adjust somewhat as we will probably move on from Mario A., and Hughes (they might offer him a low ball one year deal to help with the young guys).  The good news for us is we have extended a lot of core players.

 

This upcoming year we’ll have Edmunds, and we will make an offer, or keep him on the 5th year.  That Taron Johnson offer looks better and better with each week.  I’ll bet we let Beasley carry out his last year in 2022, and then move on.  17 games is a long season, amd he’s not that expensive for a quality slot WR.

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Agreed on LAC.  They are an interesting team with from what we can see now, a heckuva a good rookie coach.  They are going to be a force moving forward.  I don’t know if they are going to spend like drinking sailers though.  Our cap space will adjust somewhat as we will probably move on from Mario A., and Hughes (they might offer him a low ball one year deal to help with the young guys).  The good news for us is we have extended a lot of core players.

 

This upcoming year we’ll have Edmunds, and we will make an offer, or keep him on the 5th year.  That Taron Johnson offer looks better and better with each week.  I’ll bet we let Beasley carry out his last year in 2022, and then move on.  17 games is a long season, amd he’s not that expensive for a quality slot WR.

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Chargers are well set up cap wise. They do have a few pending free agents. Mike Williams is the big ticket item obviously but secondary and defensive line have multiple starters coming up too. The other question of course is whether Spanos is willing to spend.

The only good thing about teams like the Chargers and Browns is they both will have to fight it out in tough divisions. As of today the AFC East looks similar to when NE dominated. 1 good team and 3 teams chasing their tail.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The only good thing about teams like the Chargers and Browns is they both will have to fight it out in tough divisions. As of today the AFC East looks similar to when NE dominated. 1 good team and 3 teams chasing their tail.

 

Yea we definitely have a division advantage right now. Pre-season I was very much in the camp of "the Bills won't sweep it again they will drop 1 somewhere, probably 5-1" but the way those three teams are looking it would be a huge disappointment if we don't sweep. 

[JMF2006]

With 9m the Bills should be able to add Ertz

 

(someone had to do it)  

 

BTW I am huge D Knox fan

[dollars 2 donuts]

The Bills are built for this year and next.

 

Things become dicey after that as far as signings and keepings.

 

call it the Wilford Factor, although for the young ones who don’t know that is a whole thread on its own.

Edited October 15, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Mynamemike]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Some good teams with money to burn I mean throw around.   

 

And some dumpster fires.  You really are watching the last of Adams and Rodgers in GB imo.

 

And the Saints....woof

 

 

 

And somehow the saints will get under the cap with minimal moves.  

[Max Fischer]

The chart is instructive, but I think it only tells a small part of the story. I'd much rather be LAC, but I’d also like to know who's under contract, who might leave, etc.

 

Some teams with cap problems could have room to maneuver by releasing bad players, while those in potentially good cap situations may have a lot of holes to fill and a roster full of good players looking for large paydays. 

 

For example, the Bills don't have much cap space, but if you didn't know which players were under contract, you might think they have significant potential problems. 

Edited October 15, 2021 by Max Fischer

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

The Bills are built for this year and next.

 

Things become dicey after that as far as signings and keepings.

 

call it the Wilford Factor, although for the young ones who don’t know that is a whole thread on its own.

 

I think the Bills are relying on the cap properly rebounding. Spotrac are estimating about $218m in 2023 which (before Taron's new deal is taken into account) gives the Bills about $70m in space (albeit with only 22 players under contact). There is no Ed Oliver 5th year option factored into that and there is no Tremaine Edmunds extension factored into that. There are some ways for the Bills to make more space. Star will be 33 by that point and cutting him has no dead cap and saves $9m. Then extending Stef and spreading his money out is an option too (he would be 29 at that point so you can probably extend for 2 years reasonably safely). Let's say between the two they can save around $15m. That gives you $85m (minus whatever Taron's hit is that year, let's say $8m as an average)... $75m from which to pay Tremaine (potentially pay Ed - who knows?) and then build out the rest of the roster. 

 

Of course it gets trickier as you go on extending guys but if the Spotrac number is right the Bills would still be in position to get a couple of guys in to help them in 2023. I really thing long term roster wise they need to draft starting calibre WR, CB and DT in the next couple of drafts. 2023 and 2024 the Bills should be really strong. 2025 when Josh accounts for over $50m on the cap and that would be over 20% of the total I think is the year when you might see just a little dip in the quality of what surrounds him. But then as the cap continues to go up and Josh's cap hits start to come down again.... well.... the Bills should be good for a long time. 

7 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:

And somehow the saints will get under the cap with minimal moves.  

 

Because the cap is very malleable. 

[Jobot]

Remember when we used to be envious of the Brady taking team friendly deals... Well this entire team now wants to be in Buffalo, and stay together. I realize it sounds crazy, but McDermott legit built a family in Buffalo. No one wants to leave, they're all in it together. Buffalo will be on top as long as McDermott is there.

[BuffaloBill]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the Bills are relying on the cap properly rebounding. Spotrac are estimating about $218m in 2023 which (before Taron's new deal is taken into account) gives the Bills about $70m in space (albeit with only 22 players under contact). There is no Ed Oliver 5th year option factored into that and there is no Tremaine Edmunds extension factored into that. There are some ways for the Bills to make more space. Star will be 33 by that point and cutting him has no dead cap and saves $9m. Then extending Stef and spreading his money out is an option too (he would be 29 at that point so you can probably extend for 2 years reasonably safely). Let's say between the two they can save around $15m. That gives you $85m (minus whatever Taron's hit is that year, let's say $8m as an average)... $75m from which to pay Tremaine (potentially pay Ed - who knows?) and then build out the rest of the roster. 

 

Of course it gets trickier as you go on extending guys but if the Spotrac number is right the Bills would still be in position to get a couple of guys in to help them in 2023. I really thing long term roster wise they need to draft starting calibre WR, CB and DT in the next couple of drafts. 2023 and 2024 the Bills should be really strong. 2025 when Josh accounts for over $50m on the cap and that would be over 20% of the total I think is the year when you might see just a little dip in the quality of what surrounds him. But then as the cap continues to go up and Josh's cap hits start to come down again.... well.... the Bills should be good for a long time. 

 

Because the cap is very malleable. 

 

The Bills have drafted amazingly well. However, as you point out there will be some financial pressure to take specific positions in the draft. The age old do you draft BPA or for need issue. Not factored into the discussion here is that FA’s may be willing to get to Buffalo on favorable deals because the team has a very strong core, a great locker room and hopefully will be bringing home Lombardi trophies (I know easier said than done).

[Frostbite]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

Not sure Klein is cut #1. I think the coaching staff loves him and he provides quality depth. I could easily see him kept at current salary.

 

I'm not high on him and agree he costs way too much, just giving an objective opinion.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Chargers could be a force for a while with that 74 M in cap next year and Herbert on rookie deal still.

 

8 hours ago, MJS said:

I was just going to say something similar. Most of the teams at the top are rebuilding or are just plain bad. Chargers are just hitting their stride.

 

Agree on Chargers, also Bengals as they both are set at QB.  But Brown definitely is not one to spend big $$.  They both have somewhat of a small window though as soon the rookie contracts will be ending.

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

 

IMO any un-vaxxed players will get cut next year unless a real superstar as teams won't want to deal with the hassle.  There may be more places like NYC or San Fran where players can't play in games if not vaxxed.  This past year between cap constraints and limited time between start of NFL year and vaccine's coming out, not enough time for teams to do much of anything.  By next year teams will have time and money to address.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2021 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the Bills are relying on the cap properly rebounding. Spotrac are estimating about $218m in 2023 which (before Taron's new deal is taken into account) gives the Bills about $70m in space (albeit with only 22 players under contact). There is no Ed Oliver 5th year option factored into that and there is no Tremaine Edmunds extension factored into that. There are some ways for the Bills to make more space. Star will be 33 by that point and cutting him has no dead cap and saves $9m. Then extending Stef and spreading his money out is an option too (he would be 29 at that point so you can probably extend for 2 years reasonably safely). Let's say between the two they can save around $15m. That gives you $85m (minus whatever Taron's hit is that year, let's say $8m as an average)... $75m from which to pay Tremaine (potentially pay Ed - who knows?) and then build out the rest of the roster. 

 

Of course it gets trickier as you go on extending guys but if the Spotrac number is right the Bills would still be in position to get a couple of guys in to help them in 2023. I really thing long term roster wise they need to draft starting calibre WR, CB and DT in the next couple of drafts. 2023 and 2024 the Bills should be really strong. 2025 when Josh accounts for over $50m on the cap and that would be over 20% of the total I think is the year when you might see just a little dip in the quality of what surrounds him. But then as the cap continues to go up and Josh's cap hits start to come down again.... well.... the Bills should be good for a long time. 

 

Because the cap is very malleable. 

 

Think having a QB like Allen helps as you can sign tier II WR and he'll make them look like a tier I.  Sanders at 34 may be one of them, great WR 5 years ago, now having Allen throwing to him prolongs his career a bit.   Even O-Line, really not the best in league, but Allen makes them look better than they are.  These things allow the team to save a bit of money elsewhere.   Admittedly there's probably 1/2 dozen (maybe even 10) other teams in same situation.

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

If Beasley is gone after this year, I hope the bills have his replacement in mind...we will need to find more reliable pass catchers out of the backfield because Beasley serves as an extension of that position, and is a superb safety net for Josh...

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

If Beasley is gone after this year, I hope the bills have his replacement in mind...we will need to find more reliable pass catchers out of the backfield because Beasley serves as an extension of that position, and is a superb safety net for Josh...

 

Sanders, have read he's actually better in the slot than as #2.  And then make Davis #2.  And sign one other FA who's a mid level WR and should be just as good.  Allen will make players much better than they are. Give any WR enough time, he'll always get open.  Allen has ability to extend plays to make that happen.

[First Round Bust]

not sure about Beasley - it comes down to not only the numbers but a replacement - can an in-house candidate - G Davis or Kumerow slide into the slot ?  They do have some size and experience just not in the slot...not sure if Bealeywould accept a pay cut as part of extension as a lot of our vets have over the past few years.

 

I do want Klein back -he has found his niche-game in our schemes and Milano does miss some games so he provides key depth - hoping we can extend him and work the numbers...

 

cant make everyone happy nor keep everybody..off-season thread, post Super-Bowl focus for sure...such as Morse....playing well, key position as well

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Frostbite said:

Not sure Klein is cut #1. I think the coaching staff loves him and he provides quality depth. I could easily see him kept at current salary.

 

I'm not high on him and agree he costs way too much, just giving an objective opinion.

 

They could do what they did with Addison and Butler and promise to keep him if he takes a pay cut but the whole point of developing guys like Dodson and Smith surely has to be to wean themselves off high price backups. 

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history.

[JaCrispy]

5 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Sanders, have read he's actually better in the slot than as #2.  And then make Davis #2.  And sign one other FA who's a mid level WR and should be just as good.  Allen will make players much better than they are. Give any WR enough time, he'll always get open.  Allen has ability to extend plays to make that happen.

While I like Davis, if we move Sanders to the slot, I would prefer to have more speed on the outside...I like Davis as the #4, where we don’t have to rely on him to produce every week, and where is contributions can still be a nice little addition to the offense from time to time...

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history.

 

Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps.

[Frostbite]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They could do what they did with Addison and Butler and promise to keep him if he takes a pay cut but the whole point of developing guys like Dodson and Smith surely has to be to wean themselves off high price backups. 

I'm in favor of a paycut and Klein seems like the person to do that to stay with a contender. I like Dodson and Smith, I'm just more comfortable with Klein in the backup role for now. This could easily change the next time Klein is out there and F's up.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Frostbite said:

I'm in favor of a paycut and Klein seems like the person to do that to stay with a contender. I like Dodson and Smith, I'm just more comfortable with Klein in the backup role for now. This could easily change the next time Klein is out there and F's up.

 

If money was no issue I would want Klein too. But I'd rather that money goes to extending Tremaine or keeping Sanders (or replacing him) or improving our guard play. 

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps.

Do you trust Milano to be there week in and week out? He had 75 tackles last year so whether by design or chance he was involved a lot. If Milano is healthy the whole season he will have limited plays but he is our insurance policy.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Do you trust Milano to be there week in and week out? He had 75 tackles last year so whether by design or chance he was involved a lot. If Milano is healthy the whole season he will have limited plays but he is our insurance policy.

 

Irrelevant to me. I don't think you keep a $5.4m insurance policy "just in case". You do that when you are still a building team. When you are paying your guys I think you have to prioritise your starting jobs and trust yourself to develop young depth and find cheap vet depth. If AJK was willing to play next year for say $3m, then I'd keep him. At $5.4m he is too rich for me. 

[GreggTX]

Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you?

[uninja]

I'm just going to trust that McDermott and Brandon Beane have already looked at the roster, the cap situation and have roughly the next 2-3 years planned out. They both seem way too detail oriented to not operate this way. I like how they fill the roster top to bottom with good/great, but not amazing players and let it all be greater than the sum of its parts. I like how Beane uses FA to strategically address needs or gaps in the roster so the draft is BPA and BPA only. I feel like the only two times they've deviated from this strategy and reached for need (Zay Jones, Cody Ford) it hasn't worked out, we know it and so do they.

[sunshynman]

12 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you?

Well it is Beasley that brought politics to the issue. Had he just said nothing, it would be a non-issue. I don't like they way he's gone about it. It puts a bad spotlight on him and the team. Do your job, be thankful you have the skills to be paid millions to play a game. And get vaccinated because its good for society.

Edited October 15, 2021 by sunshynman
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[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you?

 

Because he will be 33 by next season. Now if there was no distraction and no dip in production I would keep him. At the moment there is some of both. I could still change my mind on this but as of today I think he will be a cut candidate.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I am really curious about how the Browns are going to handle Baker Mayfield.  I have a feeling he will want a contract higher than Allen, because he was drafted ahead of him, but he is definitely not worth that much money.  I am guessing that they will have to pay him, but there are a lot of high first round picks on that roster, coming due soon, since they have been drafting so high for so long.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

AJ Klein is not a star but he is being paid mid level money and playing above it, not sure why you think he is cut one especially with Milanos injury history.

 

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because $5.4m for a backup is a lot of money on a team starting to pay its stars. And he is a backup not a rotational guy. When Tremaine and Milano are healthy he plays a tiny % of snaps.

 

Agree with both comments, my solution would be to offer him a sizable pay cut and maybe an extra year to re-do his contract.  If he says no, then he's gone.  But do like his ability to step in when Milano gets hurt.  And I said when not if! LOL

 

Likely also draft a rookie LB too that pays that same role and maybe even with a lower salary, might still let him go in 2023

[Gugny]

30 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Why are some people so anxious to get rid of one of the top slot receivers in the NFL? Don't you like winning? Or is this about his politics? I thought we wanted to keep good players. Maybe he's had a less productive season to date than last year, but so has Diggs. Surely you don't want to get rid of him too, do you?

 

I don't think it's his politics as much as it is his inability to STFU in reference to his politics.  Sometimes the juice ain't worth the squeeze.  He's proving that.

[BearNorth]

Re: Klein, he is a good option to have vs. the Titans and Browns run-centered offenses.  Brings a little more thumpability in run support.

 

Spotrac says Bills have following FA's in 2022

Hughes $10,750

Addison $10,150

Butler $7,500

Sanders $6,000

Trubisky $2,500

Boettger $2,133

Wallace $1,750

Taiwan Jones $1,750

Obada $1,500

McKenzie $1127.5

Brieda $1,055

Ferguson $990

Harry Phillips $835.5

Zimmer $835

Neal $686.5

Bates [RFA] $585

Dodson [ERFA] $557

 

Only "serious" money are the first four.  Starting with Trubisky, everyone else is 2.5MM or less.

Edited October 15, 2021 by BearNorth

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Some good teams with money to burn I mean throw around.   

 

And some dumpster fires.  You really are watching the last of Adams and Rodgers in GB imo.

 

And the Saints....woof

 

 

 

 

The Saints have been passing the buck down the road since signing Jarius Byrd.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I suspect Beasley is gone after this year. He is one of the easier cuts on the roster IMO. AJ Klein is cut #1. I have Beasley as cut #2. Those two alone save you $11.3m. The way Sanders is playing it is possible they would rather extend him another year than keep Beas.

Certainly a possibility, it will be good off season entertainment to watch next years version of the Bills materialize right in front of us. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea we definitely have a division advantage right now. Pre-season I was very much in the camp of "the Bills won't sweep it again they will drop 1 somewhere, probably 5-1" but the way those three teams are looking it would be a huge disappointment if we don't sweep. 

 

I don't believe a team has ever swept a division two years in a row.  Could be another Bills record?