[Edit] Jon Gruden resigns over controversial emails discovered in WFT investigation

[Mr. WEO]

17 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Keep your heads in the sand. Anyway, I can't really write what I want as I'll be banned. And you talk of another echo chamber that I'd fit in that censors even more? Ha ha. I thought this was a Bills fan forum, not we had to think a certain way but I've known better for a while now.

 

I don't care abut Gruden but about all the reasons why it's happening. And anyone with a tiny brain can see this is an hatchet job against him. They leaked one thing, it wasn't enough so they leaked more. Now he resigned. And not one tiny bit of any other emails of his or anyone on the WFT or communicating with them are mentioned. Sure. Nothing to see here. He is a RACIST because that's what the media now say, and there is nothing more to the story. Ban him. Cue Randy Moss crying. I'm out. Flame all you want now in all your righteous moral superiority.

 

When was Gruden "censored"?

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Keep your heads in the sand. Anyway, I can't really write what I want as I'll be banned. And you talk of another echo chamber that I'd fit in that censors even more? Ha ha. I thought this was a Bills fan forum, not we had to think a certain way but I've known better for a while now.

 

I don't care abut Gruden but about all the reasons why it's happening. And anyone with a tiny brain can see this is an hatchet job against him. They leaked one thing, it wasn't enough so they leaked more. Now he resigned. And not one tiny bit of any other emails of his or anyone on the WFT or communicating with them are mentioned. Sure. Nothing to see here. He is a RACIST because that's what the media now say, and there is nothing more to the story. Ban him. Cue Randy Moss crying. I'm out. Flame all you want now in all your righteous moral superiority.

He blasted the refs, commissioner, NFLPA, other owners, beat reporters, select players and dropped racist, homophobic, and misogynist insults.    

 

How is he supposed to do his job now?  First, hes got a lot of damage control to do in the locker room.  Attracting free agents could get dicey.  I'd be worried about the officiating after blasting women officiating.  Those sideline and post game interviews will be a blast after what he's had to say about women covering football.  And he spat in the face of Goodell and team owners, the people who run the league.

 

If I'm Mark Davis, I'm standing by my guy to the detriment of the team out of some misguided principles concerning censorship.

[ColoradoBills]

16 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Keep your heads in the sand. Anyway, I can't really write what I want as I'll be banned. And you talk of another echo chamber that I'd fit in that censors even more? Ha ha. I thought this was a Bills fan forum, not we had to think a certain way but I've known better for a while now.

 

I don't care abut Gruden but about all the reasons why it's happening. And anyone with a tiny brain can see this is an hatchet job against him. They leaked one thing, it wasn't enough so they leaked more. Now he resigned. And not one tiny bit of any other emails of his or anyone on the WFT or communicating with them are mentioned. Sure. Nothing to see here. He is a RACIST because that's what the media now say, and there is nothing more to the story. Ban him. Cue Randy Moss crying. I'm out. Flame all you want now in all your righteous moral superiority.

 

After the fact will have as many opinions as people giving them.  Many people (myself at times) lose focus.  The issue is Jon Gruden.  After what came out

he could not possibly be a Head Coach in the NFL and command the respect which is needed to be successful in that position from a group

of players that are 2-3 generation younger than he is.

 

For anyone who wanders with their opinions from that fact (on any side of the issue) misses the reality and makes it about other things.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Keep missing my point. Which is NOT that he resigned or had been fired. How many times do I have to post this? It's that he is smeared way beyond what he wrote with all the racist, anti-women broad brush accusation, and thus no one in any big organisation will ever hire him again. That his punishment greatly exceeds his actions. But that too will pass over your head. 

Who are you to say that the punishment is greater than the actions?

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

If the SpyGate tapes contained hours of Belichick rattling off his list of commissioners, owners, players, beat reporters, NFLPA leaders, and politicians that hes inviting to blow him then they just might have been fit for public consumption.

Oh God please let these emails surface 🙏

[Max Fischer]

25 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Keep your heads in the sand. Anyway, I can't really write what I want as I'll be banned. And you talk of another echo chamber that I'd fit in that censors even more? Ha ha. I thought this was a Bills fan forum, not we had to think a certain way but I've known better for a while now.

 

I don't care abut Gruden but about all the reasons why it's happening. And anyone with a tiny brain can see this is an hatchet job against him. They leaked one thing, it wasn't enough so they leaked more. Now he resigned. And not one tiny bit of any other emails of his or anyone on the WFT or communicating with them are mentioned. Sure. Nothing to see here. He is a RACIST because that's what the media now say, and there is nothing more to the story. Ban him. Cue Randy Moss crying. I'm out. Flame all you want now in all your righteous moral superiority.

 

You say, "I can't really write what I want as I'll be banned." What could that be? Does that mean you share the same values as Gruden?  Something worse? Go ahead, try out your thoughts, let's see where this goes. 

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/13/to-get-wft-emails-pressure-is-being-placed-on-nfl-sponsors/

 

We are quite an assembly of half wits.  

 

We dawdle back and forth on this stuff concerning an already fired coach.  Please, why don't we go another few rounds on the OJ WoF thing, or crucify Shefter in the name of journalistic integrity.

 

All the while the real villains at the center of this story are still out there, prowling about thinking they got away.  

 

No...no you didn't.  No you didn't, Dan Snyder, WFT and NFL.

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Approve censorship if you want. I don't. These emails were so dumb my head hurts ha ha, but they were still made to be private, and while he does make antigay remarks, that's true, most of the other supposedly racists or antiwomen stuff is pouty mouth football/sports talk, stuff that's being going on forever just a few years back in sports, certainly in his days.

 

Dumb? Oh yes. Now that it's public, he had to "resign"? Sure. But banned from all future announcing jobs, analyst, advisor, coaching, etc. for life? Nope, I don't agree, at all.

Your wrong about the presumption of privacy.  Emails sent to or from an employment related email account, as to Bruce Allen at his WFT email address, are by definition not private and can be read or revealed publicly, as has happened here as a result of on going investigation and litigation.  Making these kinds of remarks to work contacts in writing is beyond stupid. He is too dumb to be employed even if he was not a bigoted arse hole, which he apparently is.  Whether he intended these comments to be private or not is not the issue though.  

 

As for your characterization of his comments as “potty mouthed sports talk”, it is beyond my purview on this site to correct that assumption, so I leave that between you and your God.   I will say that the the larger issue exposed here is how pervasive these attitudes are still.  Good riddance to Gruden as far as I am concerned.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

After the fact will have as many opinions as people giving them.  Many people (myself at times) lose focus.  The issue is Jon Gruden.  After what came out

he could not possibly be a Head Coach in the NFL and command the respect which is needed to be successful in that position from a group

of players that are 2-3 generation younger than he is.

 

For anyone who wanders with their opinions from that fact (on any side of the issue) misses the reality and makes it about other things.

What does this mean? Is there no bigger issue? Please enlighten me as to why this is only about Jon Gruden?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

What does this mean? Is there no bigger issue? Please enlighten me as to why this is only about Jon Gruden?

 

I guess for me it's the only issue right now.  When the rest of the WFT stuff comes to light there will be more.

[Beast]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Who are you to say that the punishment is greater than the actions?

 

I believe that is his opinion and this is a message board to express just that.

 

Who are you to comment on his post?

[Jauronimo]

23 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

I believe that is his opinion and this is a message board to express just that.

 

Who are you to comment on his post?

"Who are YOU to comment on THIS post?!?!", he said confidently and unironically, without the slightest idea of what was coming next.

[Beast]

13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

"Who are YOU to comment on THIS post?!?!", he said confidently and unironically, without the slightest idea of what was coming next.

 

And who are you to comment on MY post?

 

Do I know you?

[John from Riverside]

I just find it ironic that a poster would talk about people having their heads in the sand whenever he has it so far up his own ass that he doesn’t have a clue

 

That is of course my opinion

[HappyDays]

11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

 

Wow. I think the Chargers got a Sean McDermott clone.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

When was Gruden "censored"?

 

Exactly

 

He's been asked to explain how censorship is involved here.  Can't or won't.

 

15 hours ago, FLFan said:

Your wrong about the presumption of privacy.  Emails sent to or from an employment related email account, as to Bruce Allen at his WFT email address, are by definition not private and can be read or revealed publicly, as has happened here as a result of on going investigation and litigation.  Making these kinds of remarks to work contacts in writing is beyond stupid.

 

Yep, This.

 

Anyone in this age who believes email that originates or ends from a work, school, or government email address is private...has just not been paying attention for the last 2+ decades

 

14 hours ago, Beast said:

 

I believe that is his opinion and this is a message board to express just that.

 

Who are you to comment on his post?

 

Wait, you're defending one guys right to comment on a message board, while asking "who are you to comment" of another guy?

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, Beast said:

And who are you to comment on MY post?

Do I know you?

 

Knock it off with questioning people's right to comment on your posts.  As you point out, it's a message board, expressing opinions is what we do here.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

If I was Gruden I would use the Russians hacked my laptop defense. 

[Rico]

17 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

If I was Gruden I would use the Russians hacked my laptop defense. 

No doubt I would have more respect for him if he would’ve fought back.

[aristocrat]

30 minutes ago, Rico said:

No doubt I would have more respect for him if he would’ve fought back.

 

Well at the moment more emails are being released and the story of the rest of the emails is starting to take over and could be an even bigger story.  The story of why were they released now is starting to get bigger.  Is the NFL really sitting on thousands of blackmail emails just to use when they see a need?   Gruden is staying quiet for his rep but if he's smart will come out with an apology at the right time. 

[DrDawkinstein]

More leaks. Not as much controversy. Yet.

 

 

NYT issuing a leak during each PrimeTime game so far. Wonder if they are sitting on all 650,000 emails. Or someone from the league office is leaking them out as they see fit...

[Chandler#81]

On 10/13/2021 at 5:29 PM, prissythecat said:

 

I'm wondering if new regime will be as enamored with Peterman.  

Hey! Go easy on Nate! He won DPOTW for us once!

[muppy]

9 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Hey! Go easy on Nate! He won DPOTW for us once!

LOL

 

serious question: what do you think the Bills fans reception/ reaction would be to Peterman if he came back in any capacity to Buffalo (as a player mainly I guess)

 

Hmmmmmmm....

[Warcodered]

16 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Hey! Go easy on Nate! He won DPOTW for us once!

Shouldn't that say 11/14 then?

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, Muppy said:

LOL

 

serious question: what do you think the Bills fans reception/ reaction would be to Peterman if he came back in any capacity to Buffalo (as a player mainly I guess)

 

Hmmmmmmm....

As a player, not well. Working at the stadium selling La Nova slices? Still not well.

[BillsVet]

On 10/14/2021 at 4:06 PM, dollars 2 donuts said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/13/to-get-wft-emails-pressure-is-being-placed-on-nfl-sponsors/

 

We are quite an assembly of half wits.  

 

We dawdle back and forth on this stuff concerning an already fired coach.  Please, why don't we go another few rounds on the OJ WoF thing, or crucify Shefter in the name of journalistic integrity.

 

All the while the real villains at the center of this story are still out there, prowling about thinking they got away.  

 

No...no you didn't.  No you didn't, Dan Snyder, WFT and NFL.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

More leaks. Not as much controversy. Yet.

 

 

NYT issuing a leak during each PrimeTime game so far. Wonder if they are sitting on all 650,000 emails. Or someone from the league office is leaking them out as they see fit...

 

NFL is announcing that there is "nothing to see here"

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation

 

Amazing to think they went through hundreds of thousands of pages of emails and made a determination so quickly.  Do they have the Ef Be Eye on the case? 

 

Only 1 guy was apparently saying such egregiously poor things that it warranted leaking.  I'm guessing there was plenty more and De Smith was looking to become the hero to and convince the players he should remain NFLPA Executive.  What a sham. 

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Muppy said:

LOL

 

serious question: what do you think the Bills fans reception/ reaction would be to Peterman if he came back in any capacity to Buffalo (as a player mainly I guess)

 

Hmmmmmmm....

Can’t say for sure, but I think we’d all be happy to play against him. Never understood Chucky’s infatuation with him. He telegraphs every throw. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, BillsVet said:

NFL is announcing that there is "nothing to see here"

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation

 

Amazing to think they went through hundreds of thousands of pages of emails and made a determination so quickly.  Do they have the Ef Be Eye on the case? 

 

Only 1 guy was apparently saying such egregiously poor things that it warranted leaking.  I'm guessing there was plenty more and De Smith was looking to become the hero to and convince the players he should remain NFLPA Executive.  What a sham. 

 

"So Quickly" didn't that investigation go on for a year, from July 2020 until July 2021 when the NFL fined the WFT "chump change" ($10M)?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/us/nfl-washington-football-team-fine-workplace-culture/index.html

 

But, I agree, "nothing (else) to see here" strikes me as highly improbable.

[Behindenemylines]

18 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

NFL is announcing that there is "nothing to see here"

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation

 

Amazing to think they went through hundreds of thousands of pages of emails and made a determination so quickly.  Do they have the Ef Be Eye on the case? 

 

Only 1 guy was apparently saying such egregiously poor things that it warranted leaking.  I'm guessing there was plenty more and De Smith was looking to become the hero to and convince the players he should remain NFLPA Executive.  What a sham. 

are you implying Hans Gruber was involved?  Explains everything. 

[Ayjent]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"So Quickly" didn't that investigation go on for a year, from July 2020 until July 2021 when the NFL fined the WFT "chump change" ($10M)?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/us/nfl-washington-football-team-fine-workplace-culture/index.html

 

But, I agree, "nothing (else) to see here" strikes me as highly improbable.

A whole lot to see I would bet, but the NFL is going to protect its owners and itself from any further black eyes, its clear as day.   Not that I want it to go away and think there should be a ton of reckoning for the NFL and some of its owners, but selfishly I don't particularly want it to be distracting from the amazing season the Bills are having so far.  Would be far better suited as a storyline for Feb. 2022 after the Superbowl.

Edited October 17, 2021 by Ayjent

[BuffaloRebound]

20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

"So Quickly" didn't that investigation go on for a year, from July 2020 until July 2021 when the NFL fined the WFT "chump change" ($10M)?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/us/nfl-washington-football-team-fine-workplace-culture/index.html

 

But, I agree, "nothing (else) to see here" strikes me as highly improbable.

I don’t know.  I think it’s entirely possible that Gruden was only person dumb and arrogant enough to send these type of things to a guy’s workplace email account.  By 2010, anybody with a brain knew you couldn’t send stuff around like that to a guy’s workplace email account.  Most workplaces would’ve flagged those emails immediately, which shows what type of organization WFT was running.  Wasn’t Whaley fired from Steelers for sending porn from a workplace email well before 2010?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I don’t know.  I think it’s entirely possible that Gruden was only person dumb and arrogant enough to send these type of things to a guy’s workplace email account.  By 2010, anybody with a brain knew you couldn’t send stuff around like that to a guy’s workplace email account.  Most workplaces would’ve flagged those emails immediately, which shows what type of organization WFT was running.  Wasn’t Whaley fired from Steelers for sending porn from a workplace email well before 2010?

Whaley wasn’t fired

[dollars 2 donuts]

@Hapless Bills Fan

 

This is a joke, Hap.  A great big freaking joke and they should not be allowed to get away with this.  No one should feel comfortable allowing them to get away with this.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

@Hapless Bills Fan

 

This is a joke, Hap.  A great big freaking joke and they should not be allowed to get away with this.  No one should feel comfortable allowing them to get away with this.

Get away with what?

[dollars 2 donuts]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Get away with what?

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/10/15/22728339/washington-football-investigation-jeff-pash-bruce-allen-jon-gruden
 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/wft-cheerleaders-are-traumatized-reliving-topless-photo-nightmare/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/10/07/ryan-vermillion-washington-trainer-prescription-drugs/

 

 

and no, part of this, a 10 million dollar fine doesn’t cover it.
 

 

Edit:  and it is sprinkled with utter and complete horse**** that 650k emails resulted in one or two guys, not with the org, getting in any sort of trouble.

Edited October 17, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/10/15/22728339/washington-football-investigation-jeff-pash-bruce-allen-jon-gruden
 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/14/wft-cheerleaders-are-traumatized-reliving-topless-photo-nightmare/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/10/07/ryan-vermillion-washington-trainer-prescription-drugs/

 

 

and no, part of this, a 10 million dollar fine doesn’t cover it.
 

 

Edit:  and it is sprinkled with utter and complete horse**** that 650k emails resulted in an me or two guys, not with the org, getting in any sort of trouble.

Are you talking about the Redskins getting away with something?  

[dollars 2 donuts]

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Are you talking about the Redskins getting away with something?  

 

you know what, WEO, probably even the league, in general, too.

[aristocrat]

At this point Snyder has to be forced to sell the team. Team needs a new start

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

you know what, WEO, probably even the league, in general, too.

 

 

The WFT is the entity being investigated by the NFL and the DEA (the articles you cite).  The NFL isn't the target of the investigation.  The investigation off the inappropriate behavior finished this summer and the WFT was fiend 10 million.  Then the NFL re-opened the investigation to review the emails. 

 

The cheerleaders sued the WFT and accepted a cash settlement.  

 

 

If you are talking about the 650K emails possibly containing other bad words by other people than Gruden....yeah, probably.  But so what?  More will be leaked and more people will be shamed.  That's not "getting away with" something....

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If you are talking about the 650K emails possibly containing other bad words by other people than Gruden....yeah, probably.  But so what?  More will be leaked and more people will be shamed.  That's not "getting away with" something....

 

It’s official.  WEO loves and approves of me, even if for only 9 out of his 100 word post. 
 

Take that, TSW!  
 

😂

Edited October 17, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts