"Pittsburgh Confused Josh Allen" - Chris Simms

[cba fan]

18 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

They could have executed on the plays that were there and been solid on special teams and easily won that game.

yes. WR dropped balls, Allen a little late getting ball to WR at least 3 times for big gains causing DB to knock it out, overthrow on TD,  and of course the dam blocked punt.

Oh and if McKenzie breaks to the middle instead of into the return guys he likely scores.

Game was very very winnable even as both lines struggled.

Edited September 16, 2021 by cba fan

[Mr. WEO]

Know who never gets confused?

 

[78thealltimegreat]

19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

He doesn't have film to roll but I think he does a good job explaining the philosophy he believes Pittsburgh was working on, and why it was especially confusing to the Bills.  "Route running concepts - if it's one safety do this, if it's two safeties, do that....coach, I don't know what that was, it was two safeties and then it was one safety"

 

Pointed out that the Bills are fundamentally running a version of the NE offense and that NE was Pittsburgh's "Daddy" through the 2010s.

Says that Pittsburgh developed a good understanding of that offense and how to attack it.

 

Says they took calculated risks that would often leave a man open.  Said their defense breaks a lot of the rules the QB operates with and that flusters the QB.

 

Walks through the 3rd down play after McKenzie's great kickoff return and explains how Steelers played it

One thing that royally ticked me off is that Daboll refused to role the pocket for Allen like at all it was 5 wide find someone open 

[Richard Noggin]

Not many people seem to be talking about the disadvantage of the opposing defense KNOWING it's a pass (for the most part) on most plays, based on formation. The offensive linemen are really up against it when a talented pass rush can consistently tee off on the snap count and attack with impunity. 

 

I believe Daboll needs to help his guys out by being less predictable on a play-to-play basis. 

[Chaos]

20 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Interesting.

 

I especially like when he  says Pittsburgh knew Buffalo's rules.

 

Other teams were watching. We'll have to make some changes.

 

The way to beat that was for Beasley to fake inside and go long down the sideline. But the Steelers knew that's not the way his rules run on plays like that.

 

 

 

The Bills have become increasingly predictable.  Most fans know what play is coming as soon as the offensive players line up. 

[97bills]

19 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sure, there are advantages and disadvantages to deactivating anybody. That includes Moss. But deactivating him didn't create problems that were a serious part of losing this game. Nobody was injured. Nobody wasn't fresh. The Steelers had done all their game planning before knowing Moss wouldn't play.

 

And yeah, the Steelers game plan was based on our not making significant changes to the  pass game. So were the game plans of the 13 teams we beat in the regular season last year and the two we beat in the playoffs. We make changes each game. We did for this one. When they adjust to this, it might involve running a bit more. But it won't involve running so much that we wear down front fours. And teams have tried to wear out Cam Heyward and TJ Watt before. It hasn't worked. They handle it.  

 

They're great players and they're in good shape. But it does take the ball out of the hands of your quarterback, which in our case means taking it out of Josh Allen's hands, not something we'll want to do a lot of. 

 

Wouldn't mind them running a bit more. I've said so in several threads. Wouldn't have turned this game around, though. And like you, I would love to see them go back up to last year's levels of play action (which worked great last  year even without us running a lot).

 

But no, we're not going to turn into a run-heavy team. Wouldn't make sense.

 

 

We might have to be a run heavy team for a few weeks because you better believe every team now is going to play us like this. I would even bet teams are willing to let us run a little until we show we can stick with it and score.  

[97bills]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

One thing that royally ticked me off is that Daboll refused to role the pocket for Allen like at all it was 5 wide find someone open 

That’s what scares me the most not the oline not Allen but daboll watching the game and not changing nothing. Then McDermott not saying nothing at half time. It’s like this team comes out with one game plan oh it didn’t work well we tried. We will never beat KC like that you have to be able to see something not working and stop. 

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

WHENEVER A DEFENSE GETS THERE FAST WITH FOUR, the defense is going to have a good day, end of story.

This was the problem, no further discussion is needed.

We got our butt whooped.

I’m buying what you’re selling but they were teeing off expecting pass and they were right 95%.  That steamroller needs screens and runs to slow em down otherwise they’ll whoop many arses.  

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I dunno about "easily", but yes, they could have won or tied the game with the plays they called.

 

They could also plausibly have made some adjustments that would likely have helped. 

 

But a core problem IMHO is if your OL allows a DL to get pressure and affect the QB with 3 or 4 guys, it's gonna be a Long Day and it's gonna be hard to run a consistent offense.  McDermott basically indicated he viewed that as a core problem in his postgame and Monday pressers, and so did Daboll on Monday.

 

 

Is Cody Ford specifically an issue you think? Because Boettger seems to be decent in pass pro.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Clearly you have your Dabol skeptics (like me) and supporters. I'm not a fan of 5 wide. I'm not a fan of seeing Josh run 7 designed qb draws. Trick plays on 4th down are extremely risky. I'd like to see us run just a little more. Singletary looked amazing on that late drive. There are days when almost everything Dabol calls works great and then there's games like last week or the Baltimore playoff game. He's frustrating and it reflects in the way Josh plays. This team needs to improve in-game adjustments. 

Daboll play design is not the issue. He gets guys open. It is his personnel groupings, lack of commitment to some semblance of a running game, and inability to keep Allen under control at times that are the issues.  All correctable BTW.  On to Miami

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin said:

why was there so little pre-snap motion?

 

JA lost Barkley as a sideline coach, Trubs and JA is different than Barkley and JA on the sideline.

Then they did him no favors by not adding pre-snap motion.

 

It is my understanding that if you motion a WR or other player, and another player moves to follow him, it is man.

If an offensive player moves pre-snap and no one, or a whole unit shifts (say LBs) then it is zone.

 

JA still needs some pre-snap reads, help the man out!

Agreed.  By spreading out and putting the back or Te outside the alignment indicates coverage as well.  Some teams do what they do.  Others mix it up.  The Steelers usually do them.  This is a got 3 months to prepare for week 1 and come out and do something different.  With that said Allen battled.  No crazy win it all on one play.  Perfect game plan and Buffalo still was in control of the game most of the way. 

[Eastport bills]

Other than being Phil's son, Sims was a losing 2nd string QB who washed out of the league early,and his skills as an analyst is minimal. He sees an opportunity to sound insightful and call Josh confused when playcalling and O-line breakdowns was the problem on offense. Why can't these mindless simpletons just let the game breathe. If it's obvious to fans that Josh was in empty, 4 and 5 receiver formations too much and became predictable and one dimensional, then why would Simms criticize Josh for being confused. He doesn't call plays. He was under constant pressure from a 4 man rush, that's doesn't indicate confusion. Dabol already admitted to being the problem. Some of these "experts"  who get paid to diminish real NFL QBs should consider sticking to coaching their kids in pee wee.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

55 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Is Cody Ford specifically an issue you think? Because Boettger seems to be decent in pass pro.

 

According to the PFF grades, Jon Feliciano was the biggest issue but I'm not sure how much faith I put in them.

 

 

27 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Other than being Phil's son, Sims was a losing 2nd string QB who washed out of the league early,and his skills as an analyst is minimal. He sees an opportunity to sound insightful and call Josh confused when playcalling and O-line breakdowns was the problem on offense. Why can't these mindless simpletons just let the game breathe. If it's obvious to fans that Josh was in empty, 4 and 5 receiver formations too much and became predictable and one dimensional, then why would Simms criticize Josh for being confused. He doesn't call plays. He was under constant pressure from a 4 man rush, that's doesn't indicate confusion. Dabol already admitted to being the problem. Some of these "experts"  who get paid to diminish real NFL QBs should consider sticking to coaching their kids in pee wee.

 

Did you actually listen to the linked piece?  Because that doesn't read as though you did.  He was very specific about what he meant and explained.

Jim Kubiak, whose piece for the Buffalo News was also linked above, pointed out similar things - also with film clips and X's and O's illustrating his point.

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, QCity said:

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/jim-kubiak-josh-allen-reverts-to-old-ways-but-steelers-defense-deserves-credit/article_67b9ad0c-14ff-11ec-a026-dfbc223dbc13.html

 

Jim Kubiak wrote an amazing breakdown for the BN on the Steelers' gameplan complete with video. They didn't just confuse Allen but the entire OL as well, with rotating fronts, shifting Ingram to standup LB, bringing Tre Norwood to the line, etc, etc. he does a great job of explaining how they created the confusion.

This analysis is objective, comprehensive, and clear-eyed (which is a lot like objective). Sober and salient. 

[Nelius]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Other than being Phil's son, Sims was a losing 2nd string QB who washed out of the league early,and his skills as an analyst is minimal. He sees an opportunity to sound insightful and call Josh confused when playcalling and O-line breakdowns was the problem on offense. Why can't these mindless simpletons just let the game breathe. If it's obvious to fans that Josh was in empty, 4 and 5 receiver formations too much and became predictable and one dimensional, then why would Simms criticize Josh for being confused. He doesn't call plays. He was under constant pressure from a 4 man rush, that's doesn't indicate confusion. Dabol already admitted to being the problem. Some of these "experts"  who get paid to diminish real NFL QBs should consider sticking to coaching their kids in pee wee.

 

Just in case you're not aware Chris Simms is probably the biggest Josh Allen homer not named Jordan Palmer. He loves Allen, he's almost annoyingly positive about Allen in all instances. I think this is a pretty solid, critical breakdown. Frustrating really.

[Putin]

On 9/15/2021 at 11:51 PM, Dr.Sack said:

A great strategy is being unpredictable. Bills sat Moss & telegraphed they were good rolling with two RBs. If the Bills had intended on switching up their game plan and pounding the rock, then yes they should have suited Moss up. Bills played right into Pittsburgh’s gameplan. They could have started the game with 15 runs and caught Pittsburgh by surprise. Until Daboll learns to have more variety & is willing to attack multiple ways, the Bills Offense will always be easier to gameplan against. 

At least pull that lazy boy up a little bit before making some ridiculous I don’t even know what to call this 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

The Bills have become increasingly predictable.  Most fans know what play is coming as soon as the offensive players line up. 

 

Well, if it's an empty backfield, it's a pretty good guess it's a pass play

Otherwise, the probabilities are in favor of it being a pass play

 

But what pass play specifically?  Really? 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Is Cody Ford specifically an issue you think? Because Boettger seems to be decent in pass pro.

 

He wasn't on Sunday. Ford was our best lineman. It was Feliciano and the tackles that were most of the problem.

[Eastport bills]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

According to the PFF grades, Jon Feliciano was the biggest issue but I'm not sure how much faith I put in them.

 

 

 

Did you actually listen to the linked piece?  Because that doesn't read as though you did.  He was very specific about what he meant and explained.

Jim Kubiak, whose piece for the Buffalo News was also linked above, pointed out similar things - also with film clips and X's and O's illustrating his point.

Sorry Hapless, I don't care what justification your using. A novice, failed NFL QB, doesn't label a great player as being confused. Any other more established analysts on 24/7 football breakdown shows use the term "confused ". He's trying to be groundbreaking to get clicks and eyeballs at the expense of the guy experts feel can go to the SB. Who the heck is Jom Kubiak,  and why should we care about his Xs and Os.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Eastport bills]

9 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

Just in case you're not aware Chris Simms is probably the biggest Josh Allen homer not named Jordan Palmer. He loves Allen, he's almost annoyingly positive about Allen in all instances. I think this is a pretty solid, critical breakdown. Frustrating really.

I don't agree. It's still criticism after one half of the 1st game, where adjustments weren't made by the coaching staff and O-line breakdowns were plentiful. Sean even admitted to being outcoached. Dabol admitted to forcing the issue with being predictable. Remember the damage to Darnold when he was indicted for being confused and said he was seeing ghosts. It almost destroyed his career.

[QCity]

28 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

why should we care about his Xs and Os.

 

 

Because he's right.

[Eastport bills]

6 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Because he's right.

Excellent analysis. Thanks 

[Coach Tuesday]

45 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

Sorry Hapless, I don't care what justification your using. A novice, failed NFL QB, doesn't label a great player as being confused. Any other more established analysts on 24/7 football breakdown shows use the term "confused ". He's trying to be groundbreaking to get clicks and eyeballs at the expense of the guy experts feel can go to the SB. Who the heck is Jom Kubiak,  and why should we care about his Xs and Os.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know this is a weird thing to say but I can kind of picture what your garage looks like.

[WhoTom]

They should've played "Renegade" in the stadium to confuse the Steelers.

 

[Eastport bills]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I know this is a weird thing to say but I can kind of picture what your garage looks like.

I live in a highrise, no garage. Any thoughts on my refrigerator or my sock drawer Coach Thursday. 

[Don Otreply]

On 9/15/2021 at 11:09 PM, Jauronimo said:

They could have executed on the plays that were there and been solid on special teams and easily won that game.

True, but that wasn’t the case in this game, and then it’s on the OC to be able to make changes to compensate for that, Dabol doesn’t do that in mid series, and is barely competent doing so at half time, it’s his weakness that will prevent him from ever being a HC, his thinking/strategies are far to inflexible, we have all been witness to it, and now every team has a bunch of tape on his offense…, think about that and the ramifications there in. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Sorry Hapless, I don't care what justification your using. A novice, failed NFL QB, doesn't label a great player as being confused. Any other more established analysts on 24/7 football breakdown shows use the term "confused ". He's trying to be groundbreaking to get clicks and eyeballs at the expense of the guy experts feel can go to the SB. Who the heck is Jom Kubiak,  and why should we care about his Xs and Os.

 

This is either a semantic argument where you're specifically taking umbrage with the word "confused".  That's your right, but if you actually watch the clip and/or read Kubiak's article, it's clear he has a specific meaning with regard to the way the Bills offense operates, where it depends critically on Allen and his receivers interpreting the defense the same way and doing the same thing, in response to what they interpret.  It's not intended as a personal criticism of Allen as a player (clearly, in the context). Substitute some other word that makes you less indignant and try to extract the meaning, because I think they both have valid points and I hope that Daboll and his assistants are working on counters because we'll see this again next time we play a team with a dominant front 7 and a "good enough" secondary.

 

Or don't, I really don't care, but "Sorry @Eastport bills" I think your indignation is misplaced.

 

The other possibility is that you have no particular umbrage at the word "confused" but you're generally indignant that a fringe NFL player dares to criticize one of the best QB in the game.  It's essentially argument by expertise: If someone has a lower level of skills as a player, How Dare They criticize someone?  Yet most of the coaches who played, played in college and either didn't have the skills for the NFL or were lower tier players who had a relatively short career as backups.  So by your logic, coaches shouldn't criticize players, in which case, how could coaching take place

 

The bottom line is that someone's mental knowledge of the game and the X's and O's and ability to break it down are not dependent upon their success as NFL players (where superior athleticism plays a large role).  We all know there are commentators who were great, HOF players and who are mediocre in their ability to research and break down the game.

 

There's a lot to be learned from both pieces about what went wrong with Pittsburgh and I hope these are things our coaches are addressing.

 

2 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Excellent analysis. Thanks 

 

I'm glad you've come around

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

I don't agree. It's still criticism after one half of the 1st game, where adjustments weren't made by the coaching staff and O-line breakdowns were plentiful. Sean even admitted to being outcoached. Dabol admitted to forcing the issue with being predictable. Remember the damage to Darnold when he was indicted for being confused and said he was seeing ghosts. It almost destroyed his career.

 

*sigh* Or maybe not.  Please go watch with an attempt at an open mind and go read Kubiak's article and then come back and talk about it.

 

The whole point of the piece is that the Steelers were exploiting our game plan by using what is normally a strength (option routes where the receivers have flexibility to change what they do based on what they 'read" from the defense) and turning it into a weakness.  The coaches and Josh needed to understand what was being done in order to make adjustments that will fix it. 

 

There are probably some other things the coaches could have tried but I think it's probably simplistic to say "just make adjustments".

[Eastport bills]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is either a semantic argument where you're specifically taking umbrage with the word "confused".  That's your right, but if you actually watch the clip and/or read Kubiak's article, it's clear he has a specific meaning with regard to the way the Bills offense operates, where it depends critically on Allen and his receivers interpreting the defense the same way and doing the same thing, in response to what they interpret.  It's not intended as a personal criticism of Allen as a player (clearly, in the context). Substitute some other word that makes you less indignant and try to extract the meaning, because I think they both have valid points and I hope that Daboll and his assistants are working on counters because we'll see this again next time we play a team with a dominant front 7 and a "good enough" secondary.

 

Or don't, I really don't care, but "Sorry @Eastport bills" I think your indignation is misplaced.

 

The other possibility is that you have no particular umbrage at the word "confused" but you're generally indignant that a fringe NFL player dares to criticize one of the best QB in the game.  It's essentially argument by expertise: If someone has a lower level of skills as a player, How Dare They criticize someone?  Yet most of the coaches who played, played in college and either didn't have the skills for the NFL or were lower tier players who had a relatively short career as backups.  So by your logic, coaches shouldn't criticize players, in which case, how could coaching take place

 

The bottom line is that someone's mental knowledge of the game and the X's and O's and ability to break it down are not dependent upon their success as NFL players (where superior athleticism plays a large role).  We all know there are commentators who were great, HOF players and who are mediocre in their ability to research and break down the game.

 

There's a lot to be learned from both pieces about what went wrong with Pittsburgh and I hope these are things our coaches are addressing.

 

 

I'm glad you've come around

My problem is exactly the word "confused ". As I stated previously, Simms should not be throwing around descriptions like confused when the D-line is in his face with 4 man rushes the entire 2nd half and he doesn't have a running play called until they go into prevent after the punt block. The description of being confused diminishes this kid's greatness. Have you ever heard that description used for Wilson, Brees, Mahomes, Rogers or Big Ben? It’s always either the O-line was abused or the running game was shut down or the receivers couldn't get separation. It's the 2nd half of the 1st game we're talking about. 

[PolishDave]

23 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

My problem is exactly the word "confused ". As I stated previously, Simms should not be throwing around descriptions like confused when the D-line is in his face with 4 man rushes the entire 2nd half and he doesn't have a running play called until they go into prevent after the punt block. The description of being confused diminishes this kid's greatness. Have you ever heard that description used for Wilson, Brees, Mahomes, Rogers or Big Ben? It’s always either the O-line was abused or the running game was shut down or the receivers couldn't get separation. It's the 2nd half of the 1st game we're talking about. 

 

He looked "confused" to me.  

 

No doubt the Bills expected Pittsburgh to blitz a lot more than they did based on previous games and previous film.   When those blitzes didn't come and the guys who were lined up to blitz dropped back into coverage, there is little doubt that it would confuse Allen.      It would interrupt/delay his decision making (hence the word "confused") because defenders weren't going where he expected them to go.

 

His confusion was probably momentary (a couple seconds) and yes by then he was under pressure so he didn't have time to calmly read the field again.

 

Using the word "confused" doesn't diminish my opinion of Josh Allen one bit.   All of those quarterbacks you mentioned also get confused from time to time when playing football.   None of them are infallible.   It is not insulting to say they looked confused.  It does not diminish Josh Allen in the least unless it could be said about him consistently in many games.   And it's not.   It's okay that Josh Allen isn't perfect.  

 

I would challenge the use of your wording "greatness".    Josh Allen has not been playing excellent football long enough nor consistently enough to be talking about his "greatness".    I think he needs to dominate a lot more great defenses first.  He failed to do that in his last opportunity.   Allen has only shown glimpses of what I would refer to as greatness.

[Eastport bills]

2 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

He looked "confused" to me.  

 

No doubt the Bills expected Pittsburgh to blitz a lot more than they did based on previous games and previous film.   When those blitzes didn't come and the guys who were lined up to blitz dropped back into coverage, there is little doubt that it would confuse Allen.      It would interrupt/delay his decision making (hence the word "confused") because defenders weren't going where he expected them to go.

 

His confusion was probably momentary (a couple seconds) and yes by then he was under pressure so he didn't have time to calmly read the field again.

 

Using the word "confused" doesn't diminish my opinion of Josh Allen one bit.   All of those quarterbacks you mentioned also get confused from time to time when playing football.   None of them are infallible.   It is not insulting to say they looked confused.  It does not diminish Josh Allen in the least unless it could be said about him consistently in many games.   And it's not.   It's okay that Josh Allen isn't perfect.  

 

I would challenge the use of your wording "greatness".    Josh Allen has not been playing excellent football long enough nor consistently enough to be talking about his "greatness".    I think he needs to dominate a lot more great defenses first.  He failed to do that in his last opportunity.   Allen has only shown glimpses of what I would refer to as greatness.

That's a reasonable take,however when you put a gamer like Josh consistently in a vulnerable scenario where he has to make things happen vs 4 man pressure overwhelming his O-line and in empty 4 and 5 receiver sets consistently, the playcaller is setting him up to fail. Regardless, the punt block was the difference in the game and in 2 of the 2nd half series he moved the ball. You want to blame his "confusion" for the mindless 4th down playcall that killed a plus territory drive, or the Sanders drop or the idea of Pitt dropping 7 because there was never a thought of a running game. I don’t like "confusion " attached to Josh after they crapped the bed in the 2nd half of the 1st game as a team and a coaching staff. We'll have the discussion about greatness at another time. The Bills certainly paid like a great QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

My problem is exactly the word "confused ". As I stated previously, Simms should not be throwing around descriptions like confused when the D-line is in his face with 4 man rushes the entire 2nd half and he doesn't have a running play called until they go into prevent after the punt block. The description of being confused diminishes this kid's greatness. Have you ever heard that description used for Wilson, Brees, Mahomes, Rogers or Big Ben? It’s always either the O-line was abused or the running game was shut down or the receivers couldn't get separation. It's the 2nd half of the 1st game we're talking about. 

 

Then I suggest you "get over it", and not let your indignation with word choice interfere with your ability to process the point someone is making?

 

I could be wrong, but I think if Wilson, Brees, Mahomes, Rogers, or Big Ben appeared confused by the opposing team's defensive coverage, Sims would say so.  In fact I believe I recall just that description about a NE game a couple years back.

[Eastport bills]

31 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

He looked "confused" to me.  

 

No doubt the Bills expected Pittsburgh to blitz a lot more than they did based on previous games and previous film.   When those blitzes didn't come and the guys who were lined up to blitz dropped back into coverage, there is little doubt that it would confuse Allen.      It would interrupt/delay his decision making (hence the word "confused") because defenders weren't going where he expected them to go.

 

His confusion was probably momentary (a couple seconds) and yes by then he was under pressure so he didn't have time to calmly read the field again.

 

Using the word "confused" doesn't diminish my opinion of Josh Allen one bit.   All of those quarterbacks you mentioned also get confused from time to time when playing football.   None of them are infallible.   It is not insulting to say they looked confused.  It does not diminish Josh Allen in the least unless it could be said about him consistently in many games.   And it's not.   It's okay that Josh Allen isn't perfect.  

 

I would challenge the use of your wording "greatness".    Josh Allen has not been playing excellent football long enough nor consistently enough to be talking about his "greatness".    I think he needs to dominate a lot more great defenses first.  He failed to do that in his last opportunity.   Allen has only shown glimpses of what I would refer to as greatness.

How quickly we forget. Josh singlehandedly beat Indy last season. He beat the Baltimore,Pittsburgh, San Francisco, LA, Seattle NE and Miami twice each, in his 3rd season. Two playoff berths in 3 seasons. Two playoff wins. He had a bad half and he's got prove to you he can consistently beat good defense? Which young QB, other than Mahomes, whose playcaller is light-years better than our guy, is better thru 3 seasons?

[Eastport bills]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Then I suggest you "get over it", and not let your indignation with word choice interfere with your ability to process the point someone is making?

 

I could be wrong, but I think if Wilson, Brees, Mahomes, Rogers, or Big Ben appeared confused by the opposing team's defensive coverage, Sims would say so.  In fact I believe I recall just that description about a NE game a couple years back.

I dismissed the point immediately. I don't take knee-jerk positions from TV "experts" seriously. I heard many of them say Brady was finished after struggling last year for 2 games. The same "experts "said Winston can't win in the NFL and Josh will never be accurate. This is an open forum for divergent opinions, never any reason to "get over it".

[Nextmanup]

On 9/16/2021 at 1:09 AM, Jauronimo said:

They could have executed on the plays that were there and been solid on special teams and easily won that game.

If Allen hits the big bomb for an easy TD that he missed, and we never allow the blocked punt and resulting TD fiasco, it's a different game! 

 

Allen was still "confused," or "hampered," or "put off" for much of the game, however.

 

Pittsburgh's approach on D was close to perfect, but they have the personnel to do that.  

A lot of other teams do not.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

I dismissed the point immediately. I don't take knee-jerk positions from TV "experts" seriously. I heard many of them say Brady was finished after struggling last year for 2 games. The same "experts "said Winston can't win in the NFL and Josh will never be accurate. This is an open forum for divergent opinions, never any reason to "get over it".

 

Oh FFS, I give up.  This isn't a "position" much less a "knee jerk" reaction.  It's an adjective used to describe his specific observations about the game, backed up by detailed breakdown showing just what Pitts did. 

 

It has nothing to do with pronouncements about a player's overall status like "Winston can't win" or "Brady is finished", and it has nothing to do with a player's past successful performance.  On this week, he seemed confused, and they break down what Pitts did to achieve that.  You admit Brady struggled in the first 2 games of last season, it would be akin to the breakdowns explaining exactly why and pointing what Tampa could do to address this.

 

The reason you should "get over it" is because it's off the mark. It's clearly something you're taking offense to and waxing indignant about "how Dare anyone criticizes our Great QB unless it's a former Great QB"  without actually paying attention to what was really said and why (and if Bradshaw or Brees said similar then you'd find a different reason to take offense to it I'm guessing). 

 

But like I said, do it or don't, I don't care.

46 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

If Allen hits the big bomb for an easy TD that he missed, and we never allow the blocked punt and resulting TD fiasco, it's a different game! 

 

Allen was still "confused," or "hampered," or "put off" for much of the game, however.

 

Pittsburgh's approach on D was close to perfect, but they have the personnel to do that.  

A lot of other teams do not.

 

Agreed on all points.  And every player is going to miss some of those kill shots, which is why the best teams need to overcome the misses with overall solid play.

[dave mcbride]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh FFS, I give up.  This isn't a "position" much less a "knee jerk" reaction.  It's an adjective used to describe his specific observations about the game, backed up by detailed breakdown showing just what Pitts did. 

 

It has nothing to do with pronouncements about a player's overall status like "Winston can't win" or "Brady is finished", and it has nothing to do with a player's past successful performance.  On this week, he seemed confused, and they break down what Pitts did to achieve that.  You admit Brady struggled in the first 2 games of last season, it would be akin to the breakdowns explaining exactly why and pointing what Tampa could do to address this.

 

The reason you should "get over it" is because it's off the mark. It's clearly something you're taking offense to and waxing indignant about "how Dare anyone criticizes our Great QB unless it's a former Great QB"  without actually paying attention to what was really said and why (and if Bradshaw or Brees said similar then you'd find a different reason to take offense to it I'm guessing). 

 

But like I said, do it or don't, I don't care.

 

Agreed on all points.  And every player is going to miss some of those kill shots, which is why the best teams need to overcome the misses with overall solid play.

Allen’s rating vs Pitt over the past three seasons:

 

2019: 65.2

2020: 77.5

2021: 79.7

 

He clearly struggles against what they throw at him. Confusion is certainly part of it, as is talent on the other side of the ball.

Edited September 17, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh FFS, I give up.  This isn't a "position" much less a "knee jerk" reaction.  It's an adjective used to describe his specific observations about the game, backed up by detailed breakdown showing just what Pitts did. 

 

It has nothing to do with pronouncements about a player's overall status like "Winston can't win" or "Brady is finished", and it has nothing to do with a player's past successful performance.  On this week, he seemed confused, and they break down what Pitts did to achieve that.  You admit Brady struggled in the first 2 games of last season, it would be akin to the breakdowns explaining exactly why and pointing what Tampa could do to address this.

 

The reason you should "get over it" is because it's off the mark. It's clearly something you're taking offense to and waxing indignant about "how Dare anyone criticizes our Great QB unless it's a former Great QB"  without actually paying attention to what was really said and why (and if Bradshaw or Brees said similar then you'd find a different reason to take offense to it I'm guessing). 

 

But like I said, do it or don't, I don't care.

 

Agreed on all points.  And every player is going to miss some of those kill shots, which is why the best teams need to overcome the misses with overall solid play.

This will be my final installment. If you want to buy in to these experts and their film interpretation, great. Pronouncements have to start somewhere and these frivolous talking points take on a life of their own when some self-styled "expert" starts calling a SB caliber QBs "confused". God forbid he should lose another game. Hey,Simms has got you as a true believer. Con. grats.

[QCity]

15 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

This will be my final installment. If you want to buy in to these experts and their film interpretation, great. Pronouncements have to start somewhere and these frivolous talking points take on a life of their own when some self-styled "expert" starts calling a SB caliber QBs "confused". God forbid he should lose another game. Hey,Simms has got you as a true believer. Con. grats.

 

Man, you are going to have a rough time on these forums if something this frivolous gets you so bent out of shape.

[Eastport bills]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Man, you are going to have a rough time on these forums if something this frivolous gets you so bent out of shape.

I don't take anything seriously. This is fun. I call players and coaches out, but we've been desperate for a guy to take us to the promised land for 30 years and after 1/2 of the 1st game goes bad, I'm not using terms like "confused" to describe him. Comprendo.