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Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.

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2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.


Is this for real? Shouldn’t distance from the center be a standardized thing? 
 

Also, we discussed his Extra steps after the game— is that too his normal routine? 

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2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.

 

I think he's right, only question is whether there was a legit reason for that  which is not on the punter- dealing with wind, adjustment for Reid Ferguson low snaps, whatever.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

from Sal Capaccio

 

 

 

If you click on the top tweet (might need to right click and "open in new tab" on a computer) it should take you there.

He's got a nifty diagram with moving circles to show what happened.

Thanks for posting.  Matakevich was interviewed and said this "scheme" that Pitt ran, was something they practiced against all week.  So they had the looks to go over, but Tyler stopped short of whose fault it was...likely he didn't know either until reviewing the film.

 

I'd surmise it was less on Haack and more on the protection breaking down.  This is just a guess, but either Klein needing to step down or Johnson.  

 

Either way, very rare to see a blocked punt(and go for 6) in the NFL.  But happening 2x within 3 years (Pats in 2019), is concerning to say the least.  

 

Alot of "learning moments" to take away from this game.  Not what anyone wants, but there were "flat" (mental lapse) moments that should get fixed quickly.  Like I've seen others say, can't open against the Jets each year and Pitt was a motivated/very good team coming into this

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2 hours ago, StHustle said:

I definitely felt like it was partly on the punter...not sure BoJo gets that blocked!

 

Same here.  Punter acted like he had time to have a coffee and donut back there.  If there's no urgency going forward or to recognize pressure, he will have more punts blocked this season.

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9 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

 

Either way, very rare to see a blocked punt(and go for 6) in the NFL.  But happening 2x within 3 years (Pats in 2019), is concerning to say the least. 

 

A nit, but Haack's previous blocked punt(s) were in 2018, so 3 years ago.

 

One guy here pointed out that we got him to shank one last season vs. Miami but I'm not sure about that?  He had a decent average of 43.6 yds on 5 punts.  That was two short punts of 32 and 34 yds, one moderate punt of 42 yds, and two 55 yd punts (one of which McKenzie returned for a TD so....

 

Sounds like the blocked punt was a communication and/or execution failure on the blockers, compounded by the punter being too close to the line.  Whether that was a bad practice on his part, or an appropriate adjustment made for wind or snapping issues, can't say.

 

 

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With as much "dedicated" and well-above-average-paid special teams personnel as the Bills employ.........critical mistakes really aren't easy to excuse.    

 

When You're Right, You're Right.  When much is given, much is expected!!!

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3 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.

 

I knew it. Right after the play I told my wife it didn't look like he was back far enough.  I found a video and he was 13 yards back.  I thought punters usually were 15 yards back.  I was going to see where the Rams or Bears punters lined up but they never punted again.  Gonna watch where they line up tonight. 

 

I also found an article that said HaUck is a 3 step punter whereas Bojo is a 2 step punter.  Would seem a 3 step punter should be further back.  HaUck had 1 blocked in the last 4 years and Bojo had 2 in 3 years.

 

That was the difference in the game right there.

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1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I knew it. Right after the play I told my wife it didn't look like he was back far enough.  I found a video and he was 13 yards back.  I thought punters usually were 15 yards back.  I was going to see where the Rams or Bears punters lined up but they never punted again.  Gonna watch where they line up tonight. 

 

I also found an article that said HaUck is a 3 step punter whereas Bojo is a 2 step punter.  Would seem a 3 step punter should be further back.  HaUck had 1 blocked in the last 4 years and Bojo had 2 in 3 years.

 

That was the difference in the game right there.

Tasker said they're supposed to be 15 yds back so you are correct.

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5 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.


Haack also seemed to be moving slow and, yes, it looked like if he took another step he would’ve kicked it into the O-line

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6 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.

Exactly,  Haack was way too shallow and took 3 1/2 steps. That block was all on him.

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8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

With as much "dedicated" and well-above-average-paid special teams personnel as the Bills employ.........critical mistakes really aren't easy to excuse.    

Compare it to the other 31 teams. Give us the actual numbers.

 

This kind of statement is pointless without a source.

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2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Exactly,  Haack was way too shallow and took 3 1/2 steps. That block was all on him.

 

Sorry, leaving a defender unblocked is not "all on the punter"

 

I'll grant that he was shallow and that contributed, though we don't know if it was by design or a mistake on his part.

 

He always takes 3 steps and our ST have to be able to deal with that

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

from Sal Capaccio

 

 

 

If you click on the top tweet (might need to right click and "open in new tab" on a computer) it should take you there.

He's got a nifty diagram with moving circles to show what happened.

 

Does anyone know where Sal is getting these marvelous little moving diagrams from?

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8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Compare it to the other 31 teams. Give us the actual numbers.

 

This kind of statement is pointless without a source.

 

The NFL's premier special teams player Matthew Slater is playing on a 2 year $5.3M contract.

 

Tyler Matakevich got a 2 year $7.1M contract from the Bills.

 

If Tremaine Edmunds gets 25% more $ on a new deal than Darius Leonard would I need to show the contract of every off-ball LB in the league to illustrate how "overpaid" that is?

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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Sorry, leaving a defender unblocked is not "all on the punter"

 

I'll grant that he was shallow and that contributed, though we don't know if it was by design or a mistake on his part.

 

He always takes 3 steps and our ST have to be able to deal with that

 

Does anyone know where Sal is getting these marvelous little moving diagrams from?

 

I don't know his exact one but probably something like this... https://apps.apple.com/us/app/football-play-designer/id1407432809

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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The NFL's premier special teams player Matthew Slater is playing on a 2 year $5.3M contract.

 

Tyler Matakevich got a 2 year $7.1M contract from the Bills.

 

If Tremaine Edmunds gets 25% more $ on a new deal than Darius Leonard would I need to show the contract of every off-ball LB in the league to illustrate how "overpaid" that is?

This doesn't help your argument.

 

Slater is a 36 yr old backup WR. 

 

For legit comparison, Taiwan Jones is 33 years old and is only getting paid

1.7 mil. That's 1.7 against the salary cap compared to Slater's 2.6.

 

Matakevich is a 28 yr old back up LB. Guys in their prime get paid more than guys in their late 30s...

 

Bills also have Bass on a cheap draft pick deal.

 

Overall the Bills are 22nd in cap dollars spent towards the 3 dedicated special teamers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/

 

So, yeah... you need to show actual data that supports your claim. Otherwise, it's hard to take it seriously.

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5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

This doesn't help your argument.

 

Slater is a 36 yr old backup WR. 

 

For legit comparison, Taiwan Jones is 33 years old and is only getting paid

1.7 mil. That's 1.7 against the salary cap compared to Slater's 2.6.

 

Matakevich is a 28 yr old back up LB. Guys in their prime get paid more than guys in their late 30s...

 

Bills also have Bass on a cheap draft pick deal.

 

Overall the Bills are 22nd in cap dollars spent towards the 3 dedicated special teamers: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/special/

 

So, yeah... you need to show actual data that supports your claim. Otherwise, it's hard to take it seriously.

 

Looks like the Steelers just made a better and cheaper ST investment.  Miles Killibrew is also 28; he's on a one year, $1,127,500 contract.  He completely embarrassed Matakevich, who makes a lot more.

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The blocked punt is ALL on Haack.  Yes, the blocking broke down, but if he uses a two-step technique (step-kick), instead of a three-step technique (step-step-kick), the punt is gone when they get there.  He also shuffled his feet on the first step, so that little stutter move added a few tenths of a second.  

 

As for distance from the LOS, 14 yards is standard.  The LOS was the 23, and he was standing on the 9.5-yard line, so that 18" may also have played a part in the block.  His kicking foot was on the 14-yard line when the punt was blocked, but I'm not sure what the standard is for how many yards behind the LOS the kicking foot should be at impact.  You bet your ass I'll be iso'ing on Haack next week.

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How far does a punt have to go to qualify for a fumble recovery in favor of the punting team?

 

For example, in the CLE/KC game where the punter dropped the snap and started to run...

 

If he had drop kicked the ball while on the run and it ricochets off a Chiefs player who is bearing down on him, is it a fumble that CLE could recover and end up 1st and 10? 

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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Looks like the Steelers just made a better and cheaper ST investment.  Miles Killibrew is also 28; he's on a one year, $1,127,500 contract.  He completely embarrassed Matakevich, who makes a lot more.

Please elaborate on how this means the Bills are overspending on special teams as a whole.

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How far does a punt have to go to qualify for a fumble recovery in favor of the punting team?

 

For example, in the CLE/KC game where the punter dropped the snap and started to run...

 

If he had drop kicked the ball while on the run and it ricochets off a Chiefs player who is bearing down on him, is it a fumble that CLE could recover and end up 1st and 10? 

 

A chiefs player would have to touch it beyond the LOS for cleveland to be able to recover it.  Otherwise it's a conclusion of the play and down.   Cleveland could recover it, however they would need to advance it beyond the marker to gain.  

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On 9/13/2021 at 4:27 PM, jkeerie said:

Tasker said today on One Bills Live that Hauck was not back far enough when he took the snap.  He said punters are supposed to be farther back.  When Hauck got the ball he also took two tiny steps and then two more.  He was much too close to the line when he punted.  It was schemed well by the Steelers, but if Hauck was back where he should have been, the Steelers would have had to lay out to block it.  They didn't have to do that.

Can anyone say why they felt the need to change punters looks like a case of grass not always greener on the other side if it is the water bill higher

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I do not have fancy graphics .. but every punt my son and I are shouting at the screen to punt the thing as he takes soooooooooooooo long to actually swing his leg. I will reserve judgment, but right now he seems to be the Ent of punting and as TreeBeard says "it takes a long time to punt a ball in old entish"

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35 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I do not have fancy graphics .. but every punt my son and I are shouting at the screen to punt the thing as he takes soooooooooooooo long to actually swing his leg. I will reserve judgment, but right now he seems to be the Ent of punting and as TreeBeard says "it takes a long time to punt a ball in old entish"

Haack is a 3 stepper. Even if the line holds up its going to be close to someone getting there. McD likes left footed punters because the ball rotates differently for the returner. More opportunities for muffs. He's not going to boom too many 55+ yarders but he does excel at inside the 20. Hopefully they can get him to kick a 2 step version. 

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On 9/14/2021 at 6:01 PM, Bigantall said:

Can anyone say why they felt the need to change punters looks like a case of grass not always greener on the other side if it is the water bill higher


 

Because Corey was a below average punter at placement and angling of kicks and was absolutely terrible at holding for FGs and XPs.  
 

Corey over the last 2 years has cost the Bills more points that Haack will - the issue is the blame was given to the Kickers not the problem point of the holder.

 

Additionally - The blocked kick this year has given Haack 2 blocked kicks in his 5th season - while Corey has had 2 blocked in 4 years.  
 

Corey also had his 2 blocked in about 170 kicks versus the 2 blocks on Haack in 314 kicks.  
 

So basically we got a better placement punter, that is better at holding, and has had a better career record at punting without blocks by a significant margin - even being slower.

 

Does that help answer your question?

 

 

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