Tyrod Taylor named Texans starting QB vs. Jags Week 1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I’ll always remember arguing with my friends during that playoff year that the Bills got to the playoffs in spite of Tyrod rather than because of Tyrod. He will always be a boat anchor in my mind. Just because he was the QB during the drought breaking season doesn’t mean he was anything more than average or below average.

 

Seemed bringing in an average QB who would improve the offense to average was Rex Ryan's plan to get the Bills to the playoffs and break the drought.

 

When he took over, we had the #4 defense in the league and the #18 offense on points.   Seemed like his idea was, take that #4 defense and improve the offense to top-10 or close to that, and we're "In", it's "On".  So he brought in an OC who had offensive success all the way to the Superbowl with a "meh" QB who could run and a creative run game, and a QB who could run and throw deep and who was careful with the football - not throwing game-changing picks.

 

Well, that part worked as intended, but the defense tanked

 

40 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not that complicated. Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not.

 

I think there's some revisionist history here. 

 

In 2015, relative to EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel etc - Taylor WAS entertaining.  He was exciting and fast when he ran, and he threw a pretty deep ball and also passed decently to wide open receivers.  In 2016, when the offensive productivity dipped because teams had tape on what Taylor wouldn't try so they could focus on shutting down what he did well, fans started to get restless.  Then in 2017 when the Bills abandoned the offense that suited Taylor AND jettisoned all the good WR on the team (Watkins, Woods, Goodwin), then tried to make him a pocket passer throwing to Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes, Zay Jones, and Fat Kelvin Benjamin, it became pretty Grim.

There was a similar phenomenon with Fitzpatrick.  He was a blessed relief when he replaced Trent Edwards, and we were vastly entertained in 2011 when the Bills started 5-2.  Then when we had a 7 game losing streak and it became clear his penchant for throwing game-turning picks at the worst time was not a skin he would shed, he became "the worst QB in the league" "Pickspatrick" "he sucks" etc etc.  He was not seen as very entertaining.

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think there's some revisionist history here. 

I was very consistent on Taylor and his inability to master some of the basic decisions an NFL quarterback has to make, from the beginning. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I was very consistent on Taylor and his inability to master some of the basic decisions an NFL quarterback has to make, from the beginning. 

 

Perhaps.  But how were you on Fitzpatrick?

 

And in the post to which I responded, you weren't just speaking for yourself.  You said "Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not."

 

That is revisionist history, IMO.  There was a point where Taylor was an entertaining QB for fans to watch.  We loved his scrambles - and those deep balls!  And there was a point where Fitzpatrick was not perceived by fans as particularly entertaining.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Perhaps.  But how were you on Fitzpatrick?

 

And in the post to which I responded, you weren't just speaking for yourself.  You said "Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not."

 

That is revisionist history, IMO.  There was a point where Taylor was an entertaining QB for fans to watch.  We loved his scrambles - and those deep balls!  And there was a point where Fitzpatrick was not perceived by fans as particularly entertaining.

 

To be honest I never found Tyrod that entertaining either. I found him pretty infuriating to watch from the get-go. I appreciated his play in 2015 because I did think (as you indicate above that Rex likely did) that even a slightly below average Quarterback who was at least competent and didn't hurt you could scrape that team to a wildcard and back then just ending the drought was a major goal. But I never enjoyed watching him play Quarterback particularly. I found Fitz entertaining until his final year. I found 2012 infuriating because that team should have been closer than it was, they were not without talent, and Fitz's turnovers killed us at times.

[machine gun kelly]

It was obvious as Deshaun Watson would’ve just used as another forum if he refused to play or maybe he did behind closed doors.  Good luck Tyrod.  He’s a solid backup.  That’s it.

[HOUSE]

I am pulling for him

 

 

[Gugny]

Can't stand tuhROD, but I still hope Houston wins.

[eball]

19 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

I am happy for Tyrod. He represented the Bills well. While he may be a bit limited as a quarterback, he was a hard worker, a quality leader and someone who I will always be happy he was part of the organization. Good people are worth acknowledging.

 

I have no earthly idea why anyone would “vomit emoji” this post or “lol” it.  Folks got issues…are we really at a point in this society in which we “hate on” good people simply because they didn’t play a game the way we wanted them to?

 

[Rochesterfan]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

-So you make up a narrative - that Tyrod planned to be a career backup in the NFL

-You ignore or shunt aside any evidence that refutes this - F

     -For example, Taylor was drafted by the Ravens and had no choice about the team or his role on it for 4 years

     -The MOMENT he became a free agent he signed with a team where he was promised an honest chance to compete for starter - which he did, successfully ,and then started for 3 years

-The man played his ass off to win the Bills their first playoff appearance in 17 seasons

-When the Bills moved on from him, they traded him - again, no choice about the team he played for or his role on it

-Nevertheless, he has competed for and been announced as the starter on 3 other teams since then (Browns, Chargers, Texans)

 

His whole career either refutes or fails to support your narrative

Then, based on the narrative you create (which is out of sync with the reality of his actual career), you declare that you don't respect him

 

Un. Be. Lievable.

 

Tyrod is a competitor.  If he wanted to be a career backup, instead of signing with the Chargers he could arguably have tried to sign with the Ravens where he might be seen as an ideal backup for Lamar Jackson but would have 0 chance to compete for a starting job.

 

His problem is that  he's never been able to adapt to the NFL passing game, where the QB has to throw with anticipation and into tight windows

 

100% agree - the argument around Tyrod was never a question of his hard work, his desire to win, his leadership, his competitiveness, or his desire to start and lead a team.

 

The issue with Tyrod was could he learn to throw with anticipation or was he going to continue to only throw to wide open receivers that have turned to face him.  Many fans both on this board and others really only wanted the best for the Bills and the hope that Tyrod could bring that about.  What we saw was that in a limited role on a team with a strong defense - that was possible, but we could only go so far.

 

I feel for Tyrod because every place he has gone he has fought to get the starting role and things have conspired to hold him back (some of that being his own play), but he once again finds himself in a no win role on a team with their QB of the past and present stuck behind him and no real future.  I hope for his sake he finds some wins on a bad roster because I think this might end up being his last rodeo.

 

 

[JohnNord]

Like most fans I loved Tyrod and hoped he was the answer at QB.  But by the end of 2017, it was clear he was more of a game manager when the Bills needed a franchise QB.  
 

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on Twitter about Tyrod and that he doesn’t get the same accolades that other Bills players do - namely Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 

The story is spun to the point that many are saying that Tyrod should get credit for breaking the playoff drought.  Sorry but I can’t buy that. 

 

Its very clear to me why fans don’t speak of Tyrod as highly as do with Fitz:

 

- The Bills teams with Fitz as QB were overachievers.  They were supposed to be bottom feeders but Fitz’s competitiveness made them below average.  Thank the Rex, Tyrod’s team was positioned as a contender.  They underperformed. 

 

- Fitzpatrick is a YOLO QB who is very exciting to watch.  Big highs and big low.  Tyrod is very conservative as a passer and not as fun.

 

- Fitz has an outgoing humorous personality.  Many press conferences deliver awesome sound bytes.  Tyrod is quiet and humble, which make it harder for fans to latch onto.  
 

- Fitzpatrick has had some success after his stint in Buffalo and routinely gives fans props.  Tyrod, not so much.

 

So all in all, it’s not surprise why there seems to be more fondness for Fitz than Tyrod as ex-QB’s.

 

With that being said, I do hope fans give Tyrod a great ovation when he returns to Buffalo.  He was never the right QB for the team but he was also placed in some pretty bad situations 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Thank god I didn’t take any Texan players in my FFL draft.

I hated the Tyrod wars when he was here. I knew without a doubt that as long as he was on this team there was no chance at a Super Bowl

[JohnNord]

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Fitz may have been more fun here, but as a Bills QB it’s definitely Tyrod>Fitz…. For all Tyrods faults he wasn’t a turnover machine like Fitz was and outside of the 2017 season(when he had a ***** show at the receivers position) he was very efficient and effective as a QB…. His 2016 season was actually a good one. 
 

There is also “fondness” for Drew Bledsoe as QB here… why? I have no idea.

 

Disagree. You can't win playing Tyrod ball. His floor might have been higher than Fitz. His ceiling was lower.

[Jerome007]

Tyrod had his moments here, but yeah, it was hard to like the guy as it seemed he had more talent than he used. Not because of work ethics issue, but he was sooooo into the "managing QB" mindset it was his own self-imposed ceiling. Like a super conservative boring coach.  Still, he's a good (not great!) QB but wow at him starting over Watson. Let's TRULY enjoy the current Bills ride as there are so many examples of teams imploding it's scary!

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

My lasting image of Tyrod was when he went 1-8 for 8 yards in the second half of a game where we were getting absolutely destroyed by the Saints. The next game was against the Chargers and Nathan Peterman got his 1st career start. I don’t need to remind everyone how that went…

Just be thankful that Nate was that horrid because if he wasn't we might never had drafted Josh Allen. 

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

Fitz may have been more fun here, but as a Bills QB it’s definitely Tyrod>Fitz…. For all Tyrods faults he wasn’t a turnover machine like Fitz was and outside of the 2017 season(when he had a ***** show at the receivers position) he was very efficient and effective as a QB…. His 2016 season was actually a good one. 
 

There is also “fondness” for Drew Bledsoe as QB here… why? I have no idea.

Not with me.  I thought Bledsoe was a flop.  

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Tyrod had his moments here, but yeah, it was hard to like the guy as it seemed he had more talent than he used. Not because of work ethics issue, but he was sooooo into the "managing QB" mindset it was his own self-imposed ceiling. Like a super conservative boring coach.  Still, he's a good (not great!) QB but wow at him starting over Watson. Let's TRULY enjoy the current Bills ride as there are so many examples of teams imploding it's scary!

 

Watson starting isn't an option because he doesn't want to. The Texans don't want him to. The NFL doesn't want him to. Take your pick. 

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

That’s the implication.  It definitely makes it sound the Bills made a mistake, which they didn’t. 
 

Tyrod is the opposite of Fitz: too careful with the ball.  Neither is a starter but they are decent backups and in the right situation, which isn’t Houston, Tyrod can do enough to get you to the playoffs whereas Fitz has shown he can’t. I appreciate what he did during the drought-ender and actually didn’t have a problem with his comments (other than disagreeing that he would have remained the starter if he were white). 

[JohnNord]

16 minutes ago, Doc said:

That’s the implication.  It definitely makes it sound the Bills made a mistake, which they didn’t. 
 

Tyrod is the opposite of Fitz: too careful with the ball.  Neither is a starter but they are decent backups and in the right situation, which isn’t Houston, Tyrod can do enough to get you to the playoffs whereas Fitz has shown he can’t. I appreciate what he did during the drought-ender and actually didn’t have a problem with his comments (other than disagreeing that he would have remained the starter if he were white). 

I don’t get it.  Moving on from Tyrod was the right thing for so many reasons, especially considering the 3rd round draft pick they go in return.  

9 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  And yet there are Bills fans that  call tyrod a loser technically true of each member of the teams in the drought era. That would include a bills fan favorite Ryan Fitzpatrick.  Seems with a very similar record during his tenure with the bills he's regarded as a smart competitor whod be a winner if only his athleticism matched his intelligence and he just couldn't make the throws but he could clearly read what the defense was doing.  He at least tried to win games and didn't hesitate to pull the trigger and the inevitable int.   Not his fault the defense intercepted him.  Whereas Tyrod is vilified as a gutless loser because he didn't wish to risk to's.  That seems like a smart way to play.   Both are stopgap talents neither capable of pulling out a win on their talents alone  consistently yet Fitzpatrick is given a pass more readily,  because he's not as gifted an athlete or is there some racial  bias mixed in there whether its intentional or not it seems plausible there is some element of ŕacial  bias.

 

Tyrod the perceived loser has a SB ring earned when he was Flacco backup.   And he was part of the bills drought breaking season.  No not the catalyst but his efforts were part of that teams success.  To dismiss his part in winning is just as wrong as dismissing Fitzpatrick penchant for the game ending ints as a reason the bills didn't end the drought under his watch. 

 

   I wish both success elsewhere with the caveat as long as its in the bills interests.  Otherwise let them come up short.  

 

 

 

Again, who perceived Tyrod as a loser?  Most Bills fans have him accurately pegged as a game manager/backup

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

It's not that complicated. Fans want their team to win football games, but short of that they want to be entertained. Fitzpatrick, for all his flaws, was an entertaining quarterback to watch. Taylor, equally flawed, was not.

As simple as this 👆

[Hapless Bills Fan]

54 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Can someone explain this tweet to me?  Is it to suggest that the Bills did Tyrod wrong?

 

 

2 facts walked into a bar……,

 

IOW, no

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t get it.  Moving on from Tyrod was the right thing for so many reasons, especially considering the 3rd round draft pick they go in return.  

Again, who perceived Tyrod as a loser?  Most Bills fans have him accurately pegged as a game manager/backup

As simple as this 👆

Look around this thread

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Seemed bringing in an average QB who would improve the offense to average was Rex Ryan's plan to get the Bills to the playoffs and break the drought.

 

When he took over, we had the #4 defense in the league and the #18 offense on points.   Seemed like his idea was, take that #4 defense and improve the offense to top-10 or close to that, and we're "In", it's "On".  So he brought in an OC who had offensive success all the way to the Superbowl with a "meh" QB who could run and a creative run game, and a QB who could run and throw deep and who was careful with the football - not throwing game-changing picks.

 

Well, that part worked as intended, but the defense tanked

 

 

I think there's some revisionist history here. 

 

In 2015, relative to EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel etc - Taylor WAS entertaining.  He was exciting and fast when he ran, and he threw a pretty deep ball and also passed decently to wide open receivers.  In 2016, when the offensive productivity dipped because teams had tape on what Taylor wouldn't try so they could focus on shutting down what he did well, fans started to get restless.  Then in 2017 when the Bills abandoned the offense that suited Taylor AND jettisoned all the good WR on the team (Watkins, Woods, Goodwin), then tried to make him a pocket passer throwing to Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes, Zay Jones, and Fat Kelvin Benjamin, it became pretty Grim.

There was a similar phenomenon with Fitzpatrick.  He was a blessed relief when he replaced Trent Edwards, and we were vastly entertained in 2011 when the Bills started 5-2.  Then when we had a 7 game losing streak and it became clear his penchant for throwing game-turning picks at the worst time was not a skin he would shed, he became "the worst QB in the league" "Pickspatrick" "he sucks" etc etc.  He was not seen as very entertaining.

 

 

Perhaps there’s a recency bias with the fan base and Tyrod.  Rather than remembering him as the scrambling QB throwing bombs against the Jets in 2016, fans remember his as the boring QB who was the poor fit in Rick Dennison’s offense with a bad supporting cast

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Just be thankful that Nate was that horrid because if he wasn't we might never had drafted Josh Allen. 

 

I don't believe that. Nate would have had to be very good indeed for the Bills to decide to pass on the 2018 QB class. The plan was set the moment Beane walked in the door. They were always taking a Quarterback from that 2018 class. I actually think Peterman being semi-serviceable might have made them even more willing for that guy to be Allen because you will recall the plan was not to start him early in 2018.... albeit in the long run I always felt he was a guy who if he was going to learn was going to learn from doing not learn from sitting. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Perhaps there’s a recency bias with the fan base and Tyrod.  Rather than remembering him as the scrambling QB throwing bombs against the Jets in 2016, fans remember his as the boring QB who was the poor fit in Rick Dennison’s offense with a bad supporting cast

 

I'm glad Dennsion got fired too.  He was at least as responsible for that dumpster fire of an offense.  

 

Any argument to keeping him would have been for 1 year only - I would've been OK with that.  But they got a 3rd round pick (#65 for the trade) which to me was worth it.  The team made the playoffs the previous year but they played a cupcake schedule, and were installing a new offense.  

 

The argument for losing him?  He was really bad in that dennison offense.  134 yards passing, 1 pick, sacked twice, 3 points.  In a playoff game.

 

He rallied that team to that chiefs win that season when the season was like teetering on disaster (

), and helped end the drought (snow game was also a big help).  The man does deserve some respect.

Edited September 7, 2021 by dneveu

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Perhaps there’s a recency bias with the fan base and Tyrod.  Rather than remembering him as the scrambling QB throwing bombs against the Jets in 2016, fans remember his as the boring QB who was the poor fit in Rick Dennison’s offense with a bad supporting cast

 

Exactly, This. 

[Epictetus]

Both Tyrod and “Fritz” were backup QBs that we attempted to use as franchise QBs, which neither of them are.  So, this argument is silly.  We needed a franchise QB and we rolled the dice (successfully, so far) on Josh Allen.  We would have drafted him or the best available prospect, regardless of whether we kept Tyrod or Fritz or whoever we picked up to replace them.

 

we did not make a mistake in drafting John Allen.

[SirAndrew]

20 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Perhaps there’s a recency bias with the fan base and Tyrod.  Rather than remembering him as the scrambling QB throwing bombs against the Jets in 2016, fans remember his as the boring QB who was the poor fit in Rick Dennison’s offense with a bad supporting cast

That’s definitely correct. I will always remember Tyrod as a game manager who did well enough to break the playoff drought. He was also the best QB we’d had at that point for some time. That being said, the recency bias extends to his time with the Browns and Chargers. Tyrod now looks more like 2017 Tyrod than the 2015 Tyrod. It seems like something happened mentally to Tyrod from 2017 on. He’s a different player who’s completely timid and unwilling to push the ball downfield. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I'm glad Dennsion got fired too.  He was at least as responsible for that dumpster fire of an offense.  

 

Any argument to keeping him would have been for 1 year only - I would've been OK with that.  But they got a 3rd round pick (#65 for the trade) which to me was worth it.  The team made the playoffs the previous year but they played a cupcake schedule, and were installing a new offense.  

 

The argument for losing him?  He was really bad in that dennison offense.  134 yards passing, 1 pick, sacked twice, 3 points.  In a playoff game.

 

He rallied that team to that chiefs win that season when the season was like teetering on disaster), and helped end the drought (snow game was also a big help).  The man does deserve some respect.

 

On the Dennison point, I said the moment he was hired that Tyrod was not a fit for that scheme. Indeed it led to Aaron Quinn from Cover 1 blocking me because he had done a long video on how he was a perfect fit and I made my case as to why I disagreed and he came back saying "you're wrong" and when I explained it again he blocked me. Oh well. 

 

I was totally out on Tyrod by the Cincy game in 2016. In 2015 I didn't "enjoy" his play (that Tennessee game was barely watchable to my poor, poor eyes) but I appreciated him and the alternative was starting EJ or Matt Cassel. In 2016 I was saying "okay, seen enough, this 2017 QB class is good, let's take one of these guys." I understood with what happened why the Bills decided to stick with him one more year and the 2017 restructure was a happy moment for me because it was pretty much a guarantee that whatever happened they were moving on after the season. 

 

I think one of the things that most turned me against Tyrod (and it wasn't his fault) was that he had a cultish devotion on here of people who even after that 2017 restructure were adamant he was the franchise guy, including a couple of posters I have huge respect for..... I just couldn't see what they were watching. But yea, good guy, good teammate, responded to adversity well, but was always a below average NFL Quarterback and his style of Quarterback play is just never ever going to be for me because there is such a low ceiling on it. 

Just now, SirAndrew said:

That’s definitely correct. I will always remember Tyrod as a game manager who did well enough to break the playoff drought. He was also the best QB we’d had at that point for some time. That being said, the recency bias extends to his time with the Browns and Chargers. Tyrod now looks more like 2017 Tyrod than the 2015 Tyrod. It seems like something happened mentally to Tyrod from 2017 on. He’s a different player who’s completely timid and unwilling to push the ball downfield. 

 

He was always that player. He threw some deep balls in 2017 but there were all of the "safe" variety. The problem with Tyrod wasn't throws he missed on.... it was throws that were there and he wouldn't make.... he'd run around behind the line of scrimmage instead and for the 12 times a game he'd do that he might convert 3 or 4 first downs but he was missing wide open receivers that he could have hit for big gains. 

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On the Dennison point, I said the moment he was hired that Tyrod was not a fit for that scheme. Indeed it led to Aaron Quinn from Cover 1 blocking me because he had done a long video on how he was a perfect fit and I made my case as to why I disagreed and he came back saying "you're wrong" and when I explained it again he blocked me. Oh well. 

 

I was totally out on Tyrod by the Cincy game in 2016. In 2015 I didn't "enjoy" his play (that Tennessee game was barely watchable to my poor, poor eyes) but I appreciated him and the alternative was starting EJ or Matt Cassel. In 2016 I was saying "okay, seen enough, this 2017 QB class is good, let's take one of these guys." I understood with what happened why the Bills decided to stick with him one more year and the 2017 restructure was a happy moment for me because it was pretty much a guarantee that whatever happened they were moving on after the season. 

 

I think one of the things that most turned me against Tyrod (and it wasn't his fault) was that he had a cultish devotion on here of people who even after that 2017 restructure were adamant he was the franchise guy, including a couple of posters I have huge respect for..... I just couldn't see what they were watching. But yea, good guy, good teammate, responded to adversity well, but was always a below average NFL Quarterback and his style of Quarterback play is just never ever going to be for me because there is such a low ceiling on it. 

 

He was always that player. He threw some deep balls in 2017 but there were all of the "safe" variety. The problem with Tyrod wasn't throws he missed on.... it was throws that were there and he wouldn't make.... he'd run around behind the line of scrimmage instead and for the 12 times a game he'd do that he might convert 3 or 4 first downs but he was missing wide open receivers that he could have hit for big gains. 

That’s fair, Tyrod lost me when I saw him

play in person for the first time in 2017. He was spending way too much time scrambling behind the line missing tons of easy reads. That said, I’ll always think that he changed a little bit, and was coached by McD’s regime to be more cautious because they didn’t trust him, and wanted to win with defense. It was understandable given the fact that the offense had very little talent, and the defense performed very well. I’m not claiming that Tyrod was ever an elite passing QB, but for whatever reason I have a different perception of the Rex Ryan coached Tyrod. 

[mannc]

Does anyone else think the Deshaun Watson situation is bizarre and unprecedented?  He’s not been suspended or charged with a crime, still on the 53-man roster, he’s 100% healthy, still being paid a fortune, still a top-5 QB in the league, and is expected to be inactive indefinitely on game day….WTF is going on?

[ColoradoBills]

Tyrod has made $54M for 54 passing TDs.

Good money if you can get the work!

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s fair, Tyrod lost me when I saw him

play in person for the first time in 2017. He was spending way too much time scrambling behind the line missing tons of easy reads. That said, I’ll always think that he changed a little bit, and was coached by McD’s regime to be more cautious because they didn’t trust him, and wanted to win with defense. It was understandable given the fact that the offense had very little talent, and the defense performed very well. I’m not claiming that Tyrod was ever an elite passing QB, but for whatever reason I have a different perception of the Rex Ryan coached Tyrod. 

His last year in Buffalo was not good.  He really made very few plays. I was willing to hope he might continue to improve, but he stunk.

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

His last year in Buffalo was not good.  He really made very few plays. I was willing to hope he might continue to improve, but he stunk.

Exactly, that’s basically my point. Tyrod went from being an Alex Smith type game manager to Trent Edwards by his final season. I acknowledge the fact that we had the worst receivers in the game, but that’s who Tyrod is now. His recent stops in Cleveland and LA have proven that. I’ll always have a soft spot for Tyrod, and he did some good things for us, but he never continued to progress as a QB. Defenses figured him out, and he retreated into his shell of just being the guy who doesn’t make mistakes. 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Does anyone else think the Deshaun Watson situation is bizarre and unprecedented?  He’s not been suspended or charged with a crime, still on the 53-man roster, he’s 100% healthy, still being paid a fortune, still a top-5 QB in the league, and is expected to be inactive indefinitely on game day….WTF is going on?

 

Yep. It is beyond odd. The league and Houston have suspended him without suspending him and he is happy because he wants out anyway....

[MiltonWaddams]

If Tyrod played as well in 75% of his games as he did in the Monday Night game in Seattle, he would be a consistent starter in the league. Sadly, he could never replicate that. Wish him the best as I have seen him at his best.

[Alphadawg7]

Is Tyrod Taylor a good starting QB.  No, he is not.  But he is a capable one and a solid backup.  I far more hated the Fitzpatrick years than I did the Tyrod years.  People forget, Tyrods 3 years here were the highest scoring 3 years in Buffalo history outside of the first 3 SB years with Kelly.  Unfortunately, those same 3 years were the ones that loser Rex Ryan destroyed our defense and made it one of the worst in the NFL.  

 

The amount of extreme hate he gets is mind blowing to me, especially after he helped us snap the playoff drought, and I think he also made 2 pro bowls.  And while everyone of his haters likes to credit Andy Dalton with our playoff birth, I like to remind them we would have had 10 wins that year if we didnt try the failed Nathan Pickerman fiasco in LA against the Chargers.  I was at that game, the Chargers were terrible and coming off a bunch of bad losses.  

 

In fact, Tyrod easily moved the ball on them once we got him into the game in the second half.  Had TT played and started the whole game, we dont lose that game at all.  So, IMO, TT was still a big part of us breaking the playoff skid and that I will always be grateful for.  ESPECIALLY since that was one less thing on Josh Allens shoulders when he stepped onto the field to deal with.  

 

My expectations are low for TT as a starter for Houston, the team literally has one of the worst rosters in the NFL, so he is not in any way setup to succeed there.  He is no where good enough to carry a bad roster.  Who knows, might look ok week 1 against another bad team...but either way, its not going to be a good season for the Texans or Tyrod.  

 

Regardless I wish him the best and good luck...and hes gonna need it on that crap show of a team. 

[FilthyBeast]

Very strange that the Texans insist on keeping Watson and paying him huge money to do nothing.

 

Regarding Taylor, great for him but the reality is that the Texans are likely going to be a bad team this year and playing from behind a lot which is not conducive to Taylor's conservative/game manager style of play so I still expect him to be benched sooner than later for the 'next man up' (whoever that is) possibly even before our week 4 matchup.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On the Dennison point, I said the moment he was hired that Tyrod was not a fit for that scheme. Indeed it led to Aaron Quinn from Cover 1 blocking me because he had done a long video on how he was a perfect fit and I made my case as to why I disagreed and he came back saying "you're wrong" and when I explained it again he blocked me. Oh well. 

 

I was totally out on Tyrod by the Cincy game in 2016. In 2015 I didn't "enjoy" his play (that Tennessee game was barely watchable to my poor, poor eyes) but I appreciated him and the alternative was starting EJ or Matt Cassel. In 2016 I was saying "okay, seen enough, this 2017 QB class is good, let's take one of these guys." I understood with what happened why the Bills decided to stick with him one more year and the 2017 restructure was a happy moment for me because it was pretty much a guarantee that whatever happened they were moving on after the season. 

 

I think one of the things that most turned me against Tyrod (and it wasn't his fault) was that he had a cultish devotion on here of people who even after that 2017 restructure were adamant he was the franchise guy, including a couple of posters I have huge respect for..... I just couldn't see what they were watching. But yea, good guy, good teammate, responded to adversity well, but was always a below average NFL Quarterback and his style of Quarterback play is just never ever going to be for me because there is such a low ceiling on it. 

 

He was always that player. He threw some deep balls in 2017 but there were all of the "safe" variety. The problem with Tyrod wasn't throws he missed on.... it was throws that were there and he wouldn't make.... he'd run around behind the line of scrimmage instead and for the 12 times a game he'd do that he might convert 3 or 4 first downs but he was missing wide open receivers that he could have hit for big gains. 

 

He also never evolved.  He's the same guy now that he was in 2015.  He's a fantastic backup because he won't necessarily kill you.  The 8-10% sack rate will still happen because he holds the ball, he won't turn it over much. 

 

Houston doesn't have the defense needed to play with a QB like Tyrod and be competitive.  Cooks is fine. The backs are fine.  But there will be a ton of blowouts, because ball control and security only get you so far when the defense is one of the worst units in the NFL.  

[dave mcbride]

16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

True Dat.  He was also given Todd Haley as his offensive coordinator.

 

 

This is probable.  I think the point is that he's still in the league because while he's not the guy you pursue as the Franchise, he's 24-21-1 as a starter, and a QB who can win at least half the games for you as a backup has value.

25-21-1. It is fricking ridiculous that he doesn’t get credit for the start in the season opener from 2015.  He played the entire game at qb and cassel got the credit because of a single trick rushing play.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He blocked you? Wtf?

 

All the Cover1 guys seem kinda twitchy if you disagree with them.

 

IIRC there are a couple of other posters here who clearly know their football and have been blocked by one or the other of those guys.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

All the Cover1 guys seem kinda twitchy if you disagree with them.

 

IIRC there are a couple of other posters here who clearly know their football and have been blocked by one or the other of those guys.

Seems kinda childish blocking someone that just respectfully disagrees. Can understand if being disrespected and belittled etc