Belichick has only one active QB

[jkeerie]

11 hours ago, Coastie said:

It you are an military academy quarterback you did not throw many passes. I'm sorry, I an retired military and watched many inter service games, they are not prepping you to be an NFL QB.

Probably why he switched to WR.

[Success]

10 hours ago, Nelius said:

The Patriots are going to be so awful this year. This is not a case of Belicheat turning absolutely nothing into a pesky playoff bubble team, this is the bottom falling out. I bet they finish behind the Jets.

Man, I hope you're right.

 

They have one of the best O-lines in the league, a very solid defense, and probably one of the better running games.  I think the Pats are going to be a tough out.

 

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Nelius said:

The Patriots are going to be so awful this year. This is not a case of Belicheat turning absolutely nothing into a pesky playoff bubble team, this is the bottom falling out. I bet they finish behind the Jets.

 

They won 7 games with a QB who threw 8 TDs and 10 ints.  They had no functional TE.  Their WR group was trash.  Yet they had the #7 D in points.  Now they have Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry plus Agholor and Kendrick Bourne.  On D they added Pro Bowler Judon, beefed up at CB and brought back Van Noy.

 

On paper at least, it's a better team.  The rookie QB would have to go a long way to play worse than Newton.  They won't challenge the Bills for the Division, but the Jets blow and Miami with Tua could be a disaster.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They won 7 games with a QB who threw 8 TDs and 10 ints.  They had no functional TE.  Their WR group was trash.  Yet they had the #7 D in points.  Now they have Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry plus Agholor and Kendrick Bourne.  On D they added Pro Bowler Judon, beefed up at CB and brought back Van Noy.

 

On paper at least, it's a better team.  The rookie QB would have to go a long way to play worse than Newton.  They won't challenge the Bills for the Division, but the Jets blow and Miami with Tua could be a disaster.

 

Operative word is rookie.  As I have always asserted, Jones is the most intriguing rookie this year, he could be a total disaster  and worse than Cam 2020 or s  star.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Operative word is rookie.  As I have always asserted, Jones is the most intriguing rookie this year, he could be a total disaster  and worse than Cam 2020 or s  star.

 

Newton was awful.  Hoyer could come in and win 8 games with this roster.

[Mango]

11 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Would love to see it.

 

Really looking forward to the Dolphins vs. Patriots week one game. Somebody's got to lose! Tua has some pretty good skill players now but I still think he is going to struggle against the Patriots D.  Even without Gilmore. 

 

As for Mac Jones. Freaking Dolphins D better not let him have a decent game. New England will probably just run it anyway though. Mac will have like 18-20 pass attempts.

 

Am I the only one who does not get the hype. I was at lunch the other day, and the bartender was talking about how he looked like Brady....WHAT?

I think he has a good arm and is an accurate passer, but he seems to stare down receivers for eternity. Unless he fixes that, I just see him getting worked by starting defenses who are game planning against him. The Phins defense was solid last year. Unless they get a little surprised because he is a rook, and play on their heels a bit, I suspect 2 picks from Jones. 

[Ghost_002!]

16 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Operative word is rookie.  As I have always asserted, Jones is the most intriguing rookie this year, he could be a total disaster  and worse than Cam 2020 or s  star.

I think he is intriguing to some because he is a Patriot now, if he was with another team nobody here would be focusing on him like that. (Not dissing anyone)

 

 

Look at how many rookie QBs are starting this year and how many 2nd year QBs will be playing. To me Lawrence w Meyer is a more intriguing, Hurts, Tua, Burrow, Herbert etc..again I am not trying to crap on what topic people decide to talk about..just saying.

Edited September 2, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Newton was awful.  Hoyer could come in and win 8 games with this roster.

I dont disagree with that.  Newton was awful but not awful enough for Bill not to resign him.  I think it was his attitude and Covid/unvaxxed did him in. 

 

Bills should have offered Hoyer $5 million to sign with them.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Bills should have offered Hoyer $5 million to sign with them.

I'm certainly glad things didn't go that way myself. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

9 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

I think he is intriguing to some because he is a Patriot now, if he was with another team nobody here would be focusing on him like that. (Not dissing anyone)

 

 

Look at how many rookie QBs are starting this year and how many 2nd year QBs will be playing. To me Lawrence w Meyer is a more intriguing, Hurts, Tua, Burrow, Herbert etc..again I am not trying to crap on what topic people decide to talk about..just saying.

 

 Agree with that if you throw in Urban Meyer angle.  Urban already looks defeated, like Nick Saban as a pro coach, what he does with Lawrence is pretty intriguing.  Too bad for Lawrence he didnt get a proven NFL HC not some kind of experiment.

 

I put the Over/under at 2 years on Meyers's career in Jax.

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm certainly glad things didn't go that way myself. 

I was being facetious, something Belichek would do or at least consider.

[ColoradoBills]

You don't need QBs when you plan to run a Double TE Wishbone Offense as BB plans to.

[Mr. WEO]

37 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I dont disagree with that.  Newton was awful but not awful enough for Bill not to resign him.  I think it was his attitude and Covid/unvaxxed did him in. 

 

Bills should have offered Hoyer $5 million to sign with them.

 

BB used Newton's vax status as a means to get rid of him with no blow back from anywhere.  He had made the decision to go with the rookie.  He didn't need Newton around as a distraction.  The vax issue solved all of his Cam problems.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

They won 7 games with a QB who threw 8 TDs and 10 ints.  They had no functional TE.  Their WR group was trash.  Yet they had the #7 D in points.  Now they have Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry plus Agholor and Kendrick Bourne.  On D they added Pro Bowler Judon, beefed up at CB and brought back Van Noy.

 

On paper at least, it's a better team.  The rookie QB would have to go a long way to play worse than Newton.  They won't challenge the Bills for the Division, but the Jets blow and Miami with Tua could be a disaster.

 

4 of those 7 wins came against the Dolphins, Jets, Raiders. Baltimore, Arizona, and Chargers were the other 3.  Neither Arizona nor the Chargers finished above .500 despite their good QB play.  The Dolphins I think lucked into a lot of flukey wins and were worse than they finished.  So in honesty, they beat 1 good team and a bunch of terrible to average teams.

 

I don't think NE is a team to look past but I also don't think they are this scary team that people should be worried about.  If we had a solid line, run game, and defense... all you would hear is fans saying this is a passing league.

Edited September 2, 2021 by Scott7975

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

4 of those 7 wins came against the Dolphins, Jets, Raiders. Baltimore, Arizona, and Chargers were the other 3.  Neither Arizona nor the Chargers finished above .500 despite their good QB play.  The Dolphins I think lucked into a lot of flukey wins and were worse than they finished.  So in honesty, they beat 1 good team and a bunch of terrible to average teams.

 

I don't think NE is a team to look past but I also don't think they are this scary team that people should be worried about.  If we had a solid line, run game, and defense... all you would hear is fans saying this is a passing league.

 

Haven't seen them described as scary anywhere. But I'm not sure how they are worse than last season. Or worse than the Jets.

[Matt_In_NH]

Not usually this guy but I expected him to grab Fromm.  

[Doc]

 

19 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I dont disagree with that.  Newton was awful but not awful enough for Bill not to resign him.  I think it was his attitude and Covid/unvaxxed did him in. 

 

Bills should have offered Hoyer $5 million to sign with them.

 

Yeah, no.  He's worth league minimum at best.  And with Trubisky he doesn't even merit a roster spot (and I'd submit not even a PS spot).

[GunnerBill]

20 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Newton was awful.  Hoyer could come in and win 8 games with this roster.

 

Not sure he could now. The Cleveland, Houston, Chicago era Hoyer could. I don't think at almost 36 he is that guy anymore.

18 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

4 of those 7 wins came against the Dolphins, Jets, Raiders. Baltimore, Arizona, and Chargers were the other 3.  Neither Arizona nor the Chargers finished above .500 despite their good QB play.  The Dolphins I think lucked into a lot of flukey wins and were worse than they finished.  So in honesty, they beat 1 good team and a bunch of terrible to average teams.

 

I don't think NE is a team to look past but I also don't think they are this scary team that people should be worried about.  If we had a solid line, run game, and defense... all you would hear is fans saying this is a passing league.

 

We had years with a solid line, run game and defense and people here were saying we should contend for a wildcard. That is what people are saying about New England too. I wouldn't be stunned if New England missed the playoffs but I'd be surprised of they don't win 8 or 9 games.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

He was hoping Brady would get cut and come running home 🙄 

[PromoTheRobot]

Lol at the different yardsticks used for the Patriots vs the Bills. If Buffalo had their QB situation no one would be talking playoffs. Then again the Patriots do have those special helmet radios that keep working during plays. Definitely a help for a rookie QB.

[NoSaint]

On 9/1/2021 at 10:37 PM, Limeaid said:

What this means is teams will take extra shots on rookie QB in a game when the QB has no backup in a game especially on teams which coaching staff is not secure.

 

This must be why Brian Flores was meeting with Gregg Williams.

meh. We have to assume one will be active 53 come game day so if you have a strong enough relationship to wrangle this for a minute to give an extra roster spot while shuffling statuses at cut day - so be it. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

On one side, the pats blogosphere is super high on Jones' decisionmaking, accuracy, and leadership.  On the other hand, they said the same things about Stidham until he actually had to play football.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not sure he could now. The Cleveland, Houston, Chicago era Hoyer could. I don't think at almost 36 he is that guy anymore.

 

We had years with a solid line, run game and defense and people here were saying we should contend for a wildcard. That is what people are saying about New England too. I wouldn't be stunned if New England missed the playoffs but I'd be surprised of they don't win 8 or 9 games.

 

Unless you are Scott Pioli who has the Pats winning the division this year 🤣 but yeah, 8 or 9 games sounds about right to me.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

"Good!  I have TBD-TSW all stirred up.  Now to call Roger and claim a couple extra conditional draft picks...after all, I only have one QB!"

 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Unless you are Scott Pioli who has the Pats winning the division this year 🤣 but yeah, 8 or 9 games sounds about right to me.

 

Yes I saw Pioli's prediction. He said he thinks the Bills are great and gave us the first wildcard spot but basically then said "but I'm a Pats homer and Bill's my buddy so they win the division." Lolz. 

31 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

On one side, the pats blogosphere is super high on Jones' decisionmaking, accuracy, and leadership.  On the other hand, they said the same things about Stidham until he actually had to play football.

 

While this is true let's not confuse Mac Jones's talent level with Jarret Stidham's. Jones was a consensus first round quarterback, who threw for 44 touchdowns his senior year, whereas it was a surprise when the Patriots took Jarret Stidham in the 4th round (I certainly had like a very late day 3 grade and I know a number of others who did too) and he threw 18 touchdowns his final year at Auburn. I get it, Auburn isn't Alabama, but Mac Jones is every way round a more talented prospect than Stidham, even if New England fans are definitely a little overexcited about him at this stage. 

[Ghost_002!]

59 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

On one side, the pats blogosphere is super high on Jones' decisionmaking, accuracy, and leadership.  On the other hand, they said the same things about Stidham until he actually had to play football.

 

What Patriot fan said this?? Stidham at one point last season was behind Newton and Hoyer. He barely ever saw the field last season. How could a Pats fans hype him if they never saw him!?

 

I remember pats fans wanting him to play cause the thought was he had to be better than Newton and Hoyer ....

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[PatsFanNH]

On 9/1/2021 at 9:51 PM, goober said:

Is that strategically getting around limits or having garbage backup QBs 

Why can’t it be both? Lol

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes I saw Pioli's prediction. He said he thinks the Bills are great and gave us the first wildcard spot but basically then said "but I'm a Pats homer and Bill's my buddy so they win the division." Lolz. 

 

While this is true let's not confuse Mac Jones's talent level with Jarret Stidham's. Jones was a consensus first round quarterback, who threw for 44 touchdowns his senior year, whereas it was a surprise when the Patriots took Jarret Stidham in the 4th round (I certainly had like a very late day 3 grade and I know a number of others who did too) and he threw 18 touchdowns his final year at Auburn. I get it, Auburn isn't Alabama, but Mac Jones is every way round a more talented prospect than Stidham, even if New England fans are definitely a little overexcited about him at this stage. 

Hey after a year of Cam Newton throwing the ball over heads or into the ground we are excited by accuracy.. lol 

[machine gun kelly]

I have no idea what Pats fans say on their board, because I choose not to go to other boards.  Not just the Pats, but pretty much any other team

with one exception in the Bucs

board.  That’s only because Ilive In Tampa.  There not as nuts as Bills fans, but they’re ok.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/1/2021 at 10:37 PM, Limeaid said:

What this means is teams will take extra shots on rookie QB in a game when the QB has no backup in a game especially on teams which coaching staff is not secure.

 

This must be why Brian Flores was meeting with Gregg Williams.

 

Belichick will be elevating a backup from the practice squad for each game.

 

This is just his dodge to carry an extra player on the roster until someone gets hurt or he gets real-season evaluation of a couple players and decides who to axe, made possible by the fact that he has backups no other team wants to poach who are willing to forfeit guaranteed salary and take PS pay

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

What Patriot fan said this?? Stidham at one point last season was behind Newton and Hoyer. He barely ever saw the field last season. How could a Pats fans hype him if they never saw him!?

 

I remember pats fans wanting him to play cause the thought was he had to be better than Newton and Hoyer ....

 

 

It's not news to the denizens here I have a couple good friends who are very long time Pats fans.  Going into 2019 with speculation high this was Brady's last season, they told me there was intense speculation about Stidham, and word he had looked better than Garrapolo ever had in practice and could perhaps replace Brady, among their fellow Pats fans. 

 

I watched several Belichick pressers in 2019 and in every one there was some variation of a question about "and how is Stidham coming along?"

 

When 2020 rolled around and he was #3 on the depth chart, it became evident to the most hopeful of these fans that was likely not true (or if true, wasn't translateing to the field) and the drafting of Jones clinched it.

[ColoradoBills]

Wow just checked on Hoyer.  Since 2016 he has a 1-12 record as a starter.

[Ghost_002!]

25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's not news to the denizens here I have a couple good friends who are very long time Pats fans.  Going into 2019 with speculation high this was Brady's last season, they told me there was intense speculation about Stidham, and word he had looked better than Garrapolo ever had in practice and could perhaps replace Brady, among their fellow Pats fans. 

 

I watched several Belichick pressers in 2019 and in every one there was some variation of a question about "and how is Stidham coming along?"

 

When 2020 rolled around and he was #3 on the depth chart, it became evident to the most hopeful of these fans that was likely not true (or if true, wasn't translateing to the field) and the drafting of Jones clinched it.

 

I could see him being better than Jimmy G in practice n preseason games. Jimmy G was the type to perform better during real games..

 

But BB pretty much showed everyone what he thought of Stidham early. Picking up Newton late in the off season, the Chiefs game where Hoyer was God awful and BB still waited to late sec half to put Stidham in the game. Or the dozen times Newton didn't look good. Stidham still never really got in.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I could see him being better than Jimmy G in practice n preseason games. Jimmy G was the type to perform better during real games..

 

But BB pretty much showed everyone what he thought of Stidham early. Picking up Newton late in the off season, the Chiefs game where Hoyer was God awful and BB still waited to late sec half to put Stidham in the game. Or the dozen times Newton didn't look good. Stidham still never really got in.

 

I agree with you about the evaluation revealed by Belichick's QB decisions in 2020.

 

My point is, there was a time during 2019 when Pats fans legitimately thought Stidham might be "all that and a bag of chips" and were saying glowing things about him - in 2019 preseason, reports from practice etc.

 

[NickelCity]

6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I could see him being better than Jimmy G in practice n preseason games. Jimmy G was the type to perform better during real games..

 

But BB pretty much showed everyone what he thought of Stidham early. Picking up Newton late in the off season, the Chiefs game where Hoyer was God awful and BB still waited to late sec half to put Stidham in the game. Or the dozen times Newton didn't look good. Stidham still never really got in.

 

Yes but there was a time when the noise about Stidham was unavoidable. He failed to pan out pretty quickly, but it happened.

[Ghost_002!]

21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with you about the evaluation revealed by Belichick's QB decisions in 2020.

 

My point is, there was a time during 2019 when Pats fans legitimately thought Stidham might be "all that and a bag of chips" and were saying glowing things about him - in 2019 preseason, reports from practice etc.

 

 

 

I would take your word for it.

20 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

Yes but there was a time when the noise about Stidham was unavoidable. He failed to pan out pretty quickly, but it happened.

I would take your word for it. I never heard it or got the vibe..but then again a fan is gonna fan..I sure you guys know that from your own fan base

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Hey after a year of Cam Newton throwing the ball over heads or into the ground we are excited by accuracy.. lol 

 

You won't get any sympathy around here. When you've watched EJ "media tent" Manuel it is even possible to convince yourself Kyle "the slide" Orton is legit.

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Wow just checked on Hoyer.  Since 2016 he has a 1-12 record as a starter.

 

Yea and that is the problem with those high end game manager backup types. They don't have to decline a lot before they are not even serviceable. At a slightly higher level the same happened to Dalton. A league average game manager who once he lost even 5% of his ball velocity and mobility went very quickly to nothing more than a backup.

Edited September 3, 2021 by GunnerBill

[first_and_ten]

On 9/1/2021 at 9:49 PM, Cruiserplayer said:

In our fantasy league Bill never drafts a kicker or dst. He is always bending the rules.

 

And we're supposed to believe him when he said being unvaccinated had nothing to do with Cam being cut. Yeah, and I have some ocean front property for sale.

[Albany,n.y.]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Belichick will be elevating a backup from the practice squad for each game.

 

This is just his dodge to carry an extra player on the roster until someone gets hurt or he gets real-season evaluation of a couple players and decides who to axe, made possible by the fact that he has backups no other team wants to poach who are willing to forfeit guaranteed salary and take PS pay

Hoyer knows he's good for 2 real paychecks the 1st 2 weeks of the season & then he's either going to be signed to the 53 or released.  It's better than nothing.  As long as Jones stays healthy BB can do this for 2 weeks with Gilbert & 2 more for the next 2 games with whatever bum of the month they want to sign to the practice squad for the next 2 games.  After that Stidham comes back from PUP & then they sign some other younger street free agent to the practice squad.  Who knows, by then Nathan Peterman may be available for the Patriots practice squad.  

13 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

What Patriot fan said this?? Stidham at one point last season was behind Newton and Hoyer. He barely ever saw the field last season. How could a Pats fans hype him if they never saw him!?

 

I remember pats fans wanting him to play cause the thought was he had to be better than Newton and Hoyer ....

 

and they may have been right.  Stidham is the only one of the 3 collecting a full paycheck from NE every week.