IR Stash List -

[GoBills!]

With the new rules of only having to miss 3 games, what guys do you think we are able to stash on IR? I know they have to make the 53 man roster, but cutting and signing is something we done in the past. 

 

Sweeney - 6 ft 5 250 lbs, 3 years of back luck but I think he is a good IR stash if his foot injury is going to be multiple weeks. 

Issah Hodgins - Right now he is on the outside looking in. I think he has NFL talent but we are just too loaded this year. If not IR I don't know if he makes it to practice squad.

Stevenson - I loved what I saw speed, and vision wise on the return today and his play last week. I think he is a gamer and will be our guy next year if he isn't this year.

 

New rules - 

An unlimited number of players can return from a team’s injured reserve list, and they are eligible after missing a minimum of only three games.

After three weeks, the player becomes eligible to return to practice. Once he returns to practice, the team has 21 days to place him back on the active roster.

Previously, a team had only two IR-return designations it could use in a season and a player was required to miss a minimum of eight weeks.

Only players on the 53-player roster after Sept. 1 are eligible to be designated for return from IR or the non-football injury list.

 

 

[Rc2catch]

Im not sure exactly what you’re trying to get at here. 
We put those 3 on IR the whole season? 

[MWK]

Doyle is a prime candidate. Doesn’t look ready to play and got an injury today. We could look to sign another tackle instead of him (Hopefully not just keeping Bobby Hart). Could see Stevenson or Hodgins too, maybe a guy like Wildgoose too if they are worried he could get claimed.

Edited August 22, 2021 by MWK

[17islongenough]

What players are eligible to be cut and not be subject to waivers?

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

What players are eligible to be cut and not be subject to waivers?

 

 

Typically also on a 1 year contract.

The prime guys that fit this are Breida, McKenzie, Hollister and Taiwan Jones.

[BigAl2526]

I think the Bills would rather keep Sweeney on the 53 man roster if they can.  Doyle would be a great IR candidate as well as Stevenson and Hodgins.  Doyle could probably use an entire year on IR to work out the rough spots in his game.  Hodgins and Stevenson can stay on the IR until/unless needed because of injury. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by BigAl2526

[GoBills!]

18 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Im not sure exactly what you’re trying to get at here. 
We put those 3 on IR the whole season? 

The new rules is any one can come back after missing only 3 games, So lets say we stash Sweeney. He is ready to go after 3-4 weeks. We have a guy go down, we can take him off IR. The rule used to be you have only certain guys designated to return also at one time it was like only after 7-8 weeks.

1 minute ago, BigAl2526 said:

I think the Bills would rather keep Sweeney on the 53 man roster if they can.  Doyle would be a great IR candidate as well as Stevenson and Hodgins.  Doyle could probably use and entire year to work out the rough spots in his game.  Hodgins and Stevenson can stay on the IR until/unless needed because of injury. 

Forgot about Doyle, He is a monster in size and just hasn't been healthy yet. As a draft pick he may be a good candidate and stay there for all or majority of the season. 

 

[John from Riverside]

After today that player might be Stevenson

[Rc2catch]

Just now, GoBills! said:

The new rules is any one can come back after missing only 3 games, So lets say we stash Sweeney. He is ready to go after 3-4 weeks. We have a guy go down, we can take him off IR. The rule used to be you have only certain guys designated to return also at one time it was like only after 7-8 weeks.

But you can’t IR him until we make the cuts to get to 53 right? We had to cut roberts and Marlowe last year and sign them back to get mongo on IR. 

[GoBills!]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

But you can’t IR him until we make the cuts to get to 53 right? We had to cut roberts and Marlowe last year and sign them back to get mongo on IR. 

Yes they have to make the 53 then go to IR, so guys like Jones, Breida on one year deals maybe cut and signed in order to keep these guys safe.

[BigAl2526]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

But you can’t IR him until we make the cuts to get to 53 right? We had to cut roberts and Marlowe last year and sign them back to get mongo on IR. 

In the last few seasons, you could only designate a player to return from IR to the 53 man roster if he was IRed after the 53 man roster was reached.  I don't know what the rules are this year, but obviously there are changes that have been made.

[GoBills!]

2 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

In the last few seasons, you could only designate a player to return from IR to the 53 man roster if he was IRed after the 53 man roster was reached.  I don't know what the rules are this year, but obviously there are changes that have been made.

Here is where I got this years rules from. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/10/nfl-will-retain-modified-ir-rules-allowing-unlimited-players-to-return/

[Rc2catch]

3 minutes ago, GoBills! said:

Yes they have to make the 53 then go to IR, so guys like Jones, Breida on one year deals maybe cut and signed in order to keep these guys safe.

Ok I thought that’s what you were going for in the OP. I just didn’t understand when I read it. 
So they just need a couple volunteers they can trust to cut and come back like Marlowe and roberts last year. I get what you meant now. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Can a guy come back if he goes on IR in the preseason?   

[Ya Digg?]

I don’t think the Bills need to be too concerned about Hodgins…he isa 6th round pick from last year, didn’t play, and hasn’t been exactly tearing it up this preseason. I feel they could get him onto the practice squad without too much trouble 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Ya Digg?

[BigAl2526]

1 minute ago, GoBills! said:

Here is where I got this years rules from. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/10/nfl-will-retain-modified-ir-rules-allowing-unlimited-players-to-return/

This is the thorn on the rose.  "Only players on the 53-player roster after Sept. 1 are eligible to be designated for return from IR or the non-football injury list."  If The Bills can justify putting Doyle on IR, they can do it any time, I don't think they'd worry much about trying to bring him back this season.  Sweeney would be pouched if the Bills cut him to try and get him on a return eligible IR.  They may or may not be able to sneak Hodgins and Stevenson on to such a return eligible IR.

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

After today that player might be Stevenson

 

The TD return may have ruined that dream. Everybody loves a frightening returner and a speed WR. 

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Can a guy come back if he goes on IR in the preseason?   

No I don’t think so. Otherwise everyone would IR tons of players and wouldn’t have to make cuts. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

45 minutes ago, GoBills! said:

With the new rules of only having to miss 3 games, what guys do you think we are able to stash on IR? I know they have to make the 53 man roster, but cutting and signing is something we done in the past. 

 

Sweeney - 6 ft 5 250 lbs, 3 years of back luck but I think he is a good IR stash if his foot injury is going to be multiple weeks. 

Issah Hodgins - Right now he is on the outside looking in. I think he has NFL talent but we are just too loaded this year. If not IR I don't know if he makes it to practice squad.

Stevenson - I loved what I saw speed, and vision wise on the return today and his play last week. I think he is a gamer and will be our guy next year if he isn't this year.

 

New rules - 

An unlimited number of players can return from a team’s injured reserve list, and they are eligible after missing a minimum of only three games.

After three weeks, the player becomes eligible to return to practice. Once he returns to practice, the team has 21 days to place him back on the active roster.

Previously, a team had only two IR-return designations it could use in a season and a player was required to miss a minimum of eight weeks.

Only players on the 53-player roster after Sept. 1 are eligible to be designated for return from IR or the non-football injury list.

 

 

 

I think a guy like Hodgins may end up on IR before making the final 53 as with the WR core the team has, really not a place for him.

 

Based on last weeks catch and this weeks PR, don't think they can risk cutting Stevenson, so think he makes the 53 as the 6th WR.   For that matter if a WR were to get hurt, maybe they just go with 5 for awhile then too or likely can find a FA as good as Hodgins to become the 6th WR.

 

I think the same with Doyle.  Doubt they want to risk cutting him, but can't see two rookie OT's being the teams only backups there.   Another name too is Hamlin.

 

To me though, these are all guys you just put on IR before final 53 and say see you next year!  Team has enough depth without them.

 

 

32 minutes ago, 17islongenough said:

What players are eligible to be cut and not be subject to waivers?

 

I believe if you're in the league 4 or more years not subject to waivers.  You become a FA once cut.

 

 

5 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Can a guy come back if he goes on IR in the preseason?   

 

No don't believe so.

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, BubbaT said:

Have to keep them on the roster at cutdown day or lose them for the whole year. Last year Been had side deals with vets he cut and brought back since (I think) they were not subject to waiver claims and were total free agents. They came back and the retained younger players headed to IR

This.. 

There was two players we wanted to IR, Feliciano and someone else. We wanted them available to come back from IR. 
We cut Marlowe and  Andre roberts with handshake deals and brought them back once we put our guys on IR. We were all shocked we cut them at final cuts. 

[Solomon Grundy]

I'm liking Lenoir. Wanna see him returning punts/kickoffs next game. 

33 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

This.. 

There was two players we wanted to IR, Feliciano and someone else. We wanted them available to come back from IR. 
We cut Marlowe and  Andre roberts with handshake deals and brought them back once we put our guys on IR. We were all shocked we cut them at final cuts. 

Bills may be watching to see if Roberts become available if 19 don't stop with the muffing

[Rico]

Phillips. Either IR or trade.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

The TD return may have ruined that dream. Everybody loves a frightening returner and a speed WR. 

I agree. With Isaiah's fumble and Stevenson's big return, I don't think we have the luxury to IR him for 3 weeks. Put Doyle & Hodgins on the PS. 

[JaBu]

30 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm liking Lenoir. Wanna see him returning punts/kickoffs next game. 

 

I don’t think he has the speed for the return game. He has run a 4.67 and a 4.63. That is likely why they haven’t tried him there. 

[Kwai San]

45 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm liking Lenoir. Wanna see him returning punts/kickoffs next game. 

Bills may be watching to see if Roberts become available if 19 don't stop with the muffing

 

THAT was NOT pretty.....kinda interesting how INVOLVED he was in the next series of offensive plays......first 2-3 plays went his way......kinda trying to break his thought of the muff outa his head......weird.  Not sure how much I want him manning the punt return....specially after watching Stevenson.......

[Kelly the Dog]

There are certain guys, like Taiwan Jones if they want to keep him, or Breida if they want to keep him, they can say to we want you on our 53 but we need to keep Stevenson or Kumerow or whomever, and we promise we will sign you right back. 
 

They may not want to do that if they can be signed to another teams 53 (which I think guarantees their contract), but if they like their standing and team, which Breida seems to, they could easily agree. 

[That's No Moon]

4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm liking Lenoir. Wanna see him returning punts/kickoffs next game. 

Bills may be watching to see if Roberts become available if 19 don't stop with the muffing

We do remember that Roberts fumbled 3 times last year as well right?  One was on a play very similar to the one McKenzie muffed today.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Doyle should injure himself because there is no way he makes the final 53. That's the only way he makes the team. 

[PromoTheRobot]

The Bills are so loaded with talent other teams are lining up for our scraps like dogs at a butcher shop. It's gonna suck seeing one of our cuts do well for other teams. Hopefully not the stinking Patriots.

Edited August 22, 2021 by PromoTheRobot

[ColoradoBills]

12 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'm liking Lenoir. Wanna see him returning punts/kickoffs next game. 

Bills may be watching to see if Roberts become available if 19 don't stop with the muffing

 

Unfortunately that will probably not happen.  Roberts signed a 2 year deal with a decent amount of guaranteed money with the Texans.

He is not getting cut.  It's a pretty good contract for a 33 year old PR guy and is why Beane probably let him walk.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/andre-roberts-6596/

[GoBills!]

13 hours ago, Rico said:

Phillips. Either IR or trade.

He will probably start the year on IR. Once again he looked good then got hurt, this may be his last dance here though.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I thought about this immediately when Zimmer got injured yesterday.  He DID stay in the game, but I still wouldn’t rule it out. 

[Matt_In_NH]

It is one thing to just stash a guy for next year by putting them on IR before the 53 is settled.  But not having the option to bring them in this year kind of sucks.   An alternative is to make an initial 53 with a mix of guys you think are most likely to get claimed even if they have injuries, then putting a guy on IR and signing someone back (say a LB) that is needed but not as likely to get claimed.  How soon after you make the 53 can you put someone on IR?

 

Stevenson is a guy that comes to mind, supposedly in boot after yesterday's game.  Would like to keep him but also would like the option to bring him onto the roster if something goes bad with McKenzie.

6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Doyle should injure himself because there is no way he makes the final 53. That's the only way he makes the team. 

Maybe he would want to get on a different team.  There are three tackles in from of him on this roster I find it hard to think he would ever surpass in the next 3 years unless injuries occur.

[Victory Formation]

I was a fan of Sweeney coming out, but it’s time to move on. We can do better.

[GoBills!]

4 hours ago, mattynh said:

It is one thing to just stash a guy for next year by putting them on IR before the 53 is settled.  But not having the option to bring them in this year kind of sucks.   An alternative is to make an initial 53 with a mix of guys you think are most likely to get claimed even if they have injuries, then putting a guy on IR and signing someone back (say a LB) that is needed but not as likely to get claimed.  How soon after you make the 53 can you put someone on IR?

 

Stevenson is a guy that comes to mind, supposedly in boot after yesterday's game.  Would like to keep him but also would like the option to bring him onto the roster if something goes bad with McKenzie.

Maybe he would want to get on a different team.  There are three tackles in from of him on this roster I find it hard to think he would ever surpass in the next 3 years unless injuries occur.

I don't think Stevenson makes its through waivers we need to keep him or watch him play elsewhere. You don't get many guys returning punts and coming in clutch int he 4th quarter with his speed. 

[GoBills!]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

I was a fan of Sweeney coming out, but it’s time to move on. We can do better.

Is he practice squad eligible ? He may make it with his limited history but his size is appealing to teams.

[IgotBILLStopay]

Is there a limit on the number of players we can put on IR? Obviously the strategy is to put a bunch of players on the 53, then move to IR to make way for the true 53. Shd be the strategy to preserve our depth in the trenches.  Zimmer, Phillips, Doyle are the top candidates for this strategy. Maybe do it with a couple of LBs too.

Edited August 22, 2021 by IgotBILLStopay

[GoBills!]

Looks like duke williams may make the stash list! Which means more threads about Duke the hidden gem.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 8/22/2021 at 3:04 AM, That's No Moon said:

We do remember that Roberts fumbled 3 times last year as well right?  One was on a play very similar to the one McKenzie muffed today.

 

He also booted that ball in the titans game that set the tone for screw ups.

[Simon Says]

On 8/21/2021 at 8:47 PM, MWK said:

Doyle is a prime candidate. Doesn’t look ready to play and got an injury today. We could look to sign another tackle instead of him (Hopefully not just keeping Bobby Hart). Could see Stevenson or Hodgins too, maybe a guy like Wildgoose too if they are worried he could get claimed.

I never wanted TWO rookie tackles on the 53. Brown looks like he can play. Bates and Ford can also play tackle if needed.