Around the League Preseason Games Thread

[DJB]

Carolina and Indy on right now. 

 

I'm scouting future Bills. 

[LeGOATski]

10 minutes ago, DJB said:

Carolina and Indy on right now. 

 

I'm scouting future Bills. 

Is it time to give Jerry Hughes back to the Colts?

 

I kid, I kid....

[Special K]

25 minutes ago, DJB said:

Carolina and Indy on right now. 

 

I'm scouting future Bills. 

 

My man Tommy Tremble looking good today.....just caught a TD pass for Carolina.....would have loved to see him in a Bills uniform.

[Solomon Grundy]

57 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Eason doesn't look bad so far. I'm not saying he's the next great thing but he's playing just as well as any of the top QBs did.

I like PJ Walker

18 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

My man Tommy Tremble looking good today.....just caught a TD pass for Carolina.....would have loved to see him in a Bills uniform.

Carolina had a nice draft with Tremble, Chuba, Terrance Marshall 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea, we’ll see. It’s not that he’s bad or even average at this point in his career. He’s solid but this is a big year for him to take another step …Every other position is a position of strength for them…. And I don’t think he even needs to be a Mahomes or Allen for them to be AFC champs. Their roster is that good, IMO.

I agree.  And that’s why I’d trade him rather than pay him 40M plus.  Partly due to his contract, they won’t be able to keep this level of talent up.  And once his contract kicks in, they’ll be losing talent by the boatloads.  
 

Next years free agents: 
Wyatt Teller, Clowney, Chris Hubbard, Tak McKinley, Njoku, malik Jackson, Andrew Billings, Anthony Walker, Ronnie Harrison, rashard Higgin,  MJ Stewart.

 

2024 FA- baker, Landry, bitonio, Conklin, tretter, Denzel ward, Kareem hunt, Troy hill, greedy Williams, Mack Wilson, sheldrick redwine. Dione takitaki.

 

Other than Teller, this years FAs are mostly top of the line depth.  The 24 class includes several of their top starters.   I hope they extend Baker long term @40M per but I think this could be another Kirk cousins type situation where the team knows he’s a better QB than what they can likely acquire in the offseason, but not good enough to commit 100m gtd.  They have a nice 2 year window set up, but the window might be too expensive to keep open for long.  We don’t have that problem…..our QB is worth 50m+ per year and can carry a team to the super bowl. 

 

 

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

During the Jets & Giants game the coaches each had 4th downs around the 40 yard line.  Saleh went for it & even though they didn't make it he did the right thing considering it was preseason.  Judge punted.  I know it might be an overreaction, but at that point I wrote Judge off as a head coach.  Who punts in preseason on 4th & short inside the other team's territory in pre season? I understand why the Jets did at the end because they were 4th & long and protecting the lead, but not early in the game where seeing your offense try to get a 1st down is more important than seeing what your punter can do.  If you have no guts in preseason, you're too conservative to be a head coach in the NFL.  The day the Giants fire Judge, in a year, two or 3, the reason was evident on 8/14/21 that he wasn't going to make it as the long term answer.  

[YoloinOhio]

This is a taunting penalty now??

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is a taunting penalty now??

 

 

 

Yep - because he did the first move right at a Panther.

 

Stupid, but they decided that actions directed at opposing players was going to get called and they will be using the preseason to enforce.

 

My guess is by late September- that would go uncalled, but for the next month - including weeks 1+2 of the regular season - any taunting calls will not surprise me.

 

I got worried in our game with some of the ball spinning from the WRs - if it occurs in the general direction of the opposing team - they could call it.

 

Insane for little acts, but they are trying to lessen middle of the field actions as they allow more end zone celebrations in the last few years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[DrW]

19 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yep - because he did the first move right at a Jag.

 

 

 

 

I know, all these big cats can be confusing, but a Jaguar is not the same as a Panther.

[Rochesterfan]

18 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

I know, all these big cats can be confusing, but a Jaguar is not the same as a Panther.

 

Sorry never seen a player on the Panthers before - must be a new team - maybe we can watch for some of their players to sign.

 

 

😂

Edited August 15, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[snowbelt_subie]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

I agree.  And that’s why I’d trade him rather than pay him 40M plus.  Partly due to his contract, they won’t be able to keep this level of talent up.  And once his contract kicks in, they’ll be losing talent by the boatloads.  
 

Next years free agents: 
Wyatt Teller, Clowney, Chris Hubbard, Tak McKinley, Njoku, malik Jackson, Andrew Billings, Anthony Walker, Ronnie Harrison, rashard Higgin,  MJ Stewart.

 

2024 FA- baker, Landry, bitonio, Conklin, tretter, Denzel ward, Kareem hunt, Troy hill, greedy Williams, Mack Wilson, sheldrick redwine. Dione takitaki.

 

Other than Teller, this years FAs are mostly top of the line depth.  The 24 class includes several of their top starters.   I hope they extend Baker long term @40M per but I think this could be another Kirk cousins type situation where the team knows he’s a better QB than what they can likely acquire in the offseason, but not good enough to commit 100m gtd.  They have a nice 2 year window set up, but the window might be too expensive to keep open for long.  We don’t have that problem…..our QB is worth 50m+ per year and can carry a team to the super bowl. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats not how it works if you have a franchise QB you pay market value not everyone is aaron rodgers or mahomes but most get market value at the time.  sign your qb Draft well and sign veterans on 1 year deals and may the best team win.

 

the way the browns have been drafting that is all that matters really to keep a stacked team.

 

 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is a taunting penalty now??

 

 

Doesn't look like it to me, but we don't know what words were said. It's usually called when refs hear specific derogatory remarks, I think.

 

Like, remember when Diggs taunted the Pats CB on his way to a TD last year? He was clearly looking back at him and holding the ball out as he went into the ez. I was really word that would get called, but it didn't. 

 

I think if you action the ball towards a player or get really insulting with your words, then they throw it every time.

[billsherd]

I heard Wilson looked really good. Need to catch a re-run of it on NFL network.

[wppete]

When Chicago playing? Justin Field has bust written all over him. He’s this years Josh Rosen.

[NewEra]

59 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

 

thats not how it works if you have a franchise QB you pay market value not everyone is aaron rodgers or mahomes but most get market value at the time.  sign your qb Draft well and sign veterans on 1 year deals and may the best team win.

 

the way the browns have been drafting that is all that matters really to keep a stacked team.

 

 

Yeah, and the teams that pay their non elite QBs like they are elite usually end up without a Lombardi.  If they don’t get a SB win within 2 years and then they sign Baker long term i’d bet that they won’t win one.  Time will tell

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, wppete said:

When Chicago playing? Justin Field has bust written all over him. He’s this years Josh Rosen.

 

They played yesterday and Fields went something like 15/20 for 150 with 2 TDs and no turnovers.

[Beast]

Yeah, that taunting penalty is crap.

 

Football was never meant to be a gentleman’s game. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

My view on taunting is it should be a 5-yard “walk-back” penalty. Don’t lose a down or the play or anything. A 15-yarder is brutal. 

[Simon]

16 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

My view on taunting is it should be a 5-yard “walk-back” penalty. Don’t lose a down or the play or anything. A 15-yarder is brutal. 

 

How about an ejection with no associated penalty? 

That way the whole team isn't hurt by one self-important jackass.

[snowbelt_subie]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, and the teams that pay their non elite QBs like they are elite usually end up without a Lombardi.  If they don’t get a SB win within 2 years and then they sign Baker long term i’d bet that they won’t win one.  Time will tell

 

the last 10 years 3 Qbs i would call elite have won super bowls  mahomes ,brady ,russ.  meanwhile non elite qbs eli manning, payton mannings corpse, joe flacco ,  wentz/ foles have won superbowls.  just in the last 5 years  goff, jimmy G and matt ryan have made it to the super bowl i think baker is better than those 3.

 

the point is it is a team sport you can pay your elite QB like Aaron rodgers or drew brees and build a team around them or you can pay your non elite franchise QB like Eli manning and build a team around them.  

 

Whoever builds the better team will have more success the qb matters to a point.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

the last 10 years 3 Qbs i would call elite have won super bowls  mahomes ,brady ,russ.  meanwhile non elite qbs eli manning, payton mannings corpse, joe flacco ,  wentz/ foles have won superbowls.  just in the last 5 years  goff, jimmy G and matt ryan have made it to the super bowl i think baker is better than those 3.

 

the point is it is a team sport you can pay your elite QB like Aaron rodgers or drew brees and build a team around them or you can pay your non elite franchise QB like Eli manning and build a team around them.  

 

Whoever builds the better team will have more success the qb matters to a point.

 

Eli Manning is a borderline HOF QB with two SB wins in which he played great.  Peyton is a HOF QB.  Flacco played that postseason out of his mind.  Only the Philly win falls outside of the “great QBs win SBs” argument — and Brady still almost won it.

 

QB is everything in the NFL.  There are only a handful of stories of great teams with average QB play who won championships.

 

[Rochesterfan]

11 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Doesn't look like it to me, but we don't know what words were said. It's usually called when refs hear specific derogatory remarks, I think.

 

Like, remember when Diggs taunted the Pats CB on his way to a TD last year? He was clearly looking back at him and holding the ball out as he went into the ez. I was really word that would get called, but it didn't. 

 

I think if you action the ball towards a player or get really insulting with your words, then they throw it every time.

 

That was true in the past, but the NFL put the dreaded “Point of Emphasis” on taunting this off-season to reduce the amount of actions - just like that - directed at other teams players.

 

They wanted any action that appeared directed at an opposing player - things like flexing, spiking a ball, spinning the ball, yelling, pounding the chest, etc. if done in the direction of an opposing player that could be interpreted as potentially derogatory or inflammatory in nature to be called.  Players can celebrate, but they wanted them to do it away from the defenders.

 

It is one of those calls that they go overboard in preseason - make a few calls week 1-3 or 4 and then let it slide back as long as the players don’t get to over the top.

[snowbelt_subie]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Eli Manning is a borderline HOF QB with two SB wins in which he played great.  Peyton is a HOF QB.  Flacco played that postseason out of his mind.  Only the Philly win falls outside of the “great QBs win SBs” argument — and Brady still almost won it.

 

QB is everything in the NFL.  There are only a handful of stories of great teams with average QB play who won championships.

 

 

ok so now average Qbs as long as they play good in the playoffs its ok got it.   Eli manning played 15 years and only had 30+ tds 3 times meanwhile he has had years when he has thrown 20, 25,27 Int's in a season with a career 60% completion percentage. 

 

Sorry payton manning played horrible in 2015 he had 54% completion percentage averaging 179 yds per game  and had 2TD and 1 interception combined in 3 games lol

[eball]

8 minutes ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

ok so now average Qbs as long as they play good in the playoffs its ok got it.   Eli manning played 15 years and only had 30+ tds 3 times meanwhile he has had years when he has thrown 20, 25,27 Int's in a season with a career 60% completion percentage. 

 

Sorry payton manning played horrible in 2015 he had 54% completion percentage averaging 179 yds per game  and had 2TD and 1 interception combined in 3 games lol

 

Yes, I’m glad you see the light.  Lots of teams make the playoffs; not all have great QBs.  The teams who win the SB typically get great QB play during the playoffs.  In Peyton’s case, the Broncos had a tremendous defense but there is no doubt Peyton’s leadership as a HOF QB meant something.

 

I haven’t scoured this thread but I’m guessing you’re a Browns fan since an earlier post mentioned Baker.  I guess you’re saying he doesn’t need to be great for the Browns to win, and I’d agree with that proposition during the regular season because the Browns have a very good roster.  In the playoffs, however, your QB needs to be better than average.

 

[snowbelt_subie]

13 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Yes, I’m glad you see the light.  Lots of teams make the playoffs; not all have great QBs.  The teams who win the SB typically get great QB play during the playoffs.  In Peyton’s case, the Broncos had a tremendous defense but there is no doubt Peyton’s leadership as a HOF QB meant something.

 

I haven’t scoured this thread but I’m guessing you’re a Browns fan since an earlier post mentioned Baker.  I guess you’re saying he doesn’t need to be great for the Browns to win, and I’d agree with that proposition during the regular season because the Browns have a very good roster.  In the playoffs, however, your QB needs to be better than average.

 

 

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, and the teams that pay their non elite QBs like they are elite usually end up without a Lombardi.  If they don’t get a SB win within 2 years and then they sign Baker long term i’d bet that they won’t win one.  Time will tell

 

 

 

yes i am a browns fan that became a bills fan for the short time when the browns left.  i root for both teams now unless they play each other.

 

well that brings me back to how this all got started with NewEra  i guess it doesnt matter if they sign baker if he plays well in the playoffs ?

 

see below playoff stat lines   😁

 

 

Allen 60.8%  5TD 1int 87.4 rating

 

Lamar 55.88 %  3TD 5 INT   68.3 rating

 

Baker 61.97% 4TD   1INT   94.0 Rating

 

 

[Scott7975]

9 hours ago, Simon said:

 

How about an ejection with no associated penalty? 

That way the whole team isn't hurt by one self-important jackass.

 

What if its the QB?  Josh got a taunting penalty last year for a ball spin.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, snowbelt_subie said:

 

 

 

 

yes i am a browns fan that became a bills fan for the short time when the browns left.  i root for both teams now unless they play each other.

 

well that brings me back to how this all got started with NewEra  i guess it doesnt matter if they sign baker if he plays well in the playoffs ?

 

see below playoff stat lines   😁

 

 

Allen 60.8%  5TD 1int 87.4 rating

 

Lamar 55.88 %  3TD 5 INT   68.3 rating

 

Baker 61.97% 4TD   1INT   94.0 Rating

 

 

We said our peace.  There’s not much left to discuss.  Let’s wait and see how many Super Bowls Baker wins while he counts for 40M+ on the cap 

[snowbelt_subie]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We said our peace.  There’s not much left to discuss.  Let’s wait and see how many Super Bowls Baker wins while he counts for 40M+ on the cap 

 

Can the browns and bills just win 1 superbowl a piece that would be great.

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

What if its the QB?  Josh got a taunting penalty last year for a ball spin.

Bet he wouldn't do it a second time ; - )

[snowbelt_subie]

anyone that wants to watch a live practice between the browns and giants it will be broadcast on the browns youtube channel at 3:30.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bangarang]

Huge injury for the Jets. Lawson has been having an excellent camp based on everything I’ve read.

[LeGOATski]

I'm interested to see more Jalen Hurts tonight. Will he be worth drafting in fantasy football...

[LeGOATski]

KC vs Arizona on NFLN right now... Chiefs looks smooth, as always. Isaiah Simmons on the Cards is a stud.

[popcornpam]

KC Arizona on  ESPN

[LeGOATski]

Kyle Murray should throw the ball away and try to draw a roughing the passer call....

[JESSEFEFFER]

Bengals center gains 1/2 yard every snap.

[Warcodered]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

Kyle Murray should throw the ball away and try to draw a roughing the passer call....

They've had 3 possessions and have gone backwards. 

[LeGOATski]

Just now, Warcodered said:

They've had 3 possessions and have gone backwards. 

Yeah, that's not good, even if it is preseason.

[Steptide]

These games are filled with field goals