Non-biased, well thought out comparison of Bills & Chiefs from KC fans perspective.

[CorkScrewHill]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You concluded that this is a "non-biased" and "well thought out" conclusion?

 

You're not serious...

It was a 20 minute segment .. in general I thought they presented interesting and well thought out points. I also thought that they were in general fair in their assessments (maybe I am jaded by how unbiased things can get here).  Do I personally think that the difference between Josh and Mahommes was the difference last year .. no, but many people could make an argument that Josh was not as strong as he had been throughout the year.  So to answer your question yes I am serious.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

The other question is why does it bother you so much that some people overlook it? 
 

Does it really upset you that some Bills fans don’t think the chiefs are the greatest team to ever strap up? 
 

The Bucs played an outstanding game and the chiefs weren’t allowed to hold their receivers all game. Believe it or not they really were getting away with huge potentially game changing penalties all year long. 

The other question is why does it bother you so much that people get upset when people overlook the obvious fact that the Chiefs OL was completely decimated and outmatched, playing backups in positions that they don’t normally play while playing against one of the most talented defenses in the league? 
 

yes, they were getting away with penalties all season……because the referees were calling it that way all season….league wide. Not just for KC.  The refs swallowed their whistles and it made for a great season of football.  The best officiated season I can remember in the last 20+ years.  Then, in the SB, vs Brady, the refs said that they couldn’t play that way anymore…..regardless of the fact that they allowed them to “get away” with it all year.  I hate KC, but the refs called a terrible SB imo.  Consistency vs the key.  They weren’t consistent with the game that they called all year.  Some of the penalties they called at the end of the 1st qtr into the 2nd qtr turned the tide of the game.  Starting with the mathieu interception negated by a ward defensive holding, led to a TD.  After watching the breeland PI on evans 100+ times, I feel it was clearly incidental contact. Their feet got tangled up.  I don’t see it any other way.  A 21-6 halftime lead thanks to 2 awful (imo) penalties.  

The chiefs JV OL vs TB beast front 4 + refs + TB out coaching KC = ball game imo. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

Please, they had the same O-line (except for Fisher) they had in the AFC Championship game

 

Except that's not true.  They didn't just substitute a backup swing tackle for Fisher.  They moved their RT to LT, their LG to RT, and substituted a backup player at LG.  So 3 / 5 of the line playing different positions.

 

It makes a difference.

 

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except that's not true.  They didn't just substitute a backup swing tackle for Fisher.  They moved their RT to LT, their LG to RT, and substituted a backup player at LG.  So 3 / 5 of the line playing different positions.

 

It makes a difference.

 

Absolutely.  3 guys playing out of position.  3 backups…..playing out of position vs a beastly DL

[billsfan89]

7 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Not sure I understand this.  The Chefs didn’t seem to have a huge issue with it last season and the Bills didn’t add any firepower of note.  Sanders for Brown, a late round rookie WR and a back up TE  Someone might develop or they might be healthier, but neither is guaranteed.  

Hoping the Bills can add Ertz, if healthy or even at 80% of what he was he offers that extra punch this offense needs.

[PatsFanNH]

7 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Not sure I understand this.  The Chefs didn’t seem to have a huge issue with it last season and the Bills didn’t add any firepower of note.  Sanders for Brown, a late round rookie WR and a back up TE  Someone might develop or they might be healthier, but neither is guaranteed.  

So you don’t expect growth with Allen and your WR core or any improvement in your running game? 

[BarleyNY]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

So you don’t expect growth with Allen and your WR core or any improvement in your running game? 

Most fans will assume that the only direction for their team and individual players to go is up.  But for some reason that’s not something they assume for the other 31 teams and their players.  Ultimately wins and losses is a net zero game across the league.

 

Nearly the same WR, TE and RB corps and the same OL and not really anyone I see taking a big step forward.  Certainly no big additions with high expectations.  Maybe a depth WR could emerge and become a quality starter, but I’m not banking on that.  So, no, I do not see any reason to expect improvement in the receiving or running games.  Do I hope for that and for even better results than last season?  Sure.  But that’s my heart - not my brain - talking.

 

Plus there’s one more factor - overall the Bills were pretty lucky last season from a health standpoint.  Again, I hope for the best this season, but I know what the odds are. 

[Mat68]

On 6/25/2021 at 10:51 AM, CorkScrewHill said:

 

Only the first 20 minutes are related to KC vs Buffalo

 

Feel Buffalo is the biggest threat to KC. Think the Bills coaching in particular is strong though out-coached in the two games last year. Main gap between the two organizations from their perspective is Mahommes vs Allen though the love Allen and think his continued growth could further level the playing field.

 

If they weren't in the AFC they would love to root for the Bills .. they love the team.

The differance is Kelce.  He slaughters man to man and finds the hole in the zone.  Buffalo needs to play zone and get pressure with 4.  Rousseau and Basham are here for that reason.

 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

It was a 20 minute segment .. in general I thought they presented interesting and well thought out points. I also thought that they were in general fair in their assessments (maybe I am jaded by how unbiased things can get here).  Do I personally think that the difference between Josh and Mahommes was the difference last year .. no, but many people could make an argument that Josh was not as strong as he had been throughout the year.  So to answer your question yes I am serious.

If they conclude that the biggest gap between these 2 teams is the QB,  their analysis has zero credibility, except as a biased screed.

[transient]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What? No. They had to shuffle the entire deck…. What game were you watching? 
 

And I agree with your guess… if the Chiefs were healthy upfront they win the game. They weren’t, and it was the difference in the game. It might’ve been the worst offensive line performance in the history of the SB.

Ummm, Steve Grogan is on the line and would like to discuss his OL’s performance against the ‘85 Bears. 

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, transient said:

Ummm, Steve Grogan is on the line and would like to discuss his OL’s performance against the ‘85 Bears. 

Funny!  But that would be Tony “The Turtle” Eason whose career IMO was destroyed by that game! What’s sad is the Pats had a HOFer in Hannah playing on the line that game. 

[transient]

13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Funny!  But that would be Tony “The Turtle” Eason whose career IMO was destroyed by that game! What’s sad is the Pats had a HOFer in Hannah playing on the line that game. 

I just remember thinking there was a good chance that Grogan’s head would be ripped from his giraffe neck if he wasn’t careful. 

 

[Nihilarian]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:34 AM, sven233 said:

Honestly, I thought the biggest gap last season between the Bills and Chiefs had little to do with the players and more with the coaching.  Frasier and McDermott had pretty much the exact opposite game plan at stopping the Chiefs than I would have gone in with. 

 

I was fully expecting bracket coverage on Kelce and Hill forcing the Chiefs to find someone else to beat them but instead they tried playing their traditional zone man scheme that they run a lot of the time and that is not the way you are going to beat that team.  It won't work because Mahomes is too goof off script and those guys will eventually find holes in the coverage and beat you for big plays.  Happened the entire game and they never adjusted. 

 

I'm not saying what I was wanting to do would have worked, but it should have been tried since after the first couple of possessions it was obvious their scheme was not going to work.  Through this poor defensive scheme, on top of a very lackluster offensive scheme that looked nothing like the offensive approach the team had used for most of the season, I truly believe that coaching was the biggest difference, not the players.

While I agree that there is a huge differential in coaching, I disagree on some points. 

 

Last season in that first game the Bills tried to play off of the KC receivers and the Chiefs ran the ball down the Bills throats. RB Hilaire, 26 carries for 161 yards. The Bills held their main WR Tyreek Hill to 3 catches for 20 yards. TE Kelce had 5 catches for 65 yards and 2 TDs. Loss 26-17.

 

In the AFC Championship game is was very different as the Chiefs played their very best game in the previous two months... the Bills played their worst. 

 

The Bills settled for four FGs because they couldn't punch it into the end zone on those drives. 12 points vs 28. 

 

Both defenses were middle of the pack and KC really turned it on against the Bills by sacking Allen 4x and in his face for most of the game. KC 10 QB hits vs only 3 on Mahomes. 

 

There was also another factor in that the Chiefs DBs were holding like crazy. Even the announcer Tony Romo stated that the Chiefs were utilizing a "sticky defense" against Buffalo. Something they didn't get away with against the Bucs in the SB.  Not to mention that all the Bills receivers were playing with injuries. I also wonder if the KC O line was also getting away with holding as Hughes only had one sack and one QB hit. 

 

Also, for whatever reason the Buffalo offense that had been destroying opposing defenses suddenly fell on its face in the playoffs.

 

The last three regular season games the Buffalo offense scored 48-19 against Denver. 38-9 against New England. 56-26 against Miami.

Then in the playoffs, 27-24 against the Colts, 17-3 against the Ravens while the offense only scored 10 points in this game. Against KC 24-38. 

 

That #2 overall Buffalo offense didn't fare so well in the playoffs in 2020. I gotta wonder if those HCing interviews for other teams interfered with Bills OCs game planning. Not working the run game much...forcing the QB to carry the team. Yeah, coaching...Andy Reid. JMO

[Passepartout]

Both fans are the best. As well as really they match up evenly. So expect to see them in a playoff game. Maybe the AFC Title Game!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

If they conclude that the biggest gap between these 2 teams is the QB,  their analysis has zero credibility, except as a biased screed.

 

I agree.

 

WAIT!  What just happened?

[just1hugheser]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:26 AM, H2o said:

Ref: "I told you the check cleared this morning and we weren't going to call PI, or Defensive Holding, and let your guys get away with a few cheap shots"

 

Dude ya, F'ing Romo's 'Sticky Coverage' the only sort of solace was that the exact same thing happened to them when the played Brady in the Super Bowl.

 

Suprise NFL wanted Mahomes/Reid/KC over Allen/McDermott/Buffalo and then they wanted Brady to get it especially at home in his first season away from NE.  It's revolting especially since if they hadnt done anything the results probably would have been the same but even more exciting.

[billsfan1959]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What? No. They had to shuffle the entire deck…. What game were you watching? 
 

And I agree with your guess… if the Chiefs were healthy upfront they win the game. They weren’t, and it was the difference in the game. It might’ve been the worst offensive line performance in the history of the SB.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you that it was a contributing factor in the game. However, playing different positions or not, they still had 4 of their five starting linemen on the field. Not ideal, I agree, but also the nature of todays NFL. That was the worst offensive performance I had seen from the chiefs in a long time. You certainly can argue that it was a direct result of the line play, and you may be right. IMO, that alone does not account for vast difference in performances against the same team from Week 12 to the SB. We can agree to disagree 

[Chandler#81]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:05 AM, machine gun kelly said:

Ok, read the title. Non biased, and from a KC fan perspective?

 

im out.

Yep.

 

I’ve shirked my Mod duties on this thread til now based entirely on this narrative. My excuse being these types of threads don’t typically devolve into mud slinging/politics/race/vaccination, etc., and this indeed holds true to form. Granted, I’m slow (old?) to catch on to this new media venue where ‘nobodies’ chime in from their Mom’s basement and somehow find a nitch  following. 

 

Finally ventured in with my Sunday a.m. coffee and it’s exactly as I expected. Given the egregious alternatives lately, I’m all about fluff pieces -just NOT from other teams. If Sullivan can’t get a real job, why do these neighborhood junkies think they can.

 

Ill temper this salty entry with a thought; perhaps we (TSW) should create one..🤔 Hell, everyone else is..

How ‘bout a 3-Man team featuring @BADOLBILZ, @Mr. WEO & @ScottLaw??? Despite their ‘cantankeous’ nature, they ARE Bills fans..

 

Gold. Pure GOLD!😉😂 

[John from Riverside]

On 6/25/2021 at 4:01 PM, ScottLaw said:

The Chiefs punted once all game…. And dominated the Bills in both match ups last season…. The refs didn’t help but the better team clearly won both games. 
 

Chiefs just have a more talented starting roster top to bottom…. That could change with a few players developing into elite players this year. 

Two things

If we could have ran the ball at all last year I still think that would’ve helped us in both of these games against the Chiefs

 

In the AFC championship game or wide receivers we’re all hurt and being held all game

 

I think if our office can be more balanced this year when it needs to be as in times like this we have a much better chance obviously our defense Hass to be better

[jimmy10]

“Non biased, well thought out” = they said nice things about us!

[JimBob2232]

Biggest gap IMO was speed.  They are much faster/quicker than we are.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yep.

 

I’ve shirked my Mod duties on this thread til now based entirely on this narrative. My excuse being these types of threads don’t typically devolve into mud slinging/politics/race/vaccination, etc., and this indeed holds true to form. Granted, I’m slow (old?) to catch on to this new media venue where ‘nobodies’ chime in from their Mom’s basement and somehow find a nitch  following. 

 

Finally ventured in with my Sunday a.m. coffee and it’s exactly as I expected. Given the egregious alternatives lately, I’m all about fluff pieces -just NOT from other teams. If Sullivan can’t get a real job, why do these neighborhood junkies think they can.

 

Ill temper this salty entry with a thought; perhaps we (TSW) should create one..🤔 Hell, everyone else is..

How ‘bout a 3-Man team featuring @BADOLBILZ, @Mr. WEO & @ScottLaw??? Despite their ‘cantankeous’ nature, they ARE Bills fans..

 

Gold. Pure GOLD!😉😂 

 

LOL...I work best alone--self fluffing.  But thanks!

 

But based on the OP's own description, this is a complete #threadfail

[Boxcar]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:28 AM, Cusefan66214 said:

Pat mahomes is a literal god to the people of Kansas City. He can do no wrong by them. Comparisons to any other QB are laughable and will get you assaulted if you say otherwise.

I love living in KC but I get dumped on alot for being a proud Bills fan. I get mocked all the time for wearing my Allen jersey

Man, since my experience with KC fans during the 2015 MLB playoffs, this comes as a total shock /s

 

Buffalo is kinda similar. Only two major sports teams, long history of mediocrity for both, sudden success. KC fans should be a cautionary tale so we don't get too high on our own farts.

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Yep.

 

I’ve shirked my Mod duties on this thread til now based entirely on this narrative. My excuse being these types of threads don’t typically devolve into mud slinging/politics/race/vaccination, etc., and this indeed holds true to form. Granted, I’m slow (old?) to catch on to this new media venue where ‘nobodies’ chime in from their Mom’s basement and somehow find a nitch  following. 

 

Finally ventured in with my Sunday a.m. coffee and it’s exactly as I expected. Given the egregious alternatives lately, I’m all about fluff pieces -just NOT from other teams. If Sullivan can’t get a real job, why do these neighborhood junkies think they can.

 

Ill temper this salty entry with a thought; perhaps we (TSW) should create one..🤔 Hell, everyone else is..

How ‘bout a 3-Man team featuring @BADOLBILZ, @Mr. WEO & @ScottLaw??? Despite their ‘cantankeous’ nature, they ARE Bills fans..

 

Gold. Pure GOLD!😉😂 

I’d watch those three and take bets or run a pool who is the first one to throw a paper airplane at the other, and so on..  this could be a nice side income for me Chand.

 

They are salty, but no one can question their Bills fandom, so as Jean Luke says…

 

 

[Figster]

On 6/25/2021 at 11:05 AM, Bobby Hooks said:

Not to mention Allen was 2nd in mvp voting. So… 

 

I agree, if there’s a big gap it’s Kelce vs. Knox. Not Allen vs. Mahomes. 

I think If you removed Kelce from the whole equation Mahomes and the Chiefs take a big step backwards.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

They actually ran the ball fine for most of the game. They got stuffed on 3rd and short once and overall struggled on 3rd down. 
 

Singletary was basically useless in the game, but I believe Yeldon averaged over 4 yards a carry in the game. I think the “lack of a running game” is severely overrated by many on here as a strong reason for why the offense struggled.

 

Yeldon averaged 4 yards a carry vs a defense that didn’t give a flying **** if and when we ran the the ball.  The only thing they tried to stop the entire game was the pass.  The offense struggled because our lack of a running game allowed the KC D to tee off on 17 and the WR…..not because our running game couldn’t get yards in that game.  The chiefs allowed us to run just like we allowed the chiefs to run in the first meeting.  Problem being, we could never run the ball the way KC ran the ball in the first meeting…..and we would never even try to do such a thing even though it was obvious that they were selling out to stop the pass.

 

if you don’t think that was a major problem, you need to think harder.  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeldon averaged 4 yards a carry vs a defense that didn’t give a flying **** if and when we ran the the ball.  The only thing they tried to stop the entire game was the pass.  The offense struggled because our lack of a running game allowed the KC D to tee off on 17 and the WR…..not because our running game couldn’t get yards in that game.  The chiefs allowed us to run just like we allowed the chiefs to run in the first meeting.  Problem being, we could never run the ball the way KC ran the ball in the first meeting…..and we would never even try to do such a thing even though it was obvious that they were selling out to stop the pass.

 

if you don’t think that was a major problem, you need to think harder.  

 

 

When an opponent scores on you every time they touch the ball that will take the run out of the equation regardless of how well your team runs it.

 

Ask Tennessee who basically had the same thing happen to them in the 2019 AFCCG.........got out to a 10 point lead........Chiefs hung 28 unanswered on them as their defense couldn't hang with Mahomes and his playmakers.......game ***** over.

 

It's a passing league.

 

The Patriots did manage to deflate the football against them in the first half of the 2018 AFCCG but that veteran lead team was executing at a much higher level on both sides of the ball than the Bills were capable of...........and the Chiefs stormed back on them and SHOULD have won that game.

 

It would be *nice* to improve the run game but that's not even close to the solution to beating the Chiefs.

[Figster]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeldon averaged 4 yards a carry vs a defense that didn’t give a flying **** if and when we ran the the ball.  The only thing they tried to stop the entire game was the pass.  The offense struggled because our lack of a running game allowed the KC D to tee off on 17 and the WR…..not because our running game couldn’t get yards in that game.  The chiefs allowed us to run just like we allowed the chiefs to run in the first meeting.  Problem being, we could never run the ball the way KC ran the ball in the first meeting…..and we would never even try to do such a thing even though it was obvious that they were selling out to stop the pass.

 

if you don’t think that was a major problem, you need to think harder.  

Exactly why I was praying for Najee Harris in the draft.

 

Boost the run and pass...

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When an opponent scores on you every time they touch the ball that will take the run out of the equation regardless of how well your team runs it.

 

Ask Tennessee who basically had the same thing happen to them in the 2019 AFCCG.........got out to a 10 point lead........Chiefs hung 28 unanswered on them as their defense couldn't hang with Mahomes and his playmakers.......game ***** over.

 

It's a passing league.

 

The Patriots did manage to deflate the football against them in the first half of the 2018 AFCCG but that veteran lead team was executing at a much higher level on both sides of the ball than the Bills were capable of...........and the Chiefs stormed back on them and SHOULD have won that game.

 

It would be *nice* to improve the run game but that's not even close to the solution to beating the Chiefs.

Running the ball well helps control the clock and keeps the other teams high powered O on the sidelines IMO.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

18 minutes ago, Figster said:

Exactly why I was praying for Najee Harris in the draft.

 

Boost the run and pass...

Running the ball well helps control the clock and keeps the other teams high powered O on the sidelines IMO.

 

 

 

Nobody has ever run the ball better than the Ravens the past couple seasons and they have an elite scoring offense........and they also have a great secondary to counter the Chiefs receiving threats............but they are helpless against the Chiefs.

 

And don't tell anybody........don't want to disrupt that narrative about the run game.........but the Bills ypc average was better than the SB champion, Chief-slaying, Bucs last year.

 

Primarily you gotta' be able to go blow-for-blow in the pass game with KC.   The rules of the game are skewed to favor those who can move the ball in the air.  There are a lot of other ways to win matchups but improving the run game is well down the list.   Getting out to leads running the ball doesn't deter/scare the Chiefs.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[CorkScrewHill]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

LOL...I work best alone--self fluffing.  But thanks!

 

But based on the OP's own description, this is a complete #threadfail

I love Mr. Weo .. sure he is a little too predictable… disagree, complain, say little of value, complain some more. We are in the off-season.. there isn’t much out there. If someone wants to ignore threads you have that supreme power unless someone has you at gun point forcing you to read every thread. There has been some decent interaction based on the initial thread but because you feel the need to read then disagree, complain, say very little of value and again complain .. my response should be what? Oh the all mighty, all knowing Mr. Weo didn’t like my thread .. I won’t post any more or should I just ignore your griping? Perhaps I can start any new threads with NOWEO. Life is too short for you to be this miserable all the time. Smile you will live longer and annoy others less #WeoUselessResponse

Edited June 27, 2021 by CorkScrewHill

[Figster]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Nobody has ever run the ball better than the Ravens the past couple seasons and they have an elite scoring offense........and they also have a great secondary to counter the Chiefs receiving threats............but they are helpless against the Chiefs.

 

And don't tell anybody........don't want to disrupt that narrative about the run game.........but the Bills ypc average was better than the SB champion, Chief-slaying, Bucs last year.

 

Primarily you gotta' be able to go blow-for-blow in the pass game with KC.   The rules of the game are skewed to favor those who can move the ball in the air.  There are a lot of other ways to win matchups but improving the run game is well down the list.   Getting out to leads running the ball doesn't deter/scare the Chiefs.

 

 

 

 

As was explained by another poster, become one dimensional and the opponent tees off on your one dimension.

 

 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When an opponent scores on you every time they touch the ball that will take the run out of the equation regardless of how well your team runs it.

 

Ask Tennessee who basically had the same thing happen to them in the 2019 AFCCG.........got out to a 10 point lead........Chiefs hung 28 unanswered on them as their defense couldn't hang with Mahomes and his playmakers.......game ***** over.

 

It's a passing league.

 

The Patriots did manage to deflate the football against them in the first half of the 2018 AFCCG but that veteran lead team was executing at a much higher level on both sides of the ball than the Bills were capable of...........and the Chiefs stormed back on them and SHOULD have won that game.

 

It would be *nice* to improve the run game but that's not even close to the solution to beating the Chiefs.

Sure, it’s a passing league.  It’s also a coaching league.  If your offense is so one dimensional that your opponent can sell out to stop the one aspect your successful at, there’s a chance a DC can take away of slow down your one dimension.  That’s what happened.  We moved the ball and then couldn’t punch it in.  We had some success, but not enough success to score TDs.  
 

yes, our defense couldn’t stop the KC offense.  That is the main reason we lost the game.  In order to beat a team that you can’t stop, you must score more.  It’s easier to score more when you can run and pass.  If you’re insinuating that we couldn’t run because we were getting blown out, we were actually winning the game until 9 mins left in the 2nd qtr.  We had a 6 play drive- punt, 5 play drive- punt, 3 plays- punt in the first half.  We had 2 legit drives and were given a free TD.  At no point in the first half, we’re we down so big where we had to pass and running the ball became irrelevant.  Those 3 drives that ended in punts is where we had a chance go blow to blow with them…..but we couldn’t score.  And it had nothing to do with being down so much that we had to air it out.  

 

my comment was with regards to “I think the “lack of a running game” is severely overrated by many on here as a strong reason for why the offense struggled.”  

the lack of a running game was the reason that KC could defend us the way they did.  The KC D game plan is why our offense struggled.  They go hand in hand and our lack of a running is one of the reasons our offense struggled vs KC and their game plan that sold out to stop our pass

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills barely tried to run the ball, but when they did Yeldon was picking up 4-5 yards rush…. Your right. They didn’t give a ***** because their offense was scoring at will. It forced our hand. 

 

 

Yeah…..but he was getting those yards because the KC D was selling out to stop the pass.  They gave us the run…..and we still couldn’t score.  That is a problem.  The game wasn’t out of hand in the first half.  It would’ve been closer if the O would’ve scored.  The O might have scored of the KC d wasn’t selling out to stop our one successful dimension.  Just like we sold out to stop Baltimore and their one dimensional run game….. it’s the same thing. 

[Mr. WEO]

51 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I love Mr. Weo .. sure he is a little too predictable… disagree, complain, say little of value, complain some more. We are in the off-season.. there isn’t much out there. If someone wants to ignore threads you have that supreme power unless someone has you at gun point forcing you to read every thread. There has been some decent interaction based on the initial thread but because you feel the need to read then disagree, complain, say very little of value and again complain .. my response should be what? Oh the all mighty, all knowing Mr. Weo didn’t like my thread .. I won’t post any more or should I just ignore your griping? Perhaps I can start any new threads with NOWEO. Life is too short for you to be this miserable all the time. Smile you will live longer and annoy others less #WeoUselessResponse

 

To ignore, is to deprive oneself of basic pleasures of being here.

 

My disagreement was pretty straightforward--it hardly required an "all knowing" response.  Simple fact is that you chose a thread title that was immediately proven inaccurate by your own first post.  It's ok for anyone to point that out.

 

I'm smiling still.....

[Kwai San]

On 6/25/2021 at 12:08 PM, Mark Vader said:

 

NO!

The big gap is our defensive lines.

Our O-Line was torn to shreds and Josh Allen was under constant pressure.

 

Patrick Mahomes had 5 days to get rid of the ball.

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

I stated later that Kelce is superior to Knox, and there is no doubt about it. I just have concerns elsewhere on our team, which I am happy to see them address this in the draft with the selections of Rousseau & Basham.

 

I also believe that Knox will get better. He has gotten better every year, albeit slowly.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

And every other TE in the league.....point being that Knox does not have to be Kelce good in order to be a good player for us......

 

I would settle for dependable

[WideNine]

Nice to see guys that do their homework and I do not mind if there is some bias there - I agree with most of it.

 

We were outcoached and had no answers for Kelce, and Allen is not as calm and cool in the big games (yet) as Mahomes, but the big stage was newer to Allen and he seems to be getting more and more comfortable playing on it as he continues to lead this team into more playoff/postseason appearances. So I am OK with that observation and that Allen is steadily closing the gap.

 

I think Mahomes is more comfortable in bigger games, but he also was not facing the same level of jail break pressure that Allen was either. Tampa rattled Mahomes and got to him quite a bit. No QB looks sensational when running for his life and most (if not all) will make mistakes and turn the ball over in those situations.

 

They are absolutely spot-on regarding Kelce. The Bills coaching staff needs to UP THEIR GAME when it comes how they play the better TE's in the league. I know they believe in their system, but when that system consistently gets burnt by good players at one position, they need to show that they have that growth mindset they keep talking about and adapt their strategy to better meet the challenge.

 

At least they need to mix their zone with more physical play on Kelce to disrupt his routes and timing in and out of those zones. Up to now I have mostly seen our coverage against TE's playing 2-3 yards off which is a mistake. Often I have seen them covering TE's with smaller guys and they probably should have LB's and Safeties on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Figster said:

As was explained by another poster, become one dimensional and the opponent tees off on your one dimension.

 

 

 

 

As explained by me.........the Bucs were pretty one dimensional offensively last year.    

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

The Chiefs were one-dimensional the year before.

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

So the past 2 SB champs prove that you and "another poster" are wrong.

 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They couldn’t score because they were dominated on 3rd down…. Their receivers couldn’t get open and their offensive line was manhandled, specifically Feliciano…. They need to be better running the ball but it wasn’t the reason or even a big reason they lost the game, IMO. 

Yeah.  In your opinion. 
 

If a team sells out 💯 to stop your pass and you refuse to run, than it’s a problem.  The game wasn’t a blowout in the first half. There was plenty of time to run

Edited June 28, 2021 by NewEra