Time to hate PFF again...Allen #40, Diggs #45...

[PrimeTime101]

11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. 

Yea... Most people here do not thing he will regress . Active poll says your wrong.

[Albany,n.y.]

9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The publication that put Duck Hodges in the same conversation as Josh?! Yea, ok! 

 

I remember the night game in Pittsburgh against the Duck where the Steelers were favored.  I couldn't believe it, all I could say was Josh Allen vs Duck Hodges as I raced to the casino to bet the Bills on the money line.  

[BigDingus]

13 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

 

Heres some thoughts on Allens ranking. Starts at the 3:20 mark.

 

Both of them made too much sense here. Even if you think Josh will regress in 2021, how can you say with a straight face 39 other players are better than him when he was #2 in MVP voting? lol

Hell, I think Josh will regress *STATISTICALLY* but still has room to grow even better, especially mentally. Each year he becomes a better leader, and the longer he's around, the more comfortable he'll be in the pocket. If the game continues to slow down for him, his decision making will improve even more.
 

So if this is taking into account what they'll do going forward, Allen at 40 is even dumber than only factoring in the last 3 years.

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Yea... Most people here do not thing he will regress . Active poll says your wrong.

Maybe he means most non-Bills fans? I dunno, I've heard that a lot. But most of the people I've talked to are kinda in the same boat as me.

They think it's very likely his numbers on paper will regress, but he as a player will get better. It's pretty hard to put up 40+ total TD's each year, so it's ok if he doesn't match that this season. What matters is how well he plays in those big games, stays healthy, and limits turnovers. That'll be more than enough as long as we can field a competent run defense (and maybe find a running game of our own).

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Yea... Most people here do not thing he will regress . Active poll says your wrong.

Lol people are so sensitive. Allen will likely regress. I'm sorry to break this news to you. If he has another 40+ TD year great, it just doesn't happen often. Even the greatest QB's of all time have regressed after seasons like that. Don't expect another 40+TD year. 

[without a drought]

Maybe the Bills could trade Allen and Diggs for someone good.

[dollars 2 donuts]

11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Or stone them… (insert PFF for Jehovah)

 

Now we know the scroll guy is Hap. 😇, name the other guys…

 

 

Thanks for the laugh Donuts.

 

 

 

Quotes from:

 

God Father I and II

Swingers

Tommy Boy

 

Clips from:

 

Holy Grail

Life of Brian

The Meaning of Life

 

Shall always be welcome to my eyes and ears, Guns.

[Royale with Cheese]

So Chris Simms is on PFT going through his top QB's.  He's at #4 with Watson and Allen hasn't been mentioned yet....so he's top 3.

Tune in now if you want to hear his take on Allen.

[Stank_Nasty]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So Chris Simms is on PFT going through his top QB's.  He's at #4 with Watson and Allen hasn't been mentioned yet....so he's top 3.

Tune in now if you want to hear his take on Allen.

He’s at 2. There’s a whole thread on it. Lol. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

He’s at 2. There’s a whole thread on it. Lol. 

 

Don't hurt my feelings.

[NewEra]

22 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. 

No.  Most people don’t feel that way at all

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Don't hurt my feelings.

[Big Gun]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lol people are so sensitive. Allen will likely regress. I'm sorry to break this news to you. If he has another 40+ TD year great, it just doesn't happen often. Even the greatest QB's of all time have regressed after seasons like that. Don't expect another 40+TD year. 

Hahahaha........ok! that's comical, because you so smaht!

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Oreo?

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lol people are so sensitive. Allen will likely regress. I'm sorry to break this news to you. If he has another 40+ TD year great, it just doesn't happen often. Even the greatest QB's of all time have regressed after seasons like that. Don't expect another 40+TD year. 

Wasn’t his point….

[hondo in seattle]

22 hours ago, cd1 said:

Just "click bait".

 

 

Sure.  PFF isn't 'real' football work.  While teams do subscribe to PFF, I don't think many coaches or scouts concern themselves with it very much.  

 

PFF exists to entertain.  Their job is to create content that gets attention and drives sales.  You can't blame them for doing their job.   

 

I do read power and player  rankings from time to time but I don't really care what they say.  I'm pretty confident I know the Bills better than any of the national media gurus or stat geeks.  Most of us here do.  I don't need them to validate my opinions.  

[YattaOkasan]

53 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

Hahahaha........ok! that's comical, because you so smaht!

 

I wonder what his thoughts were on Josh coming into last year.  I was excited but was still blown away by how well he did.  I also like that PFF hasn't recognized that Josh sits outside the data set they use to make their predictions.  One thing that site is good at is the non interpretative stats during different personnel groupings, down and distance, etc.  Their grades though lack critical context and I don't think are that valuable to the NFL community.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

No.  Most people don’t feel that way at all

Those that don't really know what they're talking about then. Go find me all the QB's with back to back 40+ TD seasons. 

 

Another thing is you should expect the Bills offense to regress some also. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Frat-Train]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Those that don't really know what they're talking about then. Go find me all the QB's with back to back 40+ TD seasons. 

 

Another thing is you should expect the Bills offense to regress some also. 

I’m in the small camp of thinkers that think he takes his game further, rather than regressing.  No statistics to back it, it’s just from watching him progress and knowing that everyone could possibly take a step forward given the year of consistency that they’ll have before this season.  

[34-78-83]

26 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

I’m in the small camp of thinkers that think he takes his game further, rather than regressing.  No statistics to back it, it’s just from watching him progress and knowing that everyone could possibly take a step forward given the year of consistency that they’ll have before this season.  

Well that's just it, exactly. Let's say the Bills in 2021 are 5-10% better in the running game, thus statistically giving more of the offensive total yardage for the season to the running game. Meanwhile Josh is playing in yet another year of the same system, is even better at reading defensive coverages and schemes, and has more continuity with his teammates. Joshes #'s in this scenario likely will be slightly lower than last years overall passing stats. But is Josh a worse QB? Certainly not. In fact he'd be a better QB. Is the offense not even better with the added threat of the running game? Still you will see articles claiming they were all correct about Josh's "regression" and patting themselves on the back. PFF does track some good information, but like everything else out there it needs to be used in the proper context if its going to be used at all for anything other than entertainment.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

50 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

I’m in the small camp of thinkers that think he takes his game further, rather than regressing.  No statistics to back it, it’s just from watching him progress and knowing that everyone could possibly take a step forward given the year of consistency that they’ll have before this season.  

I said earlier he'll regress statistically and still become a more efficient QB. Statistical regression doesn't mean he's bad. 

 

It's hard to put up 40+ total TD'S every year, no one has done it. Not even Mahomes. He had a statistical regression after his 50 TD season. Back to back years has happened but it's just rare. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[PrimeTime101]

9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Lol people are so sensitive. Allen will likely regress. I'm sorry to break this news to you. If he has another 40+ TD year great, it just doesn't happen often. Even the greatest QB's of all time have regressed after seasons like that. Don't expect another 40+TD year. 

The quote below is the statement you said. I new you were so far wrong that I created a poll. PROVES you are wrong that most people do not think he will regress. IF you had said some think he will aggress then I understand. Now you call us sensitive cause your proven wrong and you continue to act like gods gift that it is FACTUAL that he regresses. I care what you expect that's on you and you have every right to your opinion. 

 

But

 

Don't act like its factual "like it or not"  your way or the high way attitude around here and then draw us into it like you thought everyone else agrees with you.. then you call us sensitive... Sorry we love Josh.. Sorry we think he will improve.  Your word isnt the final word. stop acting it.

On 6/23/2021 at 11:51 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

The quote below is the statement you said. I new you were so far wrong that I created a poll. PROVES you are wrong that most people do not think he will regress. IF you had said some think he will aggress then I understand. Now you call us sensitive cause your proven wrong and you continue to act like gods gift that it is FACTUAL that he regresses. I care what you expect that's on you and you have every right to your opinion. 

 

But

 

Don't act like its factual "like it or not"  your way or the high way attitude around here and then draw us into it like you thought everyone else agrees with you.. then you call us sensitive... Sorry we love Josh.. Sorry we think he will improve.  Your word isnt the final word. stop acting it.

 

The word regress scares people. People don't like those words. 

 

Read the comments. 

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The word regress scares people. People don't like those words. 

 

Read the comments. 

you got called out and lost get over it

[Buffalo716]

Even if his stats aren't as good as last year it doesn't imply regression

 

We might have a better running game.. be killing clock in the fourth quarter.. defense might give us more turnovers and we might be on shorter fields 

 

Stats is far from the only thing that implies whether quarterbacks are progressing or regressing 

 

The Chances  that Josh actually regresses as a pure quarterback, are slim.. he should take another step mentally which will undoubtedly help

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Those that don't really know what they're talking about then. Go find me all the QB's with back to back 40+ TD seasons. 

 

Another thing is you should expect the Bills offense to regress some also. 

You said regress…….having lesser stats doesn’t necessarily mean regression.

 

Those that think lesser stats = regression 💯 of the time don’t know what they’re talking about

[nedboy7]

Here is PFF on the front office.  Just read it and enjoy.....

 

No general manager has done a better job of getting ahead of negotiating new contracts for top players quite like the Bills’ Brandon Beane, and the benefits of his diligent work will only be realized over the next few years. The Bills boast a roster that ranks third in our valuation of the veterans, and many of the top players are signed to multi-year deals already.

Nevertheless, after sending a first-round pick to the Minnesota Vikings for wide receiver Stefon Diggs, a massive extension for him and quarterback Josh Allen loom in the not-so-distant future.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You said regress…….having lesser stats doesn’t necessarily mean regression.

 

Those that think lesser stats = regression 💯 of the time don’t know what they’re talking about

Regress is probably the wrong word to use. 

[Mr. WEO]

meh.  

[IgotBILLStopay]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-nfl-2021

 

So 11-50 are 

 

11. EDGE T.J. WATT, PITTSBURGH STEELERS

12. RB DERRICK HENRY, TENNESSEE TITANS

13. G ZACK MARTIN, DALLAS COWBOYS

14. CB JAIRE ALEXANDER, GREEN BAY PACKERS

15. T DAVID BAKHTIARI, GREEN BAY PACKERS

16. CB JALEN RAMSEY, LOS ANGELES RAMS

17. WR DEANDRE HOPKINS, ARIZONA CARDINALS

18. WR TYREEK HILL, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

19. DI CHRIS JONES, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

20. LB FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

21. EDGE JOEY BOSA, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

22. QB RUSSELL WILSON, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

23. S JUSTIN SIMMONS, DENVER BRONCOS

24. T TRENT WILLIAMS, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

25. EDGE MYLES GARRETT, CLEVELAND BROWNS

26. RB DALVIN COOK, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

27. EDGE NICK BOSA, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

28. T RYAN RAMCZYK, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

29. CB MARLON HUMPHREY, BALTIMORE RAVENS

30. RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY, CAROLINA PANTHERS

31. DI CAMERON HEYWARD, PITTSBURGH STEELERS

32. S HARRISON SMITH, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

33. LB ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

34. WR ALLEN ROBINSON II, CHICAGO BEARS

35. WR JULIO JONES, TENNESSEE TITANS

36. CB BRYCE CALLAHAN, DENVER BRONCOS

37. RB NICK CHUBB, CLEVELAND BROWNS

38. WR A.J. BROWN, TENNESSEE TITANS

39. RB ALVIN KAMARA, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

40. QB JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO BILLS

41. S JOHN JOHNSON III, CLEVELAND BROWNS

42. DI GRADY JARRETT, ATLANTA FALCONS

43. T TERRON ARMSTEAD, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

44. WR MICHAEL THOMAS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

45. WR STEFON DIGGS, BUFFALO BILLS

46. T RONNIE STANLEY, BALTIMORE RAVENS

47. CB JAMES BRADBERRY, NEW YORK GIANTS

48. S MARCUS WILLIAMS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

49. LB LAVONTE DAVID, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

50. QB DAK PRESCOTT, DALLAS COWBOYS

 

I am guessing their top 10 would be (in some order)

 

3 QBs - Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers

 

2 Dlinemen - Donald, Mack

 

1 OG - Quenton Nelson (PFF's lovefest for Nelson is well known)

 

1 LB - Bobby Wagner (ditto)

 

2 TEs - Kelce, Kittle

 

1 WR - Adams

 

Besides the obvious Allen, Diggs, Tre White snubs, I think Garrett and the Bosas shd be higher and Saquan Barkley, Devin White and Shaquil Barrett  belong in that list. Heyward, Robinson, Ramsey, Smith and Johnson are a bit overrated by PFF. Also, pretty boy Brady is being ranked as a top 10 player based on past achievements - that SB  was all because of their defense, which carried them.

 

 

 

 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Haha. 8 WRs ranked ahead of Diggs. Another PFF gem. 

[NewEra]

On 6/23/2021 at 8:51 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most people here expect a regression. Not a huge one. They still have him top 7 for QB's. 

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Regress is probably the wrong word to use. 

Yes, it’s definitely the wrong word to use.  But you used it and applied it to “most people here”.  

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Regress is probably the wrong word to use. 

ding ding ding ding. glad we agree

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

Yes, it’s definitely the wrong word to use.  But you used it and applied it to “most people here”.  

exactly this. Cant talk for people on these boards... especially when you use "the wrong word"

[Don Otreply]

On 6/23/2021 at 1:59 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

It's a good idea to ignore articles written in the offseason.

More specifically, it’s good to ignore pff, during all seasons…,

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-nfl-2021

 

So 11-50 are 

 

11. EDGE T.J. WATT, PITTSBURGH STEELERS

12. RB DERRICK HENRY, TENNESSEE TITANS

13. G ZACK MARTIN, DALLAS COWBOYS

14. CB JAIRE ALEXANDER, GREEN BAY PACKERS

15. T DAVID BAKHTIARI, GREEN BAY PACKERS

16. CB JALEN RAMSEY, LOS ANGELES RAMS

17. WR DEANDRE HOPKINS, ARIZONA CARDINALS

18. WR TYREEK HILL, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

19. DI CHRIS JONES, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

20. LB FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

21. EDGE JOEY BOSA, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

22. QB RUSSELL WILSON, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS

23. S JUSTIN SIMMONS, DENVER BRONCOS

24. T TRENT WILLIAMS, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

25. EDGE MYLES GARRETT, CLEVELAND BROWNS

26. RB DALVIN COOK, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

27. EDGE NICK BOSA, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

28. T RYAN RAMCZYK, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

29. CB MARLON HUMPHREY, BALTIMORE RAVENS

30. RB CHRISTIAN MCCAFFREY, CAROLINA PANTHERS

31. DI CAMERON HEYWARD, PITTSBURGH STEELERS

32. S HARRISON SMITH, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

33. LB ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

34. WR ALLEN ROBINSON II, CHICAGO BEARS

35. WR JULIO JONES, TENNESSEE TITANS

36. CB BRYCE CALLAHAN, DENVER BRONCOS

37. RB NICK CHUBB, CLEVELAND BROWNS

38. WR A.J. BROWN, TENNESSEE TITANS

39. RB ALVIN KAMARA, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

40. QB JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO BILLS

41. S JOHN JOHNSON III, CLEVELAND BROWNS

42. DI GRADY JARRETT, ATLANTA FALCONS

43. T TERRON ARMSTEAD, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

44. WR MICHAEL THOMAS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

45. WR STEFON DIGGS, BUFFALO BILLS

46. T RONNIE STANLEY, BALTIMORE RAVENS

47. CB JAMES BRADBERRY, NEW YORK GIANTS

48. S MARCUS WILLIAMS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

49. LB LAVONTE DAVID, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS

50. QB DAK PRESCOTT, DALLAS COWBOYS

 

I am guessing their top 10 would be (in some order)

 

3 QBs - Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers

 

2 Dlinemen - Donald, Mack

 

1 OG - Quenton Nelson (PFF's lovefest for Nelson is well known)

 

1 LB - Bobby Wagner (ditto)

 

2 TEs - Kelce, Kittle

 

1 WR - Adams

 

Besides the obvious Allen, Diggs, Tre White snubs, I think Garrett and the Bosas shd be higher and Saquan Barkley, Devin White and Shaquil Barrett  belong in that list. Heyward, Robinson, Ramsey, Smith and Johnson are a bit overrated by PFF. Also, pretty boy Brady is being ranked as a top 10 player based on past achievements - that SB  was all because of their defense, which carried them.

 

 

 

 

Justin Simmons, a Safety for the Denver Broncos is the 23rd best player in the NFL?  I'm guessing half of NFL Fans have no idea who he is, what he looks like, and who he plays for.

[4merper4mer]

33 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Justin Simmons, a Safety for the Denver Broncos is the 23rd best player in the NFL?  I'm guessing half of NFL Fans have no idea who he is, what he looks like, and who he plays for.

Two Denver DBs in the top 50 NFL players.  Jake Kumerow begs to differ.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

Yes, it’s definitely the wrong word to use.  But you used it and applied it to “most people here”.  

I still believe most people expect a drop? Is drop sufficient? 

 

Oh wait I got it. A dip! Most people expect a dip? Dip works. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Two Denver DBs in the top 50 NFL players.  Jake Kumerow begs to differ.

Callahan didn’t play vs the Bills

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I still believe most people expect a drop? Is drop sufficient? 

A drop in what?  Stats?  A drop in success? More dropped passes?  
 

i truley believe that he will be a better QB in 2021.  He may have more ints…..he might not have as many TDs….. or yards……but he’ll be a better QB.  It’s really the only thing I care to discuss. Whether or not his has more or less stats is completely irrelevant to me

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Callahan didn’t play vs the Bills

A drop in what?  Stats?  A drop in success? More dropped passes?  
 

i truley believe that he will be a better QB in 2021.  He may have more ints…..he might not have as many TDs….. or yards……but he’ll be a better QB.  It’s really the only thing I care to discuss. Whether or not his has more or less stats is completely irrelevant to me

It's always been about stats. 

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It's always been about stats. 

Regarding this thread that we’re discussing:   I don’t think pff has Bryce Callahan rated higher than allen based on his projected stats. 
 

regarding this forum in general: maybe some here feel it’s all about stats.  I feel that stats are overrated and prefer to judge a player based on what I’m watching.  I had a 2 year long debate with 6 co workers who told me that Kyle Kuzma is just as good as Jayson Tatum after their respective rookie years and into throughout their 2nd season.   I told them, just watch them play.   They aren’t even in the same realm of ability.  I’m going to judge Josh Allen based on what I see.  You can judge him on stats.  

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Regarding this thread that we’re discussing:   I don’t think pff has Bryce Callahan rated higher than allen based on his projected stats. 
 

regarding this forum in general: maybe some here feel it’s all about stats.  I feel that stats are overrated and prefer to judge a player based on what I’m watching.  I had a 2 year long debate with 6 co workers who told me that Kyle Kuzma is just as good as Jayson Tatum after their respective rookie years and into throughout their 2nd season.   I told them, just watch them play.   They aren’t even in the same realm of ability.  I’m going to judge Josh Allen based on what I see.  You can judge him on stats.  

 

 

Speaking of regression, it's been statistical regression. 

 

PFF obviously expects more than a statistical regression. 

[GoBills808]

Bradberry AND Callahan over White lmfao