Carl Nassib Announces He is Gay

[soflabillsfan1]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

Not at all. They both broke social and cultural barriers. And like Robinson, I suspect Nassib is going to have to tolerate a certain level of verbal abuse by players and fans. Also like Robinson, I can see his teammates and other fans coming to his defense when that happens.

 

If you think there's any comparison of being black in the 40's and being gay in 2021, you need to get out of whatever bum***** town you're living in.

Edited June 22, 2021 by soflabillsfan1

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

 

I don't really care about anyone's orientation, religious beliefs, or political stance when it comes to football.  Nothing about his sexual orientation makes me feel uncomfortable, but I do enjoy the thinly veiled attempt at calling me homophobic, again nice try LOL.

 

What I do care about is those three things being dramatized for the simple theatre of it.  Hey's gay, yipee.  I do care about the well being of players, up to and including health struggles, as I would like to include them in my thoughts and prayers, however I don't feel Carl needs prayer from me any more that a straight person does for being straight.  I have that ability to separate things that way, you on the other hand, don't seem to have that skillset.  You don't like my opinion?  ohh no!  what ever will I do with myself!

 

I dignified your legitimate questions in this post with a response, so now you know.

The simple theater of it?

[Malazan]

4 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Nope, not at all.  Like I said, good on him for what makes him happy in life.  I have no issue with that whatsoever.  My brother is gay and gets a kick out of all the virtue signaling that make people feel good about themselves (like you getting in a tissy about ensuring TBD knows Michael Sam was NOT the first openly gay player on an active roster)! 

 

Sure thing, guy. I'm am 100% sure that is how it is and now some strange crutch you need to get through the day. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

26 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Sure thing, guy. I'm am 100% sure that is how it is and now some strange crutch you need to get through the day. 

 

You're so tough

[K-9]

1 hour ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

If you think there's any comparison of being black in the 40's and being gay in 2021, you need to get out of whatever bum***** town you're living in.

Way to miss the post entirely. It’s not about comparing blacks and gays, which is an idiotic concept. It’s about the comparative cultural and societal comparisons. If you can’t see that, what can I say. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We had a guy on my HS football team that came out.  None of us were surprised because during a beach trip, when everyone was making sand castles, he made a giant penis.  This was in the 90's and none of us really cared.  I'm sure the Raiders lockerroom will be cool with it and having no issues.

I think I would have made sand castles with big large boobs.

 

Preferably British milfs

Edited June 22, 2021 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Putin]

On 6/21/2021 at 4:58 PM, aristocrat said:

 

Good for him

Good for him more chicks for us !!

[StHustle]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31688171/las-vegas-raiders-de-carl-nassib-top-selling-nfl-jersey-fanatics-day-announcement

 

Las Vegas Raiders DE Carl Nassib has top-selling NFL jersey at Fanatics in day since announcement

 

In the 24 hours since Carl Nassib became the first active NFL player to come out as gay, the Las Vegas Raiders defensive end's jersey has been the top-selling item across the league, according to Fanatics.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think this might be relevant to the discussion:

 

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/kordell-stewart-nfl-football-pittsburgh-steelers

 

1) 20 years ago is not so long ago in terms of generational change of attitudes

2) In this instance, the irony is that a hetero man was being asked to defend himself against rumors that he was gay, and it caused issues for him

 

The point is, it's not so long ago that if a gay man was "living his life and doing what he does" and people found out, there's always the chance he was gonna be dealing with some version of this, or worse

 

If Carl Nassib just started raising money for the Trevor Foundation, instead of "coming out" to his teammates and coaches and now the NFL and everybody, the chances are he could be dealing with some crap as well.

 

 

 

It was only about 25 years ago that a gay friend of ours in Florida came out and his father told him “I’d rather have a dead son than a gay son.”  WOW! 

 

You can’t say “just live your life and if they find out, who cares?” It would be nice if it worked that way, but there will often be some kind of repercussions that can be unpleasant, at least. 

 

[cle23]

7 hours ago, Homey D. Clown said:

why did he even have to "come out" anyway, his personal life is his business, seems more like unnecessary theater to me.  you're gay, whoop-de-frickin-dooo, so are millions of other Americans.

 

Because there are plenty of gay people who are afraid to come out, or who have or are contemplating suicide. Having a "public" figure in a sport that hasn't really had many people come out may grant one person the ability to come out or to reevaluate suicide. 

 

Letting people know it's "ok", whatever that may mean to each person, can be very helpful. 

[aristocrat]

20 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It was only about 25 years ago that a gay friend of ours in Florida came out and his father told him “I’d rather have a dead son than a gay son.”  WOW! 

 

You can’t say “just live your life and if they find out, who cares?” It would be nice if it worked that way, but there will often be some kind of repercussions that can be unpleasant, at least. 

 

actually reminds me of a high school friend who’s brothers beat the ***** out of him when he came out at the dinner table. 
 

had another really good friend who couldn’t come out for risk of losing his grandfathers inheritance cause his aunt was executor and also an anti gay activist. But today he’s a self made millionaire and one of the biggest gay activists in nyc.  

[GoBills808]

45 minutes ago, StHustle said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31688171/las-vegas-raiders-de-carl-nassib-top-selling-nfl-jersey-fanatics-day-announcement

 

Las Vegas Raiders DE Carl Nassib has top-selling NFL jersey at Fanatics in day since announcement

 

In the 24 hours since Carl Nassib became the first active NFL player to come out as gay, the Las Vegas Raiders defensive end's jersey has been the top-selling item across the league, according to Fanatics.

@Simon

[GunnerBill]

35 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

actually reminds me of a high school friend who’s brothers beat the ***** out of him when he came out at the dinner table. 
 

had another really good friend who couldn’t come out for risk of losing his grandfathers inheritance cause his aunt was executor and also an anti gay activist. But today he’s a self made millionaire and one of the biggest gay activists in nyc.  

 

And even when you know your family are not going to beat you up or disown you - and I was lucky enough to know that - it doesn't make it easy. I didn't tell my family I am bisexual until my 30s and that was entirely about my perception of me rather than their perception about me. 

[HardyBoy]

6 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Nope, not at all.  Like I said, good on him for what makes him happy in life.  I have no issue with that whatsoever.  My brother is gay and gets a kick out of all the virtue signaling that make people feel good about themselves (like you getting in a tissy about ensuring TBD knows Michael Sam was NOT the first openly gay player on an active roster)! 

 

I would argue the primary virtue signaling I've seen in this thread is in the "why is this news?" contingent.

 

How would you feel if someone told your brother to get out of a communal shower because they knew he was gay? How would he feel?

 

Also, my guess is your brother is laughing about people who suddenly feel like they made some major personal achievement because they retweeted this news. Otherwise it sounds like he is minimizing the challenges gay people face, which I'm assuming is not the case.

 

The Trevor Project or Dan Savage's It Gets Better Project aren't a thing if there wasn't a need for it.

 

It does sound like your brother had a really supportive situation though based on the tiniest amounts of subtext, but careful applying that to everyone.

 

[Simon]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

@Simon

 

Sorry, but a bunch of people buying jerseys in the midst of a media frenzy doesn't change my perception that there is something biologically that generally makes heterosexual men more physically aggressive than gay men. By extension, I think this would suggest that there is likely a somewhat lower percentage of gay men hitting people for a living than there is gay men among the general population.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

actually reminds me of a high school friend who’s brothers beat the ***** out of him when he came out at the dinner table. 
 

had another really good friend who couldn’t come out for risk of losing his grandfathers inheritance cause his aunt was executor and also an anti gay activist. But today he’s a self made millionaire and one of the biggest gay activists in nyc.  

 

Well, that is BOTH horribly sad AND awesome at the same time.  🤷‍♂️

[soflabillsfan1]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Way to miss the post entirely. It’s not about comparing blacks and gays, which is an idiotic concept. It’s about the comparative cultural and societal comparisons. If you can’t see that, what can I say. 

Huh?  Again, not in the same realm of impact.  "comparative cultural and societal comparison" Enough with the word salad.  I don't think you even know what you're saying.  

Edited June 23, 2021 by soflabillsfan1

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Sorry, but a bunch of people buying jerseys in the midst of a media frenzy doesn't change my perception that there is something biologically that generally makes heterosexual men more physically aggressive than gay men.

 

Your perception is wrong.

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Your perception is wrong.

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

[HardyBoy]

Just now, Simon said:

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

 

If I'm colorblind and can't perceive blue, my perception is wrong.

[Man with No Name]

I'm glad he came out. It's something that needed to happen just to get it over with. that said, this barely even registers with me at this point, and that's a good thing, right? 

 

It's probably a bigger deal to people who actually play football. especially closeted gays who actually play football. But I don't think society really cares. 

 

obviously there are always gonna be haters out there. let's not try to pretend they are a representation of society as a whole. 

 

The next step is to get a mega star to come out as gay, and then we can be done with this and never have to do the coming out thing again. 

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

good post. 

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

If I'm colorblind and can't perceive blue, my perception is wrong.

 

Or maybe it's others who are colorblind and you're just fine ? - )

 

[HardyBoy]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Or maybe it's others who are colorblind and you're just fine ? - )

 

 

Lol, I'm not crazy, you're crazy!

 

Except you can measure the wavelengths of light coming off an object and see that all other wavelengths get absorbed by the object, except the wavelength corresponding to the color people see.

 

You really honestly think there hasn't been a ton of research on this stuff, come on now. 

[K-9]

11 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Huh?  Again, not in the same realm of impact.  "comparative cultural and societal comparison" Enough with the word salad.  I don't think you even know what you're saying.  

I know full well what I’m saying and it’s far away from what you seem to think it is. I’ll boil it down to the simplest form:

 

The comparison lies in the similarity in breaking thru a cultural barrier. Simple as that. 
 

You seem to think I’m equating the struggles of all of black America in their entirety with the struggles of the gay community in their entirety and nothing could be farther from the truth. Robinson shattered a barrier in sports. Nassib also shattered a barrier in sports. That’s all I’m saying. Acknowledging that similarity in no way lessens Robinson or elevates Nassib. 

There is no equating the struggles of black America with the struggles of gay America on a par basis. Like I said, it’s an absurd notion. 
 

If that is all word salad for you, it must be a huge challenge for you to comprehend truly complex concepts. 

 

[HardyBoy]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I know full well what I’m saying and it’s far away from what you seem to think it is. I’ll boil it down to the simplest form:

 

The comparison lies in the similarity in breaking thru a cultural barrier. Simple as that. 
 

You seem to think I’m equating the struggles of all of black America in their entirety with the struggles of the gay community in their entirety and nothing could be farther from the truth. Robinson shattered a barrier in sports. Nassib also shattered a barrier in sports. That’s all I’m saying. Acknowledging that similarity in no way lessens Robinson or elevates Nassib. 

There is no equating the struggles of black America with the struggles of gay America on a par basis. Like I said, it’s an absurd notion. 
 

If that is all word salad for you, it must be a huge challenge for you to comprehend truly complex concepts. 

 

 

If there was some kind of physical characteristic of being gay, I'm not entirely sure things would be all that different.

 

How about we set this imperfect line...if the nazis did crazy unethical scientific research on a demographic group you are a part of, you don't need to justify gains in societal acceptance...

[WotAGuy]

11 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

What is Hetro?  Gender fluid, non-binary?

Gender Fluid would be a great name for an alcoholic sparkling water. 

[Returntoglory]

Serious question.

 

Seeing that he is attracted to Men, how will his teammates take to showering with him and being around him is in the locker room?

 

Is this a legit concern? 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Returntoglory said:

Serious question.

 

Seeing that he is attracted to Men, how will his teammates take to showering with him and being around him is in the locker room?

 

Is this a legit concern? 

 

 

I would guess some won't like it and some won't care.

[HardyBoy]

5 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Serious question.

 

Seeing that he is attracted to Men, how will his teammates take to showering with him and being around him is in the locker room?

 

Is this a legit concern? 

 

 

 

Why, you think his teammates will start getting turned on thinking about how someone might potentially find them attractive? That would be super awkward! 

 

Do you shower in the gym with people you don't know? If you suddenly did know someone was gay, would you run out of there covering your junk? June must be a real tough time because of all the people wearing flags in solidarity of pride month...july can't get here fast enough, eh?

 

All serious questions.

Edited June 23, 2021 by HardyBoy

[Augie]

31 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Or maybe it's others who are colorblind and you're just fine ? - )

 

 

I was almost 50 when I had a career aptitude test trying to figure out what I wanted to be that would make me happy when I grow up. One thing we learned is that I am color blind in some ranges. I retroactively lost every argument ever that involved color! Window treatments, clothes, chair fabrics, all those arguments  resurfaced and I had no defense. 🤷‍♂️

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

If there was some kind of physical characteristic of being gay, I'm not entirely sure things would be all that different.

 

How about we set this imperfect line...if the nazis did crazy unethical scientific research on a demographic group you are a part of, you don't need to justify gains in societal acceptance...

That’s a very interesting point and I’d have to agree. There is something to be said for a shared experience of being discriminated against, regardless of the nature of that discrimination. I’ll leave it to others to argue about another’s validity in that regard, but I think it’s a ridiculous concept to compare scars in that fashion. 
 

But the struggle of black America is rooted in something deeper than just skin color (physical characteristics).
 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by K-9

[Mr. K]

10 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Please list the NFL games that Michael Sam played in...

The fact that you guys don't think Michael Sam counts proves the hypocrisy. First player drafted first player to play... they both got nfl checks didn't they? That counts on the payroll? That means he wasin the league? Who gives a flying rats arse is you're gay? Seriously, this country at this time. Good for you. Is it important? No. Should people care? No. Live your best life.... 

[HardyBoy]

Just now, K-9 said:

That’s a very interesting point and I’d have to agree. There is something to be said for a shared experience of being discriminated against, regardless of the nature of that discrimination. I’ll leave it to others to argue about another’s validity in that regard, but I think it’s a ridiculous concept to compare scars in that fashion. 
 

But the struggle of black America is rooted in something deeper than just skin color. 
 

 

 

Right, playing the who's more oppressed game is awful, but I'd argue the need to justify your feelings of being oppressed when the nazis literally did human centipede type experiments on people in your demo group is worse. 

 

Agree, and I think the oppression of gay people is rooted more deeply as well...same thing probably. There is also a scape goat element to it too though, and with something like being gay, where it's not a physical thing, people could accuse you of it and find some birth mark arbitrarily and you're toast. 

[Returntoglory]

11 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Why, you think his teammates will start getting turned on thinking about how someone might potentially find them attractive? That would be super awkward! 

 

Do you shower in the gym with people you don't know? If you suddenly did know someone was gay, would you run out of there covering your junk? June must be a real tough time because of all the people wearing flags in solidarity of pride month...july can't get here fast enough, eh?

 

All serious questions.

WTF are you talking about? My question is clear and obviously you're making jest. 

 

Would it not be like showering with the opposite sex? 

[Doc Brown]

Raiders fans seem pissed he pry won’t get cut next year now.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Sorry, but a bunch of people buying jerseys in the midst of a media frenzy doesn't change my perception that there is something biologically that generally makes heterosexual men more physically aggressive than gay men. By extension, I think this would suggest that there is likely a somewhat lower percentage of gay men hitting people for a living than there is gay men among the general population.

 You are aware that the percentage of gay men serving in the military tracks very closely with the general population? Anecdotal evidence and generalizations aside, why should the NFL or professional sports in general be any different?

[Simon]

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Lol, I'm not crazy, you're crazy!

 

Except you can measure the wavelengths of light coming off an object and see that all other wavelengths get absorbed by the object, except the wavelength corresponding to the color people see.

 

You really honestly think there hasn't been a ton of research on this stuff, come on now. 

 

I'm sure there's some folks who have used imaging tools on brain responses to visual stimuli among people of varying sexual orientations, but considering how marginalized that community has been across most global cultures, I'd wonder how much funding is readily available for that kind of research. Although I'd think that we're currently moving through the kind of cultural advance that might make it more accessible. 

[HardyBoy]

27 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

WTF are you talking about? My question is clear and obviously you're making jest. 

 

Would it not be like showering with the opposite sex? 

 

 

Oh, I was very much not joking, I just am not going to be super direct, but I'll turn it up just a little.

 

You're assuming the women would become aroused though. They very much likely would not (there are coed showers all throughout europe...they don't devolve into orgies, because it's just nudity. You're assuming the gay man would get aroused as well, they very much likely would not (unless I missed the part where you just have a huddle of guys in art museums staring at nude sculptures unable to move without a binder in front of them like 7th grade.

 

Anyway, look up projection in terms of defense mechanisms.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Sorry, but a bunch of people buying jerseys in the midst of a media frenzy doesn't change my perception that there is something biologically that generally makes heterosexual men more physically aggressive than gay men. By extension, I think this would suggest that there is likely a somewhat lower percentage of gay men hitting people for a living than there is gay men among the general population.

 

1 hour ago, Simon said:

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

 

With all due respect, my man, this is the dumbest ***** I've ever seen you post.

 

There are TONS of masculine homosexual men in the world. Rednecks, Cops, Military, Athletes, Hunters, Tradesmen, Farmers, etc, etc, etc.

 

Again, check out Rugby. Surprisingly large amount (almost majority) of gay players.

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 You are aware that the percentage of gay men serving in the military tracks very closely with the general population? Anecdotal evidence and generalizations aside, why should the NFL or professional sports in general be any different?

I'm not aware of that and it would surprise me.

Although here's a study from an institution that is well-regarded as fairly reliable and authoritative that does not support that claim.

Gay Men and Lesbians in the U.S. Military

 

A summary snippet:

 

• Using the mid-point estimate that 3 percent of women and 4 percent of men are gay or lesbian among adults in the general population, the findings shown in table 2 suggest that 1.8 percent of active duty personnel are gay or lesbian, meaning that nearly 26,000 gay men and lesbians are serving on active duty. The proportion of lesbians among active duty female personnel is approximately four times higher than the proportion of gay men among male personnel, regardless of the assumptions about prevalence in the population. The mid-range estimate of the proportion of lesbians among women serving on active duty is 5.2 percent while the comparable figure for gay men is 1.2 percent. These estimates imply that more than 11,000 lesbians and 14,500 gay men are currently serving in active duty.

 

 

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

With all due respect, my man, this is the dumbest ***** I've ever seen you post.

 

There are TONS of masculine homosexual men in the world. Rednecks, Cops, Military, Athletes, Hunters, Tradesmen, Farmers, etc, etc, etc.

 

Again, check out Rugby. Surprisingly large amount (almost majority) of gay players.

 

Of course there's many homosexual men that enjoy banging heads. 

But I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that gay men trend toward less physically aggressive tendencies.

If I were to suggest that most men tend to be taller than most women, the fact that many tall women exist doesn't invalidate the observation.