Logic Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Rico said: Marcel Dareus. HOF talent drafted by the wrong team at the wrong time. His physical talent was elite. His heart, will, and drive to be great were practice squad level. A real shame. Looked great in a boat captain's hat, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Brian Moorman. When your punter is your best player for so many years, there is a whole lot of room for improvement in that team! 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Logic said: His physical talent was elite. His heart, will, and drive to be great were practice squad level. A real shame. Looked great in a boat captain's hat, though. If he didn’t come into a clown show of an organization and if he had some legit role models on the team to steer him along & keep him in line & teach him how to win, I think he may have realized his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, TroutDog said: I absolutely agree with Moulds…such a shame for him he landed here. I would have also been interested to see what Fred would have done on a really good team. I agree on Fred. Had he been a pat* he could have had a hell of a run. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think if Moulds had at least a decent QB to throw to him, he would be looked at as one of the greats. He would be known at the same level as Marvin Harrison and Tory Holt who were in his same era. But with the QB's throwing to him, he is really only still remembered by Bills fans. Important to note that Moulds was on 3 playoff teams in his first 4 seasons.......he just didn't show up to play until year 3. The lamented years of 2000-2004.....after which Moulds fell off a cliff..........he actually had more passes thrown to him than Tory Holt. Holt came into the league ready to go. He put 1800 more yards in his first two seasons than Moulds did in his. Just a better player, WR, teammate and person. There is no comparison with Marvin Harrison in terms of talent.........he was an elite route runner with great speed. Moulds was a hack by comparison. Johnson and Bledsoe actually played perfectly into Moulds game as a guy who just liked to run deep routes but also required a QB who would just throw it up for grabs because Moulds often could not separate. A guy like Peyton Manning would not have appreciated having to throw passes into harms way to cater to Moulds. I don't think any of the players during "the drought" were very personally harmed by being on a bad team. Aaron Schobel probably would have put up more sacks and gotten more press on a good team.........but he called it quits 2-3 years too soon so it shouldn't be a big lament of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 OJ Simpson. There was simply no player more physically capable in his first years, and those were largely wasted. He was on a different planet. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, jwhit34 said: Early days: Also WRs - Marlin Briscoe and Bob Chandler. Though he had a great playing career, OJ's first 3 years (year 2 he got hurt) were wasted. Imagine if Saban had been here from the beginning of his career. Tony Greene and late 70-80s, Charles Romes Later: Moulds for sure OJ and Moulds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsBlue said: My honest opinion Jp losman....... My funny opinion Craig nall My best guess probably Fred Jackson he was always a super star and most of his career was wasted in Europe.....imo he may have been one of the all time greats had he had enough time starting I 100% agree with JP Losman!! Losman was Josh Allen, coming out of Tulane, without the size. Losman had the mobility and strong arm but wasn’t considered to be the most accurate. Losman also had that SWAG on the football field. Losman was also considered a “Buffalo guy”. I would’ve loved to seen JP under the tutelage of the current Bills administration. Would Jordan Palmer been able to fix Losman’s footwork to improve his accuracy the way he helped Josh? Would Daboll have been able to help JP read defenses and make the correct decisions on the football field? Would McDermott’s coaching style have had the team better embrace JP as a rookie? All of this would have been nice to know. If only I had a Delorean DMC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Shady was the best skill position player we had from the super bowl era through last year. If he had any help he could have been a Bills legend. The guy was the single biggest reason for the ending of the drought and deserved so much more then he got here. It’s to bad the primes didn’t line up because if Shady was still good and on last years team, we might have been the best offense in 15 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said: Dennis Shaw Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Joe Ferguson. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Important to note that Moulds was on 3 playoff teams in his first 4 seasons.......he just didn't show up to play until year 3. The lamented years of 2000-2004.....after which Moulds fell off a cliff..........he actually had more passes thrown to him than Tory Holt. Holt came into the league ready to go. He put 1800 more yards in his first two seasons than Moulds did in his. Just a better player, WR, teammate and person. There is no comparison with Marvin Harrison in terms of talent.........he was an elite route runner with great speed. Moulds was a hack by comparison. Johnson and Bledsoe actually played perfectly into Moulds game as a guy who just liked to run deep routes but also required a QB who would just throw it up for grabs because Moulds often could not separate. A guy like Peyton Manning would not have appreciated having to throw passes into harms way to cater to Moulds. I don't think any of the players during "the drought" were very personally harmed by being on a bad team. Aaron Schobel probably would have put up more sacks and gotten more press on a good team.........but he called it quits 2-3 years too soon so it shouldn't be a big lament of fans. Thanks to Gailey/Nix switching to a 3-4 when we had zero personnel capable of running a 3-4. Good thing we spent 2 drafts on bums like Troupe, Carrington, Batten, and Moats who were supposed to fit our new 3-4 before we abandoned it 18 months later and went back to a 4-3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Scott Norwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) End of the half, Peterman! Trust in God! THROW THE DAMN BALL!! Edited June 10, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Rico said: If he didn’t come into a clown show of an organization and if he had some legit role models on the team to steer him along & keep him in line & teach him how to win, I think he may have realized his potential. I have defended Dareus and given McD crap for not coaching him up and taking the easy way out by trading him. However it's wrong to say he had no role models. He had Kyle Williams playing next to him. He had Hughes who by all reports is a good locker room guy. Maybe if McD and Frazier had been his initial coaches instead of Ryan it could have turned out better. Dareus is one of many NFL players to get the second contract signing bonus and then give up. He won't be the last. I still suspect given the right circumstance Dareus could still play at a high level. At least be solid rotation guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Trent Edwards. D. Jauron's "No Huddle, No O-line" offense did him no favors. He didn't arrive in Buffalo as "Captain Checkdown." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Logic said: Marshawn Lynch. I wonder what would have happened if he had a decent play-caller and an opportunity to contribute in meaningful playoff and championship football games. I guess we'll never know. We do know. When he was traded to Seattle he was a SB winner and a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: We do know. When he was traded to Seattle he was a SB winner and a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think there was so much wrong on some of those Bills teams it is a hard question to answer. I only saw the last 2 or 3 years of Moulds but agree he is in the conversation. The first Bills season I watched was the Bledsoe and Moulds year and he had like 10 touchdowns. Imagine if he had competent QB play his whole career!?! If I am going to go for someone a bit left field I think had Nigel Bradham benefitted from more consistency in scheme and role in his early years he is a guy that the Bills would have given a second contract to and he'd have had a decent payday. Instead he was always seen as a bit part because he was moved around a ton and the scheme flipped every year. Worked out for him as he was a starter on the Eagles' Superbowl team. So I’m guessing you remember Pat Williams. He goes to Minnesota and with him and Kevin Williams…created the best interior DL in football for a few years. Kevin absolutely benefited with Pat there. What would think of Kyle Williams if he had Pat next to him in his earlier year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: I have defended Dareus and given McD crap for not coaching him up and taking the easy way out by trading him. However it's wrong to say he had no role models. He had Kyle Williams playing next to him. He had Hughes who by all reports is a good locker room guy. Maybe if McD and Frazier had been his initial coaches instead of Ryan it could have turned out better. Dareus is one of many NFL players to get the second contract signing bonus and then give up. He won't be the last. I still suspect given the right circumstance Dareus could still play at a high level. At least be solid rotation guy. All Kyle Williams and Jerry Hughes knew before McD came to town was how to lose. By the time McD arrived, Dareus was already ruined. To both Kyle and Jerry’s credit though, they did buy into the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todzilla Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 40 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: Fred. Smerlas? Cause it ain’t Jackson. That dude totally maxed his potential. He was good, not great. Way overrated by the fans. I know that’s not a popular statement. He has a great backstory. Seems like a good dude. Played his ass off every game. But he wasn’t elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 That's an easy one.....Aaron Schobel. The man was an excellent pass rusher and for a while, he was the only capable pass rusher we had. He also played for idiotic coaches who would line him up wide to where he was almost on the sidelines, and even send him out into coverage. AS followed Bruce Smith, so he was under appreciated by many fans, but that man could play. On a team that had other pass rushers that had to be accounted for, Schobel would have been a consistent pro bowl player. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Joe Ferguson was a great QB and had a budget roster around him. The "Ralph is cheap" quips have some weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, boater said: Joe Ferguson was a great QB and had a budget roster around him. The "Ralph is cheap" quips have some weight. 🤮! You could’ve given Ferguson Reed, Moulds, Peerless and Lee Evans and still gotten the penguin walking, dropped head QB that you seen playing in that era. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Eric Moulds could easily be a HOFer had he played with others.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Upon further review, Marcell Dareus. Had he not fallen in with the wrong crowd of holligans, he wouldn't have started drag racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Peterman??? ducking for flying objects No worries. Those objects landed in DBs hands. They must use magnets or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colfax Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Greg Bell - led the league in rushing TDs with the Raiders in 88 & 89. Of course, Buffalo had Thurman by then but Bell played on some really awful Bills teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Important to note that Moulds was on 3 playoff teams in his first 4 seasons.......he just didn't show up to play until year 3. The lamented years of 2000-2004.....after which Moulds fell off a cliff..........he actually had more passes thrown to him than Tory Holt. Holt came into the league ready to go. He put 1800 more yards in his first two seasons than Moulds did in his. Just a better player, WR, teammate and person. There is no comparison with Marvin Harrison in terms of talent.........he was an elite route runner with great speed. Moulds was a hack by comparison. Johnson and Bledsoe actually played perfectly into Moulds game as a guy who just liked to run deep routes but also required a QB who would just throw it up for grabs because Moulds often could not separate. A guy like Peyton Manning would not have appreciated having to throw passes into harms way to cater to Moulds. I don't think any of the players during "the drought" were very personally harmed by being on a bad team. Aaron Schobel probably would have put up more sacks and gotten more press on a good team.........but he called it quits 2-3 years too soon so it shouldn't be a big lament of fans. Please enlighten us on how Holt was a better person than Moulds. Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 You guys won't like this, but Stephon Gilmore. Great player, miserable team. If he was just a couple years later and paired with TreD on this roster....well who knows:) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Aaron Maybin... I mean if he had someone better to support his paintings, maybe he wouldn't have gone out for the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Please enlighten us on how Holt was a better person than Moulds. Inquiring minds want to know. https://apnews.com/article/e496aca20551a892a78277949f57a401 https://www.amherstbee.com/articles/ex-bills-player-arrested-friday/ https://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/17/sports/bills-moulds-fined-for-attacks.html Thug. Edited June 11, 2021 by Rico 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, Rico said: https://apnews.com/article/e496aca20551a892a78277949f57a401 https://www.amherstbee.com/articles/ex-bills-player-arrested-friday/ https://www.nytimes.com/1997/06/17/sports/bills-moulds-fined-for-attacks.html Thug. Crap. Should have remembered this stuff ….thx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I don’t have enough time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Crap. Should have remembered this stuff ….thx Yeah if you were an adult at the time you should probably have remembered that he kept the Bills team attorney very busy early in his career and the talk going into camp in 1998 wasn't if Moulds would break out it was if the Bills were going to cut him. A lot of the Moulds worshippers on here were a little too young at the time to know about what a low-life he was off the field. The incident with the assault on the female........he reportedly had her lifted off her feet by the neck. IMO his 1998 season was the most dominant performance by a Bills WR ever though........IMO even more dominant than Diggs last season........he was big, fast, quick and powerful. But he wasn't smart about training either........he kept putting on muscle and his legs got heavy and he lost speed, quickness and flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Defense-Schobel was decent on some awful lines, and would have been great on this current line or even the 2013-2014 one. Even Kelsay would have been a perfectly fine rotation player on this squad, he just took a lot of heat due to being vastly overrated by the team ownership and counted on to do way too much. Offense, Moulds is an obvious one, but Lynch could have done great things with this current Bills team. Fitzpatrick did okay for himself given who he had to throw to between 2010 and 2012. He would have been an ideal backup to Allen(although I am happy with Trubisky). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Karlos the Killa If only he had a good mentor that pushed him to be a responsible, hard working athlete, take care of his body and train properly. Instead he got a lazy pregnant wife who wanted him to stay home and eat with her. That dude had some serious natural talent, he did better his rookie year than Derrick Henry did by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 18 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: The first player that comes to mind is Eric Moulds. He had an end of career Kelly, a bad Todd Collins, a bad Rob Johnson, not so good Flutie, a shot Bledsoe and a bad JP Losman throwing to him....yet he still put up good numbers. Any other QB I'm missing? I think if Moulds had at least a decent QB to throw to him, he would be looked at as one of the greats. He would be known at the same level as Marvin Harrison and Tory Holt who were in his same era. But with the QB's throwing to him, he is really only still remembered by Bills fans. Who you got? My thoughts exactly. With better support we're talking HOF not WOF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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