Mac Jones vs Zach Wilson

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, P Riv said:

I'm not sure who to be more worried about in terms of personal welfare.  Wilson is in the media center of the globe under a microscope and Jones is going to enter a QB room with a true diva in a Marvel comics superhero body with huge personality to match.  Newton may not be able to throw any more, but he's still a former NFL MVP, led his team to the SB, looks like a Greek god, etc.  Look at Jones without a shirt on and then Cam.... lol

The most effective QB on their team might turn out to be Stidham, who will be traded at some point.  

 

 

 

Jones played on a team full of superstars for arguably the best college coach in history, and is going to play for a perennial champion coached by arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.  I think he'll probably be ok, and I fully expect Cam will be a good teammate

[YoloinOhio]

I’m excited to have another thread to post these in 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

He looks like a skinnier blonde Kyle Boller.

 

 

[Ghost_002!]

Yea I don't even know how much stake you should even put in what these QBs did, or played with in college. Aaron Rodgers was  drafted No. 24 and played for Cal. How that work out?

 

 

[HOUSE]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m excited to have another thread to post these in 

 

 

 

I have seen this guy before

 

 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m excited to have another thread to post these in 

 

 

He looks super excited to go to his first Highschool dance.

[dave mcbride]

20 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 Don't need a 40 time when you can walk on water. 😉

Actually, you do, and I don't think it's good enough. 5.04 even with a stiff ocean breeze at his back would be my guess.

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m excited to have another thread to post these in 

 

 

Christ. That's just ... vanity. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He looks super excited to go to his first Highschool dance.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Wilson should command a lot of respect in an NFL locker room.  Looks like an 18 year old Jimmy Claussen.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

Yea I don't even know how much stake you should even put in what these QBs did, or played with in college. Aaron Rodgers was  drafted No. 24 and played for Cal. How that work out?

 

 

Rodgers was groomed in a good situation.  Zach wilson is getting thrown to the wolves on a team with holes all over the place that couldve hit home runs at a ton of other positions with the number 2 overall pick.  We did something similar with Josh I feel like but Josh works so hard on his game in the offseason and I just dont get that same vibe from Wilson.  Thats based on nothing though so maybe he'll prove me wrong lol

Edited April 30, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

"Wait can all these guys grow facial hair already?"

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

20 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Jones played on a team full of superstars for arguably the best college coach in history, and is going to play for a perennial champion coached by arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.  I think he'll probably be ok, and I fully expect Cam will be a good teammate

I get the vibe that belichick really wanted fields and is probably disappointed.  Cam as a bridge qb to Mac Jones just doesn't make sense to me they are polar opposites 

[LabattBlue]

IMO Mac Jones starts from day 1(consider that Cam is the alternative), and leads the Pats to a wildcard spot in year 1.

 

 

...and I think Lance has the biggest bust potential of the 5 QB's selected last night.

Edited April 30, 2021 by BTB

[Ghost_002!]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Actually, you do, and I don't think it's good enough. 5.04 even with a stiff ocean breeze at his back would be my guess.

Christ. That's just ... vanity. 

 for a QB.....their 40 time is the least thing scouts are looking at.  (that's not me being pro Jones..) Just that doesn't matter as much. 

 

10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Rodgers was groomed in a good situation.  Zach wilson is getting thrown to the wolves on a team with holes all over the place that couldve hit home runs at a ton of other positions with the number 2 overall pick.  We did something similar with Josh I feel like but Josh works so hard on his game in the offseason and I just dont get that same vibe from Wilson.  Thats based on nothing though so maybe he'll prove me wrong lol

 

Yea but you never know. P.Manning threw 28 ints as a rookie being thrown to the wolves as well.  As they say "Pressure bust pipes..."

Edited April 30, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

Mac Jones was the one guy i didnt want going to the Patriots.  Time will tell I guess but whatever he's lacking in athleticism he makes up for in accuracy and good decision making.  Sound like anyone we know?  He has some big shoes to fill but my hot take is that he'll probably be considered the #2 QB from this draft in 5 years

 

 

 

This is how I feel. Joe Burrow also had an explosive offense in college on a powerhouse SEC loaded w/ talent and he's coming along great. I think MJ will at the least be a very good game-manager w/ the ability to win you games on his own once in awhile.

 

Tua, Hurts, McCarron < Mac Jones

 

As a pure fan of football, I think this is very intriguing and it's good to know your enemy. I'm genuinely interested to see how this all plays out. 

 

[ProcessAccepted]

19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He looks like a skinnier blonde Kyle Boller.

 

 

Or at least what Kyle Boller would look like if he had the extra X chromosome 😂

[Warcodered]

20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Alabama doesn't actually play a cupcake schedule. I expect Jones will be good. 

I fully agree. Athleticism is nice, but it's not as if has a bad arm. It's certainly good enough, and he can make all the throws.  This isn't Christian Ponder we're talking about. I feel like that's the unstated comp here and it's just wrong. 

 

Exactly. The SEC produces more NFL talent than every other division. We can make that same argument against Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow. Some Bills fans are getting a little too cocky. It's still Bellichick and it's still the Patriots. We won the division for the 1st time in 25 years. This year it's going to be a bit harder to take the crown. The Jets have no where to go but up and the same goes w/ the Patriots. I have no doubt in my mind that both teams will be much improved from last year and a big part of that will be of these QBs.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, BTB said:

IMO Mac Jones starts from day 1(consider that Cam is the alternative), and leads the Pats to a wildcard spot in year 1.

 

 

...and I think Lance has the biggest bust potential of the 5 QB's selected last night.

Zach Wilson also has to start day 1, no alternative there.

15 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I get the vibe that belichick really wanted fields and is probably disappointed.  Cam as a bridge qb to Mac Jones just doesn't make sense to me they are polar opposites 

Why even bother playing cam? He sucked last year and they just drafted a QB very high. It makes no sense unless they are actively trying to not win 

[dave mcbride]

15 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 for a QB.....their 40 time is the least thing scouts are looking at.  (that's not me being pro Jones..) Just that doesn't matter as much. 

 

 

Yea but you never know. P.Manning threw 28 ints as a rookie being thrown to the wolves as well.  As they say "Pressure bust pipes..."

I was kidding! I think Jones will be good.

[MJS]

I'm not worried about either of them. But both could be good QB's.

[Success]

What's nice about Jones is that he'll take time.  Despite all of the "big moves" they made in FA, it will likely not amount to much for the '21 season - they'll either have Cam, who will be better w/ the new weapons but hardly scary, or a rookie QB who has really never been pressured by an opposing defense.

 

Beyond that, they'll have to go through the same thing we went through w/ new QB's - you really have to invest 2-3 years, regardless. And if they don't pan out, it's wash, rinse, repeat.

 

I was hoping they wouldn't get Garropolo, who could take much more advantage of their new additions if he stayed healthy, and certainly hoping that they wouldn't get Rogers, after yesterday's news.

 

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Jones was one of my under-the-radar QB prospects this year. With the Saban-Bellichick connection, I'm sure he has the full scoop of what he can do. Jones is prototypical size and can make every throw, therefore he will be able to open up the Patriots offense.

 

I have absolutely zero fear of Mac Jones.

Bill Belichick has benefitted from having a great QB for 20 years. No other QB they have "developed" has ever turned into a competent starter.

 

Remember when we were all scared of what Bill could do with Cam, a former league MVP?

Don't let the legacy fool you.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Zach Wilson also has to start day 1, no alternative there.

Why even bother playing cam? He sucked last year and they just drafted a QB very high. It makes no sense unless they are actively trying to not win 

 

Besides Lawrence I think MJ is the most pro-ready of that rookie class too. Bellichick can say whatever the heck he wants but Cam Newton will not be the starter come September.

[Warcodered]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Besides Lawrence I think MJ is the most pro-ready of that rookie class too. Bellichick can say whatever the heck he wants but Cam Newton will not be the starter come September.

If he can't beat out Cam that'd be wonderful.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

I have absolutely zero fear of Mac Jones.

Bill Belichick has benefitted from having a great QB for 20 years. No other QB they have "developed" has ever turned into a competent starter.

 

Remember when we were all scared of what Bill could do with Cam, a former league MVP?

Don't let the legacy fool you.

 

Lol who feared a broken down Cam Newton? Certainly not me. Maybe 5 years ago?

 

New England had NO NEED to develop a QB when they had Brady. What team has 2 legitimate starting QBs at once? 

 

And besides, Bill and the Pats have developed a good number of quality back-ups along w/ Jimmy G and Bledsoe who both led their teams to the Super Bowl. 

 

 

[Sharky7337]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

Right, the SEC, home of the famous cupcake schedule.

 

By that metric i am curious what would be a difficult schedule in the original poster's opinion

 

By the fact that the talen of Alabama is still head and shoulders above those other SEC teams. Did you even watch ho many Bama players went in the first round last night?

 

Maybe LSD did make a comeback.

[Rigotz]

5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Lol who feared a broken down Cam Newton? Certainly not me. Maybe 5 years ago?

 

New England had NO NEED to develop a QB when they had Brady. What team has 2 legitimate starting QBs at once? 

 

And besides, Bill and the Pats have developed a good number of quality back-ups along w/ Jimmy G and Bledsoe who both led their teams to the Super Bowl. 

 

 

 

Belichick developed Drew Bledsoe? That's a new one.

Bledsoe played for the Pats 1993-2001. Belichick was an assistant for the Patriots one year in 1996 and then didn't come back until 2000.

Not sure if you watched San Francisco, but Jimmy Garoppolo was the reason they DIDN'T win the Super Bowl. 

 

Here are the QB's drafted by Belichick the past 20 years:

2002: Round 4: Rohan Davey - sucked

2003: Round 6: Kliff Kinsgsbury - sucked

2005: Round 7: Matt Cassel - sucked

2008: Round 3: Kevin O'Connell - sucked

2010: Round 7: Zac Robinson - sucked

2011: Round 3: Ryan Mallett - sucked

2014: Round 2: Jimmy Garoppolo - average at best

2016: Round 3: Jacoby Brissett - average at best

2018: Round 7: Danny Etling - sucked

2019: Round 4: Jarrett Stidham - sucked

 

You clearly haven't done your research, my friend.

 

[JMF2006]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Jones was one of my under-the-radar QB prospects this year. With the Saban-Bellichick connection, I'm sure he has the full scoop of what he can do. Jones is prototypical size and can make every throw, therefore he will be able to open up the Patriots offense.

 

Its one thing to play on the best team in college football and throw to wide open receivers.

 

In the NFL they are not Alabama open unless someone falls or really blows an assignment.

 

The other thing about Mac is I don't see an elite NFL arm it looks  JAQ....just an average QB

We needed another option in the poll

 

The we need not worry about either for 3 or so years.

[Ghost_002!]

17 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

Belichick developed Drew Bledsoe? That's a new one.

Bledsoe played for the Pats 1993-2001. Belichick was an assistant for the Patriots one year in 1996 and then didn't come back until 2000.

Not sure if you watched San Francisco, but Jimmy Garoppolo was the reason they DIDN'T win the Super Bowl. 

 

Here are the QB's drafted by Belichick the past 20 years:

2002: Round 4: Rohan Davey - sucked

2003: Round 6: Kliff Kinsgsbury - sucked

2005: Round 7: Matt Cassel - sucked

2008: Round 3: Kevin O'Connell - sucked

2010: Round 7: Zac Robinson - sucked

2011: Round 3: Ryan Mallett - sucked

2014: Round 2: Jimmy Garoppolo - average at best

2016: Round 3: Jacoby Brissett - average at best

2018: Round 7: Danny Etling - sucked

2019: Round 4: Jarrett Stidham - sucked

 

You clearly haven't done your research, my friend.

 

 

 

This is not true. He missed a would be touchdown yes, but he was not the reason why SF lost. Shannahan being Shanahan was the reason. He had the Chiefs on the ropes and spent too much time over thinking the situation after being up. Same thing he did as a offensive coordinator  for the falcons when they were in the SB.

9 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Its one thing to play on the best team in college football and throw to wide open receivers.

 

In the NFL they are not Alabama open unless someone falls or really blows an assignment.

 

The other thing about Mac is I don't see an elite NFL arm it looks  JAQ....just an average QB

 

This can be said about every rookie QB though. Alabama is no slouch on defense which he faced in practice and Ohio State defense did beat the crap out of Trevor Lawrence before facing Alabama and Jones for the championship. He's tested enough. Whether that will pan out in the NFL..i have no clue.....I still wanted Fields. 

Edited April 30, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Malazan]

I don't like the chances for either one. I think Wilson is being extremely overrated, but that's not why I think either of them struggle. The AFC East is viper's nest for rookie QBs right now. A rookie is going to face 3 of 4 very good defensive minds (4 of 4 if you count going against them in camp and practice):

 

Bill Belichick

Sean McDermott

Brian Flores

Robert Saleh

 

These guys have each had a top ten ranked defense within the last 4 years. Excluding Flores, they have each had a top 5 defense (Flores 6th). They all are good at creating confusion and sowing chaos. I don't think there's a worse division to be a rookie QB in as 6 games a year, you're facing one of the top defensive minds in football. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

30 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

Belichick developed Drew Bledsoe? That's a new one.

Bledsoe played for the Pats 1993-2001. Belichick was an assistant for the Patriots one year in 1996 and then didn't come back until 2000.

Not sure if you watched San Francisco, but Jimmy Garoppolo was the reason they DIDN'T win the Super Bowl. 

 

Here are the QB's drafted by Belichick the past 20 years:

2002: Round 4: Rohan Davey - sucked

2003: Round 6: Kliff Kinsgsbury - sucked

2005: Round 7: Matt Cassel - sucked

2008: Round 3: Kevin O'Connell - sucked

2010: Round 7: Zac Robinson - sucked

2011: Round 3: Ryan Mallett - sucked

2014: Round 2: Jimmy Garoppolo - average at best

2016: Round 3: Jacoby Brissett - average at best

2018: Round 7: Danny Etling - sucked

2019: Round 4: Jarrett Stidham - sucked

 

You clearly haven't done your research, my friend.

 

 

Garoppolo = still in the league 7 years and running, led his team to the Super Bowl and has a career 36-12 record

 

Brissett = still in the league 5 years and running. One of the top back ups in the NFL and a good role player for the Colts 

 

Stidham sucked? He hasn't even played so how would you know? 

 

Hoyer= had an 11 year career in the NFL

 

Matt Cassel = had a 13 year in the NFL 

 

Tom Brady = Best QB of all time 

 

Mac Jones = to be determined

 

6/10 of QBs that BB drafted outplayed their draft status considering the rounds they were taken in and the majority played well past the average 3 year shelf of an average NFL player. I'd actually say he's pretty good at developing QBs, but that's just my opinion and please don't tell me I haven't done the research.

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I’m not worried about either.  Wilson is playing for the Jets, therefore, unlikely to succeed at a high level.  Jones may be fine, but there’s nothing about him that strikes fear into anyone.  Wilson has pretty elite arm, but hasn’t faced real competition and is going to, let’s say it again, the Jets. 

The exact same thing was said about Josh Allen. Just saying lol

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I saw this earlier.  

Doesn't scream Leader of Men but we'll see 

[Rigotz]

21 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Garoppolo = still in the league 7 years and running, led his team to the Super Bowl and has a career 36-12 record

 

Brissett = still in the league 5 years and running. One of the top back ups in the NFL and a good role player for the Colts 

 

Stidham sucked? He hasn't even played so how would you know? 

 

Hoyer= had an 11 year career in the NFL

 

Matt Cassel = had a 13 year in the NFL 

 

Tom Brady = Best QB of all time 

 

Mac Jones = to be determined

 

6/10 of QBs that BB drafted outplayed their draft status considering the rounds they were taken in and the majority played well past the average 3 year shelf of an average NFL player. I'd actually say he's pretty good at developing QBs, but that's just my opinion and please don't tell me I haven't done the research.

 

 

 

 

 

Is this a joke? Stidham played last year and was garbage any time he was in.

 

Are we really giving participation trophies to 2nd and 3rd round picks?

 

Nobody on that list is an above average quarterback. Period. 
 

San Francisco drafted a QB at #3 because the current guy isn’t good enough and he’s the best out of all of Belichick’s failures.

 

How are you arguing any of this??

[Warcodered]

26 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Stidham sucked? He hasn't even played so how would you know?

Didn't he lose the job to last years Cam Newton?

[WotAGuy]

The real question is whose Mom is hotter? Zach’s is tough to top (and I wish I meant that literally).

[TBBills]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You need to be able to grow facial hair of you want to lead men on a field. 

 

They picked Darnold who wasn't a leader and now go for a kid who looks like he forgot to hit puberty and will be timid in the face of real men

 

[Malazan]

25 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

The real question is whose Mom is hotter? Zach’s is tough to top (and I wish I meant that literally).

 

His GF looks just like his mother though which is pretty creppy

[Motorin']

4 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Wilson creeps me out, he's like something from a teen Disney romcom and I'd bet my bank account he waxes his legs and bikini line. 

 

Saying that, he's gifted and though I'd like to laugh at the Jets, they were doing the same thing when we drafted Allen. With the right coaching and the right environment you never know what might happen. Of course it would be hilarious to see him fail so I can see the crying on gang green

 

Darnold 2.0