dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Gregory Rousseau (Bills) Jerry Hughes (Indy) Vernon Butler (Carolina) Star Lotulelei (Carolina) Ed Oliver (Bills) That's a helluva lot of first rounders on the d-line. There are no first rounders on the o-line. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 reasons I like Rousseau: 1 - it rhymes with Gastineau, and Mark was a damn good player 2 - it ends with Seau, and Junior was a damn good player 3 - it rhymes with Larusso, and Daniel was damn good at karate "Gregory Rousseau is gonna play? Gregory Rousseau's gonna play!" 2 2 10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 @AKC -- Makes me think of you and your old arguments about d-line equity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 This front office has definitely invested a ton of capital into the defensive line. Also, technically Espenesa is as well since he was our first pick 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Throw Edmunds and Tre in there and you have 7 1st Round picks on defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Daboll is likely showing this to Beane right now with various threats if he takes a corner in round 2 4 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Daboll is likely showing this to Beane right now with various threats if he takes a corner in round 2 10 minutes ago, H2o said: Throw Edmunds and Tre in there and you have 7 1st Round picks on defense. Other than Allen I don’t think there’s a first round pick on the whole offense - unless you want to count Diggs since we traded one away for him. Still, he was a 5th rounder originally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Daboll is likely showing this to Beane right now with various threats if he takes a corner in round 2 People act like the Packers slighted Rodgers by going heavy defense but is his offense that much worse than ours? We did a great job getting Allen help the past two years, but to only replace Brown with Sanders this off-season would be Green Bay like behavior. I was/am definitely expecting a playmaker when we’re asking Allen to beat teams consistently going 4 wide because our proven talent resides in pass pro and 4 wrs, with “hope” we can develop a running game/tight end play. Edited April 30, 2021 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Gregory Rousseau (Bills) Jerry Hughes (Indy) Vernon Butler (Carolina) Star Lotulelei (Carolina) Ed Oliver (Bills) That's a helluva lot of first rounders on the d-line. There are no first rounders on the o-line. I don't know if anyone else caught the interview, was during the playoffs I think where Daboll (sounding a little testy) said "we have only one first round pick on offense" in response to a question. Now I think Beane most certainly counts Diggs as a first-round pick given that's what we gave up to get him, but the point stands. "To Whom Much is Given, Much is Expected" I think it's fair to say at this point our DL/D as a whole under-performed last season given the number of former first-rounders AND the amount of cap $$ invested in it. Time for all the top draft picks invested on DL (including AJ Epenesa last year, and Harrison Phillips) to step up, stand up, and deliver. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: 3 reasons I like Rousseau: 1 - it rhymes with Gastineau, and Mark was a damn good player 2 - it ends with Seau, and Junior was a damn good player 3 - it rhymes with Larusso, and Daniel was damn good at karate "Gregory Rousseau is gonna play? Gregory Rousseau's gonna play!" How about ROUUUSS rhymes with BRUUUUCE? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 That's a lot of 1st rounders for a position that still looks to need help. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, without a drought said: That's a lot of 1st rounders for a position that still looks to need help. Smaller, quicker (except for Star) is fine until it's not. We need more beef. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Gregory Rousseau (Bills) Jerry Hughes (Indy) Vernon Butler (Carolina) Star Lotulelei (Carolina) Ed Oliver (Bills) That's a helluva lot of first rounders on the d-line. There are no first rounders on the o-line. You are creating expectations with this post lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, SCBills said: People act like the Packers slighted Rodgers by going heavy defense but is his offense that much worse than ours? Would you rather defend Diggs*Beasley*Brown*Davis or Adams*Valdez-Scantling*Tonyan*Lazard ? I know my answer. Beasley came within one injury of breaking 1000 yds and in his last 2 seasons would have been #2 in yards on GB. Brown had >1000 yds last year and arguably would have had another 800+ yd season Green Bay has a long history of cheaping it at the receiver position and asking Rodgers to do a lot, with a little. They're also way overdue for an investment on OL. Quote We did a great job getting Allen help the past two years, but to only replace Brown with Sanders this off-season would be Green Bay like behavior. We're starting from a different place, except at TE. And Sanders is at a different level as a WR. His worst season of the last 3 years would make him the #2 receiver on GB. Quote I was/am definitely expecting a playmaker when we’re asking Allen to beat teams consistently going 4 wide because our proven talent resides in pass pro and 4 wrs, with “hope” we can develop a running game/tight end play. We'll see. I'd actually like to see a C/G taken high and developed as a Morse replacement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know if anyone else caught the interview, was during the playoffs I think where Daboll (sounding a little testy) said "we have only one first round pick on offense" in response to a question. Now I think Beane most certainly counts Diggs as a first-round pick given that's what we gave up to get him, but the point stands. "To Whom Much is Given, Much is Expected" I think it's fair to say at this point our DL/D as a whole under-performed last season given the number of former first-rounders AND the amount of cap $$ invested in it. Time for all the top draft picks invested on DL (including Harrison Phillips) to step up, stand up, and deliver. You are on to something here . We have a huge cap commitment to this area of the team and frankly, the expected production is not there. I never looked at the draft pick investment and that is concerning to me as well, with a HC and GM who want pressure with the front 4, this isn't a good looking baby Edited April 30, 2021 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 43 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Gregory Rousseau (Bills) Jerry Hughes (Indy) Vernon Butler (Carolina) Star Lotulelei (Carolina) Ed Oliver (Bills) That's a helluva lot of first rounders on the d-line. There are no first rounders on the o-line. And yet, The Bills D-line does not strike terror into the hearts of opponents. Oliver needs to step up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: People act like the Packers slighted Rodgers by going heavy defense but is his offense that much worse than ours? We did a great job getting Allen help the past two years, but to only replace Brown with Sanders this off-season would be Green Bay like behavior. I was/am definitely expecting a playmaker when we’re asking Allen to beat teams consistently going 4 wide because our proven talent resides in pass pro and 4 wrs, with “hope” we can develop a running game/tight end play. Rodgers would be hard pressed to find a team with a better WR1 than he has now not to mention they paid Aaron Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Would you rather defend Diggs*Beasley*Brown*Davis or Adams*Valdez-Scantling*Tonyan*Lazard ? I know my answer. Beasley came within one injury of breaking 1000 yds and in his last 2 seasons would have been #2 in yards on GB. Brown had >1000 yds last year and arguably would have had another 800+ yd season Green Bay has a long history of cheaping it at the receiver position and asking Rodgers to do a lot, with a little. They're also way overdue for an investment on OL. We're starting from a different place, except at TE. And Sanders is at a different level as a WR. His worst season of the last 3 years would make him the #2 receiver on GB. We'll see. I'd actually like to see a C/G taken high and developed as a Morse replacement. Id take our WR’s, and Tonyan is a threat we hope Knox can become, but Rodgers - like Allen - has a good OL, and unlike Allen, has a running game with a beast running back. If, and I certainly hope to be proven wrong tonight, but if we dont invest more in offense, I’m thinking Daboll and Allen could justifiably sideeye this off-season ..... and of course I don’t mean they’d be angry, but perhaps, mindful, that no real investment was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Oliver needs to step up this year. Your lips to God's ears. Time for little Ed to fish or cut bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: People act like the Packers slighted Rodgers by going heavy defense but is his offense that much worse than ours? We did a great job getting Allen help the past two years, but to only replace Brown with Sanders this off-season would be Green Bay like behavior. I was/am definitely expecting a playmaker when we’re asking Allen to beat teams consistently going 4 wide because our proven talent resides in pass pro and 4 wrs, with “hope” we can develop a running game/tight end play. No trades, no Fa signings. Aaron Rodgers issues are from an organization run without an owner. The end of the day Kraft told Bill to stand down to Brady. To never draft a first rd skill player in Aarons career is shameful. Not making a move to increase the offense the past 2 years is shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 On offense we have a QB who makes the machine go and we went out and got him the best friend , a true #1 WR, plus one of the best slot WR's in football, we have a decent OL and 2 capable RB's. The defense lost us that championship game against KC imo, again it's just my opinion. Not putting pressure on Mahomes was the reason he literally picked us apart. Rosseau was a great pick up I'd now seriously address the CB position and Samuel, again imo is the best zone corner or top 3 in this draft class and would be a huge addition, this is where I'd trade up and nail 2 of our biggest needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Add in a recent 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 1st rounder at MLB. No more excuses. If this defense doesn't take a huge step this year then we really need to start questioning McBeane's ability to assemble a quality defense. If Edmunds and Oliver suck because they need a stud 1T to be successful then, newsflash, they just suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Process said: Add in a recent 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 1st rounder at MLB. No more excuses. If this defense doesn't take a huge step this year then we really need to start questioning McBeane's ability to assemble a quality defense. I don't think you'll find much argument there. 36 minutes ago, Process said: If Edmunds and Oliver suck because they need a stud 1T to be successful then, newsflash, they just suck. On the other hand, this is silliness. It's like saying "if your center sucks because he needs decent guards to be successful, newsflash he just sucks" Funny how much better Eric Woods looked in 2015 playing between Incognito and Miller than he looked in 2014 playing between Pears and Urbik Trivia: Miller was much maligned here, but he is still in the league and started 14 games last season. Urbik and Pears, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Gregory Rousseau (Bills) Jerry Hughes (Indy) Vernon Butler (Carolina) Star Lotulelei (Carolina) Ed Oliver (Bills) That's a helluva lot of first rounders on the d-line. There are no first rounders on the o-line. I get a little bit of an Aaron Maybin vibe in regards to Rouseau so I'll admit that it scares me. Tall, lanky defensive end w/ one monster year, but has loads & loads of potential. Regardless, Beane and McD have no more excuses. With five first rounders AND a mid-second rounder, they better start producing! All in all, I have faith that we will have an efficient pass rush coming this season. I can't wait! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, SCBills said: Id take our WR’s, and Tonyan is a threat we hope Knox can become, but Rodgers - like Allen - has a good OL, and unlike Allen, has a running game with a beast running back. If, and I certainly hope to be proven wrong tonight, but if we dont invest more in offense, I’m thinking Daboll and Allen could justifiably sideeye this off-season ..... and of course I don’t mean they’d be angry, but perhaps, mindful, that no real investment was made. This is why I started to really get on board the ETN train, run more with a lead to grind clock and reduce allen and wr wear and tear, but to also keep defenses honest and have a back who is really good running and catching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Ed Oliver is welcome to show up any time he wants now and help this team. With all these bodies, the Bills could trade him prior to 2021 season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I get a little bit of an Aaron Maybin vibe in regards to Rouseau so I'll admit that it scares me. Tall, lanky defensive end w/ one monster year, but has loads & loads of potential. Regardless, Beane and McD have no more excuses. With five first rounders AND a mid-second rounder, they better start producing! All in all, I have faith that we will have an efficient pass rush coming this season. I can't wait! 🙂 A bit if a difference in draft spots though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Ed Oliver is welcome to show up any time he wants now and help this team. With all these bodies, the Bills could trade him prior to 2021 season. Even I'm willing to give him one more year. But REALLY need to see something, anything out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: A bit if a difference in draft spots though That's true. If he didn't opt out and maintained his production for another season then he probably would've went in the top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: This is why I started to really get on board the ETN train, run more with a lead to grind clock and reduce allen and wr wear and tear, but to also keep defenses honest and have a back who is really good running and catching. Agreed, but not sure I’d be on board with tossing in a 2nd or 3rd to get to where we need to have drafted him. Elijah Moore was the guy I wanted there once Etienne came off the board. Id like Rousseau if it didn’t seem like an annual rite of passage for Bills fans to watch this team draft defense early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: People act like the Packers slighted Rodgers by going heavy defense but is his offense that much worse than ours? We did a great job getting Allen help the past two years, but to only replace Brown with Sanders this off-season would be Green Bay like behavior. I was/am definitely expecting a playmaker when we’re asking Allen to beat teams consistently going 4 wide because our proven talent resides in pass pro and 4 wrs, with “hope” we can develop a running game/tight end play. Short answer is yes. I would imagine that Rodgers looks at the fact that they've essentially invested nothing on the offensive side of the ball for at least the past 5 years now and despite that, the defense has never been great either. I think there's a fair argument to be made that when you have a QB like Rodgers that can elevate his teammates, it makes sense to try to stack the other side of the ball so that you end up with an elite offense and elite defense. But they've tried to do that and still end up with a below-average defense almost every year. The few early picks they've spent on offense haven't worked out either. Their last 5 drafts they've spent their Day 1 and Day 2 picks on: 2016: DT, OT (who has never been a starter), OLB 2017: CB, S, DT 2018: CB, CB, LB 2019: LB, S, C, TE (who has barely gotten snaps) 2020: QB, RB (who was a reach at the time and is now locked in as a backup), TE (who was generally a healthy scratch). Their offensive weapons are still decent but the WR group is very bland after Adams and they opted not to address it all last year when it was considered one of the deepest classes you'll ever have and instead basically punted all of their picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: No trades, no Fa signings. Aaron Rodgers issues are from an organization run without an owner. The end of the day Kraft told Bill to stand down to Brady. To never draft a first rd skill player in Aarons career is shameful. Not making a move to increase the offense the past 2 years is shameful. Jordan Love aside, they added 5 offensive players in last years draft along with Funchess and Austin in FA. Year before that was very weak offensively, but they added a starting guard in FA and nabbed Elgton Jenkins in the draft who made the probowl last year. They certainly haven’t gone all in like the Bucs did after acquiring Brady, but Rodgers was playing with more talent than most other QBs… two all pros and a probowler on the offensive line, all pro WR, pro bowl RB, and a TE that should have been in the probowl. There aren’t many teams he could go to who have more talent on that side of the ball, especially teams that are saddled with a top end QB contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 That’s a lot of USDA prime beef for a mediocre steak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Even I'm willing to give him one more year. But REALLY need to see something, anything out of him Unfortunately, instead of being a physical mismatch, Oliver has been undersized. If you could get a 4th or 5th for him, might be about time to ship him. That's a big cost for no production though, so how likely is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Unfortunately, instead of being a physical mismatch, Oliver has been undersized. If you could get a 4th or 5th for him, might be about time to ship him. That's a big cost for no production though, so how likely is that? You can't ship out a No. 9 overall pick two seasons after he shows up. That's silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Unfortunately, instead of being a physical mismatch, Oliver has been undersized. If you could get a 4th or 5th for him, might be about time to ship him. That's a big cost for no production though, so how likely is that? nah, too much invested at this point. But if he registers another 3 sack season, it's time for him to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: You can't ship out a No. 9 overall pick two seasons after he shows up. That's silly. It's this season, and competition on that line is heating up. Butler, Star, Phillips, Zimmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Id take our WR’s, and Tonyan is a threat we hope Knox can become, but Rodgers - like Allen - has a good OL, and unlike Allen, has a running game with a beast running back. The Packers had a top-10 rushing attack, no question on that point. 1 hour ago, SCBills said: If, and I certainly hope to be proven wrong tonight, but if we dont invest more in offense, I’m thinking Daboll and Allen could justifiably sideeye this off-season ..... and of course I don’t mean they’d be angry, but perhaps, mindful, that no real investment was made. I can't quite agree on the "no real investment". I think most people around the league view Sanders, even long in the tooth, as an upgrade to Brown. He's not as fast (when Brown is fully healthy), but health seems to be an issue for Brown and he's a good route runner. Sanders can make a DB leave his jock on the field and he's a real "open when covered" threat. Sanders was the only FA signed with a real investment of cap dollars. And of course, re-signing Williams, Feliciano, and Boettger, as well as stocking up on a couple FA OLmen and Hollister, can't be viewed as "imaginary" investment. Backup QB was also an investment but Allen I'm sure hopes that never comes into play 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: Jordan Love aside, they added 5 offensive players in last years draft along with Funchess and Austin in FA. Year before that was very weak offensively, but they added a starting guard in FA and nabbed Elgton Jenkins in the draft who made the probowl last year. They certainly haven’t gone all in like the Bucs did after acquiring Brady, but Rodgers was playing with more talent than most other QBs… two all pros and a probowler on the offensive line, all pro WR, pro bowl RB, and a TE that should have been in the probowl. There aren’t many teams he could go to who have more talent on that side of the ball, especially teams that are saddled with a top end QB contract. Funchess and Austin is scrapping the bottom of the barrel for talent. I get it that every year you can snapshot the draft and explain it. Every year? Talks about it publicly and they trade up into the first rd for a Qb. Rodgers is right to be put out. If GB had an owner they wouldnt alienate him. Imo the brass looks at Rodgers as he is easily replacable. Now they are saving face with the fan base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted April 30, 2021 Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: 3 reasons I like Rousseau: 1 - it rhymes with Gastineau, and Mark was a damn good player 2 - it ends with Seau, and Junior was a damn good player 3 - it rhymes with Larusso, and Daniel was damn good at karate "Gregory Rousseau is gonna play? Gregory Rousseau's gonna play!" Name me one Frenchman who has had a positive impact on the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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