Trade 1 for a young proven player

[dbfla10]

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

[djp14150]

No.....  

[teef]

no.

[SCBills]

Why draft a good young player on a rookie contract when you can use that pick to pay a good young player on a second contract.

[BigAl2526]

Cars get a bit cheaper after they've been broken in.  Good, young, proven veterans get more expensive, both as free agents and trade targets.

[dbfla10]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Why draft a good young player on a rookie contract when you can use that pick to pay a good young player on a second contract.

Get a guy that impacts immediately. Trading for a sure thing, could miss on the draft pick.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, dbfla10 said:

Get a guy that impacts immediately. Trading for a sure thing, could miss on the draft pick.

 

We need to hit on rookie contract guys in order to stay competitive when Josh Allen's contract hits.   We can swing a Diggs trade once in a while, but that can't become a regular thing. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

32 years old, but Julio Jones can be had, would Dallas trade one of their WRs to save dollars, would Washington deal one of their DEs, are the Steelers willing to sell off any of their parts (maybe not because they are going for one last run with Ben), can you get KJ Wright to leave Seattle? 

 

My guess is, every organization looks over the rosters/salaries on other teams and thinks up possible trade scenarios. 

[dbfla10]

Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

32 years old, but Julio Jones can be had, would Dallas trade one of their WRs to save dollars, would Washington deal one of their DEs, are the Steelers willing to sell off any of their parts (maybe not because they are going for one last run with Ben), can you get KJ Wright to leave Seattle? 

 

My guess is, every organization looks over the rosters/salaries on other teams and thinks up possible trade scenarios. 

Isnt KJ Wright a FA?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

There are only two spots on the roster that would make sense.  Edge and TE.   There are only a few TE's in the league worthy of giving up a first round pick, and none of them would be traded by their respective teams.  That leave edge rusher. As has been pointed out the cost of a veteran edge is substantial.  They don't have the cap space to pull that off.  

They need to get younger on the DL.

Beane just needs to make some solid moves and picks.  Just come away with one additional dynamic player on offense - RB or TE and an edge rusher early and add depth at center, CB, 1-tech DT.

 

[Just Joshin']

18 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

Any suggestions?  These threads work better if you start with some ideas.

[CaptnCoke11]

Such terrible logic 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, dbfla10 said:

Isnt KJ Wright a FA?

Yes he is, but you know what I mean. 

 

I would think if you want a proven starter, it takes combing through rosters/salary cap numbers and seeing if there are trades that can be made. 

 

The Falcons have a new Coach and up against the salary cap, maybe after tonight they are starting a full rebuild, or one last run with Matt Ryan, maybe some of their talent might be on the block. 

 

The Eagles are former contender, do they give up a Brandon Graham for instance?

[HOUSE]

Teef says no..

[dbfla10]

3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Such terrible logic 

Terrible logic? drafting at 30 the bills are drafting a 2nd round pick UNLESS they get lucky and a guy on their board falls to them. Any given yr teams usually only have 15-20 guys with 1st round grades. IF the bills can trade for a guy with immediate impact it is well worth it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

This is where JJ Watt was a miss. 

 

It's not on the Bills if he didn't want to come here, but you're talking about difference makers, and there have been a few of those names dangled this offseason. 

 

Maybe the Browns would come off a Tight End, almost certainly that TE would be Njoku. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

45 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

Yes, McCaffrey or Kupp.

[Aussie Joe]

20 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

Terrible logic? drafting at 30 the bills are drafting a 2nd round pick UNLESS they get lucky and a guy on their board falls to them. Any given yr teams usually only have 15-20 guys with 1st round grades. IF the bills can trade for a guy with immediate impact it is well worth it. 

How much spare money have they got to pay this proven performer they are trading for?

 

We know Beane doesn’t like kicking the can down the road salary cap wise

 

 

 

[Governor]

Khalil Mack

[Brennan Huff]

31 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Such terrible logic 

Worked for us last season 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Hapless Bills Fan]

58 minutes ago, dbfla10 said:

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

1. no

2. as others have pointed out and Beane himself has said - we need to start relying on cost-controlled labor ie draft picks

[Victory Formation]

Khalil Mack perhaps, but he’s 30-31 years old at this point. Even if we gave up a 1 for him I’d want at least a 3rd back.

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

We need to hit on rookie contract guys in order to stay competitive when Josh Allen's contract hits.   We can swing a Diggs trade once in a while, but that can't become a regular thing. 

 

If there genuinely was a Diggs level talent as a pass rusher hitting the market that could be had for a similar package I would be all for doing such a trade. However there just wasn't that player on the market. Sometimes your needs and what is on the market don't align and you have to try and take a chance in the draft.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

If there genuinely was a Diggs level talent as a pass rusher hitting the market that could be had for a similar package I would be all for doing such a trade. However there just wasn't that player on the market. Sometimes your needs and what is on the market don't align and you have to try and take a chance in the draft.

 

I would actually agree with this.  99% chance this would never happen, but if Chicago needed more draft ammo to trade up with Atlanta - I'd be willing to check in on Khalil Mack knowing he can't be involved in a trade with ATL due to their cap constraints. 

 

But i'm only doing that for elite players. 

 

Edited April 29, 2021 by SCBills

[dbfla10]

Is Dante Fowler worth the risk? Personally i dont think so, but the falcons are in much need of cap space. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

What ever happened to all that Hunter (MIN - DE) chatter?

 

We traded, among other things, a 1st to them last year for a vet. 

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

Is there a player out there, that the bills could trade there 1 for that could be available? Player under 27 yrs old, that could step in right away. Similar to what the Rams have been doing.

[Mr. WEO]

can't wait for the draft to start.....if only to end these.

[RyanC883]

Love this idea, not sure who is out there that fits the young, proven player for pick 30?  

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Khalil Mack perhaps, but he’s 30-31 years old at this point. Even if we gave up a 1 for him I’d want at least a 3rd back.

 

I'd trade a 1st for Mack.  I think he has 3-4 years left of elite production.  

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

 

I would actually agree with this.  99% chance this would never happen, but if Chicago needed more draft ammo to trade up with Atlanta - I'd be willing to check in on Khalil Mack knowing he can't be involved in a trade with ATL due to their cap constraints. 

 

But i'm only doing that for elite players. 

 

 

Chicago just redid Mack's deal which makes him impossible to trade. I would have explored that possibility too as a Mack type pass rusher would have been a big help to the defense. But once again the market isn't aligning to help the Bills at this point.  

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Love this idea, not sure who is out there that fits the young, proven player for pick 30?  

 

I'd trade a 1st for Mack.  I think he has 3-4 years left of elite production.  

 

Even if Mack has 2 years left of elite production I would trade pick 30 for that. The Bills window to win is now and having an elite pass rusher is what this team is missing filling that hole for 2 years would be worth the 30th pick in a so/so draft for a college football year that was a full on Covid-19 season. 

[djp14150]

9 hours ago, dbfla10 said:

Get a guy that impacts immediately. Trading for a sure thing, could miss on the draft pick.

value of a trading for a 1st for established p,ayer— buyer beware. Many nfl players are products of system the play. Stats do t factor in teammate br efit.

 

i e seen too many trades of player for 1st and player  busted.

 

let’s not forget cap space...buffalo has none other than the slot where their picks are

 

 

[Jay_Fixit]

If it’s for George Kittle, I’m in.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Think it depends on the position. IMO RB and CB are two positions that a rookie can come in and contribute right away and be pretty effective at it. So if you were going to draft one of those positions, I'd say no, take the rookie.  Other positions like Edge, TE have longer learning curve so may be worth it there.