McShay Mock Draft 4.0

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

I think my post was unclear. I believe they would have him spell Ed Oliver with the odd turn at 1-tech if there were an injury so we don't have to slide Oliver over. Remember we should have both Phillips and Star back this year. I wouldn't draft Onwuzurike to play 1-tech. I do believe they would move him though when the situation calls for because Beane loves players who are multiple. 

 

For sure. But if they ever want Ed to be worth his pick he needs to play 60%+ of the snaps. Can you get value out of Onwu as a 2nd rounder playing less than 40% of the snaps.... and McShay says he can slide in alongside Ed... he can't. 

[ndirish1978]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

For sure. But if they ever want Ed to be worth his pick he needs to play 60%+ of the snaps. Can you get value out of Onwu as a 2nd rounder playing less than 40% of the snaps.... and McShay says he can slide in alongside Ed... he can't. 

 

Yeah I agree McShay's reasoning is wrong and i don't love the pick. But outside of TE/CB I don't see a rookie 2nd rounder coming in and playing more than 40% of snaps anywhere on the roster. DE and RB are needs, but I don't see the talent in this draft at those positions to unseat the players we have starting currently. Oliver needs to be given the opportunity to step up and earn his 5th year option, I still think he can do that with a rookie playing behind him. We need better quality competition on the Dline, so I wouldn't complain about drafting a backup in the 2nd and 3rd. Phillips may be one of the only DEs we could draft that might have a shot at starting for us.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31165378/nfl-mock-draft-2021-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-plus-where-seven-qbs-land

 

JOK to Giants at #15

Etieene to the Jets at #23

Najee Harris to the Steelers at #24

 

30. Buffalo Bills

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

The top two running backs are off the board, and it's a little early for Javonte Williams (North Carolina). So why not inject some life into a middle-of-the-road pass rush instead -- especially with Jerry Hughes turning 33 before the season. Phillips had 8.0 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss in 2020.

 

61. Buffalo Bills

Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington

The Bills finally halt Onwuzurike's slide down the board. He is my No. 35 prospect, but there aren't many teams searching for a defensive tackle right now. And while Buffalo might have preferred a running back, tight end or offensive tackle, Onwuzurike is sudden and creates havoc. He could slide in next to Ed Oliver.

Would love this draft. Then add a TE and a C/OT in the next two rounds. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

I have questions on Philipps and I am not sure I would take him as our 1st round pick (or at all). Concussions and already retired once to pursue other life aspirations? I've said in other posts, we already have Morse in that program... Is he done if he gets another concussion? Would we really want to spend a first on Phillip's given his past? Seems like quite a risk to me...🤔

Edited April 1, 2021 by LyndonvilleBill

[Motor26]

Replace Onwu with a CB and pick up a DT in the 5th is the route I’d prefer them to go. IOL in the 3rd.

Edited April 1, 2021 by Motor26

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, TailgateChef said:

I like the value pick at 61....but are we looking for another light DT?  Grab a giant space-eater in the later rounds to tie up double teams and free up Ed and the D Ends (T. Shelvin, B. Brown, T. Slaton could all fit the bill).

 

agree.  I don’t mind the 61 pick, but would draft something else and Shelvin in Rd. 3. 

[Motor26]

Just now, RyanC883 said:

 

agree.  I don’t mind the 61 pick, but would draft something else and Shelvin in Rd. 3. 

 

Haven’t watched much of Shelvin. Is he a pure space eater? I don’t think the Bills should take a guy that is only for run defense before round 5. 

[RyanC883]

8 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

Haven’t watched much of Shelvin. Is he a pure space eater? I don’t think the Bills should take a guy that is only for run defense before round 5. 

 

I’m fine with pure run D guy like him prior to 5.  he projectes as having pass rush ability.  

[Rocket94]

3 hours ago, gobills404 said:

if we get jaelan phillips then I'll be happy no matter who we pick after that

If the Bills are convinced that Phillips can stay on the field...then I like that pick. He still has ceiling!

[TailgateChef]

27 minutes ago, Motor26 said:

 

Haven’t watched much of Shelvin. Is he a pure space eater? I don’t think the Bills should take a guy that is only for run defense before round 5. 

Take a look:  matched against several future early-round draft-pick Olinemen (Leatherwood, D. Brown, Dickerson, J. Wills, etc).  Thoughts?

 

[Green Lightning]

We need a big body 1-tech, not another 3 Tech. Oh to have Ted Washington again.

[AmishRifle]

3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What a bunch of professionals on this board!  I’m duly impressed.  I thought for sure somebody would slide in with a “I’d like a piece of that” type comment.  But, nope, not this board.  

[djp14150]

5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31165378/nfl-mock-draft-2021-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-plus-where-seven-qbs-land

 

JOK to Giants at #15

Etieene to the Jets at #23

Najee Harris to the Steelers at #24

 

30. Buffalo Bills

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

The top two running backs are off the board, and it's a little early for Javonte Williams (North Carolina). So why not inject some life into a middle-of-the-road pass rush instead -- especially with Jerry Hughes turning 33 before the season. Phillips had 8.0 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss in 2020.

 

61. Buffalo Bills

Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington

The Bills finally halt Onwuzurike's slide down the board. He is my No. 35 prospect, but there aren't many teams searching for a defensive tackle right now. And while Buffalo might have preferred a running back, tight end or offensive tackle, Onwuzurike is sudden and creates havoc. He could slide in next to Ed Oliver.

 

I would not draft 2 for the same area in rounds 1 and 2.

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

 

I would not draft 2 for the same area in rounds 1 and 2.

 

Weird rule, especially considering our Front 7 was the weak link last year, and the positions are so different, but ok.

[Don Otreply]

I heard Todd McShay was traded to Fox News in a player for player swap with Tucker Carlson.... 

[Putin]

5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I do like Phillips FWIW, but neither help me this year.  Epenesa will have a bigger impact than an Edge 30.

 

I'm not sure if Beane sits back or moves up, but my money is on CB

 

 

I think J Phillips is the best DE in this draft and if he’s there at 30 I’m pretty sure he’ll be a Buffalo Bill , I just think he’ll be gone by  pick 20 

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, TailgateChef said:

I like the value pick at 61....but are we looking for another light DT?  Grab a giant space-eater in the later rounds to tie up double teams and free up Ed and the D Ends (T. Shelvin, B. Brown, T. Slaton could all fit the bill).

If we are building an offense to put up points I’m cool with our defensive line being a bit speedier to get to the qb in a shootout 

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Weird rule, especially considering our Front 7 was the weak link last year, and the positions are so different, but ok.

Plus prospects that late are maybe a coin flip? Doubling up helps the odds

[Canadian Bills Fan]

The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with CB/Edge in rounds 1 and 2

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, AmishRifle said:

What a bunch of professionals on this board!  I’m duly impressed.  I thought for sure somebody would slide in with a “I’d like a piece of that” type comment.  But, nope, not this board.  

A piece?? Give me the whole pie!! I ❤️ LaNova pizza & wings!!

[KOKBILLS]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31165378/nfl-mock-draft-2021-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-plus-where-seven-qbs-land

 

JOK to Giants at #15

Etieene to the Jets at #23

Najee Harris to the Steelers at #24

 

30. Buffalo Bills

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

The top two running backs are off the board, and it's a little early for Javonte Williams (North Carolina). So why not inject some life into a middle-of-the-road pass rush instead -- especially with Jerry Hughes turning 33 before the season. Phillips had 8.0 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss in 2020.

 

61. Buffalo Bills

Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington

The Bills finally halt Onwuzurike's slide down the board. He is my No. 35 prospect, but there aren't many teams searching for a defensive tackle right now. And while Buffalo might have preferred a running back, tight end or offensive tackle, Onwuzurike is sudden and creates havoc. He could slide in next to Ed Oliver.

 

Not a fan of these 2 picks at all...

 

I personally would not touch Phillips. The concussion deal scares me too much, especially using a 1st Rd. pick. Admittedly he's deserving as a football player, but the head injury deal is just too much of a risk for me. 

 

And Onwuzurike does not address what I think the Bills need inside. He's a sub 300 lb DT who definitely moves well, but I saw some tackling issues on tape that concerned me. I was just as impressed, if not more, by Daviyon Nixon...

 

I'd MUCH rather the Bills reach for Shelvin at the end of the 2nd because I know exactly what they will get...Not saying I'd take Shelvin at #61 because I do think it's a little early. But I'll take Shelvin over Onwuzurike for the Bills needs all day...And I think Shelvin's ceiling may be higher if he can lose 25 lbs or so and embrace NFL-level training...

[TailgateChef]

9 hours ago, NoSaint said:

If we are building an offense to put up points I’m cool with our defensive line being a bit speedier to get to the qb in a shootout 

We already have the "fixins" (Ed, Tremaine, AJ, Jerry)....where's the BEEF?!

[MrSarcasm]

I think I will skip the draft again this year.

Its interesting, I had watched every draft since 98' up to 2019. Why did I stop watching? 

 

Buffalo started winning/picking later in the draft. I love not having to watch the draft.

[Reed83HOF]

12 hours ago, Putin said:

I think J Phillips is the best DE in this draft and if he’s there at 30 I’m pretty sure he’ll be a Buffalo Bill , I just think he’ll be gone by  pick 20 

Oh I like Phillips and yes he will be gone. 

[Back2Buff]

The way I look at it, if you can get one of the top CBs (Horn, Farley, Newsome, Surtain) you take him.  If not, you look to trade out, or you take Etienne (if he is there) or you reach for Freiermuth.  We have the type of DEs that will be available at 30 already.  None of them are all that special.  

 

I just don't see the value in drafting a back up at 30 either.  We haven't gotten better in FA, we need to get a player that is an upgrade to what we currently have starting.

[aristocrat]

Would you do the Julio Jones trade to get Kyle pitts?

[TheBeaneBandit]

35 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

The way I look at it, if you can get one of the top CBs (Horn, Farley, Newsome, Surtain) you take him.  If not, you look to trade out, or you take Etienne (if he is there) or you reach for Freiermuth.  We have the type of DEs that will be available at 30 already.  None of them are all that special.  

 

I just don't see the value in drafting a back up at 30 either.  We haven't gotten better in FA, we need to get a player that is an upgrade to what we currently have starting.

You also gotta consider WR of the future. The current group is really only together for this year. There may be a couple prospects at 30 who are tough to pass up.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

You also gotta consider WR of the future. The current group is really only together for this year. There may be a couple prospects at 30 who are tough to pass up.

 

?

 

Diggs has 3 years left

Beasley has 2 years left

Davis has 3 years left on rookie deal

Hodgins has 3 years left on rookie deal

 

Sanders and McKenzie are on 1 year deals, so I guess you could say the entire group is only together for 1 year. But the core of the group is here for a couple more years at least.

[TheBeaneBandit]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

?

 

Diggs has 3 years left

Beasley has 2 years left

Davis has 3 years left on rookie deal

Hodgins has 3 years left on rookie deal

 

Sanders and McKenzie are on 1 year deals, so I guess you could say the entire group is only together for 1 year. But the core of the group is here for a couple more years at least.

Yes I meant Sanders and Beas on the last year of deal. I hope they extend Beasley but a young top talent sure sounds nice too👍 Plus nobody except Diggs a little bit really has "explosive" ability.

Edited April 2, 2021 by TheBeaneBandit
Added word

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Yes I meant Sanders and Beas on the last year of deal. I hope they extend Beasley but a young top talent sure sounds nice too👍 Plus nobody except Diggs a little bit really has "explosive" ability.

 

Agreed on the explosive part. Just not sure we have room on the roster for a new WR this year.

 

Diggs, Sanders, Beasely, Davis, McKenzie is 5, plus Hodgins...

 

I'd like to see McKenzie used more to add some of that explosiveness.

 

Then look to add a WR early in the draft next year after Sanders and McKenzie are gone. Rookies dont need a lot of time to "develop" when they are coming into the system with Josh at QB. He'll get them the ball. We should be able to plug and play next year if needed.

[TheBeaneBandit]

Right on brotherman. I'm just open to the possibility of WR being clear cut BPA at 30. Whatever keeps the train rolling is good by me.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Right on brotherman. I'm just open to the possibility of WR being clear cut BPA at 30. Whatever keeps the train rolling is good by me.

 

Absolutely. At this point, whatever Beane does, I trust him.

[Back2Buff]

2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

You also gotta consider WR of the future. The current group is really only together for this year. There may be a couple prospects at 30 who are tough to pass up.

 

Not going to draft a WR that isn't going to see the field in year 1.  WR have become plug and play.  I'll take one next year.

 

Also, Etienne would have a Kamara like impact on this team.  He would second to third leading in receptions on this team

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Not going to draft a WR that isn't going to see the field in year 1.  WR have become plug and play.  I'll take one next year.

 

Also, Etienne would have a Kamara like impact on this team.  He would second to third leading in receptions on this team

I don't understand...If WR "have become plug and play", then why would a WR we draft at 30 this year not "see the field in year 1"?

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Not going to draft a WR that isn't going to see the field in year 1.  WR have become plug and play.  I'll take one next year.

 

Also, Etienne would have a Kamara like impact on this team.  He would second to third leading in receptions on this team

This years class may be viewed as much better than next. Plus if one is taken at 30 you best believe he's gonna see the field, oh yes lol.

[billspro]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

DE and DT Prospects who people believe should have gone higher than we picked them at is A-Okay for me. 

I wouldn’t expect either of those guys to be available but that would be a heck of a draft day. That’s the nice thing about having a roster that lets you draft BPA. 

19 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

I have questions on Philipps and I am not sure I would take him as our 1st round pick (or at all). Concussions and already retired once to pursue other life aspirations? I've said in other posts, we already have Morse in that program... Is he done if he gets another concussion? Would we really want to spend a first on Phillip's given his past? Seems like quite a risk to me...🤔

He’s a top 5 pick if healthy. That’s easily worth the risk. 

[Bangarang]

17 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

We need a big body 1-tech, not another 3 Tech. Oh to have Ted Washington again.

We need both actually. Oliver is the only quality 3T we have on the roster. Butler and Phillips aren’t good and are in the last year of their contracts. Zimmer is mainly just a JAG with a high motor and gets pushed around a lot.

 

our d-line needs a complete overhaul. It’s full of old and mediocre players with some on the last year of their respective contracts. 

[Green Lightning]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

We need both actually. Oliver is the only quality 3T we have on the roster. Butler and Phillips aren’t good and are in the last year of their contracts. Zimmer is mainly just a JAG with a high motor and gets pushed around a lot.

 

our d-line needs a complete overhaul. It’s full of old and mediocre players with some on the last year of their respective contracts. 

I just posted the below in another thread from today's Athletic.  It's an NFL executive commenting on the Bills' offseason.

 

“They have to fix their defensive line, they have not done that, and this is a bad D-line draft,” an exec said. “If Josh Allen takes another step, it might not matter, but if he regresses, Buffalo is a team that could suddenly miss the playoffs.”

[Bangarang]

Just now, Green Lightning said:

I just posted the below in another thread from today's Athletic.  It's an NFL executive commenting on the Bills' offseason.

 

“They have to fix their defensive line, they have not done that, and this is a bad D-line draft,” an exec said. “If Josh Allen takes another step, it might not matter, but if he regresses, Buffalo is a team that could suddenly miss the playoffs.”

I literally just responded to your posts in the other thread 😆

[Green Lightning]

Just now, Bangarang said:

I literally just responded to your posts in the other thread 😆

Ha, so did I! Great minds....

[Putin]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Agreed on the explosive part. Just not sure we have room on the roster for a new WR this year.

 

Diggs, Sanders, Beasely, Davis, McKenzie is 5, plus Hodgins...

 

I'd like to see McKenzie used more to add some of that explosiveness.

 

Then look to add a WR early in the draft next year after Sanders and McKenzie are gone. Rookies dont need a lot of time to "develop" when they are coming into the system with Josh at QB. He'll get them the ball. We should be able to plug and play next year if needed.

I think it’s better to draft a possible replacement player a year early , so he could learn the system and have at least a little experience plugging in rookies and expect them to perform is just not a good idea (IMO)