Jayson Oweh DE PSU my first round TGT.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, CNYfan said:

I think I agree with this strategy.   Nonetheless the Big Baller sees we lack pass rush.   And  will have to match value and need so I would hope BBB goes with the best football player on the board.

 

Oweh also lacks pass rush.  Sure the measurables are impressive but if he can't do anything with them, what good are they?  I'd rather see what Epenesa does with his frustrating rookie year behind him and Obada does with an increased workload.  I just think that CB and 1-tech are the biggest needs right now.

 

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

A 1tech in the 2nd round?? God no.

 

Why not?  It would be the 29th pick in the 2nd round.  Are you going to wait until the 29th pick in the 3rd round?  They need a rotational player with and an eventual replacement for Star.  The higher he's taken the better he theoretically should be.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Doc

[Bangarang]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Oweh also lacks pass rush.  Sure the measurables are impressive but if he can't do anything with them, what good are they?  I'd rather see what Epenesa does with his frustrating rookie year behind him and Obada does with an increased workload.  I just think that CB and 1-tech are the biggest needs right now.

This mentality is how you end drafting a guy like Torell Troup in the 2nd round. 

CB may be BPA in the 1st but it’s very difficult to see how a space eating 1 tech will be a good pick in the 2nd. 
 

Just draft playmakers regardless of where they play. This team does need help on the d-line in the worst way. There’s no way we should be content at DE. Hughes and Addison are old while Epenesa and Obada seem like nothing more than depth players.

Edited April 18, 2021 by Bangarang

[4merper4mer]

18 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

This mentality is how you end drafting a guy like Torell Troup in the 2nd round. 

CB may be BPA in the 1st but it’s very difficult to see how a space eating 1 tech will be a good pick in the 2nd. 
 

Just draft playmakers regardless of where they play. This team does need help on the d-line in the worst way. There’s no way we should be content at DE. Hughes and Addison are old while Epenesa and Obada seem like nothing more than depth players.

He should change his mentality to preferring guys like Noweh who are bad at football?

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

He was the #1 RB per ESPN and a projected 1st round pick.  SI and Foxsports mocked him in top 10

This is starting to be unhealthy😆

 

Being the #1 RB in that draft is like being the best looking person in an ICU Burn Unit.

 

Who else was relevant? Ryan Matthews maybe? We had FJ and Lynch, albeit disgruntled. We didn't need to take a chance on a scat back. Was he the top RB? Maybe, but he wasn't a Top 10 talent or a need for the Bills.

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

21 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

There’s no way we should be content at DE. Hughes and Addison are old while Epenesa and Obada seem like nothing more than depth players.

Its too early to judge Epenesa. We should know better in this upcoming season. IMO, players drafted at the bottom of the 1st round/2nd round should be given 2 years. 

[Doc]

19 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

This mentality is how you end drafting a guy like Torell Troup in the 2nd round. 

CB may be BPA in the 1st but it’s very difficult to see how a space eating 1 tech will be a good pick in the 2nd. 
 

Just draft playmakers regardless of where they play. This team does need help on the d-line in the worst way. There’s no way we should be content at DE. Hughes and Addison are old while Epenesa and Obada seem like nothing more than depth players.

 

I have no idea from where the idea that you can't/shouldn't take a 1-tech before the 3rd round came?  Again as I asked Scott, are you waiting until the 93rd pick of the draft to take a guy you want to be your 1-tech of the future? 
 

As for those guys being depth, I disagree.  But they're not getting rid of any of them in favor of a rookie.

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I have no idea from where the idea that you can't/shouldn't take a 1-tech before the 3rd round came?  Again as I asked Scott, are you waiting until the 93rd pick of the draft to take a guy you want to be your 1-tech of the future? 
 

As for those guys being depth, I disagree.  But they're not getting rid of any of them in favor of a rookie.

In this specific class, the value for a 1t doesn’t match where you suggest we take him. You’re suggesting we reach for a rotational player just for the sake of filling a need. It’s typically a bad strategy.

 

How could you possibly disagree that Epenesa and Obada are nothing more than depth players right now? Do you think they’re going to be 3 down players in our defense? 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

This is starting to be unhealthy😆

 

Being the #1 RB in that draft is like being the best looking person in an ICU Burn Unit.

 

Who else was relevant? Ryan Matthews maybe? We had FJ and Lynch, albeit disgruntled. We didn't need to take a chance on a scat back. Was he the top RB? Maybe, but he wasn't a Top 10 talent or a need for the Bills.

 

 

Judge a first round RB on their first four years. Smart teams should never pick up the fifth-year option anyway. He didn’t play much from scrimmage in year one, but averaged 14.6 yards for punt returns (elite) and had a huge kickoff return for a TD vs. NE in a game that ended up being a heartbreaking shootout loss, as you’ll recall. He returned a ton of kicks that year. In year 2, he shared duties but averaged over 5 ypc and had 39 catches. He was a game breaker who wasn’t used enough. In year 3, he was straight-up elite, averaging 6 ypc and nearly 11 yards per reception (both genuinely elite for a running back). I watched those games, and the stat sheet production mirrored reality — he was a game breaker. Then, in season 4, Marrone gets rid of the Gailey offense, which he excelled in, and puts in a neanderthal-like power offense which required him to power it up through the middle. He still had nearly 1000 yards and 4.6 ypc. Bear in mind that he shared duties with Fred J that year, and Jackson had 900 yards rushing too. The offense sucked, but they did lead the league in rushing attempts and were second in rushing yardage—and Spiller was the lead rusher for them. Then, he gets in Marrone’s dog house the next season, and the injuries hit too. After that he didn’t do much except for putting up decent receiving numbers in 2015 in NO. 
 

The point is, he had a couple of explosive seasons, one of which was fantastic, one pretty decent season in a terrible offense with a terrible qb, and then a slow fizzle. He wasn’t Aaron Maybin or John McCargo. For the four years you expect out of a RB these days, he was a pretty good player. I am NOT saying that spending a top ten pick on a RB is a good idea. It isn’t. But getting picked that high isn’t the back’s fault. Judge him for what he did relative to what one should expect out of the position rather than where he was picked.

[billsbackto81]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Judge a first round RB on their first four years. Smart teams should never pick up the fifth-year option anyway. He didn’t play much from scrimmage in year one, but averaged 14.6 yards for punt returns (elite) and had a huge kickoff return for a TD vs. NE in a game that ended up being a heartbreaking shootout loss, as you’ll recall. He returned a ton of kicks that year. In year 2, he shared duties but averaged over 5 ypc and had 39 catches. He was a game breaker who wasn’t used enough. In year 3, he was straight-up elite, averaging 6 ypc and nearly 11 yards per reception (both genuinely elite for a running back). I watched those games, and the stat sheet production mirrored reality — he was a game breaker. Then, in season 4, Marrone gets rid of the Gailey offense, which he excelled in, and puts in a neanderthal-like power offense which required him to power it up through the middle. He still had nearly 1000 yards and 4.6 ypc. Bear in mind that he shared duties with Fred J that year, and Jackson had 900 yards rushing too. The offense sucked, but they did lead the league in rushing attempts and were second in rushing yardage—and Spiller was the lead rusher for them. Then, he gets in Marrone’s dog house the next season, and the injuries hit too. After that he didn’t do much except for putting up decent receiving numbers in 2015 in NO. 
 

The point is, he had a couple of explosive seasons, one of which was fantastic, one pretty decent season in a terrible offense with a terrible qb, and then a slow fizzle. He wasn’t Aaron Maybin or John McCargo. For the four years you expect out of a RB these days, he was a pretty good player. I am NOT saying that spending a top ten pick on a RB is a good idea. It isn’t. But getting picked that high isn’t the back’s fault. Judge him for what he did relative to what one should expect out of the position rather than where he was picked.

No argument from me dude, I liked the guy. As I mentioned, he didn't pan out but he wasn't a bust. At least to me he wasn't.

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

In this specific class, the value for a 1t doesn’t match where you suggest we take him. You’re suggesting we reach for a rotational player just for the sake of filling a need. It’s typically a bad strategy.

 

How could you possibly disagree that Epenesa and Obada are nothing more than depth players right now? Do you think they’re going to be 3 down players in our defense?

 

The Bills don't play their DEs all 3 downs: they rotate them.  I expect to see Epensa and Obada eventually get more PT than the other guys.

 

As for this draft class at 1-tech, sure there is value at the end of the 2nd round for 1-techs.  Waiting 30 picks later won't help you find a better player.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Oweh also lacks pass rush.  Sure the measurables are impressive but if he can't do anything with them, what good are they?  I'd rather see what Epenesa does with his frustrating rookie year behind him and Obada does with an increased workload.  I just think that CB and 1-tech are the biggest needs right now.

 

 

Why not?  It would be the 29th pick in the 2nd round.  Are you going to wait until the 29th pick in the 3rd round?  They need a rotational player with and an eventual replacement for Star.  The higher he's taken the better he theoretically should be.

Wow.  Just started watching game film of Oweh.  I have no idea how - even with freakish measurables - he can be considered in the first round.  I was open to him as an underdeveloped prospect when I was just reading about him, but the people who say he just isn’t good at football aren’t kidding.  How someone can do so little with so much raw ability is unbelievable.  Whichever team takes him is banking on being able to develop him from ground zero - and that rarely works.  Hard pass on a big investment on any player like that.

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

The Bills don't play their DEs all 3 downs: they rotate them.  I expect to see Epensa and Obada eventually get more PT than the other guys.

 

As for this draft class at 1-tech, sure there is value at the end of the 2nd round for 1-techs.  Waiting 30 picks later won't help you find a better player.

 

 

So you agree that Epenesa and Obada are just depth rotation guys? 
 

Which 1t prospects are projected to go that high? 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Judge a first round RB on their first four years. Smart teams should never pick up the fifth-year option anyway. He didn’t play much from scrimmage in year one, but averaged 14.6 yards for punt returns (elite) and had a huge kickoff return for a TD vs. NE in a game that ended up being a heartbreaking shootout loss, as you’ll recall. He returned a ton of kicks that year. In year 2, he shared duties but averaged over 5 ypc and had 39 catches. He was a game breaker who wasn’t used enough. In year 3, he was straight-up elite, averaging 6 ypc and nearly 11 yards per reception (both genuinely elite for a running back). I watched those games, and the stat sheet production mirrored reality — he was a game breaker. Then, in season 4, Marrone gets rid of the Gailey offense, which he excelled in, and puts in a neanderthal-like power offense which required him to power it up through the middle. He still had nearly 1000 yards and 4.6 ypc. Bear in mind that he shared duties with Fred J that year, and Jackson had 900 yards rushing too. The offense sucked, but they did lead the league in rushing attempts and were second in rushing yardage—and Spiller was the lead rusher for them. Then, he gets in Marrone’s dog house the next season, and the injuries hit too. After that he didn’t do much except for putting up decent receiving numbers in 2015 in NO. 
 

The point is, he had a couple of explosive seasons, one of which was fantastic, one pretty decent season in a terrible offense with a terrible qb, and then a slow fizzle. He wasn’t Aaron Maybin or John McCargo. For the four years you expect out of a RB these days, he was a pretty good player. I am NOT saying that spending a top ten pick on a RB is a good idea. It isn’t. But getting picked that high isn’t the back’s fault. Judge him for what he did relative to what one should expect out of the position rather than where he was picked.

 

 

You lost me at 5th year option.    You are mixing eras.....those didn't exist back then.   The 1st round rookie deals were 5 years when Spiller was drafted(5 years $25M for Spiller).   That was down from Whitner's rookie deal when they were still 6 years long.   The flip side of excuses why he only had one exceptional season is that Gailey designed the system around his limitations to get the most out of him.    Spiller was a very slow thinker on the field.......he literally couldn't understand play calls in the huddle as a rookie.......which is why he didn't play much as a rookie.   He clearly never knew where the play designs were supposed to take him.......a direct contrast to the cerebral Fred Jackson.  Spiller was very, very limited intellectually........as Sean Peyton found out.......he was unplayable in any kind of complex system.    In summation, he was sold as Marshall Faulk 2.0 to justify picking him when RB was one of the few positions that they didn't need.   For a top 10 pick........yeah he was a bust.

Edited April 18, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Its too early to judge Epenesa. We should know better in this upcoming season. IMO, players drafted at the bottom of the 1st round/2nd round should be given 2 years. 

 

 

That works both ways though.   

 

With a team that is perceived as a SB contender you can't just assume that a guy who put up 1 sack on the season will improve dramatically or be good as your primary RDE.

 

He also had a couple head injuries last season so basic availability has to be taken into consideration.

 

When your production is terrible at a key position like that.......it rightfully should be a priority.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[ColoradoBills]

59 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

So you agree that Epenesa and Obada are just depth rotation guys? 
 

Which 1t prospects are projected to go that high? 

 

Epenesa was being brought around slow.  It is a playoff team and why would you throw a rookie into the fire if it wasn't needed?

Starting with game 11 he started to get a lot more snaps.  That is also during the time the D started playing better all around.

 

I can't see how after the limited play of a rookie that anyone can put a definitive label on him. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

So you agree that Epenesa and Obada are just depth rotation guys? 
 

Which 1t prospects are projected to go that high? 

 

Any DE taken by the Bills will be a rotation guy.  That's how they do it.  They play 2 downs at most.

 

As for 1t, Nixon, Tufele and Shelvin are guys who I see gone well before the Bills pick in the 3rd round at 93.  And most likely at least 1 will be gone by the time the Bills pick in the 2nd round at 61.  It's a need.

[Bangarang]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Any DE taken by the Bills will be a rotation guy.  That's how they do it.  They play 2 downs at most.

 

As for 1t, Nixon, Tufele and Shelvin are guys who I see gone well before the Bills pick in the 3rd round at 93.  And most likely at least 1 will be gone by the time the Bills pick in the 2nd round at 61.  It's a need.

I know it’s a need. This d-line is essentially rotation by necessity since we have quantity over quality. 
 

Oliver is the only guy who I think should be getting at least 60% of the snaps. I’m sure McD and Frazier would prefer a DE that can handle that many plays while still being productive. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

On 3/25/2021 at 8:53 PM, JimBob2232 said:

NO.  PSU homer here.  Hard pass. 

Any particular reason?  Do you not think he will attain his “potential” upside?

[JimBob2232]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Any particular reason?  Do you not think he will attain his “potential” upside?

I addressed this once, but reposting again

 

sure.  It’s the potential word.  He is a physical freak of nature. That’s what attracted penn state to him. In his 3 years at penn state he has not been a difference maker. In fact last season he declined in his performance and had ZERO sacks. 
 

sure he is an athletic freak.  Sure he has a high ceiling.  But he is also a 90% bust potential to me. He hasn’t shown any ability to develop that raw talent into on field production.  If he couldn’t do it at penn state in a college environment that has recently done extraordinarily well in developing talent - I highly doubt he is going to do that in on an NFL team who wants instant gratification and validation of their selection. 
 

i hope im wrong (especially if we do pick him).  And I wish him the best.  I just would be terrified of the “potential” word with him.  
 

im all in on parsons and friermuth. But not this kid.  Sorry. 

 

New add:  I saw a post on the PSU forum which i thought was pretty appropriate - as you can imagine this topic on Oweh comes up a lot.  Really 3 points of view.  the PSU homers who are overly optimistic all want him to go in the first round - the higher the better for the program.  Secondly, most think he will go late 1st/early 2nd, But 3rd, if they put their Fantasy GM hat on, most wouldnt touch him until late 2nd/early 3rd due to his "potential". Thats where you can start taking the boom/bust picks IMO.

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by JimBob2232

[CSBill]

He looks great coming off the bus, and in his work out shorts. But game day production, nothing more than average. Arron Maybin was more productive at PSU. Nope, stay away from him, unless its late in round 2.

[buffaloboyinATL]

49 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

I addressed this once, but reposting again

 

sure.  It’s the potential word.  He is a physical freak of nature. That’s what attracted penn state to him. In his 3 years at penn state he has not been a difference maker. In fact last season he declined in his performance and had ZERO sacks. 
 

sure he is an athletic freak.  Sure he has a high ceiling.  But he is also a 90% bust potential to me. He hasn’t shown any ability to develop that raw talent into on field production.  If he couldn’t do it at penn state in a college environment that has recently done extraordinarily well in developing talent - I highly doubt he is going to do that in on an NFL team who wants instant gratification and validation of their selection. 
 

i hope im wrong (especially if we do pick him).  And I wish him the best.  I just would be terrified of the “potential” word with him.  
 

im all in on parsons and friermuth. But not this kid.  Sorry. 

 

New add:  I saw a post on the PSU forum which i thought was pretty appropriate - as you can imagine this topic on Oweh comes up a lot.  Really 3 points of view.  the PSU homers who are overly optimistic all want him to go in the first round - the higher the better for the program.  Secondly, most think he will go late 1st/early 2nd, But 3rd, if they put their Fantasy GM hat on, most wouldnt touch him until late 2nd/early 3rd due to his "potential". Thats where you can start taking the boom/bust picks IMO.

 

Thank you for repeating for me, I appreciate it. I always like to hear the opinion of fans who watch a player throughout their college career. Whenever we draft someone, I always call any friends I have who watch their team regularly, to find out what they think. 
 

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by buffaloboyinATL

[BuffaloRebound]

Edge rushers seem to have highest bust rate.  Throw in the difficulty of scouting these guys the past year, and I think you’re gonna see a lot of these pass rushers go later than the mock drafters are predicting.  

[All I Need is Hope]

If Paye or Ojulari fall to us, I'd grab them over Oweh, no question.  Watch the tape... Ojulari is twitchy, has inside and outside pass rush moves, anticipates plays and hits like a truck.  He's put waaaay more on tape than Oweh.  Same with Paye.  He's a football player and much less risk than Oweh.

[Fan in Chicago]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That works both ways though.   

 

With a team that is perceived as a SB contender you can't just assume that a guy who put up 1 sack on the season will improve dramatically or be good as your primary RDE.

 

He also had a couple head injuries last season so basic availability has to be taken into consideration.

 

When your production is terrible at a key position like that.......it rightfully should be a priority.

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely agree with the need for an impact pass rusher. I think DE/EDGE is one of the top 2 priorities with the second being DT. I will be sorely disappointed if we walk out of Rd 3 without a DE. 

As for Epenesa, my point was that it is too early to say that he will be no more than an average contributor. We all hope we get Game 1 impact players in rd 1 and 2 but it is not very common. Hence, give the kid another season and lets see if he can improve from his underwhelming rookie season.  

 

Edited April 18, 2021 by Fan in Chicago

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Absolutely not denying anything you wrote. I think DE/EDGE is one of the top 2 priorities with the second being DT. I will be sorely disappointed if we walk out of Rd 3 without a DE. 

As for Epenesa, my point was that it is too early to say that he will be no more than an average contributor. We all hope we get Game 1 impact players in rd 1 and 2 but it is not very common. Hence, give the kid another season and lets see if he can improve from his underwhelming rookie season.  

 

 

 

Agree but even if Epenesa turns into a great player he's still just a rotation player in this system.    The other guy(s) gotta' be good too.   Whatever we assume Epenesa will be doesn't really lessen the need there.   It's a long term and short term concern.  Addison and Hughes are very old,  Bam Johnson hasn't produced yet and Obada had almost all of his success rushing from a DT position.    

[just1hugheser]

On 4/17/2021 at 4:46 PM, Kmart128 said:

I wouldnt exactly call Spiller and Whitner blunders.... they were still productive for us. Overreaches yes... in Maybin's caregory as a blunder yes. And TJ Graham was a 3rd round pick whichbis far from a sure thing....

 

 

LOL the problem with Graham in the 3rd was that some of us were screaming at the screen since the pick before to draft Russ Wilson

[just1hugheser]

10 hours ago, All I Need is Hope said:

If Paye or Ojulari fall to us, I'd grab them over Oweh, no question.  Watch the tape... Ojulari is twitchy, has inside and outside pass rush moves, anticipates plays and hits like a truck.  He's put waaaay more on tape than Oweh.  Same with Paye.  He's a football player and much less risk than Oweh.

 

I agree just watch the tape.  Not saying we should draft Paye or Ojulari but compared to Oweh is a big difference for me, now if I got to interview each one and talk to coaches about scheme and how they were used I could change or add on to my current opinion but outside that its pretty clear cut.

 

I actually like how Ojulari looked with his hand on the ground for the little he was asked to do it, he looked comfortable and had a good first step and it almost looked like olinemen underestimated how fast he would be in stance versus standing

[GunnerBill]

58 minutes ago, just1hugheser said:

I actually like how Ojulari looked with his hand on the ground for the little he was asked to do it, he looked comfortable and had a good first step and it almost looked like olinemen underestimated how fast he would be in stance versus standing

 

Meh. I do not like how he looks hand on the ground and against bigger tackles - the 'Bama guys for example, who will actually play in the league - he just got stonewalled down after down. He has twitch, no doubt. His first step is the best in the class. But he is undersized and doesn't really have a frame to easily carry extra weight and his hand usage is sub par at this stage. 3-4 OLB only for me. Don't even see the long term potential for him as down lineman in a 4-3. Think teams would run right at him.

[GaryPinC]

I think Oweh should have stayed in another year, transferred if not satisfied with his development at PSU.

 

With so little on tape I question his motivation for the game as well as his intelligence for the game.  

 

He started football his junior year of HS and never blossomed after 3 years (albeit a shortened 3rd).  

 

That should be enough time to shine for a passionate, motivated DE, it's not overly-complicated from a schematic viewpoint.  Not saying all-world shine, just some consistent "whoa" plays like Allen showed, commensurate with his raw abilities.  Meh.  I'm sure Bills will kick the tires and figure him out in the interview.  3rd round for me.

[CapeBreton]

I feel like the Bills put less emphasis on combine/pro day results and more emphasis on the tape. Oweh is an absolute freak but I’d be shocked if he’s our guy in round 1. I have seen him mocked higher than our pick so maybe he won’t even be there, I think that would be good news if he’s already gone, let our guys fall to us.

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

I think Oweh should have stayed in another year, transferred if not satisfied with his development at PSU.

 

With so little on tape I question his motivation for the game as well as his intelligence for the game.  

 

He started football his junior year of HS and never blossomed after 3 years (albeit a shortened 3rd).  

 

That should be enough time to shine for a passionate, motivated DE, it's not overly-complicated from a schematic viewpoint.  Not saying all-world shine, just some consistent "whoa" plays like Allen showed, commensurate with his raw abilities.  Meh.  I'm sure Bills will kick the tires and figure him out in the interview.  3rd round for me.

 

Oweh might be very passionate and motivated.  But if he lacks the instincts to play, it doesn't matter.

[Kmart128]

On 4/19/2021 at 3:10 AM, just1hugheser said:

 

 

LOL the problem with Graham in the 3rd was that some of us were screaming at the screen since the pick before to draft Russ Wilson

 

Ehhh 2nd WR was a way bigger need at the time... we had no one opposite of Stevie Johnson. Donald Jones was our #2WR... i think we were all hoping for a speedster WR at the time. We drafted the wrong one. Should have went TY Hilton.

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

 

Ehhh 2nd WR was a way bigger need at the time... we had no one opposite of Stevie Johnson. Donald Jones was our #2WR... i think we were all hoping for a speedster WR at the time. We drafted the wrong one. Should have went TY Hilton.

 

You think #2 receiver was a bigger need than Quarterback?

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Kmart128 said:

 

Ehhh 2nd WR was a way bigger need at the time... we had no one opposite of Stevie Johnson. Donald Jones was our #2WR... i think we were all hoping for a speedster WR at the time. We drafted the wrong one. Should have went TY Hilton.

Our quarterback was ryan fitzpatrick. The top need was ALWAYS qb for close to two decades.

[Doc]

The Bills signed Fitz to a large extension 1/3 of the way into the 2011 season. They weren’t going to draft a QB high (in 2012) and because of Wilson’s size wanted to wait until the 4th round. I can understand their thinking but it obviously was a mistake. 

[OldTimer1960]

15 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

I feel like the Bills put less emphasis on combine/pro day results and more emphasis on the tape. Oweh is an absolute freak but I’d be shocked if he’s our guy in round 1. I have seen him mocked higher than our pick so maybe he won’t even be there, I think that would be good news if he’s already gone, let our guys fall to us.

I think the Bills consider both tape and athleticism/upside.  They took both Allen and Tremaine Edmunds who had great physical tools and upside, but (especially Allen) hadn’t really shown consistent top production on the field.  On the flip side, the drafted AJ Epenesa who what’s highly productive in college, but doesn’t have the outstanding quickness and speed that people are looking for in pass rusher.  What I do think those 3 have in common is want-to and work ethic to succeed.

[H2o]

Vernon Gholston without the same college production. Easy pass for me. If we take a Penn St. DE I would rather it be Shaka Toney in the 2nd. 

[GaryPinC]

15 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Oweh might be very passionate and motivated.  But if he lacks the instincts to play, it doesn't matter.

I love Jerry Hughes but I'd argue he doesn't have very good instincts.  So many times I watch him pushing to get to the quarterback and the ball goes right by him (sometimes WITH the quarterback).  Passion and commitment can count for something, especially at a less complicated position like DE.

[Freddie's Dead]

Maybin redux.  No thanks.  We need an impact player at #1, not a developmental prospect.  No reason to reach.

[Doc]

5 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

I love Jerry Hughes but I'd argue he doesn't have very good instincts.  So many times I watch him pushing to get to the quarterback and the ball goes right by him (sometimes WITH the quarterback).  Passion and commitment can count for something, especially at a less complicated position like DE.

 

Anything is possible.  But I wouldn't use a 1st rounder on a guy like Oweh.