H2o Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: We got Trubisky on the cheap for real compared to most of these backup/low-level starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, H2o said: We got Trubisky on the cheap for real compared to most of these backup/low-level starters. Lions just gave QB Tim Boyle 2.5 mill lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Lions just gave QB Tim Boyle 2.5 mill lol To be fair, Yolo, with Goff there you can smell QB controversy. The talent/performance differential between the two isn’t that big. I think it’s wise for the Lions to avoid that, especially with a new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: To be fair, Yolo, with Goff there you can smell QB controversy. The talent/performance differential between the two isn’t that big. I think it’s wise for the Lions to avoid that, especially with a new coach. I’ve never even heard of Tim Boyle but have no doubt he can challenge Goff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Interesting stat here that shows Bills now have best QB room in league. Wins since 2017 by QB. Both Allen and trubisky in top 15. Both having more than Mayfield. Carr. Ryan. Watson. Tannehill Etc https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/qb-wins-leaders-since-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve never even heard of Tim Boyle but have no doubt he can challenge Goff Enh. I think Goff is pretty good. Not great, but a little better than league average. If he had been a second round pick, people wouldn’t be so down on him. Same goes for trubisky. Edited March 20, 2021 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 10 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Ultimately, winning and money are the two biggest factors for most players. I stand behind the Buffalo effect comment. The Bills appear to have a dynamic QB and a chance to make a big run to the super bowl. However, let's get realistic here. Buffalo is a small market team with a city that can't compare to the likes of the bigger market teams. It's fair to say when all things are even a player will select the bigger splasher market team vs Buffalo. It's no coincidence that Buffalo hasn't landed many big time big name players. Of course other variables are in play. I guess maybe you can throw T. Owens out there If you dare. For me, it felt good to say the Buffalo effect in a positive light... With all due respect, I completely disagree. Because if that was true, why aren’t the Jets and Giants better? Why doesn’t Miami and LA get every FA? In the nfl, that stuff doesn’t matter as much as in other sports. it’s about money, winning, and I believe a qb. Then it’s all that other stuff but that’s far down the list. Players’ careers are too short to think that they can only go to the biggest market or best party scene. Also, and I believe it rarely happens, if we lost a player to Miami or NYc (which again, never happens) because of other factors, is that even a player we want anyways? 50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve never even heard of Tim Boyle but have no doubt he can challenge Goff Yeah, now that hate on Goff has gone way too far. 44 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Interesting stat here that shows Bills now have best QB room in league. Wins since 2017 by QB. Both Allen and trubisky in top 15. Both having more than Mayfield. Carr. Ryan. Watson. Tannehill Etc https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/qb-wins-leaders-since-2017 I love the Mitch pickup but qbs wins is such a stupid stat. How many starting level qbs won’t have had a lot of wins on that Playoff bears team? Deshaun Massage had 4 wins last year. I’m guessing if he was on the Bears instead of Mitch, they might have won the SB that year. Such a flawed stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 45 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Enh. I think Goff is pretty good. Not great, but a little better than league average. If he had been a second round pick, people wouldn’t be so down on him. Same goes for trubisky. I've seen some say McVay made him look decent. Idk, but will soon see if there's any truth to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 3:52 PM, nucci said: Yet we re-signed all our potential FAs that we wanted back plus an upgrade at backup QB. I really wish people would stop with the cap. the cap is a legit issue THIS year. Let me also clarify, i like what Beane has done this year and every year. Also, he got Mitch on a GREAT deal for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Enh. I think Goff is pretty good. Not great, but a little better than league average. If he had been a second round pick, people wouldn’t be so down on him. Same goes for trubisky. My comment was more about how I don’t think the lions are very invested In Goff as their guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Enh. I think Goff is pretty good. Not great, but a little better than league average. If he had been a second round pick, people wouldn’t be so down on him. Same goes for trubisky. We'll find out this year if it was McVay playing "puppet master" the entire time or if Goff actually has a grasp on NFL defenses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I wonder how many teams were trying to sign Mitch before he signed with us. I’m still shocked he ended up coming here. I love that we upgraded the back up QB spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Lions just gave QB Tim Boyle 2.5 mill lol Well you cannot expect Trubisky to want to play for Bears division foe against team which knows his weaknesses, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well you cannot expect Trubisky to want to play for Bears division foe against team which knows his weaknesses, right? I wasn’t insinuating that he should have gone to the lions. I’m just comparing the contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 now lets get a passrusher, fat Star to come back, a TE who can actually catch without fumbling around with the ball,a RB who can plow thru the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: With all due respect, I completely disagree. Because if that was true, why aren’t the Jets and Giants better? Why doesn’t Miami and LA get every FA? In the nfl, that stuff doesn’t matter as much as in other sports. it’s about money, winning, and I believe a qb. Then it’s all that other stuff but that’s far down the list. Players’ careers are too short to think that they can only go to the biggest market or best party scene. Also, and I believe it rarely happens, if we lost a player to Miami or NYc (which again, never happens) because of other factors, is that even a player we want anyways? Yeah, now that hate on Goff has gone way too far. I love the Mitch pickup but qbs wins is such a stupid stat. How many starting level qbs won’t have had a lot of wins on that Playoff bears team? Deshaun Massage had 4 wins last year. I’m guessing if he was on the Bears instead of Mitch, they might have won the SB that year. Such a flawed stat. C. Biscuit, I'm not sure why you completely disagree with me? I said a player's top priority is winning and money and you repeat it. I stated we have a dynamic looking QB and you talk about the importance of a QB? I'm confused. Area is further down the priority list but still played a small role. Edited March 21, 2021 by newcam2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: My comment was more about how I don’t think the lions are very invested In Goff as their guy Goff was simply part of the deal the Lions had to accept to get rid of Stafford. Jared Goff might do great things for the Lions, but I think they’d consider that a bonus. I’m surprised how many people think the Lions want Goff as their future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 18 hours ago, H2o said: We'll find out this year if it was McVay playing "puppet master" the entire time or if Goff actually has a grasp on NFL defenses. Yep, it feels like Goff trajectory flattened once it got out that McVay was having the Rams get to the line and snap the ball before the helmet speaker went off. Not sure how accurate that is for the time sequence because I didn’t watch the Rams as close as the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 10 hours ago, newcam2012 said: C. Biscuit, I'm not sure why you completely disagree with me? I said a player's top priority is winning and money and you repeat it. I stated we have a dynamic looking QB and you talk about the importance of a QB? I'm confused. Area is further down the priority list but still played a small role. I think his point is that the 12-4 bears team won because of its amazing defense, not because of the qb. He’s absolutely right about that. It’s a team game at the end of the day even though qb is the most important position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I have no doubt that Trubisky is more talented than Barkely but this is just a one year rental so he's not the new long term backup. How much can he pickup and improve in part of one season before he may be needed? Then next year they have Fromm. It's too bad that they couldn't fine someone that they could rely on for at least 2 or 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 21 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I wonder how many teams were trying to sign Mitch before he signed with us. I’m still shocked he ended up coming here. I love that we upgraded the back up QB spot I think that reality set in for Trubisky. Beane's idea for him to come here and observe and take it all in should help Trubisky. Hit the reset button for sure. I live in Chicago now and Bear's fans have been tough on him. He was pretty much thrown to the wolves here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, vincec said: I have no doubt that Trubisky is more talented than Barkely but this is just a one year rental so he's not the new long term backup. How much can he pickup and improve in part of one season before he may be needed? Then next year they have Fromm. It's too bad that they couldn't fine someone that they could rely on for at least 2 or 3 seasons. Is there any evidence that Fromm will amount to anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I think his point is that the 12-4 bears team won because of its amazing defense, not because of the qb. He’s absolutely right about that. It’s a team game at the end of the day even though qb is the most important position. I spent several Sundays watching Bear's games with Bear's fans. Not a pretty sight and something we can relate to as Bills fans. Their defense spends all day on the field with an unimaginative offense! Drives end at mid field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, SirAndrew said: Goff was simply part of the deal the Lions had to accept to get rid of Stafford. Jared Goff might do great things for the Lions, but I think they’d consider that a bonus. I’m surprised how many people think the Lions want Goff as their future. Not sure who you’re arguing with. You did see where yolo said he doesn’t believe the Lions are invested in Goff as their future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beerball said: Not sure who you’re arguing with. You did see where yolo said he doesn’t believe the Lions are invested in Goff as their future? I was actually agreeing with him, and just explaining why I see it the same way. It was probably poorly written. Edited March 21, 2021 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Is there any evidence that Fromm will amount to anything? Zero. That's my concern. The position hasn't really been addressed beyond this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, vincec said: I have no doubt that Trubisky is more talented than Barkely but this is just a one year rental so he's not the new long term backup. How much can he pickup and improve in part of one season before he may be needed? Then next year they have Fromm. It's too bad that they couldn't fine someone that they could rely on for at least 2 or 3 seasons. Every QB signed as a backup this off-season was signed for 1 year. And if MT doesn't see the field to showcase himself, he could very well be back. 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Is there any evidence that Fromm will amount to anything? Signing MT allows them to find out without making him the sole backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 9 hours ago, Rocket94 said: I think that reality set in for Trubisky. Beane's idea for him to come here and observe and take it all in should help Trubisky. Hit the reset button for sure. I live in Chicago now and Bear's fans have been tough on him. He was pretty much thrown to the wolves here. That is not unusual. We have seen it happen many times with players who come to Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, prissythecat said: Is there any evidence that Fromm will amount to anything? No evidence in favor for QB Dunsel but more than for QB P5t5erson. Edited March 22, 2021 by Limeaid typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Limeaid said: That is not unusual. We have seen it happen many times with players who come to Bills. You got that right. I am also sharing Bear's fans opinions up close. I live and work among them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I'll guess right now that Brittany and Hillary hit it off. They both got that hot "girl next door" look. Why didn't God make me able to throw a football 70+ yards! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Looks like Mitch will be just fine if he playing career doesn’t last much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: How talented were the Bears wide receivers overall? Not very. It was Allen Robinson and a bunch of stiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: Interesting. That definitely could be why Trubisky wasn't more successful in Chicago. I'm not going to sit here and say it was all on his WRs, but that wasn't a great group. I'm curious to see what he does with the Bills' offense at the end of blowouts this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: I'm not going to sit here and say it was all on his WRs, but that wasn't a great group. I'm curious to see what he does with the Bills' offense at the end of blowouts this year. When Mitch takes snaps with the 1's in camp it will be the best offense he has ever played with in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said: How talented were the Bears wide receivers overall? I actually blamed Nagy for most of it. He did not put his players in a good position to succeed at all. The wideout talent isn’t great but changing the scheme up he could of gotten way better production. The offensive line might of been the worst unit in football last year. Mitch isn’t elite, but he has some potential not unlocked imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Having most my family come from Chicago including myself, it was pretty funny hearing them complain about how incompetent the bears as an organization are after this went down. Got so much ***** my whole life being a bills fan from my uncle's lol Edited March 22, 2021 by Kenosha2Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I actually blamed Nagy for most of it. He did not put his players in a good position to succeed at all. The wideout talent isn’t great but changing the scheme up he could of gotten way better production. The offensive line might of been the worst unit in football last year. Mitch isn’t elite, but he has some potential not unlocked imo Agree about Nagy. He conned the Bears into thinking he was good because he was the OC of the Chiefs (pre-Mahomes), when it's Reid who is the brains behind that outfit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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