HOUSE Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson has been accused of indecent conduct involving a licensed massage therapist in March 2020, according to a civil complaint filed Tuesday night in Harris County, Texas. The complaint alleges that Watson contacted the plaintiff on Instagram inquiring about a massage and the two eventually scheduled an appointment at the plaintiff's home. Per the complaint, Watson informed the plaintiff prior to meeting that he wanted a "massage for relaxation" as opposed to a sports massage https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-deshaun-watson-accused-of-indecent-conduct-in-civil-lawsuit-qb-denies-wro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 INdecent conduct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 INformative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I'll probably catch flack, but to avoid burying this in "n" pages of crap I'm gonna leave this open and lock the other thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll probably catch flack, but to avoid burying this in "n" pages of crap I'm gonna leave this open and lock the other thread. That's why they call you "The People's Champion" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 This should really help speed up the trade to New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Quote The complaint alleges that Watson contacted the plaintiff on Instagram inquiring about a massage and the two eventually scheduled an appointment at the plaintiff's home. Per the complaint, Watson informed the plaintiff prior to meeting that he wanted a "massage for relaxation" as opposed to a sports massage. The complaint alleges that during the massage Watson said that he wanted the focus to be on "his groin area." Watson later allegedly exposed himself from under his massage towel, and then touched the plaintiff's hand with his genitals after moving his body to further expose himself. The plaintiff then ended the massage and asked Watson to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just tell him to call Kraft that guy knows how to get out of these sorts of things. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) How is anyone going to prove this? Are their cameras? It also sounds incredibly dumb. Edited March 17, 2021 by CNYfan spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Phil M. Groin has just been traded to the Patriots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll probably catch flack, but to avoid burying this in "n" pages of crap I'm gonna leave this open and lock the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Just tell him to call Kraft that guy knows how to get out of these sorts of things. Thats why he is going to NE....to get that legal representation.......hell they had video of Kraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 This feels like some JJ Watt stunt where he was posting things with similarities and we had to connect the dots.... Illegal massage, legal troubles... This points to a Patriots trade. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 frivolous..sounds like it'll get thrown out after their failed attempt to extort him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Video went down on the 4th. Privacy, unreasonable all that. Might be admissible in a Civil Suit, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CNYfan said: How is anyone going to prove this? Are their cameras? It also sounds incredibly dumb. I've built (not alone, obviously) a few massage clinics from scratch (it is a chain, and they liked using our company) but we never put cameras in the rooms. Usually we'd come across subs like electricians, concrete guys and plumbers, but I don't recall any security firms putting cameras in the rooms, either. Idk if this applies to all clinics (or if Watson was even in a clinic) but that's my two cents. I'd have to imagine it's akin to putting cameras in bathrooms. Edit: I also live in Canada, but from what I understand, personal freedoms are...less important here, so I don't see why the States would have cameras while we don't Edited March 17, 2021 by Boxcar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boxcar said: I've built (not alone, obviously) a few massage clinics from scratch (it is a chain, and they liked using our company) but we never put cameras in the rooms. Usually we'd come across subs like electricians, concrete guys and plumbers, but I don't recall any security firms putting cameras in the rooms, either. Idk if this applies to all clinics (or if Watson was even in a clinic) but that's my two cents. I'd have to imagine it's akin to putting cameras in bathrooms. Edit: I also live in Canada, but from what I understand, personal freedoms are...less important here, so I don't see why the States would have cameras while we don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: It's a little-known site feature that if someone posts the same .gif 3x within a space of time I won't reveal, it auto-replaces their Avatar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 In the LMT's personal home. Another difference between this and Kraft (besides Civil and not Criminal) is that the witness can testify. The "not really massage people" were not available to testify against Mr. Kraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Boxcar said: I've built (not alone, obviously) a few massage clinics from scratch (it is a chain, and they liked using our company) but we never put cameras in the rooms. Usually we'd come across subs like electricians, concrete guys and plumbers, but I don't recall any security firms putting cameras in the rooms, either. Idk if this applies to all clinics (or if Watson was even in a clinic) "the two eventually scheduled an appointment at the plaintiff's home" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, CNYfan said: How is anyone going to prove this? Are their cameras? It also sounds incredibly dumb. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/preponderance_of_the_evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boxcar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: "the two eventually scheduled an appointment at the plaintiff's home" Yeah maybe I should actually read stuff before opining. For me, though, this makes Watson less suspicious. At least in a clinic, there would be other people to corroborate the story. I don't understand why Watson would risk his career and reputation on asking some random masseuse for a handy. I do not want to venture into assumptions of guilt or innocence on either side, but it's tipping for Watson for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's a little-known site feature that if someone posts the same .gif 3x within a space of time I won't reveal, it auto-replaces their Avatar. Lol I don't care about locking the thread, just felt that this would be a fun gif again🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll probably catch flack, but to avoid burying this in "n" pages of crap I'm gonna leave this open and lock the other thread. That’s INsidious decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boxcar said: Yeah maybe I should actually read stuff before opining. For me, though, this makes Watson less suspicious. At least in a clinic, there would be other people to corroborate the story. I don't understand why Watson would risk his career and reputation on asking some random masseuse for a handy. I do not want to venture into assumptions of guilt or innocence on either side, but it's tipping for Watson for me. This could be asked of a LOT of people over the years but yet... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, CNYfan said: How is anyone going to prove this? Are their cameras? It also sounds incredible dumb. This is a classic he said she said type of scenario. I thought that original post by that attorney looked to be really sleazy and this thing stinks. just somebody trying to get money. Unless there was an active camera or a hidden camera going which would raise ethical concerns abou a massage therapist, I don’t see how this goes anywhere and is something that will be quickly dismissed. I don’t think it has any effect on what happens to Watson Listening to Trent Dilfer on the Pat McAfee show, he really feels like the relationship with the Texans is over and that there’s no way Watson returns and Tyrod probably starts while grooming a draft project. Dilfer feels the fins are the prob landing spot with all the draft capital , still Jets with 2 Nd pick could yet be in play. Biggest take from Dilfer, who is very well spoken and logical, is that Watsons relationship with Texans is beyond repair and I think Dilfer has enough inside experience to be credible Not great news as I bet he ends up in Miami ( let’s hope Pats are not in this, unlikely they would have brought Cam back if they were making a big push) and the AFC East could get very competitive just one year after Brady left. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Aka money fixes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 This could really piss off the girlfriend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson has been accused of indecent conduct involving a licensed massage therapist in March 2020, according to a civil complaint filed Tuesday night in Harris County, Texas. The complaint alleges that Watson contacted the plaintiff on Instagram inquiring about a massage and the two eventually scheduled an appointment at the plaintiff's home. Per the complaint, Watson informed the plaintiff prior to meeting that he wanted a "massage for relaxation" as opposed to a sports massage https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-deshaun-watson-accused-of-indecent-conduct-in-civil-lawsuit-qb-denies-wro So a sports massage includes an ending that's happy??? 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: In a suit alleging inappropriate requests for a special massage, I wouldn't think Rusty Hardon would be up to the task at hand. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Attempted money grab. These lawyers are scumbags 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, DrPJax said: Listening to Trent Dilfer on the Pat McAfee show, he really feels like the relationship with the Texans is over and that there’s no way Watson returns and Tyrod probably starts while grooming a draft project. Dilfer feels the fins are the prob landing spot with all the draft capital , still Jets with 2 Nd pick could yet be in play. Biggest take from Dilfer, who is very well spoken and logical, is that Watsons relationship with Texans is beyond repair and I think Dilfer has enough inside experience to be credible Not great news as I bet he ends up in Miami ( let’s hope Pats are not in this, unlikely they would have brought Cam back if they were making a big push) and the AFC East could get very competitive just one year after Brady left. TBH, I think the Texans would be better off holding his contract and waiting him out. It doesn't matter the draft capital, no amount would be worth potentially getting dominated by him later in his career. I mean he has to be the best QB the franchise has ever had. They don't want him playing somewhere else. To top it all off, all you'd get was draft picks that aren't guaranteed to work out. The chances they'd be able to land a QB as good as him are very low. Let him rot until he gets over it and mends the relationship. Edited March 17, 2021 by DaggersEOD deleted extra text 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: Yeah maybe I should actually read stuff before opining. For me, though, this makes Watson less suspicious. At least in a clinic, there would be other people to corroborate the story. I don't understand why Watson would risk his career and reputation on asking some random masseuse for a handy. I do not want to venture into assumptions of guilt or innocence on either side, but it's tipping for Watson for me. It certainly adds to the drama, however it's also part of the defense if caught. Why would I be so stupid to risk my fame etc... The reality is if he looked up and connected to a random MT via social media, then its more suspicious to me. I mean I goto an MT, and it took me weeks of research and numerous recommendations before my first appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The relaxation vs sports massage is quite irrelevant, they are both actual types of massages. Is he supposed to only ask for a sports massage because he's a football player? Every single thing I've seen released/leaked about this case is constructed to sound as lurid as possible. I have no idea if this is a legit suit or not, but if it's legit the lawyer is doing his client a disservice because this is coming off as a money-grab. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The relaxation vs sports massage is quite irrelevant, they are both actual types of massages. Is he supposed to only ask for a sports massage because he's a football player? Every single thing I've seen released/leaked about this case is constructed to sound as lurid as possible. I have no idea if this is a legit suit or not, but if it's legit the lawyer is doing his client a disservice because this is coming off as a money-grab. I would think that's one reason she hired him.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, CNYfan said: How is anyone going to prove this? Contemporaneous discussions/texts re details of incident. Logs, billing slips, checks. Witnesses testifying to abrupt change in demeanor or behavior on/about said date. Counselor notes. Etc, etc. Not saying that's what she has, but many ways to skin the cat. 2 hours ago, CNYfan said: 2 hours ago, CNYfan said: Edited March 17, 2021 by Dukestreetking Phone went bananas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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