GunnerBill Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Oh that's right. You had Newsome in the first. Yea had OT at #61. That would have to change. V2 coming post FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, njbuff said: They still have to prove they can beat KC. They didn't even come close in 2020. I am excited about the Bills taking that next step, but we shall see. Debbie? Debbie, is that you? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, appoo said: Personally I think it's easier to find a starting guard at 30 than finding a starting EDGE rusher. So I would vote to let Feliciano go,, cut Addison, restructure Hughes + Star. Use Kumerow/Duke/Stills as your replacement for Brown on the roster (Gabe Davis is your #2). Use that 10M in cap savings to find a F/A EDGE. Agreed. Maybe this is indeed the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think what the last few days have shown us is that if Beane didn’t release a pending free agent player a couple of days ago like John Brown and Jefferson, then he is probably trying to resign them. If Beane knew he wasn’t going to be able to keep someone I think he would let them go now so their agent could get to work finding a new gig for them. John Brown and Quinton Jefferson were not pending free agents. They were players under contract for 2021 with a big-ol cap hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, BillsCuse said: RT has been a dumpster fire for soooooo long, I wanted him back bad. Good contract for both sides. You mean HAD? Totally agree, he was most important IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, ngbills said: Everything I have read on Williams was that he could get $7-8M per. Milano's value was impacted by David at only $12.5M. I dont see any discount on either guy. Maybe someone would have paid them, but dont see them getting more than what we paid. You would be incorrect both the Jets and Browns where preparing to make large offers to Milano alone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: You would be incorrect both the Jets and Browns where preparing to make large offers to Milano alone Ok. Says who? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Why do I love this signing? Two words. Jordan Mills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, foreboding said: Agreed. Maybe this is indeed the plan. Two problems with @appoo's plan. First, we don't have Kenny Stills under a futures contract like Kumerow and Duke. We'd have to re-sign him. Second, Addison took a paycut to stay. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he's released after Training Camp after everything's said and done (like Murphy should have been). But if he were to be cut before then - they wouldn't have restructured him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, ngbills said: Ok. Says who? Source? The one and only Mary Kay Cabot who is pretty much the Browns stenographer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, ngbills said: Ok. Says who? Source? There's stuff about it around here - probably in the Milano signing thread. Tweets, etc. but not necessarily from the most recognised sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ngbills said: Everything I have read on Williams was that he could get $7-8M per. Milano's value was impacted by David at only $12.5M. I dont see any discount on either guy. Maybe someone would have paid them, but dont see them getting more than what we paid. what have you read about Williams value ? If it was the Spotrac valuation that came out about 2 months ago, Mike Ginnetti walked that back a week ago when he said that he was the best RT in Free Agency and could get around $12m Edited March 12, 2021 by Aussie Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yolo are you taking the off-season off The newbies are all betting you to the bunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Two problems with @appoo's plan. First, we don't have Kenny Stills under a futures contract like Kumerow and Duke. We'd have to re-sign him. Second, Addison took a paycut to stay. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he's released after Training Camp after everything's said and done (like Murphy should have been). But if he were to be cut before then - they wouldn't have restructured him today. I hadn't realized that about Stills, guess he was an emergency guy if JB couldn't go in the playoffs. As for Addison, when I posted it wasn't announced he had restructured. But that's fine. Still opens a small gap to sign a new EDGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I assume that the cap hit this year is less than 8 million making this a great contract for team building, Beane has me believing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I wish Curtis Samuels was available for under 5M. That would be ideal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Terrific news on Williams - and Milano. A shout out also to guys who have restructured etc., to make these moves possible, it speaks a lot to both the quality of the people, and the quality of the current organisation. I wouldn't underestimate the impact that the training facilities have either, so well done also to the Pegulas for ponying up the money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: what have you read about Williams value ? If it was the Spotrac valuation that came out about 2 months ago, Mike Ginnetti walked that back a week ago when he said that he was the best RT in Free Agency and could get around $12m Sportrac has D. Williams market value at 8.5m per year... One way to look at it is that the Bills often had to overpay to keep or sign free agents. D Williams signed right at his market value. Some team out there would have over paid, but the fact that he chose to stay here right at his value is a good sign. But he didn't take less than his market value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, Motorin' said: Sportrac has D. Williams market value at 8.5m per year... One way to look at it is that the Bills often had to overpay to keep or sign free agents. D Williams signed right at his market value. Some team out there would have over paid, but the fact that he chose to stay here right at his value is a good sign. But he didn't take less than his market value. Yes ... this was done about two months ago, and Mike Ginnetti who is Spotrac was interviewed by Matt Parino recently and he said he could get $12M ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: what have you read about Williams value ? If it was the Spotrac valuation that came out about 2 months ago, Mike Ginnetti walked that back a week ago when he said that he was the best RT in Free Agency and could get around $12m Most of what I read predicted something like 4 years and 35M. Sportrac had a value of $7.8M per. So looks like the Bills basically paid market. Dont see anything that was predicting $10M+. 5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The one and only Mary Kay Cabot who is pretty much the Browns stenographer Haha. She has said the Browns are after basically ever free agent. They wanted Watt and then supposedly didnt that much. Then David, then Milano, and also want Durpee, Hendrickson, Lawson, Reddick, Barrett and anyone else you can think of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, ngbills said: Most of what I read predicted something like 4 years and 35M. Sportrac had a value of $7.8M per. So looks like the Bills basically paid market. Dont see anything that was predicting $10M+. Haha. She has said the Browns are after basically ever free agent. They wanted Watt and then supposedly didnt that much. Then David, then Milano, and also want Durpee, Hendrickson, Lawson, Reddick, Barrett and anyone else you can think of. Ok you ask for a source I gave you one with direct ties to the browns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Yes ... this was done about two months ago, and Mike Ginnetti who is Spotrac was interviewed by Matt Parino recently and he said he could get $12M ... I don't disagree, but I think 12m is maxed out overpaying. 9 is a fair and square deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Most of what I read predicted something like 4 years and 35M. Sportrac had a value of $7.8M per. So looks like the Bills basically paid market. Dont see anything that was predicting $10M+. Don’t be shy... share these articles you read Ive already explained the Spotrac value..: they changed their mind in his value over the past 3 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Don’t be shy... share these articles you read Ive already explained the Spotrac value..: they changed their mind in his value over the past 3 months... https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/2/9/22272048/contract-projection-for-buffalo-bills-free-agent-tackle-daryl-williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: I don't disagree, but I think 12m is maxed out overpaying. 9 is a fair and square deal. I guess we can only see what other guys end up signing for in FA next week then and try to speculate how much Williams would have got... The important thing is that he is here ... at least another 2 years... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they are genuinely in BPA territory now. Still think Greg Newsome is in play if he is there. An OT in the first 3 rounds probably not. I'm on board but He ran a 4.38 40 at his pro-day and PFF said he only allowed 12 catches on 34 attempts for 94 yards so he might not make it to 30... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I don't disagree, but I think 12m is maxed out overpaying. 9 is a fair and square deal. I think it depends. If he plays like he did last year, 9 is an absolute bargain. The reason I think he got less is because of his previous injury concerns, and I do believe he took a bit of a discount to remain in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, MWK said: Nice! Let Feliciano walk now No. Feliciano provide versatility and depth. he should be cheap to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Does make me wonder a little about Feleciano. Will he now not be back? I hope so. As a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 hours ago, njbuff said: They still have to prove they can beat KC. They didn't even come close in 2020. I am excited about the Bills taking that next step, but we shall see. Why are you guys down on what I said? Am I lying? Don't the Bills STILL have to overcome the Chiefs to win the SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, njbuff said: Why are you guys down on what I said? Am I lying? Don't the Bills STILL have to overcome the Chiefs to win the SB? So what should they be doing differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, ngbills said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/2/9/22272048/contract-projection-for-buffalo-bills-free-agent-tackle-daryl-williams So Rumblings predicted 4 years, $35M, $18M guaranteed ($8.75/yr) Actual is being reported as 3 years, $28.2M, $9.4M/yr with $14M guaranteed. My guess for his cap hit would be would be $8-9M signing bonus, $4M salary this year for a total cap hit (with roster and workout bonuses and stuff) around $7M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: So what should they be doing differently? Decide to cover Kelce. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, njbuff said: Decide to cover Kelce. 😁 With who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: With who? Your guess is as good as mine, but Kelce will be 32 next year, so he might slow down a tick and maybe the Bills can find someone who can cover him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Your guess is as good as mine, but Kelce will be 32 next year, so he might slow down a tick and maybe the Bills can find someone who can cover him. You gotta respect them to you beat them... but you can’t build a team just to beat one other team.... This offseason still has some playing out to do... might be interesting if Watson or Wilson move to an AFC East team ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So Rumblings predicted 4 years, $35M, $18M guaranteed ($8.75/yr) Actual is being reported as 3 years, $28.2M, $9.4M/yr with $14M guaranteed. My guess for his cap hit would be would be $8-9M signing bonus, $4M salary this year for a total cap hit (with roster and workout bonuses and stuff) around $7M based on what my cbs sports app just updated me w, looks like about 14-16mm (accounting for bonus and such and such) over two years w the third year being a bit bigger, so pretty normal. i may be off, but i think we are perhaps one more restructure on someone away from having money to sign a real TE or pass rusher in the open market, or an OK TE and a more of an ok De. either edmunds, epenesa, or somebody has to step up if we don't get anyone new (i suppose we could find a diamond in the draft) for our D to be as effective as it was in 18/19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, qwksilver said: I'm on board but He ran a 4.38 40 at his pro-day and PFF said he only allowed 12 catches on 34 attempts for 94 yards so he might not make it to 30... Sadly don't think he will. I have been banging on about him since I watched his film the first week of Jan. Everyone has woken up the last 3 or 4 weeks. Ceiling is sky, sky high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Do we have numbers yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Just now, aristocrat said: Do we have numbers yet? Yes and some of them might even be right. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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