glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, The Governor said: It won’t be anything less than a 3rd. It better be or it's a massive overpay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, glazeduck said: It better be or it's a massive overpay. My guess is a 3rd and about 8 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Well, I think it's kind of the opposite, innit? If they signed Samuel they'd be less locked in to WR at 30. Perhaps they want a stud young WR on a rookie contract to learn behind Diggs, Beasley, & Sanders for 1 year vs. signing a top young guy, which would lock them into having two $10M+ receivers for the next 3 seasons? (Personally I don't think it's either scenario, but it's just a thought exercise) Edited March 18, 2021 by junior12thman92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, teef said: I bet this thread on the jets boards would have more views. Like 10,000,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, glazeduck said: It better be or it's a massive overpay. I don't disagree that a 3rd is a steep price, but... I'm just curious who, with the 30th pick in the third round, is likely to improve the Bills more (and more instantly) than Zach Ertz. Moss, Singletary, Knox, Phillips. Those are our most recent third round picks. I dunno, man...I just don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Well, I think it's kind of the opposite, innit? If they signed Samuel they'd be less locked in to WR at 30. What I'm saying is that WR is an option at 30 now still. Whereas if they had Samuel there they would be a lot less likely to take one. WRs can be expensive in the open market, it's great if you can have them home grown. If a value falls you want to be able to take it. IMO, it leaves Toney as an option if he falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 If it's true that we are the only team in on a trade and others are just waiting for him to be released, then we are getting robbed if we give anything more than a 2022 4th round pick. 5th round would be better. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Logic said: I don't disagree that a 3rd is a steep price, but... I'm just curious who, with the 30th pick in the third round, is likely to improve the Bills more (and more instantly) than Zach Ertz. Moss, Singletary, Knox, Phillips. Those are our most recent third round picks. I dunno, man...I just don't know. While your point is not wrong, I think this is looking at it the wrong way (from my point, anyway)... It's one thing to offer a 3rd if we're competing against other teams for Ertz. I would still argue that's an overpay, but that's because I think his best football is very uch behind him. But if we're competing for him, sure, you throw out your best price. If we're the only one negotiating for him now that the Chargers signed Cook, there's absolutely no reason to keep the price the same. Lower the offer to a 5th and call Howie's bluff. If we miss out, it's not like we're missing out on an otherworldly player anymore -- this isn't Aaron Donald we're trading for here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Governor said: It won’t be anything less than a 3rd. Says the man who says everyone on board wants to trade our #1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Governor said: It won’t be anything less than a 3rd. I would bet a lot of money that you are wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I’ll go one of our 5th round picks... Knowing Beane, the lower one .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 55 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: You have a tight end on the roster currently who may be entering that exact window. Otherwise go get Rudolph because Ertz at 31 is not worth anything more than a 4th. We will see on knox, and I hope it works out. Ertz has let's say 3 years left in the tank, gets us a chance to develop another. Typically teams with a franchise QB, build in 3 to 4 year cycles and we are now on our first. I have zero issue with trading a very late 3rd (basically early 4th) or later this year for his services the next 3 to 4 years and snagging a developmental guy this year or next... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I don’t get how Ertz would warrant a coach/GM presser. I think the GM/HC had a "start of the new League year" presser planned anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I just wanted to point out that this thread is now north of 39,000 views. Holy smokes we love our Bills. Amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Is Dan Arnold still available? I can’t find anything indicating otherwise. He is younger and cheaper than Ertz; and probably better at this point given Ertz age, injuries and attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, glazeduck said: While your point is not wrong, I think this is looking at it the wrong way (from my point, anyway)... It's one thing to offer a 3rd if we're competing against other teams for Ertz. I would still argue that's an overpay, but that's because I think his best football is very uch behind him. But if we're competing for him, sure, you throw out your best price. If we're the only one negotiating for him now that the Chargers signed Cook, there's absolutely no reason to keep the price the same. Lower the offer to a 5th and call Howie's bluff. If we miss out, it's not like we're missing out on an otherworldly player anymore -- this isn't Aaron Donald we're trading for here. He’s not going to lower the offer. That’s not how we do business with Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't disagree that a 3rd is a steep price, but... I'm just curious who, with the 30th pick in the third round, is likely to improve the Bills more (and more instantly) than Zach Ertz. Moss, Singletary, Knox, Phillips. Those are our most recent third round picks. I dunno, man...I just don't know. Shaun Wade, Haseem Nasirildeen, Trill Williams, Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, plenty of quality OL still left in the rd. A big nickel, CB2 or a quality 1 tech would be an instant upgrade. Edited March 18, 2021 by ndirish1978 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: We will see on knox, and I hope it works out. Ertz has let's say 3 years left in the tank, gets us a chance to develop another. Typically teams with a franchise QB, build in 3 to 4 year cycles and we are now on our first. I have zero issue with trading a very late 3rd (basically early 4th) or later this year for his services the next 3 to 4 years and snagging a developmental guy this year or next... The decision isn't just "Ertz or no Ertz" in a vacuum though. We could sign Rudolph who's arguably going to contribute just or nearly as much as Ertz. Njoku looks very available, Darren Fells just got cut as will others... This is not a situation where we need to get bent over backwards, especially given Ertz' contract will need to be restructured and there's no guarantee (until he agrees to it) of what that number will be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3410 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 What does everybody think of Jesse James as a free agent? Last 2 years in Detroit his numbers were not very good at all. However he was decent in Pittsburgh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Is Dan Arnold still available? I can’t find anything indicating otherwise. He is younger and cheaper than Ertz; and probably better at this point given Ertz age, injuries and attitude. Ertz is only 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Logic said: I don't disagree that a 3rd is a steep price, but... I'm just curious who, with the 30th pick in the third round, is likely to improve the Bills more (and more instantly) than Zach Ertz. Moss, Singletary, Knox, Phillips. Those are our most recent third round picks. I dunno, man...I just don't know. It’s not just a third round pick, though. It’s a third round pick AND $8,250,000. For that level of assets, I think I could get something better than a 31 year old TE coming off a terrible season who will be a FA in a year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Is Dan Arnold still available? I can’t find anything indicating otherwise. He is younger and cheaper than Ertz; and probably better at this point given Ertz age, injuries and attitude. He is, I also saw the Texans just cut Darren Fells who isn't a horrible TE2 that we could sign and not count against comp formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: Shaun Wade, Haseem Nasirildeen, Trill Williams, Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, plenty of quality OL still left in the rd. A big nickel, CB2 or a quality 1 tech would be an instant upgrade. It's basically an early 4th, very few can step in and make a difference in yr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Is Dan Arnold still available? I can’t find anything indicating otherwise. He is younger and cheaper than Ertz; and probably better at this point given Ertz age, injuries and attitude. He was great on the Wonder Years 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: It's basically an early 4th, very few can step in and make a difference in yr 1 But who are the Bills bidding against? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Governor said: He’s not going to lower the offer. That’s not how we do business with Philly. We'll never know, so it's kinda moot in the end. I know Beane values relationships across the league, but GMs also know the game, they know how this all works. I can tell you if the situation were reversed, Howie wouldn't hesitate to lower the offer -- again -- IF we're truly the only team still in talks for Ertz -- another thing we'll likely never know for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Shaun Wade, Haseem Nasirildeen, Trill Williams, Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, plenty of quality OL still left in the rd. A big nickel, CB2 or a quality 1 tech would be an instant upgrade. 0 chance Nas or McNeil are there at the end of the 3rd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, glazeduck said: The decision isn't just "Ertz or no Ertz" in a vacuum though. We could sign Rudolph who's arguably going to contribute just or nearly as much as Ertz. Njoku looks very available, Darren Fells just got cut as will others... This is not a situation where we need to get bent over backwards, especially given Ertz' contract will need to be restructured and there's no guarantee (until he agrees to it) of what that number will be... Ertz is better and more reliable and has won an SB. Last year in philly, does not constitute a decline, it is a still very good player on a ***** team that was falling apart week by week with awful qb play 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Shaun Wade, Haseem Nasirildeen, Trill Williams, Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, plenty of quality OL still left in the rd. A big nickel, CB2 or a quality 1 tech would be an instant upgrade. Not sold on Wade yet (need to watch more of his tape), but you've crushed this list. Would love any of those dudes in the third! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Shaun Wade, Haseem Nasirildeen, Trill Williams, Tyler Shelvin, Alim McNeil, plenty of quality OL still left in the rd. A big nickel, CB2 or a quality 1 tech would be an instant upgrade. All the players you just listed would help, sure, but they’d all be rotational players at best. They also all have the POTENTIAL to be good players in the NFL. Meanwhile, Zach Ertz would be a full time starter, and we already KNOW he’s a good player in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said: Not sold on Wade yet (need to watch more of his tape), but you've crushed this list. Would love any of those dudes in the third! Oh god don’t watch his tape 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Presumably Cam Brate and or OJ Howard are available from the Bucs as potential trade/cut candidates. I might prefer either of them over Ertz but if Ertz comes relatively cheap I will be pretty happy about it. The Bucs just extended Brate so I'm assuming that means they want to keep him. I'm not seeing the Howard love...as a former pick #19 overall, has he lived up to that? and he's coming back from an Achilles, which is always worrisome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, Reed83HOF said: Ertz is better and more reliable and has won an SB. Last year in philly, does not constitute a decline, it is a still very good player on a ***** team that was falling apart week by week with awful qb play As I've said in other threads, go watch Ertz' tape from last year. He can't run anymore (not that he was ever a + athlete to begin with). Super Bowl rings and past stats don't mean anything when you can't bring what you once did to a team. This is looking more and more likely, so I would love to be wrong, but I just do not see an impact player in Ertz anymore, and I'd suspect our FO is not expecting that either. Just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: But who are the Bills bidding against? Oh it should be lower imo, just saying normally our 3rds are late seconds or an actual 3rd. All of our picks this year are at the top of the following round, there is no talent sliding down to us this year. Rd1 is the only pick worth a crap, maybe rd 2, maybe... A 5th should get this done imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 omg it’s almost zoom time the deal must of fell apart. Beane asleep at the wheel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Logic said: All the players you just listed would help, sure, but they’d all be rotational players at best. They also all have the POTENTIAL to be good players in the NFL. Meanwhile, Zach Ertz would be a full time starter, and we already KNOW he’s a good player in the NFL. Which is what we want now in 2021... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Billl said: It’s not just a third round pick, though. It’s a third round pick AND $8,250,000. For that level of assets, I think I could get something better than a 31 year old TE coming off a terrible season who will be a FA in a year. This. Especially as we are very short on cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Especially as we are very short on cap. Meh, see the saints and chiefs, we have lots of expiring contracts the next couple years. 2024 we only have Dawkins Tre and Milano signed. This is easy to do.... Push the chips in, an SB winner is very helpful too for this young team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Johnny3410 said: What does everybody think of Jesse James as a free agent? Last 2 years in Detroit his numbers were not very good at all. However he was decent in Pittsburgh. I kinda like the thought of having Wild West Outlaws on the team... Maybe we can get Doc Holliday and Wyatt Earp too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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