Texans releasing JJ Watt

[BillsFan1988]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s better but Mayfield is capable... They are loaded at the skills position(more than we are) and have a ton of talent on that defensive line..... disagree that they are even rosters. Bills have Allen, Diggs, White whom are elite, Beasley who is very good, and the rest of the roster are mostly JAGs . 

No love for Poyer, Hyde, Edmunds, Dawkins & Oliver. I wouldn't call them JAGs 

I believe where Cleveland has the advantage is because of Myles Garrett . Watt will get a ton of 1 on 1s with Myles on the other side. With us Watt would possibly be the center of attention by the opposing Offense unless Oliver takes a huge step forward this yr.

[HOUSE]

I found, bought and moved into a house faster then this.

[whatdrought]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Allen>Mayfield without question.... I'd probably give the edge to Cleveland in terms of overall talent on the roster over Buffalo though..... but as we all know QB trumps everything. 

QB: Bills >>> Browns

RB: Bills <<< Browns

TE: Bills < Browns (given the amount of usage and the design of offense, this is closer than it should be.)

WR: Bills >>> Browns

OL: Bills << Browns 

 

DL: Bills < Browns

LB: Bills > Browns

DB: Bills >> Browns

 

ST: Bills > Browns

 

Coaching: Bills >> Browns

Edited February 18, 2021 by whatdrought

[YoloinOhio]

Random but funny. I’ll look for some recipes too while we wait for more watt updates. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s better but Mayfield is capable... They are loaded at the skills position(more than we are) and have a ton of talent on that defensive line..... disagree that they are even rosters. Bills have Allen, Diggs, White whom are elite, Beasley who is very good, and the rest of the roster are mostly JAGs . 

 

JAGs?  Please.  Cleveland might be more talented, and Allen, in my view, is the MVP given his worth to the roster.  But let's not let a bad day in the AFCC distort our view of what's going on here.  The secondary is basically fine.  Pass pro is fine.  RB and TE could use an upgrade.  Watt would be the necessary upgrade to d-line.  LBs are basically fine, and we'll survive if Milano goes.  STs are probably top third to top quarter of the league.  We could be better, but we're in good shape, and we have an ace at QB.  

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s better but Mayfield is capable... They are loaded at the skills position(more than we are) and have a ton of talent on that defensive line..... disagree that they are even rosters. Bills have Allen, Diggs, White whom are elite, Beasley who is very good, and the rest of the roster are mostly JAGs . 

The Bills have a top ten LT, arguably a top 5 safety duo, Hughes is anything but a JAG. The dude has 6 sacks in 5 career playoff games. 
 

why do you say the things you say? 

[Ya Digg?]

48 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

The Bills have a top ten LT, arguably a top 5 safety duo, Hughes is anything but a JAG. The dude has 6 sacks in 5 career playoff games. 
 

why do you say the things you say? 

I think he’s still traumatized by something that happened when he was a kid...I mean, just imagine what would’ve happened if he would’ve been the starting pitcher instead of the coach’s son!

[RyanC883]

Cle’s only advantages appears to be: 1.  Garrett if Watt is looking to play on the same line as a top player ; and 2.  cap space. 

[HOUSE]

Today JJ Watt will plug the Chiefs, tomorrow its the Rams

 

 

 

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Edited February 18, 2021 by HOUSE

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

24 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

I think he’s still traumatized by something that happened when he was a kid...I mean, just imagine what would’ve happened if he would’ve been the starting pitcher instead of the coach’s son!

 

[Bulldog]

14 hours ago, Process said:

I mean, any late round pick should be able to replace those guys just fine and for a lot less money. They were nothing but bodies out there for the most part this year. Can't recall a single big play made by either one.

 

Well ... I think that I can think of one big play by Zimmer that likely won us a game this year. I bet that Cam Newton & Bill Belichek probably remember that play too, lol.

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

And then who do the Browns have that are elite? Garrett, Ward and Chubb? 
 

You conveniently left out some very good players on the Bills but that’s cool too. 

 

Joel Bitonio is elite. Top 3 guard in the league for me after Nelson and Martin. Conklin if not elite is pretty close too and Landry is an elite slot receiver. I get it guard, right tackle and slot receiver are not the premium positions but each of those guys is worst case top 5 in the league in their spot. 

 

I actually don't think Ward is elite. I think he is good not great. He isn't a top 10 corner IMO. Their elite / near elite guys are Garret, Chubb, Bitonio, Conklin and Landry.

 

44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hughes is good... I think we overrate Hyde/Poyer a bit. They are smart, solid players who again, aren't anything spectacular, IMO. 

 

I say such things because I believe the team was basically carried by Allen to the AFC Championship game. He put the team on his back a lot over the course of the year. He makes the difference in what is an otherwise solid roster that lacks some essential components. 

 

 

 

I don't think we overrate Hyde and Poyer. Maybe Hyde a tad, but generally I think Bills fans underrate Poyer a tad. The thing with them is the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. They are a top 5 safety duo. They have stayed remarkably healthy which is really good fortune because I don't think either of them are top 10 safety talents but they are a brilliant combination that complement each other perfectly. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don't think Watt will sign for a while because of what's happening in Texas at the moment. At least that's what I guess. He's big in that community and the optics wouldn't look good. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Despite his personality traits OBJ is def elite when healthy. 

 

I discounted him because I think he has played his last game in Cleveland. But I agree, talent wise he absolutely is. 

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I discounted him because I think he has played his last game in Cleveland. But I agree, talent wise he absolutely is. 

Talent, yeah. But he hasn’t had elite production in about 5 years. A lot or that is due to injury, but still. Until he gets back to that level it’s hard to imagine him being described as elite for anything other than his name. 

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Talent, yeah. But he hasn’t had elite production in about 5 years. A lot or that is due to injury, but still. Until he gets back to that level it’s hard to imagine him being described as elite for anything other than his name. 

 

That's fair. He wasn't on my list. 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Hughes is good... I think we overrate Hyde/Poyer a bit. They are smart, solid players who again, aren't anything spectacular, IMO. 

 

I say such things because I believe the team was basically carried by Allen to the AFC Championship game. He put the team on his back a lot over the course of the year. He makes the difference in what is an otherwise solid roster that lacks some essential components. 

 

 

True.... until the defense carried them through the divisional..... Also i disagree with disregarding the massive statistical turnaround on defense from week 6 all the way into the playoffs.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Edmunds is solid on most days, nothing spectacular. He's not a difference maker. My guess is Milano is gone so they'll have to find his replacement. 

 

Cleveland has the more talented roster, IMO. The difference is Allen, who was incredible this past season and the reason they got to the Championship game. 

Yeah I think so too, but not by much. They have the slight edge in WR when OBJ is on the field. Think their TE's are a little better also. And their D is maybe to close to call, or maybe a little better, not by much.

 

Agree Allen is the difference.

[Reed83HOF]

I do find it hard to believe that JJ would sign as a division rival to his brothers...fwiw

[Brennan Huff]

10 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I do find it hard to believe that JJ would sign as a division rival to his brothers...fwiw

I don’t. They’re competitors. I think it would be the opposite 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Edmunds is solid on most days, nothing spectacular. He's not a difference maker. My guess is Milano is gone so they'll have to find his replacement. 

 

Cleveland has the more talented roster, IMO. The difference is Allen, who was incredible this past season and the reason they got to the Championship game. 

I think with how high Edmunds was drafted and these pro bowls that I don't think he deserved will make it almost impossible to sign him. He is going to ask for money that doesn’t add up with what you get on the field currently. I like Edmunds as a player and I know he is still young but if he asks to be paid as a top 5 at his position it’s going to be hard to swallow that. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I discounted him because I think he has played his last game in Cleveland. But I agree, talent wise he absolutely is. 

Yeah I think odds are slim that he isn’t moved. 

[Stank_Nasty]

21 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Definitely a better defense after week 8 or so.... I think part that had to do with the quality of offenses they played after getting through some tough ones. In the playoffs I’d day they were pretty bad against the Colts, excellent against the Ravens, and awful against the Chiefs. 
 

Really an up and down defense that got exposed in more than a handful of games. 

i cant disagree with a whole lot of this. But my original point remains you left out plenty of solid to downright good players in your broad stroked talent comment.

[Reed83HOF]

4 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

I don’t. They’re competitors. I think it would be the opposite 

Those teams hate each other, see all the trash talking

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I think with how high Edmunds was drafted and these pro bowls that I don't think he deserved will make it almost impossible to sign him. He is going to ask for money that doesn’t add up with what you get on the field currently. I like Edmunds as a player and I know he is still young but if he asks to be paid as a top 5 at his position it’s going to be hard to swallow that. 

I agree. I like him as well and think he can still pan out. But this year is so big for him. If he doesnt fix the massive inconsistency issues theres no way in h*** i'm ok with anything close to that sort of money. Luckily i trust the bills leadership to understand that as well.

[Brennan Huff]

12 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Those teams hate each other, see all the trash talking

Exactly

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Definitely a better defense after week 8 or so.... I think part that had to do with the quality of offenses they played after getting through some tough ones. In the playoffs I’d day they were pretty bad against the Colts, excellent against the Ravens, and awful against the Chiefs. 
 

Really an up and down defense that got exposed in more than a handful of games. 

 

I thought our defense was bad against the Colts in the last half of the 4th quarter.  We held them to only 10 points until the last 2 drives.

The defense played well and then collapsed.  

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I thought our defense was bad against the Colts in the last half of the 4th quarter.  We held them to only 10 points until the last 2 drives.

The defense played well and then collapsed.  

right. honestly other than that one quarter collapse in the wildcard the defense was easily playing at a top ten level for a solid 2 months leading up into the AFC title meltdown.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

right. honestly other than that one quarter collapse in the wildcard the defense was easily playing at a top ten level for a solid 2 months leading up into the AFC title meltdown.

 

I think when it was 24-10.....Buffalo's defense completely abandoned playing the run and then paid for it.  

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

At this point I don’t either.... next season is a big season for him. Regardless I expect them to pick up his 5th year option. 

I want to see 2-3 sacks. I want to see more TFL's. Sick and tired of watching him backpedal into oblivion. The youth argument is over.  Perform like an "actual" pro bowler or bu bye.....

Edited February 18, 2021 by LABILLBACKER

[YoloinOhio]

Yeah well your neighbors in OP will have a snowblower. This is entry level. 
 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

The Colts moved the ball all day. Think they punted twice in the game..... They turned the ball over on downs inside our 5 towards the end of the 2nd quarter after Rivers missed what would’ve been an easy TD if he hadn’t back peddled for no reason with absolutely no pressure, overthrowing an open receiver in the end zone with an off balanced throw. It turned the game around in the Bills favor..... thought it was a pretty subpar performance from the defense overall. 

 

 

 

So when the Bills played the Jets in the second game where we won 18-10....you were very satisfied with our offense that day?  Because we moved the ball all day and didn't punt once.  

 

Failed execution is part of the game on both sides of the ball for every team.  How many missed opportunities did we have against the Ravens?  

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah well your neighbors in OP will have a snowblower. This is entry level. 
 

 

 

I remember Mario Williams delivering groceries to people's houses (maybe even Jim Kelly's) after a bad storm in Buffalo too.

[Reed83HOF]

27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yeah well your neighbors in OP will have a snowblower. This is entry level. 
 

 

Unless he stinks and has a bad game, then he will have a dick drawn in his front yard

Edited February 18, 2021 by Reed83HOF

[HOUSE]

His snow removal technique sucks

 

pass

[Hebert19]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I thought our defense was bad against the Colts in the last half of the 4th quarter.  We held them to only 10 points until the last 2 drives.

The defense played well and then collapsed.  

This was a change in gameplan from coaching...less aggressive. 

[Ya Digg?]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think context is important. The Colts moved the ball with relative ease throughout the game. Rivers missed a few opportunities that were there to be had. I’m not going give credit to our defense for his miscues that had nothing to do with what the Bills defense did. 

You avoided his question-it’s a fair question in rebuttal to your argument 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

I think context is important. The Colts moved the ball with relative ease throughout the game. Rivers missed a few opportunities that were there to be had. I’m not going give credit to our defense for his miscues that had nothing to do with what the Bills defense did. 

 

We moved the ball with relative ease against the Jets.  We were in the redzone 6 times.  We were in FG range 8 times.  400+ yards of total offense and 26 first downs. And again...no punts.  So I would assume that you felt our offense played pretty damn good all day long against the Jets....right?  You wanted context....

 

You're right...nothing bogus happened to us in that game.  The Colts receiver clearly wasn't up when he fumbled right?  The call on the field was right?

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

His snow removal technique sucks

 

pass

I think that's TJ shoveling not JJ

[YoloinOhio]

Orly 

 

 

47 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

I think that's TJ shoveling not JJ

It is TJ. But that’s neither here nor there, it’s about the context. let’s back up to when he was released. Since then he’s tweeted three pics/videos, two were snow related and one was his wife eating wings with ❤️💙 emojis.