Andy Reid’s son admits drinking before accident that severely injured child [edited title]

[SirAndrew]

14 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The scary thing is, he’s been arrested and done jail time for drugs and if that wasn’t bad enough he lost his brother to addiction.   Yet that’s still not enough to scare him straight.  It seems like he has some real issues.  Also, the fact that he mixed adderrall with alcohol is probably not coincidence.  And what doctor prescribes an adult with substance abuse issue with a drug that can be used recreationally? 

All true, but did an article say a doctor prescribed the Aderall ? I’m not saying it isn’t possible, I’m just saying he could have gotten it anywhere. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

The scary thing is, he’s been arrested and done jail time for drugs and if that wasn’t bad enough he lost his brother to addiction.   Yet that’s still not enough to scare him straight.  It seems like he has some real issues.  Also, the fact that he mixed adderrall with alcohol is probably not coincidence.  And what doctor prescribes an adult with substance abuse issue with a drug that can be used recreationally? 

 

It's pretty common, actually.  One ...I hate to say trend, because it makes it sound like fashion - strategy in current addiction treatment-   is  that some people who become addicted have an underlying chemical imbalance in their brains due to a mental illness or ADHD or the like, and that they "self medicate" with drugs or alcohol.

 

So the idea is that treating the mental illness with antidepressants or ADHD drugs or whatever, will treat the underlying disease and make it easier for the patient to stay clean.

 

8 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

All true, but did an article say a doctor prescribed the Aderall ? I’m not saying it isn’t possible, I’m just saying he could have gotten it anywhere. 

 

Yeah, I think it said it was prescribed.  Edit: it quotes Britt Reid as saying it was prescribed: "He (Britt Reid) also said said he took Adderall by prescription."

 

It also said  "The search warrant application also references that a"a computer check revealed ... multiple prior DUI contacts." (maybe @LeviF91 can tell us what that means - that he was stopped on suspicion of DUI but not charged for some reason?  or charges negotiated down?)

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's pretty common, actually.  One ...I hate to say trend, because it makes it sound like fashion - strategy in current addiction treatment-   is  that some people who become addicted have an underlying chemical imbalance in their brains due to a mental illness or ADHD or the like, and that they "self medicate" with drugs or alcohol.

 

So the idea is that treating the mental illness with antidepressants or ADHD drugs or whatever, will treat the underlying disease and make it easier for the patient to stay clean.

 

 

Yeah, I think it said it was prescribed.  Edit: it quotes Britt Reid as saying it was prescribed: "He (Britt Reid) also said said he took Adderall by prescription."

 

It also said  "The search warrant application also references that a"a computer check revealed ... multiple prior DUI contacts." (maybe @LeviF91 can tell us what that means - that he was stopped on suspicion of DUI but not charged for some reason?  or charges negotiated down?)

 

 

He pled guilty to DUI in 2008.

[Not at the table Karlos]

Prayers for the child. 
 

 

Could that team get anymore trashy 

[Charles Romes]

League is looking very bad muzzling this story. 

[Southern_Bills]

To all the people saying substance abuse issues are complicated,  hard to deal with etc. I get it and you are correct.

 

Though that's one side of it, and I can guarantee propping the abuser up with a 200-300k/yr job after multiple run ins with LEO is not a way to get them to wake up.

 

They never feel the consequences of their actions, this guy has a family and lives in a very nice house with enough money to do whatever he wants within reason. I'm sure he doesn't see a real problem with his actions since his life is lovely. 

 

Outside of all that though, the NFL should have had him in the substance abuse program at the very least just like a player. Andy should have either not employed his son anymore so he would realize his actions do have consequence, or had him on a tight leash as far as substance abuse, no way this is his first time in "years" or anything. 

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

12 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

League is looking very bad muzzling this story. 

 

Don't take it as an attack....curious how it's being "muzzled" ?  it's on twitter, it's on ESPN.com...we are talking about it here....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said:

To all the people saying substance abuse issues are complicated,  hard to deal with etc. I get it and you are correct.

 

Though that's one side of it, and I can guarantee propping the abuser up with a 200-300k/yr job after multiple run ins with LEO is not a way to get them to wake up.

 

They never feel the consequences of their actions, this guy has a family and lives in a very nice house with enough money to do whatever he wants within reason. I'm sure he doesn't see a real problem with his actions since his life is lovely. 

 

Outside of all that though, the NFL should have had him in the substance abuse program at the very least just like a player. Andy should have either not employed his son anymore so he would realize his actions do have consequence, or had him on a tight leash as far as substance abuse, no way this is his first time in "years" or anything.

 

If I were a member of the NFLPA, I would be totally torqued at a double standard being applied to player run-ins with the law or substance abuse vs coaches

 

Remember last year where at the point Ed Oliver was pulled over on suspicion of DWI - no test results yet, no chargers (and the tests were clean thus charges never filed) - we were all up in arms criticizing Ed and predicting how many games his suspension would be?

 

Yet this on Andy Reid's son and a child fighting for his life in-hospital:

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The search warrant application also references that a"a computer check revealed ... multiple prior DUI contacts."

 

He should be suspended immediately pending further investigation.  If he's allowed to coach the Superbowl and paid for it that's a total crock.

[Southern_Bills]

5 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

Don't take it as an attack....curious how it's being "muzzled" ?  it's on twitter, it's on ESPN.com...we are talking about it here....

 

It's not muzzled IMO. I am curious if the league would let a player with Britts history even have a job, or let them trot out on SB Sunday after this event. 

 

IMO the league should block him from the facility pending investigation. I know he isn't someone that will cause KC to win or lose, it isn't about that.

[Zerovoltz]

Come on....the answer is is pretty simple.  Antonio Brown is going to play in this game.  They keep giving Josh Gordon chances.  Many would say Tyreek Hill is playing (see my thoughts on that earlier in this thread)

[SirAndrew]

14 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

Don't take it as an attack....curious how it's being "muzzled" ?  it's on twitter, it's on ESPN.com...we are talking about it here....

I just checked out NFL.com out of curiosity. I don’t know if I’ll say “muzzled”, but it is interesting how the accident is mentioned, but no mention of being under the influence in the article on the league website. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Found this article from 2007 interviewing Reid and his wife about Garrett Reid's struggles with addiction and their struggle to get him help.

 

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2007/12/20/exclusive-a-familys-struggle/

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I just checked out NFL.com out of curiosity. I don’t know if I’ll say “muzzled”, but it is interesting how the accident is mentioned, but no mention of being under the influence in the article on the league website. 

 

Wow, the headline is certainly interesting:  "Chiefs OLB coach Britt Reid, son of HC Andy Reid, involved in multi-car crash".  Now I'm sure the Reid family pays top-notch PR people and that technically, fault has not been found in the accident and the headline is technically correct albeit doesn't give a clear picture of the situation.

 

But it's a fact that the officer's report mentions alcohol, that Britt Reid admitted drinking, and that a warrant to test him for drugs and alcohol was obtained.

 

I think it would be appropriate to refer to the NFL.com article as "whitewashing"  It does say that he won't coach on Sunday:

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NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Friday night that Reid will not coach Sunday.

 

Compare for yourself:

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-olb-coach-britt-reid-son-of-hc-andy-reid-involved-in-multi-car-crash

 

https://www.kshb.com/sports/road-to-repeat/chiefs-assistant-coach-hurt-in-i-435-crash-that-injured-2-children-1-severely

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/britt-reid-admits-to-drinking-before-multicar-crash-that-left-a-child-with-life-threatening-injuries/ar-BB1dr3rz

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/05/chiefs-assistant-britt-reid-was-drinking-before-crash-child-has-life-threatening-injuries/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

14 hours ago, Success said:

Sad story. I'm sad for Reid, I'm sad for the families affected, I'm sad for everyone.

 

Just terrible news.  Really puts the game way down the list.

 

 

 

This ^^^ Hopefully, the child fully recovers. 

[Niagara Dude]

15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yikes. Prayers to the child. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kshb.com/sports/road-to-repeat/chiefs-assistant-coach-hurt-in-i-435-crash-that-injured-2-children-1-severely%3f_amp=true

Telling an officer you had 2-3 drinks is not a firm answer,  this usually means you had more and when you add his medication he was on that is a deadly combo.  How in the hell do you ram into two cars on an off ramp? 

 

Prayers to the family and the kids in the hospital

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

Come on....the answer is is pretty simple.  Antonio Brown is going to play in this game.  They keep giving Josh Gordon chances.  Many would say Tyreek Hill is playing (see my thoughts on that earlier in this thread)

 

Weren't Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon subjected to significant discipline including the Commissioner's Exempt List and suspensions?

 

45 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

League is looking very bad muzzling this story. 

 

Just curious, I do see what I regard as slanted coverage on the NFL.com site, but how is the league muzzling it in your view?

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Weren't Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon subjected to significant discipline including the Commissioner's Exempt List and suspensions?

 

 

Just curious, I do see what I regard as slanted coverage on the NFL.com site, but how is the league muzzling it in your view?

 

They were.  I was just answering the question of would Britt play if he was a player.  I guess I could have elaborated a little futher....I should have said, if not in the midst of serving a suspension, then he would.  I would guess, he would also be subject to league discipline on this if he were a player....and I do understand where the questioner was going.....seems there is a double standard for when a coach, GM, owner does this stuff.

[Big Turk]

Wow...forget football for a minute and pray for the family that the kids are OK.

 

Doubt he ever coaches again in the NFL and it would be surprising of he avoids jail time.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

They were.  I was just answering the question of would Britt play if he was a player.  I guess I could have elaborated a little futher....I should have said, if not in the midst of serving a suspension, then he would.  I would guess, he would also be subject to league discipline on this if he were a player....and I do understand where the questioner was going.....seems there is a double standard for when a coach, GM, owner does this stuff.

 

I think this is the sort of thing that would put a player on the "Commissioner's Exempt List" to not play pending investigation, so I don't think a player who did similar would play.

 

Yeah, the perception of "double standard" is my thing.

[SirAndrew]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Wow, the headline is certainly interesting:  "Chiefs OLB coach Britt Reid, son of HC Andy Reid, involved in multi-car crash".  Now I'm sure the Reid family pays top-notch PR people and that technically, fault has not been found in the accident and the headline is technically correct albeit doesn't give a clear picture of the situation.

 

But it's a fact that the officer's report mentions alcohol, that Britt Reid admitted drinking, and that a warrant to test him for drugs and alcohol was obtained.

 

I think it would be appropriate to refer to the NFL.com article as "whitewashing"  It does say that he won't coach on Sunday:

 

Compare for yourself:

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-olb-coach-britt-reid-son-of-hc-andy-reid-involved-in-multi-car-crash

 

https://www.kshb.com/sports/road-to-repeat/chiefs-assistant-coach-hurt-in-i-435-crash-that-injured-2-children-1-severely

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/britt-reid-admits-to-drinking-before-multicar-crash-that-left-a-child-with-life-threatening-injuries/ar-BB1dr3rz

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/05/chiefs-assistant-britt-reid-was-drinking-before-crash-child-has-life-threatening-injuries/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/britt-reid-accident-kansas-city/index.html

 

 

I agree, whitewashing is the perfect definition. I can also see how someone might use the word “muzzled”,  it could be more of an argument over semantics than the actual sentiment. Regardless, my biggest takeaway harkens back to a point you made in a previous post. There appears to be a disparity between the treatment of coaches and players. Would this whitewashed article be written about a player ? The league so often says the right thing, but something like this could easily be viewed as an insult to players. 

 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Going for the Bucs Sunday?

Nope. I won’t cheer for either team. This Super Bowl is not of much interest to me this year unfortunately. Too many unlikable characters. Hill, Brown, Reid, Brady, Suh, etc. 

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree, whitewashing is the perfect definition. I can also see how someone might use the word “muzzled”,  it could be more of an argument over semantics than the actual sentiment. Regardless, my biggest takeaway harkens back to a point you made in a previous post. There appears to be a disparity between the treatment of coaches and players. Would this whitewashed article be written about a player ? The league so often says the right thing, but something like this could easily be viewed as an insult to players. 

 

 

I agree with your sentiment....but I would say that if Britt Reid is still a coach after this....then you'd have "whitewashing" at its finest / worst. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

15 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Prayers for the five year old and family.  Without commenting specifically on Reid, I’ll just share my opinion that driving after having even one adult beverage is astoundingly selfish.

Don’t go to a Bills game when the fans empty out of the stadium. I’m guessing at least 40,000 are driving with at least 1 beer.

[stinky finger]

8 minutes ago, chknwing334 said:

Nope. I won’t cheer for either team. This Super Bowl is not of much interest to me this year unfortunately. Too many unlikable characters. Hill, Brown, Reid, Brady, Suh, etc. 

 

There's bad eggs on a lot of teams. Where do you draw the line?

 

Are you watching the game? How can you enjoy without a rooting interest?

 

Not trying to be a smartass.

[Bermuda Triangle]

Truly a trash organization, from top to bottom

[Punching Bag]

23 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Don’t go to a Bills game when the fans empty out of the stadium. I’m guessing at least 40,000 are driving with at least 1 beer.

 

1 beer is not under influence for most people especially if they ate.  Exaggeration to make a point.

 

And when you do so the point is at end of your cap.

[BADOLBILZ]

30 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Don’t go to a Bills game when the fans empty out of the stadium. I’m guessing at least 40,000 are driving with at least 1 beer.

 

I shudder to think about 40,000 cars at a Bills game.    I don't think you have much experience attending games or are just really bad at math.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

1 beer is not under influence for most people especially if they ate.  Exaggeration to make a point.

 

And when you do so the point is at end of your cap.

 

He was responding to a chap who said "I’ll just share my opinion that driving after having even one adult beverage is astoundingly selfish.", perhaps you should direct your quip there

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

15 hours ago, Augie said:

 

“Ignorance” has such a negative connotation that I hate to use the word here. It just means a lack of knowledge or awareness. I’m seeing a lot of that here. 

 

Of course the victims get the bulk of my sympathy. It’s a HORRIBLE tragedy. I also feel for the Reid family. They have already suffered so much. If you know anything about addiction, it muddies these waters. To call Andy Reid “such a poor father” actually makes me feel sorry for you. How many times have you met Andy Reid? How well do you know him and his family? Who are you to judge? Sometimes things go off the rails no matter how hard you try to fix it. Kids from ALL socio-economic backgrounds run into trouble. That’s a fact. 

 

Sometimes in life $%#& happens. I won’t judge you, you just don’t know.  I just ask that you judge less yourself. That, of course, is totally up to you in the end. We just don’t know what we don’t know. 

 

We lost a son to addiction, as others here have. You have NO IDEA what we went thru and how hard we tried.  Don’t be too proud if the dice rolled right for you. Our other son has an outstanding future ahead. Same genes, same values, just a different outcome. Life happens.......

 

As we heard from a great kid/patient at family weekend in rehab, parents take way too much credit and get way too much blame for how their kids turn out. Parents would come congratulate me after our kids sporting events. I’d say “I did nothing, but he played a great game! Just don’t tell him because he doesn’t need a big head!”   

 

 

 

 

 

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Great post.

 

Sometimes as parents you try as hard as you can and your kids just turn out the way they do.

 

It doesn't make you a bad father.

 

If anything Andy just spent too much time away at work trying to provide for his family. 

 

Not unlike the working class dad who's working 2 jobs just to make ends meet.

 

Neither are bad fathers 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

42 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I shudder to think about 40,000 cars at a Bills game.    I don't think you have much experience attending games or are just really bad at math.

That stadium holds 71,078 people, if anything my projection is low. Have you seen how much drinking goes on in those lots? 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

1 hour ago, inaugural balls said:

 

There's bad eggs on a lot of teams. Where do you draw the line?

 

Are you watching the game? How can you enjoy without a rooting interest?

 

Not trying to be a smartass.

I will enjoy the game because I will be with a few close family members and we are making some great food. Who wins the game is not very important to me this year. I’ll root for my numbers to come up. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

14 hours ago, chknwing334 said:

Tyreek Hill likes to beat up pregnant women and 3 year olds. Does that count as a reason? 

Let's be honest here.

 

We would all take Hill on the Bills in a new york minute under the same exact circumstances. 

 

Am I right ?

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Let's be honest here.

 

We would all take Hill on the Bills in a new york minute under the same exact circumstances. 

 

Am I right ?

Nope.  I would not cheer for Hill.  I can't speak for others.

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

That stadium holds 71,078 people, if anything my projection is low. Have you seen how much drinking goes on in those lots? 

 

 

Our tailgating group has 30+ people and they usually show up in about 8 cars.   6-8 in our vehicle.  Only a couple solo drivers.   That's to say nothing of the buses..........or the RV's that aren't leaving right after the game.   40,000 drivers?  Like I said your math is just really, really bad.   

[RochesterLifer]

22 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

That stadium holds 71,078 people, if anything my projection is low. Have you seen how much drinking goes on in those lots? 

You're making BADOBILZ point for him/her. There is no way that traffic to the game averages less than two attendees per vehicle. Have you ever attended a game - seen the traffic? Vehicles easily average 2+ per. I will guess (11 year season ticket holder, so observational knowledge) a three per car average with a significant number of buses. So, let's half your estimate and liberally say 20,000 vehicles. My guess is yes, you are really bad at math.

Edited February 6, 2021 by RochesterLifer

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

3 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

I want to once again revisit Tyreek Hill.  Hill is not a "good" dude.  I am not here to convince you he is.  I would however implore you, to consider that there is more to his case than the bits the media has hit on.  It's a FACT that he was convicted of hitting/beating his pregnant girlfriend.  It's also a FACT that the state of Kansas awarded him sole custody of his children once all the dust setlled on the case where he was accused of breaking his kids arm.  The state determined that the mom was likely to have been the person to break the kids arm...the state determined that she and her mother were making false statements, lying, tyring to frame Hill etc.....this was the same woman involved in the college pregnant girlfriend incident.  In recorderings....she admits she made that story up back then....and when you look at actual evidence in that case.....you can make a compelling case that he didn't beat her.  He had no money back then for a lawyer and in a "he said/she said" domestic violence case, it was advisable to plead out to avoid jail time.  Again...Hill isn't a good dude....being involved in these kind of issues more than once isn't a good sign...and saying the crap he's said...suggests he's not a good dude....you don't have to like him..you can hate him all you want.......but he's still in the NFL..and never got the hammer brought down on him from Goodell because there was nothing to bring it down for.  That's all....the narrative that he broke his kids arm gets old... 

Is there any proof of this statement?  I looked and did not find anything other than that he applied for custody.  I'm not saying it isn't true, but I would think it would be easier to find if it was true.

 

A lot of this sounds similar to when we had to listen to the Patriots*** fans explain how the cheating was just a misunderstanding.  One of my favorites was that Brady called the equipment guy "the deflator" because he lost a lot of weight recently.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 minute ago, RochesterLifer said:

Your making BADOBILZ point for him/her. There is no way that traffic to the game averages less than to attendees per vehicle. Have you ever attended again me - seen the traffic? Vehicles easily average 2+ per. I will guess (11 year season ticket holder, so obsvathona;l knowledge) a three per car average with a significant number of buses. So, let's half your estimate and liberally say 20,000 vehicles. My guess is yes, you are really bad at math.

My feeling are hurt, I’m a extremely sensitive person

[RochesterLifer]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

My feeling are hurt, I’m a extremely sensitive person

 Well played, sir.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Found this article from 2007 interviewing Reid and his wife about Garrett Reid's struggles with addiction and their struggle to get him help.

 

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2007/12/20/exclusive-a-familys-struggle/

 

This is a great article that I re-posted for those who skipped past it the first time. It gives you an idea of what it’s like to live thru a child’s addiction.

 

You do everything in your power, but you realize despite these efforts some things you just cannot control. You just do the best you can. It hangs over you and it’s always there. While everyone else is watching the slides go by in the sales meeting, you’re wondering if they are still alive. It’s hard to adequately describe. 

[TheFunPolice]

It's sad all around, and I agree with those who say you can't say it's Andy Reid's fault. This guy is not a "kid." He's in his mid-30's for crying out loud.

 

Andy is trying to give him a structured environment and a career option so that he can get himself together.  I can't fault Andy Reid for this. 

 

That said, Britt has seriously injured a child, likely cost his father a legacy defining win, hurt his father's reputation, cost his players (who look to him as a coach for leadership) a title, and ruined a solid and well-paying career due to his actions. 

 

I don't agree with or like the rush to judgement on Andy Reid as being a "bad father" or "enabling" his son. Anyone who has dealt with someone who is addicted to drugs or alcohol understands how powerful and destructive both can be. There is no "magic fix" like "if he just was around more" or "if he just disciplined them more."

 

It doesn't work that way.