Royale with Cheese Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Tua hasn't looked good from what I can see. However after seeing Allen's growth, I'm not going to label QB's early....his growth is astonishing. I am confident that Tua will be nothing more than average but I have been wrong....very wrong before. Specifically with Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghs24mike Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Tua hasn't looked good from what I can see. However after seeing Allen's growth, I'm not going to label QB's early....his growth is astonishing. I am confident that Tua will be nothing more than average but I have been wrong....very wrong before. Specifically with Josh Allen. Tua doesn't have the raw physical ability that Josh has. Tua, if all the stars aligned and he is the best version possible is in the same mold as Drew Brees. Very accurate and can pick your defense apart, but cant make ALL the throws and struggles when things break down. Josh always had the physical tools to be a transcendent player if he could put them together. It's a tough comparison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Figster said: Gaileys resignation suggests the person that probably knows best may not have been completely sold on Tua IMO. In all honesty I can see Gailey resigning because of how unfair things were to Fitz and the team. I have a feeling the FO dictated to Flores to get Tua in, but it was handled badly, unfortunately. It's a tough situation. You need to get a look at Tua but you're cutting the team's wrists to do it. At this point I think Flores should have stood up and refused to play Tua unless he had proved in practice able to execute the offense and lead the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, so it’s talking about his actual throwing motion from start to release. Yes, which from a speed/ timing standpoint getting from point A to point B it helps make up for the lower overall velocity of the throw IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 54 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Very good point. Watching Tua play, it seems he lost the ability to turn and step into his throws. Anything long the ball sails. Maybe its mechanics, maybe its the hip- at this point I am not sure but he does nothing for me so he should stay put in Miami lol. It's likely mechanics. 43 minutes ago, mannc said: You 100 percent do not know that. Don’t announce it like it’s an established fact. Wow, such a strong reaction. Are you hoping it happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Doc said: Wow, such a strong reaction. Are you hoping it happens? No, i just dislike it when people assert something as an established fact (with nothing to back it up) when they actually have no idea whether it will happen or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, teef said: it's shocking that a rookie qb isn't full developed after one season. He lasted longer than Rosen did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mannc said: No, i just dislike it when people assert something as an established fact (with nothing to back it up) when they actually have no idea whether it will happen or not. There's no established fact to say he will be traded. He's under contract, he hasn't asked for a trade and the Texans don't want to trade him. Until that changes, I'm sticking with him staying put. Edited January 13, 2021 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Captain Caveman said: Uh oh, echoes of Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. is Ryan Fitzpatrick's last gift to Buffalo ***** over the Dolphins a la Flutie? Flutie served his purpose. He filled the stands with Canadians and made Ralph $$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 impossible, remember what Tua said after he won the first few games he started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Man, I hope not. Fitz as a Cheat? <shudder> Well, he did play college ball in Boston ... 12 minutes ago, Doc said: It's likely mechanics. Someone posted a twitter thread analysis with video of Tua's physical decline since Alabama. I think it might have been @Hapless Bills Fan. It's pretty interesting. He can't move as well, and he doesn't really push off very well on his back leg (the leg with the hip issues) relative to how he pushed off when he was at Alabama. Maybe it gets better over time, but who knows. Right now, though, he's not the same player physically as before the injury. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: If the Texans trade Watson to Miami I hope the entire franchise burns to the ground. How dumb do you have to be to trade a top 5 QB to an AFC opponent. Lets hope they hire whoever Watson wants as HC and he shuts up Their franchise has been burning to to the ground for a couple years, McNair family are terrible owners, brain-dead. Really sad thing is the Texans have had great fan support but after the past two year I think their streak of selling every home game is going to end, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Well, he did play college ball in Boston ... Someone posted a twitter thread analysis with video of Tua's physical decline since Alabama. I think it might have been @Hapless Bills Fan. It's pretty interesting. He can't move as well, and he doesn't really push off very well on his back leg (the leg with the hip issues) relative to how he pushed off when he was at Alabama. Maybe it gets better over time, but who knows. Right now, though, he's not the same player physically as before the injury. Don't ever tell him about Jordan Palmer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Flutie (Fitz) vs RJ (Tua) 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, syhuang said: impossible, remember what Tua said after he won the first few games he started... If you want to mock ..... Use Spell . Grammar checker The now learned his lesson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: I'd love to hear the Miami war room debate about Tua vs Herbert last year. Miami fans were absolutely dying to get Tua and would have been crushed if they took Herbert. I wonder if the fan's craziness for Tua had anything to do with the pick, or am I just dumb for thinking the teams care what the fans want...? The fans wanted Rosen .. so I don't think the organizations (at least the good ones) care. They know if they can build a good team that wins .. the fans will forget how mad they were at the organization for "botching" a draft pick. Anybody still mad we took Allen over Rosen. There were people who swore they were done with this team ... I highly suspect they have managed their way back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: In all honesty I can see Gailey resigning because of how unfair things were to Fitz and the team. I have a feeling the FO dictated to Flores to get Tua in, but it was handled badly, unfortunately. It's a tough situation. You need to get a look at Tua but you're cutting the team's wrists to do it. At this point I think Flores should have stood up and refused to play Tua unless he had proved in practice able to execute the offense and lead the team. In all fairnes to Flores it appears he tried to juggle doing both and had Fitz stayed healthy he would have been given the chance to play in the Bills game IMO. Good HC IMO. I hope it works out for the best where Tua is concerned. The team standing behind him is the kind of relations you need to have going forward If its going to work. Edited January 13, 2021 by Figster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: I'd love to hear the Miami war room debate about Tua vs Herbert last year. Miami fans were absolutely dying to get Tua and would have been crushed if they took Herbert. I wonder if the fan's craziness for Tua had anything to do with the pick, or am I just dumb for thinking the teams care what the fans want...? our fans were praying for Rosen or Darnold if he fell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Big Turk said: Is he really that accurate? I saw some throws that didn't look too accurate when we played them last week He throws one heck of a five yard lob pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 hours ago, teef said: it's shocking that a rookie qb isn't full developed after one season. He also is coming off a major injury. I am skeptical. He appears to lack arms strength AND accuracy. Not a recipe for success in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 57 minutes ago, syhuang said: impossible, remember what Tua said after he won the first few games he started... I'm not sure as Bill's fans we should be condemning QB's for saying something dumb. Sure, Allen was a teenager when he said the things he'd regret, but let's give Tua a bit of a break to eat his humble pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Rc2catch said: It should be illegal to post any story featuring “anonymous sources” Not just sports. In all aspects of reporting there needs to be accountability. Doesn’t matter your religion, race, political beliefs, virtually all news in at least the United States needs a revamp and some accountability measures put in. Did dolphin players actually say that? Or is the reporter feeling that and needed clicks? This stuff shouldn’t be allowed. People have something to say you need to put your name to it. Good luck getting any stories. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIrvine Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, FLFan said: He throws one heck of a five yard lob pass. At Alabama they turned into 65 yard touchdowns. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Their franchise has been burning to to the ground for a couple years, McNair family are terrible owners, brain-dead. Really sad thing is the Texans have had great fan support but after the past two year I think their streak of selling every home game is going to end, Really? Pretty sure they just won back to back AFC South Titles in 2018 and 2019. Also pretty sure they beat the Bills in the playoffs last year and lost to the World Champions. That isn't exactly burning a team to the ground. The Bills have one division title in 25 years. The Texans have two division titles in just the last 3 seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, CIrvine said: At Alabama they turned into 65 yard touchdowns. Yeah and routinely Davonta Smith was Alabama's 4th or 5th best wr last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Reader said: I'm not sure as Bill's fans we should be condemning QB's for saying something dumb. Sure, Allen was a teenager when he said the things he'd regret, but let's give Tua a bit of a break to eat his humble pie. Sure, as long as we consider a 22 years old is still a teenager. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BITE ME said: Really? Pretty sure they just won back to back AFC South Titles in 2018 and 2019. Also pretty sure they beat the Bills in the playoffs last year and lost to the World Champions. That isn't exactly burning a team to the ground. The Bills have one division title in 25 years. The Texans have two division titles in just the last 3 seasons. Did you read what i wrote genius? I said a couple of years, i suppose to be precise I should have written 13 months. Yes they are burning their franchise to the ground. Traded away the best receiver in the NFL for a washed up RB. Wasting one of the great careers in Deshaun Watson who now wants to leave. Wasted number one pick in Clowney, Have squandered their future giving away top draft picks. Have a dysfunctional assistant GM in Jack Esterby. Failed to get their GM in time to interview Eric Bienemy who is now locked up until KC loses. Have no HC. Wasted JJ Watt who is nearing the end. What they did and where they are headed are two radically different directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, eball said: Good luck getting any stories. I’d rather not get stories if there’s no truth or fact behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said: The fans wanted Rosen .. so I don't think the organizations (at least the good ones) care. They know if they can build a good team that wins .. the fans will forget how mad they were at the organization for "botching" a draft pick. Anybody still mad we took Allen over Rosen. There were people who swore they were done with this team ... I highly suspect they have managed their way back Tank for Tua was a big thing for Dolphins fans though, I feel like they would have rioted if Herbert was the pick over Tua. I bet that was in their minds when they made the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITE ME Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Did you read what i wrote genius? I said a couple of years, i suppose to be precise I should have written 13 months. Yes they are burning their franchise to the ground. Traded away the best receiver in the NFL for a washed up RB. Wasting one of the great careers in Deshaun Watson who now wants to leave. Wasted number one pick in Clowney, Have squandered their future giving away top draft picks. Have a dysfunctional assistant GM in Jack Esterby. Failed to get their GM in time to interview Eric Bienemy who is now locked up until KC loses. Have no HC. Wasted JJ Watt who is nearing the end. What they did and where they are headed are two radically different directions. 13 months is not a couple of years. Any team that has won a division title in 2 of the last 3 years is doing something right. They might be tearing it all down because they realized after last year they will NEVER beat the Chiefs with the type of team they constructed. And your arguments are ridiculous. They will have a head coach when the playoffs are over and they have already requested an interview with Bienemy. Who cares if the interview is during the playoffs or after the playoffs. And "wasting" players is so ridiculous. They won 3 division titles in the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jangalang Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Bills fan/Tua defender. Amazon Next Gen Stats says the 2 of the top 3 worst WR's in separation this season were...Devante Parker and Mike Gesicki. Give the man a few decent players to throw to before judging him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, jangalang said: Bills fan/Tua defender. Amazon Next Gen Stats says the 2 of the top 3 worst WR's in separation this season were...Devante Parker and Mike Gesicki. Give the man a few decent players to throw to before judging him. Tua looks to be much better than your typical Bills fan here gives him credit for, down the road. He still has a way to go with development. Then we have the rumors of Watson maybe going there too think about too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, jangalang said: Bills fan/Tua defender. Amazon Next Gen Stats says the 2 of the top 3 worst WR's in separation this season were...Devante Parker and Mike Gesicki. Give the man a few decent players to throw to before judging him. I would not have guessed that for Gesicki, maybe Fitz is just a lot better than given credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, BITE ME said: 13 months is not a couple of years. Any team that has won a division title in 2 of the last 3 years is doing something right. They might be tearing it all down because they realized after last year they will NEVER beat the Chiefs with the type of team they constructed. And your arguments are ridiculous. They will have a head coach when the playoffs are over and they have already requested an interview with Bienemy. Who cares if the interview is during the playoffs or after the playoffs. And "wasting" players is so ridiculous. They won 3 division titles in the last 5 years. yeah right, ridiculous, trading the NFLs best WR, trading away their high draft picks no a big deal, right? Yeah they are a well oiled machine which is why their number one guy that signed a multi-million long term contract wants out. And why the ONE guy in their ring of honor, Andre Johnson just blasted the organization in a tweet yesterday. What they DID and where they are headed are two polar opposites, believe it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: yeah right, ridiculous, trading the NFLs best WR, trading away their high draft picks no a big deal, right? Yeah they are a well oiled machine which is why their number one guy that signed a multi-million long term contract wants out. And why the ONE guy in their ring of honor, Andre Johnson just blasted the organization in a tweet yesterday. What they DID and where they are headed are two polar opposites, believe it or not. NFL teams that are on the right path always fire their Head Coach and General Manager... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Don’t think this means anything at all.... I’m sure Bills players thought the same of Allen initially. I'll bet not. Peterman? Sure. But no effin' way Josh. This is a team that missed the playoffs because the they forced Tua into the starter's role. Wasted a year of their career in an experiment. Sorry, Scott. Edited January 13, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Don’t think this means anything at all.... I’m sure Bills players thought the same of Allen initially. No, they did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Don’t think this means anything at all.... I’m sure Bills players thought the same of Allen initially. Yeah, and you'd be wrong. Different situation, different circumstances. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 You lose the locker room if you don't put the quarterback in there that gives your team the best chance to win right now. Especially when you're a playoff contender. They don't care what the current state of your franchise is. This is on Flores. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Beast said: You should make a thread about how Tua is done. LOL You want to be my co-author?😃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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