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5 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Colts O-Line absolutely destroyed our D-Line and I think that spilled into our LB’s making poor decisions. The Colts O-Line was just pushing us off the LOS like it was child’s play, Im surprised they didn’t run the football a lot more then they already did. 
 

The Good news is we will not see a O-Line of that caliber the rest of the way. The Colts are a very good team capable of beating any team in the playoffs. 

Not big enough on the DL

3 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Milano really did have an oddly poor game. Certainly not typical for him so I am not too worried.

 

Edmunds on the other hand,,,,IF YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HIS ROLE IN SEAN'S DEFENSE , played one of his best games if not his best game of the season! This is 2 playoff games in a row where Edmunds was the best player out there on D for us. Lots of breakups and helped immensely in keeping Taylor under 4 ypc.

Thomas-Smith- Reed...Edmunds had a good game, I just wish he would get the pads lower when needed. Milano was not at his best but his s entire body of work, when healthy, is really good- he gets a pass.

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I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB.  Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him.   The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying

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Regarding Milano not staying with his man in coverage, are you referring to the play where Milano passed off his guy to Tre as per the design of the defense, but Tre mistakenly went in the wrong direc

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Milano was also the one that got the stop on Indy's first 2 pt conversion attempt. Yes he had a bad game, it doesn't erase all the good he has done this year

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8 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

I'm not sure I have ever seen a worse performance from a LB.  Every single play the Bills were beat on was because of him.

 

The guy was blitzing the wrong lane, missing tackles, not staying with his man in coverage, and consistently out of position.

 

They needed to make the switch early to go to Klein and Milano should have been glued to bench.

 

So..........is it safe to say that you are on the fence regarding the mega contract extension???    🤷‍♂️

 

 

EDIT: On a positive note, thank you for not saying Milano should OF been benched. I’ll take that as one little victory!   :)

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Milano had an odd game. He was either terrible or great. I’ll assume he was over hyped for the playoffs. But yes, in general he was a total mess.

case of the yips , it appeared.

13 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Milano really did have an oddly poor game. Certainly not typical for him so I am not too worried.

 

Edmunds on the other hand,,,,IF YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND HIS ROLE IN SEAN'S DEFENSE , played one of his best games if not his best game of the season! This is 2 playoff games in a row where Edmunds was the best player out there on D for us. Lots of breakups and helped immensely in keeping Taylor under 4 ypc.

I did notice.

very play aware and quick to the ball. With very good execution Sat.

 yes i just wrote that :)

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6 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Someone tell me a player who had a PERFECT game.  
 

l’ll wait for the answer.  
 

complain complain complain 

 

if Milano is soooooo bad the coaches would bench him. 
 

None of them.  That said, Milano didn’t have his best game yesterday.  No excuses need to be made for him.  He is a good player and, hopefully, he can be re-signed.  But he is not beyond criticism.  The same as anyone else on the team.   

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3 hours ago, purple haze said:

None of them.  That said, Milano didn’t have his best game yesterday.  No excuses need to be made for him.  He is a good player and, hopefully, he can be re-signed.  But he is not beyond criticism.  The same as anyone else on the team.   


I never said a player is beyond criticism. 

 

but this obsession by some to say he should be cut is ridiculous IMO. 

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Position grades: Matt Milano's versatility shined vs. Colts

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/position-grades-matt-milanos-versatility-shined-vs-colts/article_2ba7fe7a-537d-11eb-940b-1755b67a8bb4.html


 

Matt Milano was at his versatile best in Saturday’s win over the Indianapolis Colts.

Milano led the Bills with 11 tackles. He used his range to make three tackles for 1 yard less in pass coverage. He had four run stuffs for limited yards. He added one pass breakup and one hurry on a blitz against Colts quarterback Philip Rivers.

 

LIES ALL LIES!!!

 

How dare you give us a professionals opinion on a fan board! 
 

off with you I say!!!

 

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11 hours ago, Captain_Quint said:

Saw that too. It was on White for that play from what I saw. 

 

This. I think it is something Indy saw on film on how to confuse our zone - they ran a guy just to the middle of that corner zone to clear out the DB responsible for that zone, then ran another receiver into the vacated zone. That was not on Milano, just a well-designed play reminiscent of many that Daboll draws up for our receivers vs zone.

 

Personally thought we needed to shift into more cover-0 with maybe just one safety over top and bring more heat on Rivers. He beat our blitzes a few times, but scuttling back into the zone defense they were eating up did not feel like the right answer.

 

It is interesting in regards to our two primary starting LB's. PFF (I know, but hard to think there is a lot of bias here) has Tremaine as 52nd best LB in the league and Milano as 59th. I have heard the age discussion for Edmunds but honestly there are plenty of LBs ranked before him that are 22 years old like he is. Dodson is actually ranked higher than both... so interesting.

 

It also should give Beane an idea of where they fit on the contract scale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:


I never said a player is beyond criticism. 

 

but this obsession by some to say he should be cut is ridiculous IMO. 


 

Matt Milano was at his versatile best in Saturday’s win over the Indianapolis Colts.

Milano led the Bills with 11 tackles. He used his range to make three tackles for 1 yard less in pass coverage. He had four run stuffs for limited yards. He added one pass breakup and one hurry on a blitz against Colts quarterback Philip Rivers.

 

LIES ALL LIES!!!

 

How dare you give us a professionals opinion on a fan board! 
 

off with you I say!!!

 

[end sarcasm]

I don’t know if most are saying that, but I disagree that the Bills should be in a hurry to let Milano go.  I disagree with that sentiment on Edmunds as well.  He takes much more heat on the board than Milano .  There seems to be a thing on this board that one or two players have to be found and made a whipping boy even when the team is doing well.  It’s strange to say the least.

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4 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

This. I think it is something Indy saw on film on how to confuse our zone - they ran a guy just to the middle of that corner zone to clear out the DB responsible for that zone, then ran another receiver into the vacated zone. That was not on Milano, just a well-designed play reminiscent of many that Daboll draws up for our receivers vs zone.

 

This rings true.  Hopefully they will make adjustments

 

4 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

Personally thought we needed to shift into more cover-0 with maybe just one safety over top and bring more heat on Rivers. He beat our blitzes a few times, but scuttling back into the zone defense they were eating up did not feel like the right answer.

 

um-do you actually understand how  cover-0 gets beaten?  Rivers would have killed us, which is why we didnt

 

4 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

It is interesting in regards to our two primary starting LB's. PFF (I know, but hard to think there is a lot of bias here) has Tremaine as 52nd best LB in the league and Milano as 59th. I have heard the age discussion for Edmunds but honestly there are plenty of LBs ranked before him that are 22 years old like he is. Dodson is actually ranked higher than both... so interesting.

 

Sorry, but any ranking where Dodson is ranked ahead of Milano and Edmunds is a bad ranking.  It does not pass the eyeball test.

 

 

 

 

 

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45 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

This... you guys don't think our Dline had a crap game?

 

They were absolutely horrible and will be the reason the Bills season ends at some point

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19 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

i They were absolutely horrible and will be the reason the Bills season ends at some point

In a video they were showing some comparisons to the early 90's team. We need a stud Dline man. if you agree, does this happen through draft or  FA Ngakou?

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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This rings true.  Hopefully they will make adjustments

 

 

I think this only works if the QB has all day to let that late arriving receiver come across the field and into that vacated zone sans coverage hand-off. Rivers had all day, so probably the best adjustment we could make is to do a better job pressuring the next QB and forcing him to get rid of it earlier.

 

We have done similar plays ourselves when Allen has had (or bought more) time; bringing receivers out of the slot or bunch on the right all the way across to the deep left after clearing out that zone and taking advantage of a miscommunication on the coverage hand-off.

 

Also, you are right. If we can't get to the opposing QB we have to be a lot tighter and more disciplined in zone, but hard to expect db's, linebackers, and safeties to hold coverage that long.

 

 

Here's hoping we have a better defensive plan against the Ravens that does not rely on the Ravens imploding on our doorstep over and over after marching down the field virtually unimpeded :)

 

 

 

 

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Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

In a video they were showing some comparisons to the early 90's team. We need a stud Dline man. if you agree, does this happen through draft or  FA Ngakou?

 

We already have one in Oliver; unfortunately he's being supported by four guys who are fringe NFL players at what is arguably the most important position on the defense. I had some hope for Butler but he's maddeningly inconsistent; Jefferson, Phillips and Zimmer are just getting buried out there.

I think rebuilding the DT rotation should be the Bills #1 priority this offseason and I would prefer they do it with veterans because NFL windows can be very limited and I want to see them take a run at a championship next year.

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3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I think this only works if the QB has all day to let that late arriving receiver come across the field and into that vacated zone sans coverage hand-off. Rivers had all day, so probably the best adjustment we could make is to do a better job pressuring the next QB and forcing him to get rid of it earlier.

 

We have done similar plays ourselves when Allen has had (or bought more) time; bringing receivers out of the slot or bunch on the right all the way across to the deep left after clearing out that zone and taking advantage of a miscommunication on the coverage hand-off.

 

Also, you are right. If we can't get to the opposing QB we have to be a lot tighter and more disciplined in zone, but hard to expect db's, linebackers, and safeties to hold coverage that long.

 

 

Here's hoping we have a better defensive plan against the Ravens that does not rely on the Ravens imploding on our doorstep over and over after marching down the field virtually unimpeded :)

 

 

 

 


My impression was we couldn’t get to Rivers because he was getting the ball out very quickly most of the time.

 

Well, that and an officiating crew that said ‘see no evil’ to holding

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My impression was we couldn’t get to Rivers because he was getting the ball out very quickly most of the time.

 

 

 

That's what I saw too. Although somebody told me in the game thread I was wrong.

I think I saw something where Rivers ended up averaging just under 2.5sec getting the ball out in that game.

Nobody is beating that Oline in 2 seconds.

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Just now, Simon said:

 

We already have one in Oliver; unfortunately he's being supported by four guys who are fringe NFL players at what is arguably the most important position on the defense. I had some hope for Butler but he's maddeningly inconsistent; Jefferson, Phillips and Zimmer are just getting buried out there.

I think rebuilding the DT rotation should be the Bills #1 priority this offseason and I would prefer they do it with veterans because NFL windows can be very limited and I want to see them take a run at a championship next year.

Simon, Oliver has not shown to me hes that IT guy but maybe thats me.. Great players don't need a over powering supporting cast.  He has to many hot/cold games for my liking.

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That's what I saw too. Although somebody told me in the game thread I was wrong.

I think I saw something where Rivers ended up averaging just under 2.5sec getting the ball out in that game.

Nobody is beating that Oline in 2 seconds.

 

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:


My impression was we couldn’t get to Rivers because he was getting the ball out very quickly most of the time.

 

Well, that and an officiating crew that said ‘see no evil’ to holding

 

This is a valid point. I just need our Line to be better

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Simon, Oliver has not shown to me hes that IT guy but maybe thats me.. Great players don't need a over powering supporting cast.  He has to many hot/cold games for my liking.

 

I think he's good every week (or has been since he recovered from that early season knee injury).

The problem is he can't control 4 gaps by himself.

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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:


My impression was we couldn’t get to Rivers because he was getting the ball out very quickly most of the time.

 

Well, that and an officiating crew that said ‘see no evil’ to holding

 

The holding non-calls seem to be the norm this year as holding penalties are way down across the board. I think it is a purposeful shift by the NFL competition committee to improve game flow with less flag festivals and open up scoring. The early results this season look like it is having the desired impact with a 2000 yard runner and all the QBs lighting up team record books.

 

I did watch a clip that I cannot find now that said that Rivers had no pressure in the pocket on over 80% of his drop backs. Either their line is that good, or we are just that bad - but usually the truth is in the middle. They did have some ball-control concepts in their game plan - milking the clock and following up with quick hitters designed to eek out just a few yards and 1st downs.

 

 

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6 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

This. I think it is something Indy saw on film on how to confuse our zone - they ran a guy just to the middle of that corner zone to clear out the DB responsible for that zone, then ran another receiver into the vacated zone. That was not on Milano, just a well-designed play reminiscent of many that Daboll draws up for our receivers vs zone.

 

Personally thought we needed to shift into more cover-0 with maybe just one safety over top and bring more heat on Rivers. He beat our blitzes a few times, but scuttling back into the zone defense they were eating up did not feel like the right answer.

 

It is interesting in regards to our two primary starting LB's. PFF (I know, but hard to think there is a lot of bias here) has Tremaine as 52nd best LB in the league and Milano as 59th. I have heard the age discussion for Edmunds but honestly there are plenty of LBs ranked before him that are 22 years old like he is. Dodson is actually ranked higher than both... so interesting.

 

It also should give Beane an idea of where they fit on the contract scale.

 

 

 

PFF's scale is cumulative. In other words, it greatly punishes guys who play half the season injured or miss a bunch of time early. Both are a lot better than they're ranked there.

 

Both are playing well when healthy, though there's some up and down as with everyone. 

 

And while the D-line has stepped up, the LBs do miss Lotulelei on run downs. Particularly against physical OLs and run games like the Colts and the Ravens. The Bills have to scheme more to stop the run, which leaves them more vulnerable against the pass.

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1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Personally, I think the Bills should draft defense heavy in this draft. LB/DL/TE/DB

 

 

OL early, please.

 

If they can keep both Daryl Williams and Feliciano that will slip down the priority list, but I doubt they can keep both, especially as I think Milano is an even higher priority than either of those two. 

 

We'll see, I guess.

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

I think he's good every week (or has been since he recovered from that early season knee injury).

The problem is he can't control 4 gaps by himself.

 

 

You're talking about Oliver here, right? Yeah, agreed, that's the way it looks to me too. He's playing very well, I think.

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13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:


We spent the entire first half on offense living deep in the opponents red zone eg within spitting distance of our own goal line.  Meanwhile we allowed them two drive starts within 9 yds of our territory.  If we’re looking for things to fix, Special teams is near the top of my list.  Kudos to Bass for the FG and XP game though

 

 

Agreed the field position was horrendous early. Looked to me to be much more the fault of the defense for bending like crazy and the offense for going three and out a lot early. Two TDs but other than that it was three and outs.

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You must have been watching a different game:

 

"Linebackers (4.0): Milano was the star, but Tremaine Edmunds had a strong game, too. He had three run-stuffs among his nine tackles and two pass break ups. The Colts’ star center, Ryan Kelly, got 12 yards downfield to block up Edmunds on the 33-yard run by Hines. The Bills blitzed Rivers on 13 of 43 dropbacks, and the timing was good. Rivers was 8 of 13 for 118 yards against the blitz, but just 4 of 8 in the second half."

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Regarding Milano not staying with his man in coverage, are you referring to the play where Milano passed off his guy to Tre as per the design of the defense, but Tre mistakenly went in the wrong direction?

I was so surprised by that too. It’s not the kind of mistake I’d think Tre would make, but he did and I also noted it at the time. 

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Milestones reached

 

In his second career playoff game, Matt Milano had a team-high 11 total tackles. Along with 12 total tackles in last year's playoff game at Hou. (1/4/20), he became the fourth Bill since 1974 with 10+ tackles in back-to-back playoff games. He joins Cornelius Bennett (3-game streak between 1/30/94 and 1/6/96), Darryl Talley (1/15/94 & 1/23/94), and Shane Conlan (1/6/90 and 1/12/91) in Bills history.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-today-bills-reached-these-five-milestones-in-their-playoff-victory

 

For those who don't know ...  a Milestone is an achievement.

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2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Couldn't help but notice in the CLE-PIT boxscore that Mayfield and Roethlisberger dropped back a combined 102 times and neither were sacked.  Mayfield was hit 4 times and Ben had zero.  That's incredible. 

 

and both of those teams have legit pass rushers.

 

it just shows how bs that comment the dude from the nfl made during our game was, that they don't call it different in the playoffs.

 

they called it so so different, just put the whistles away.

also, aside from when our d got just trucked in two consecutive drives for 75 yard TDs with like 5 min total take off the clock (i know i know) they were actually good.

 

i really think the colts played great on those two drives, and found something wrong with us schematically (along w some misses by the d).  because we lost all momentum after the O had to punt after the terrible allen sack and fumble, but then the D got a fumble, got robbed, and still shut these guys down.

 

maybe im being a homer, but i think the film room is the key to our D getting itself in order

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I'd still ride or die with Milano. Not faulting him for the 4th quarter TD either. Someone missed an assignment, maybe Milano, but Milano was clearly expecting Tre or a safety on that route, and that's a tough ask for him to cover that whole side of the field.. I doubt that was the playcall. I also thought that should-be forced fumble at the end was clutch.

 

Sounds like the consensus is he had an off day. Even so, he's such a playmaker at his position I wouldn't consider benching him at any point myself. Case in point him coming up with that forced fumble. Always been a fan.

 

FTR I even thought he played well. IMO. I always get surprised to see posts every few games knocking him. He's so consistent.

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