Gugny Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I am not surprised for Bills are flagged for plays other teams are not. i usually look at this site: https://www.nflpenalties.com/ https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/buffalo-bills?year=2020 I think it has info football DB does not have including ref crew. My observations: White seemed to be rusty at start of year and he resorted to grabbing sometimes. He has cleaned it up. I noticed is that Lee Smith is blocking differently than he did last year and has gotten no penalties. His critics who said he gets 2 per game (never on average) are as bad as Josh Allen's critics. Special teams are better avoiding penalties this year which is partly why Roberts is doing better. Lack of time in preseason really hurt Offense line and that was compounded by injuries forcing rotations and Spain crash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 My impression recently, is that there have been fewer of the more irritating types, especially the pre-snap variety. There have been some fairly bogus ones, but also the oddball facemask by our starting QB on opposing D-Line. I don't suppose there have been too many of those, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 seems like we had a 3-game stretch where we had first-and-goal from inside the 10, and then in the blink of an eye it was 1st-and-goal from the 30. Still, I would have thought we would be somewhere in the middle of the pack, not 5th most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 The Bills had a lot of penalties and they came at in opportune times.Josh Allen’s play has masked many of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I feel like most of these were compiled on the drive where Josh rhetorically asked the heavens how many times the Bills would have to score touchdowns on the same drive https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/bills-josh-allen-touchdown-passes-broncos-penalties/p32p8kh9b4x81w6fgr6eudbpj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game Not surprising considering it takes us 5 TDs to finally have one count. Refs have been brutal all year long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 That makes their record even more impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game Me too, bro. When I saw the title of your post, it definitely surprised me. Besides a couple games, we’ve seemed pretty clean this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 We are higher than I thought we would be, but I did notice that it doesn’t matter when you’re winning... 😁👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I’m actually not surprised. We seemed to gather them in bunches at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) the Tenn and KC games were the worst for flags as several were unsportsmanlike-frustration flags and the Denver game had several O-line flags in the 3rd and 4th quarters where we had points taken away...Josh was heard on a field mike saying..."so how many time we gotta score "? I noticed Morse and Ike B (G) getting flagged grabbing DL jersey as Josh is about to pass that lineman; seems like a reaction to wanting to protect Josh who either would have escaped or ran by the linemen or at the worst been tacked near the LOS. Then there is the dreaded hit on the qb foul where we seem to not pull-up or lunge at his legs trying to make a play/sack And yes we have been one of the top teams for penalties during the McClappy era Edited January 2, 2021 by First Round Bust sp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 3rd most penalty yards in the league makes the clutch offensive statistics look even more impressive. 3rd down conversion, 1st downs per play, 4th down per game, time of possession and punts per game. On average they had to overcome over 62 yards per game and still produced at a very efficient level. Edited January 3, 2021 by JDubya76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 It means there is no correlation (and never has been) of penalties with winning football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Extremely inconsistent calls in Bills games. I'm not sure the quality control around the league but holding never happens on anybody guarding Jerry Hughes but Boettger's holds were nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Interesting... all the bills games I've seen this year seemed low in penalties. It must mean penalties as a whole are down this year. I do find it very very odd that a heavy run team such as the Patriots are so low in penalties. Maybe I'm wrong but offensively speaking, I feel that if you run the ball more you would get more penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 59 minutes ago, MJS said: It means there is no correlation (and never has been) of penalties with winning football games. This one example means no correlation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Watkins101 said: This one example means no correlation? Nope. All the examples put together. https://www.mlive.com/fantasysports/2009/12/penalties_dont_correlate_to_wi.html https://saturdayblitz.com/2020/09/24/college-football-penalty-yardage-affect-wins/ https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/are-penalties-overrated https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/8/27/1653619/penalties-dont-matter-much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game It shows the best teams can overcome Refs bad calls. Edited January 3, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 This team is undisciplined - McBean has to go, these guys will never win anything! 🤣🤣🤣 🙌🙌🙌 🍾🍾🍾 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope. All the examples put together. https://www.mlive.com/fantasysports/2009/12/penalties_dont_correlate_to_wi.html https://saturdayblitz.com/2020/09/24/college-football-penalty-yardage-affect-wins/ https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/are-penalties-overrated https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/8/27/1653619/penalties-dont-matter-much Good data but does it include when flags were thrown, a’la third down, red zone, etc? I have not read all of your links so just asking. Not sure if they measure how many TD’s called back, but that would be interesting. In addition, looking specifically at NE*** flags for and against in the time frame in question. Easy to mask things if you spread the data set out enough. Just some basic questions I ask when given some data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Nope. All the examples put together. https://www.mlive.com/fantasysports/2009/12/penalties_dont_correlate_to_wi.html https://saturdayblitz.com/2020/09/24/college-football-penalty-yardage-affect-wins/ https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2003/are-penalties-overrated https://www.teamspeedkills.com/2010/8/27/1653619/penalties-dont-matter-much Okay, the statement you had seemed to be implying the sole reason backing it up was the 2020 bills, glad you have more substantial evidence 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The reffing this year has been brutally bad on all sides. Is there a penalties/play stat? I would guess the Bills rank much better on that stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, TroutDog said: Good data but does it include when flags were thrown, a’la third down, red zone, etc? I have not read all of your links so just asking. Not sure if they measure how many TD’s called back, but that would be interesting. In addition, looking specifically at NE*** flags for and against in the time frame in question. Easy to mask things if you spread the data set out enough. Just some basic questions I ask when given some data. I haven't dug super into it myself. I just know I've seen multiple sources support that penalties don't equate to winning or losing. Edited January 3, 2021 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 hours ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game I wish there were a graph that shows the trend from week to week throughout the season. I think this is something we’ve gotten much better with, but am too lazy to look up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Gugny said: This actually surprised me, as I don't feel like they've been flagged a ton in most games this season. I was REALLY (not really) shocked to see that New England has the fewest penalties in the league. A lot of other playoff teams are right up there with the Bills, so I'm not quite sure exactly what it means. Just found it interesting. https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties.html?sort=numpen https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalties-per-game So we are always told that generally more talented and disciplined teams have fewer penalties. How is it that Pats have 10 fewer penalties then any other team? Bills and KC almost double. After the neck tackle by the OT on Cam’s TD run I think we know the Hoodie and pan to Kraft have to factor in 🤷🏻♂️ Edited January 3, 2021 by QLBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The scary thing is the offense is so good and they gobble up chunks of yardage so easily that it typically doesn't have any effect on them. 3rd in yards per drive, 2nd in points per drive, 2nd in drive success rate, 2nd in time of possession per drive... https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/overall-drive-statsoff/2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The number of penalties as a whole doesn’t tell us much. How many are pre-snap (i.e., undisciplined/unprepared) vs. post-snap? How many undisciplined personal fouls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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