Patriots domination is over, their fans have no clue about what’s coming.

[Meatloaf63]

Spent time last night and this morning reading a few threads in the patsies forum. Just so enjoyable to see all the pain and suffering. 
Overall they complained that their draft position has severely hurt them, with a few mentioning how bad Bill’s drafting has been. Some ventured to say the Belicheat threw the season away because of Covid and he didn’t want to waste effort on a season that wouldn’t be completed. Overall they figured with a better draft class and free agents they would be well on their way to recovery next year.

The one thing that stuck out was I didn’t see a single post about how good we’ve become. Nothing about the fact that Josh Allen before our eyes has become a top Qb that they will have to deal with twice a year for the next ten years. They have no idea that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually the Bills train headed straight for them engineered by Josh. Next year will be even more enjoyable than this season if that is even possible.

[BillnutinHouston]

Expecting reflection and analysis from Pats* fans is overestimating their sophistication. 

 

Ask them who Steve Grogan or Trevor Matich is, and you'll get blank stares.

[IgotBILLStopay]

Hard to win consistently without a franchise QB. Since the Pats won’t be picking high enough, they have to hope a retread QB (Wentz, Haskins type) will work long term.

 

But they might go “win now” for next year with Fitzy.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Pats fans have become accustomed to winning and since their team did it for 20 years, it’s easy to understand why. Belichick’s record without Brady keeps getting worse. If anything, maybe what the Pats domination taught us was find a great defensive minded head coach, pair him with a great QB and find good OC’s; you got a shot to win every year. Sound familiar?

[buffalo2218]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Spent time last night and this morning reading a few threads in the patsies forum. Just so enjoyable to see all the pain and suffering. 
Overall they complained that their draft position has severely hurt them, with a few mentioning how bad Bill’s drafting has been. Some ventured to say the Belicheat threw the season away because of Covid and he didn’t want to waste effort on a season that wouldn’t be completed. Overall they figured with a better draft class and free agents they would be well on their way to recovery next year.

The one thing that stuck out was I didn’t see a single post about how good we’ve become. Nothing about the fact that Josh Allen before our eyes has become a top Qb that they will have to deal with twice a year for the next ten years. They have no idea that the light at the end of the tunnel is actually the Bills train headed straight for them engineered by Josh. Next year will be even more enjoyable than this season if that is even possible.

That's what you call hard denial. They know where they are right now and are smart enough to not risk saying anything that would make them look foolish. As for the Dolphins on the other hand, you talk about one jealous and salty fanbase. They hate Josh Allen for one reason and one reason alone. The way Allen has played this year has made Tua's path to success so hard, that it'll be almost impossible for Tua to duplicate. They know that and the jealousy is eating them alive

[streetkings01]

They’re in denial right now......it’ll hit them soon enough. I’m predicting they’ll get those players back that opted out, get some free agents, new QB(s), draft picks and go into 2021 thinking they’re back only to finish with 9 wins max and lose the division again. 

 

I’m a big Florida St. fan.....I was in denial about my team until this year when I finally realized that we are nowhere close to the team we were 4 years ago and it’s gonna take a few seasons just to get back to where we were.

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by streetkings01

[mjt328]

The egos in that building are going to make rebuilding very difficult.

 

This whole season, they have made excuses about how the opt-outs were the primary cause of them falling apart.

Surprisingly little about them losing a Hall of Fame quarterback, or how poorly Cam Newton has played.

And almost nothing about how little talent they have on the offensive side of the ball.

 

The best thing for New England would be a complete tear-down, and a few years drafting in the Top 5.

But a highly doubt Bill Belichick would be willing to put himself through a couple seasons of winning 2-3 games.

 

 

[Steptide]

I think bilechick is getting a taste of what it's like to to a coach in the NFL. They mentioned it on the broadcast last night, but bilechick hasn't had to worry about a qb for 20 years. He's never had to tear down his team and re build it. He was handed instant success when Brady stepped in. Honestly I wouldnt be terribly surprised if he retires within the next 2 or 3 years 

[ProcessTruster]

We'll see.   When the Pats' 8 (eight!) Covid op-outs and Gilmore are back and they get a competent QB (they have tons of cap space), they'll be a very competitive team next year.   The Bills and strong to be sure, but we beat the Pats twice, Seattle, San Fran and others when they were really beat up by major injury/Covid problems.   Bills play KC, Pittsburg and Titans AGAIN next year (along with Brady/Bucs) ; every year and every game will be a battle .  Who knows, Bills could have a bunch of guys go down for the season like what happened to the 49ers this year; then the whole conversation changes.   Enjoy it now while things are working in the Bills direction.   The 9ers fans thought they'd be awesome the next (this year) as well.  We see how that worked out.   

 

Go Bills.   Trust the Process.  

[billsfan1959]

Love how Kyle Brandt put last night's game in perspective

 

 

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

That's what you call hard denial. They know where they are right now and are smart enough to not risk saying anything that would make them look foolish. As for the Dolphins on the other hand, you talk about one jealous and salty fanbase. They hate Josh Allen for one reason and one reason alone. The way Allen has played this year has made Tua's path to success so hard, that it'll be almost impossible for Tua to duplicate. They know that and the jealousy is eating them alive

Dolphin fans are calling us the most overrated team in the NFL lol.......have they looked at how their team is winning games this year? Dolphins remind me of the 13-3 Dick Jauron Bears.....bad offense that relies on an opportunistic defense and special teams.

[Bills of Boston]

My favorite pats fan quote is “well after 20 years I can handle 1 down season”

 

 

ONE?!?!  You stupid CLOWS (edited for family board)... get comfortable, don’t worry finding a franchise QB is easy

[streetkings01]

3 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

The egos in that building are going to make rebuilding very difficult.

 

This whole season, they have made excuses about how the opt-outs were the primary cause of them falling apart.

Surprisingly little about them losing a Hall of Fame quarterback, or how poorly Cam Newton has played.

And almost nothing about how little talent they have on the offensive side of the ball.

 

The best thing for New England would be a complete tear-down, and a few years drafting in the Top 5.

But a highly doubt Bill Belichick would be willing to put himself through a couple seasons of winning 2-3 games.

 

 

Exactly what I was thinking. Bill still thinking he can win his way without Brady will hurt them. I doubt he’s willing to adjust and without Brady that whole “Patriot Way” crap they like to spew will become more of an issue for a team that doesn’t win a whole lot anymore.

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, streetkings01 said:

Dolphin fans are calling us the most overrated team in the NFL lol.......have they looked at how their team is winning games this year? Dolphins remind me of the 13-3 Dick Jauron Bears.....bad offense that relies on an opportunistic defense and special teams.

Which is far from sustainable from a futuristic standpoint. Yet they think were overrated. I watched some podcast of some Dolphins fan doing the play by play of last night's game. His attitude towards Allen's play was how wide open our receivers were, never saw such a display of ignorance. Oh and basically because Allen had good protection that that was the reason why he was trash

[Meatloaf63]

4 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

We'll see.   When the Pats' 8 (eight!) Covid op-outs and Gilmore are back and they get a competent QB (they have tons of cap space), they'll be a very competitive team next year.   The Bills and strong to be sure, but we beat the Pats twice, Seattle, San Fran and others when they were really beat up by major injury/Covid problems.   Bills play KC, Pittsburg and Titans AGAIN next year (along with Brady/Bucs) ; every year and every game will be a battle .  Who knows, Bills could have a bunch of guys go down for the season like what happened to the 49ers this year; then the whole conversation changes.   Enjoy it now while things are working in the Bills direction.   The 9ers fans thought they'd be awesome the next (this year) as well.  We see how that worked out.   

 

Go Bills.   Trust the Process.  

Most of the opt outs are aging over the hill non factors except for Hightower. Bills drafting has been terrible. His record without Brady is average at best. We lost to the Titans and Chiefs with what now is known a injured Josh Allen. We suffered through lots of defensive injuries too. Not saying it will be a cake walk, but everybody thought this season’s schedule was brutal and I think we did fine. The truth is we have built a pretty damn good team and if we get better at running and better at stopping the run, this team will dominate for years to come...

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Love how Kyle Brandt put last night's game in perspective

 

 

this is must watch. They mocked the BB phone throw for like 2 minutes too!!

[SoCal Deek]

Look at it this way:

Brady goes to a new team...result is another playoff season.

Bellicheck coaches without Tommy...result is going home early.

 

Come on Man! It’s pretty darn easy to see what happened. You have to be intentionality looking for reasons that it wasn’t the QB

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[LabattBlue]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

this is must watch. They mocked the BB phone throw for like 2 minutes too!!

That part was awesome!

[John Gianelli]

New England has won 6 Super Bowls. Each year a team has a 1/32 chance of winning the Super Bowl. If life were fair they wouldn't win another until at least 2126. (This may be off by a few years since the NFL has not always had 32 teams since 1966, but you get the point.)

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Look at it this way:

Brady goes to a new team...result is another playoff season.

Bellicheck coaches without Tommy...result is going home early.

 

Come on Man! It’s pretty darn easy to see what happened. You have to be intentionality looking for reasons that it wasn’t the QB

 

 

 

This is success a ridiculous take by people after just one season. One season erases 20 years..

 

So if Brady was QBing this NE they would of been in the playoffs? 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

This is success a ridiculous take by people after just one season. One season erases 20 years..

 

So if Brady was QBing this NE they would of been in the playoffs? 

Absolutely 

No question about it

[mjt328]

18 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

We'll see.   When the Pats' 8 (eight!) Covid op-outs and Gilmore are back and they get a competent QB (they have tons of cap space), they'll be a very competitive team next year.   The Bills and strong to be sure, but we beat the Pats twice, Seattle, San Fran and others when they were really beat up by major injury/Covid problems.   Bills play KC, Pittsburg and Titans AGAIN next year (along with Brady/Bucs) ; every year and every game will be a battle .  Who knows, Bills could have a bunch of guys go down for the season like what happened to the 49ers this year; then the whole conversation changes.   Enjoy it now while things are working in the Bills direction.   The 9ers fans thought they'd be awesome the next (this year) as well.  We see how that worked out.   

 

Go Bills.   Trust the Process.  

 

What competent QB do you believe they can get?

 

• They will likely be picking too late to get a top QB prospect.  And even if they get one, rookies don't generally win many games.
• The only starters set to be free agents are Dak Prescott (Cowboys are not letting him go), Philip Rivers (may retire, may stay on the Colts), and Mitchell Trubisky (still not buying a turnaround).  Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick?
• Trade options are not going to be cheap.  They could maybe go for someone like Carson Wentz, but then they have no cap space to surround him with anything resembling offensive weapons.

 

[Ghost_002!]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Absolutely 

No question about it

 

No....he had the same offensive team last year and look at his numbers the sec half of the season. People were saying he was washed.

 

Do you see any of the offensive talent the bucs have on this NE team? Come on man.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

No....he had the same offensive team last year and look at his numbers the sec half of the season. People were saying he was washed.

 

Do you see any of the offensive talent the bucs have on this NE team? Come on man.

You’re welcome to your opinion. I’m never going to bet against Brady. And Bellicheck has learned it the hard way in 2020. It’s not so easy in the NFL if you don’t have the GOAT under center. 

[Meatloaf63]

29 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Love how Kyle Brandt put last night's game in perspective

 

 

That was fun

[Ghost_002!]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You’re welcome to your opinion. I’m never going to bet against Brady. And Bellicheck has learned it the hard way in 2020. It’s not so easy in the NFL if you don’t have the GOAT under center. 

 

It's not an opinion though. It's a fact. The evidence is there. That's fine in all about not betting against Brady, but NE success wasn't all Brady.

[hemma]

"Press 7# for Representative"

 

bam

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

It's not an opinion though. It's a fact. The evidence is there. That's fine in all about not betting against Brady, but NE success wasn't all Brady.

Actually.... it is an opinion. 
Go Bills

[Ghost_002!]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Actually.... it is an opinion. 
Go Bills

Right. Cause what I said is not actually true none of it never took place. Got it!( sarcasm )

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

Right. Cause what I said is not actually true none of it never took place. Got it!( sarcasm )

Geez dude

Relax already

[JaCrispy]

While I agree with the OP, don’t be surprised if it just doesn’t really matter to Pats fans if they ever win again...they’ve won enough to last a lifetime...

 

Case in point...I’m a life long Yankee fan, we won so much in the late 90s, by the time it was over I was actually getting a little bored with it because I always knew they were gonna win...and when the dynasty finally came to an end, I remember thinking that I could never experience another championship again, and would be completely ok with that because I had seen it all- and knew it could never get any better than that...

 

It literally was enough winning to last a lifetime...

Edited December 29, 2020 by JaCrispy

[ProcessTruster]

16 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Most of the opt outs are aging over the hill non factors except for Hightower. Bills drafting has been terrible. His record without Brady is average at best. We lost to the Titans and Chiefs with what now is known a injured Josh Allen. We suffered through lots of defensive injuries too. Not saying it will be a cake walk, but everybody thought this season’s schedule was brutal and I think we did fine. The truth is we have built a pretty damn good team and if we get better at running and better at stopping the run, this team will dominate for years to come...

Unless what happened to the 49ers happens to the Bills.   I get that this is a fan board and everyone's excited (including me) but rashes of IR injuries to key, high cap hit players end seasons, that's a fact.  The 9ers proved that this year.     And you'll all be calling for McBeanes heads if it does, which would be insane, but again, this is a fan board. 

 

 If the Bills stay healthy, I am with you 100%.    But we know what this team looks like when just a few guys are down (eg. Josh, Milano, etc for the KC and Titans games)  combined with some adversity (Covid stuff).   What if Josh/Milano/Hughes/Poyer are down for the season, as JimmyG/Bosa/Thomas/Ford were for the 49ers this year??? Everything changes, as they are not replaceable in the short term.   Just sayin', all the hoopla about the Bills future is under the assumption they have their roster for most of the season.   And the massive $$ Pegulas put into the fitness facilities along with McBeanes refusal to rush guys back from injury (etc. Milano) I believe are helpful in this. 

 

Go Bills.   Just enjoy it.  I am.   Leave the future in the future.  

[MJS]

None of us know what is in store for them either. They could find their guy next year and be well on their way to recovery, or they could be in limbo for a decade. Nobody knows.

 

I think it is wishful thinking to think that they will go through anything close to what the Bills went through during the drought.

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Geez dude

Relax already

You are not the only one with that take..and I am completely fine

 

And to answer the thread the pats."domination" of the afc east was over right after last year's game against the Titans in the playoffs.

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

34 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Exactly what I was thinking. Bill still thinking he can win his way without Brady will hurt them. I doubt he’s willing to adjust and without Brady that whole “Patriot Way” crap they like to spew will become more of an issue for a team that doesn’t win a whole lot anymore.

 

When you see how well the authoritarian "Patriot Way" has worked for all of Bill's acolytes who didn't have the luxury of Tom Brady on their roster, you get a glimpse of the near future...

[billsfan_34]

41 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

We'll see.   When the Pats' 8 (eight!) Covid op-outs and Gilmore are back and they get a competent QB (they have tons of cap space), they'll be a very competitive team next year.   The Bills and strong to be sure, but we beat the Pats twice, Seattle, San Fran and others when they were really beat up by major injury/Covid problems.   Bills play KC, Pittsburg and Titans AGAIN next year (along with Brady/Bucs) ; every year and every game will be a battle .  Who knows, Bills could have a bunch of guys go down for the season like what happened to the 49ers this year; then the whole conversation changes.   Enjoy it now while things are working in the Bills direction.   The 9ers fans thought they'd be awesome the next (this year) as well.  We see how that worked out.   

 

Go Bills.   Trust the Process.  

You have to beat the teams you are supposed to beat and step on the neck of wounded ones- we have done that this year minus Arizona. We let them off the hook at the end on the Hail Mary.

[prissythecat]

36 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Dolphin fans are calling us the most overrated team in the NFL lol.......have they looked at how their team is winning games this year? Dolphins remind me of the 13-3 Dick Jauron Bears.....bad offense that relies on an opportunistic defense and special teams.

 

There is some corroboration from our own fans about Dolphins being super good.   I have read here how  the Dolphins are the team to be  feared in AFC East because they are already elite and that Tua is the real deal and super accurate.   

[Victory Formation]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

None of us know what is in store for them either. They could find their guy next year and be well on their way to recovery, or they could be in limbo for a decade. Nobody knows.

 

I think it is wishful thinking to think that they will go through anything close to what the Bills went through during the drought.

Even if they do find their guy.. it’s rare for a 6-10 or 7-9 team to turn into a 10 win or 11 win team.. Bills are red hot with arguably the best or one of the best QBs in the league.. Our team is well built around him.. Patriots are not well built, they’re in full out rebuild with no QB.. They’re not picking high enough to draft a quality QB and even if they did it may take him 2 or 3 years before he can play at a high level.. I’m more concerned with Miami at this point..

[Southern Bills Fan]

Let’s be honest. Most of their “fans” weren’t fans before they were good and will stop being fans if they have 2-3 non-playoff years. 

[Livinginthepast]

Can someone tell me how Cam Newton earned the right to be just called "Cam" by NFL announcers? The guy never won a damn thing in the NFL. Played like crap in his SB appearance and has been utter garbage this year for the Pats. But because he's on New England , NFL announcers on all the networks refer to him by his first name just like they nauseatingly did to Brady? I think it was Dan Dierdorf who started it with Brady but why Newton? And all the faux shock that Newton has been terrible this year? Like all the NFL media thought he was so awesome all along and how mystifying that he has played so poorly?