Expect trades this week

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Like he was for us? 

Y’all have some short memories.

 

 

When exactly was Fitz on the Bills team to mentor a young QB? 

 

Perhaps those pills will refresh your memory....the Bills CUT him at the start of the league year in 2013,  before they drafted EJ

It is said that Nix tried to renegotiate an offer, but all Fitz has said is that it was never a negotiation, just an offer he rejected and no follow-up

 

In the end, we had Fitz under a contract we didn't want to honor, and he was cut.

 

One line of thought goes that Marrone wanted to introduce a WCO and lacked confidence that Fitz, a career-long EP QB, could play in and mentor in that system.

[Herc11]

Not sure if its been mentioned in the thread already, but Cowboys are reportedly also shopping Dontari Poe. Haven't seen much on the guy the past couple years. Would he still be a good option as a space eater and firming up the run D?

[TheBeaneBandit]

Just now, Herc11 said:

Not sure if its been mentioned in the thread already, but Cowboys are reportedly also shopping Dontari Poe. Haven't seen much on the guy the past couple years. Would he still be a good option as a space eater and firming up the run D?

I'd definitely explore it if he has been playing well. I haven't seen him at all to form an opinion right now though.

[benderbender]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

When exactly was Fitz on the Bills team to mentor a young QB? 

 

Perhaps those pills will refresh your memory....the Bills CUT him at the start of the league year in 2013,  before they drafted EJ

It is said that Nix tried to renegotiate an offer, but all Fitz has said is that it was never a negotiation, just an offer he rejected and no follow-up

 

In the end, we had Fitz under a contract we didn't want to honor, and he was cut.

 

One line of thought goes that Marrone wanted to introduce a WCO and lacked confidence that Fitz, a career-long EP QB, could play in and mentor in that system.

That’s the irony. He’s getting so much love by a fan base he flew from, for being a perceived mentor he that was not willing to be for us. Don’t get me wrong, our FO didn’t handle the situation well. They don’t get a pass. And we suffered for it.
 

Fitz was under a contract that we didn’t want to pay for, given our return in investment. But if we take off the Fitz Fan Club wedding decoder ring, we can also admit that Fitz declined to restructure. Something inconceivable given his current reputation. And he ended up going to be the Titans backup instead of a mentor for a little less than he would have made anyway.

 

I get it. He felt awkward sticking around after being seen as a wasted investment and didn’t want to train his replacement. All understandable for a normal person who hasn’t been canonized. It just goes against his legend so people leave that part out. You can love Fitz. There are 5 threads every game week about him. Just don’t let the legend get in the way of history. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, benderbender said:

That’s the irony. He’s getting so much love by a fan base he flew from, for being a perceived mentor he that was not willing to be for us. Don’t get me wrong, our FO didn’t handle the situation well. They don’t get a pass. And we suffered for it.
 

Fitz was under a contract that we didn’t want to pay for, given our return in investment. But if we take off the Fitz Fan Club wedding decoder ring, we can also admit that Fitz declined to restructure.

 

I dunno about "Fitz Fanclub Wedding Decoder Ring", but there's at least an equal and opposite "Secret Decoder Ring" going down to interpret that as "he wasn't willing" to be a mentor for us, or "he wasn't willing" to restructure, or he signed with the Titans for less than he could have got here.

 

7 minutes ago, benderbender said:

And he ended up going to be the Titans backup instead of a mentor for a little less than he would have made anyway.

 

Do you know what the Bills offered Fitz?  I don't.  The Bills publicly said they offered him an "incentive laden $3M average" 4 year deal, but there's a lot of "devil in the details" including what was the first year base salary (multi-year deals normally pay out most in the last years), what was guaranteed, what was base salary, what were the incentives he had to meet.  The smart observer always hones in on the guaranteed $$ and the first year.

 

One story is Bills offered about what they signed Tarvaris Jackson for, which was $550,000 in signing and workout bonus, $1.25M bonus if he played 60% of the snaps and additional $1M if he played 65% (start 10 or 11 games). 

The Titans gave Fitz a 2 year contract with $3.25M in guaranteed money.  So yeah, not necessarily "a little less" than he would have made here - unless you got inside gouge the rest of us lack.

 

7 minutes ago, benderbender said:

 Just don’t let the legend get in the way of history. 

 

I'm not sure you've got the correct history here, is all. 

 

I think "Marrone was lukewarm on Fitz's potential as a WCO QB/mentor and the Bills didn't make a serious effort to negotiate" is equally or more likely to be objectively correct.

 

And no, there aren't 5 threads about him every week, I know, because I'm a mod and it's part of my job to keep that from happening.

[ganesh]

13 hours ago, A Firm Tree Does Not Fear said:

so will the bills do anything within 7 days?

 

Fitz to the Cowboys?

Drew Bledsoe,   Wade Phillips,   Fitz??

[Nelius]

Ertz Ertz Ertz

 

What am I missing? Thought there'd be more chatter about this and now think I'm dumb and overlooking something obvious. I feel like this is one of the only possible realities that will upgrade this team right now. He's coming back from his current injury this year, he's not happy in Philly, he's talented. Likely a process dude, etc. Seems like a perfect fit.

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

Ertz Ertz Ertz

 

What am I missing? Thought there'd be more chatter about this and now think I'm dumb and overlooking something obvious. I feel like this is one of the only possible realities that will upgrade this team right now. He's coming back from his current injury this year, he's not happy in Philly, he's talented. Likely a process dude, etc. Seems like a perfect fit.

If I’m not mistaken a player on the IR cannot be traded, once he went on the IR it’s a minimum of three weeks and past the trade deadline.

[Nelius]

6 hours ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:

If I’m not mistaken a player on the IR cannot be traded, once he went on the IR it’s a minimum of three weeks and past the trade deadline.

 

Cheers, that's what I'm missing. He's coming off but I wasn't aware of the 3 week minimum conflicting with the trade deadline. Also, Yahoo for whatever reason is claiming that "Ertz can still be traded".

[BillsMafia13]

23 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The Bears are 5-2. 

 

That's the same record that we have, the Rams have, the Seahawks have, the Bucs have.

 

Well im a dreamer so when’s the deadline?  They’re paper tigers and it’s a matter of time til they fall

[thebandit27]

A name that could be interesting is Shemar Stephen from Minnesota 

[MiltonWaddams]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

A name that could be interesting is Shemar Stephen from Minnesota 

That is an interesting name. Any info on the historical background of Shemar?

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

That is an interesting name. Any info on the historical background of Shemar?

Starting DT. Good run stuffer. Plays for a team with a bad record and very little cap space. One year left on his deal (2021). Minnesota would save $3.6M this year by trading him.

[HOUSE]

[The Jokeman]

On 10/27/2020 at 12:48 PM, Herc11 said:

Not sure if its been mentioned in the thread already, but Cowboys are reportedly also shopping Dontari Poe. Haven't seen much on the guy the past couple years. Would he still be a good option as a space eater and firming up the run D?

He was cut, he'd be a good add but who do we cut to add him or do we just IR someone for the roster spot?

[Coffeesforclosers]

On 10/27/2020 at 12:48 PM, Herc11 said:

Not sure if its been mentioned in the thread already, but Cowboys are reportedly also shopping Dontari Poe. Haven't seen much on the guy the past couple years. Would he still be a good option as a space eater and firming up the run D?

 

I hope so, this team needs a nose tackle more than anything right now. Preferably 2.

[aristocrat]

21 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Starting DT. Good run stuffer. Plays for a team with a bad record and very little cap space. One year left on his deal (2021). Minnesota would save $3.6M this year by trading him.

 

can they send kendricks with him?  

[TBBills]

Sadly Fitz has a curse that follows him around... I would want him if his curse wasn't actually real, but the same exact scenario plays out over and over with him. The Dolphins are the one team that seems to be aware of it and took him out before his curse took place. Let's see if the Fitz curse is broken or will Tua get injured and Fitz return....

Edited October 29, 2020 by TBBills

[thebandit27]

27 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I hope so, this team needs a nose tackle more than anything right now. Preferably 2.

Yikes...Poe is brutal.

 

24 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

can they send kendricks with him?  

Could they? Yes. Would they? Doubt it. It would increase his cap number next year when the cap is doing to drop

[Coffeesforclosers]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Yikes...Poe is brutal.

 

Anybody else then, I know the Cover 1 guys liked Washington's 1Tech. He's alright, healthy and has 2 years left on a rookie deal.

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Anybody else then, I know the Cover 1 guys liked Washington's 1Tech. He's alright, healthy and has 2 years left on a rookie deal.

I hear you, but I’d be shocked if WFT has any desire to deal Payne. If anyone gets moved from their front 7 I reckon it’d be PR Kerrigan.

[The Jokeman]

I wonder if the Rams would be willing to move A'Shawn Robinson who's been injured most of the season?

[jahbonas]

On 10/28/2020 at 11:16 AM, thebandit27 said:

A name that could be interesting is Shemar Stephen from Minnesota 

Sounds like a perfect target if we get a chance   6ft 5  310lb NT

 

"People write [negative] stuff about Shamar Stephen, and I get it because everybody just looks at stats," Vikings Co-Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Line Coach Andre Patterson said. "But if you watch film and you ask Eric Kendricks if he had to pick anybody to go to the game with that he'd make sure that guy was there, I guarantee he'd tell you it's 93 because 93 is not going to let anybody get to the second level and block Eric."

So, we called up Kendricks.

The 2019 All-Pro linebacker wasted no time standing on a table for Stephen.

"First and foremost, I just think Shamar is completely underrated and really not appreciated as much as I appreciate him," Kendricks told Vikings.com. "I appreciate Shamar so much because his game isn't very flashy, you know what I mean? He knows what he needs to do; he's going to take on some double teams, he's going to hold his point of attack, and he's going to win his gap."

Edited October 29, 2020 by jahbonas
added info

[billsintaiwan]

On 10/26/2020 at 10:37 PM, Gugny said:

 

I think I feel sorry for him because I've watched the Bills ruin multiple QBs over the years.  

It's a chicken and egg thing. I can't think of any qb the bills definitely ruined, but we have had a lot of bad qbs. Were they just bad or did we make them bad? Hard to say.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I am hoping for a David Njoku trade, this guy is a very good all around TE with still massive upside. I would trade a 3rd for him and would be very happy about it. 

[ngbills]

21 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I am hoping for a David Njoku trade, this guy is a very good all around TE with still massive upside. I would trade a 3rd for him and would be very happy about it. 

I would take it

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Just now, ngbills said:

I would take it

I have been watching a lot of his film this week and I want the Bills to trade for him so badly. I wanted Diggs last year when he 1st wanted out of Minnesota and now I want Njoku. 

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I have been watching a lot of his film this week and I want the Bills to trade for him so badly. I wanted Diggs last year when he 1st wanted out of Minnesota and now I want Njoku. 

 

Do you have a third wish? And remember, you can NOT wish for more wishes! Those are the rules! 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Do you have a third wish? And remember, you can NOT wish for more wishes! Those are the rules! 

I would give up my right arm if we could somehow trade for Ben Powers LG on the Ravens. That would be my 3rd wish and that's it. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I have been watching a lot of his film this week and I want the Bills to trade for him so badly. I wanted Diggs last year when he 1st wanted out of Minnesota and now I want Njoku. 

Missing piece to the offensive puzzle. 

[LB48]

On 10/26/2020 at 10:23 AM, ytownblofan said:

 

A conditional 6th is better than him taking up space as a roster spot as an inactive on gamedays. But yeah, going to be tough to ship him off for anything substantial. I would expect a 6 next year. 

why would any team want him?  He's just an OK player and now trying to play through a difficult injury from last season.

[blacklabel]

9 hours ago, jahbonas said:

Sounds like a perfect target if we get a chance   6ft 5  310lb NT

 

"People write [negative] stuff about Shamar Stephen, and I get it because everybody just looks at stats," Vikings Co-Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Line Coach Andre Patterson said. "But if you watch film and you ask Eric Kendricks if he had to pick anybody to go to the game with that he'd make sure that guy was there, I guarantee he'd tell you it's 93 because 93 is not going to let anybody get to the second level and block Eric."

So, we called up Kendricks.

The 2019 All-Pro linebacker wasted no time standing on a table for Stephen.

"First and foremost, I just think Shamar is completely underrated and really not appreciated as much as I appreciate him," Kendricks told Vikings.com. "I appreciate Shamar so much because his game isn't very flashy, you know what I mean? He knows what he needs to do; he's going to take on some double teams, he's going to hold his point of attack, and he's going to win his gap."

 

Exactly what they pay Lotulelei to do. Funny how so many people were down on that signing but now that his absence is blatantly obvious, people are like, "Wait, maybe that WAS a good deal." Guys aren't always paid to be flashy and rack up the stats. Guys like Star are paid to allow his teammates to flash and rack up stats. And if this Shamar fella is a real option, I'd utter the age-old mantra of... "Get it done, OBD!"

[ytownblofan]

12 hours ago, LB48 said:

why would any team want him?  He's just an OK player and now trying to play through a difficult injury from last season.

To be fair, we thought the same about Zay and were able to ship him off.