Captain Caveman Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The only reason we held them to a relatively low point total was our attempt at ball control offense (we had one long drive), and the fact Andy Reid decided to run the ball all night. We never really stopped them, and I think they could have thrown the ball all over the yard if they wanted. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Thank you rainy conditions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Full stop on this narrative. They had the ball for about 2/3rds of the game. I’ll say it again for those in the back... Its a 60 minute game. Our Offense had about 7 possessions to score more than 26 points. One of those being a desperation play for a long FG before half. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 the weather and the d strategy worked to help us on that front. the tactics of our d though, the actual play calls and such, left something to be desired more than a few times. the execution by our d line and to a lesser extent our LBs was disgusting. on the other side of the ball, their d played hard and dirty all game, and our guys kinda wilted. i think brown is still hurt and we just can't run the football. lots to work on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is a case where it's important to watch the game, and not just look at the box score. The ONLY reason we held the Chiefs to 26 points was because they decided to run it down our throats. Even when we pulled within 6 points, I never had the confidence our Defense could come up with a stop. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Andy Reid was more than happy to run the ball all over us as well and Mahomes smart enough to dunk and dunk underneath. Our lack of a running game is going to haunt us when conditions dictate we shouldn’t be throwing as much. Also at times our d couldn’t get off the field when really needed Edited October 20, 2020 by loveorhatembillsfan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Here is what what happened......Star stepped out for the season - Lawson went to Miami, Milano has been injured the last 4ish weeks and Lorax retired. Thats a HUGE chunk of D that left with NO replacement in place. THERE is the problem. Whine moan and create any theory you want but there are big parts that have gone MIA and it effects the rest of the D. The Covids and the Chefs lost practically no one from their starting D last year.....not to mention they are 1 and 2 in the AFC. Bills were struggling on D before they ran into this buzzsaw. It will get harder before it gets easier.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: This is a case where it's important to watch the game, and not just look at the box score. The ONLY reason we held the Chiefs to 26 points was because they decided to run it down our throats. Even when we pulled within 6 points, I never had the confidence our Defense could come up with a stop. The. Worst. Feeling. We cut it to 6, with what.. 7 minutes left? I still never felt we had a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Thank you rainy conditions. Might have actually hurt us more. We are the team that wants to run 4wrs and throw the ball all over the yard because we can’t run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? So the Defense did a good job? When does defense doing a good job turn into the defense is bad. IF the bills give up 300 rushing yards to the Jets but as long as they win 31-26 they did go? Just trying to find the line here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Kwai San said: Here is what what happened......Star stepped out for the season - Lawson went to Miami, Milano has been injured the last 4ish weeks and Lorax retired. Thats a HUGE chunk of D that left with NO replacement in place. THERE is the problem. Whine moan and create any theory you want but there are big parts that have gone MIA and it effects the rest of the D. The Covids and the Chefs lost practically no one from their starting D last year.....not to mention they are 1 and 2 in the AFC. Bills were struggling on D before they ran into this buzzsaw. It will get harder before it gets easier.... Solid points. I don’t think our d will be elite this year but I think we can be better on third downs with a little better communication and some healthy players. Defense has been patchwork all year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, wvbillsfan said: Might have actually hurt us more. We are the team that wants to run 4wrs and throw the ball all over the yard because we can’t run. So what you are saying is we have coaches that cant adjust to weather. Sounds like a great staff then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? They had 500 yards of total offense. The downpour kept them at 26 points, not the defense that gave up 200 rushing yards and 5 incomplete passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Kwai San said: Here is what what happened......Star stepped out for the season - Lawson went to Miami, Milano has been injured the last 4ish weeks and Lorax retired. Thats a HUGE chunk of D that left with NO replacement in place. THERE is the problem. Whine moan and create any theory you want but there are big parts that have gone MIA and it effects the rest of the D. The Covids and the Chefs lost practically no one from their starting D last year.....not to mention they are 1 and 2 in the AFC. Bills were struggling on D before they ran into this buzzsaw. It will get harder before it gets easier.... That is the truth...except it should get easier...the Bills got the Jests this week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Helaire the rookie bent these boys over and spanked their asses. IDK what OP is getting at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: The. Worst. Feeling. We cut it to 6, with what.. 7 minutes left? I still never felt we had a chance. If the D could have got a stop Josh would have put together another drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, JMF2006 said: That is the truth...except it should get easier...the Bills got the Jests this week Yeah but it is still a HUGE game! Bills need to win HUGELY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Andy Reid was more than happy to run the ball all over us as well and Mahomes smart enough to dunk and dunk underneath. Our lack of a running game is going to haunt us when conditions dictate we shouldn’t be throwing as much. Also at times our d couldn’t get off the field when really needed Sure wish we had Henry that dude is a beast. We took Reggie Ragland 4 picks before Henry in case everyone forgot. Edited October 20, 2020 by ALLEN1QB 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: So what you are saying is we have coaches that cant adjust to weather. Sounds like a great staff then. I think the coaches tried offensively to adjust to the weather. You saw it in the run game. what I’m saying is the weather prevented us from playing to our strength which is going to be a problem later in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Kwai San said: Yeah but it is still a HUGE game! Bills need to win HUGELY 17-16 works for me its all about the W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: Full stop on this narrative. They had the ball for about 2/3rds of the game. I’ll say it again for those in the back... Its a 60 minute game. Our Offense had about 7 possessions to score more than 26 points. One of those being a desperation play for a long FG before half. BINGO! Again, it reminded me of XXV, which I attended soooo long ago. But, unlike the Giants under Hostetler, the Chiefs have a HOF capable QB in Mahomes. The reason Reid decided to allow KC to run the ball, was because he found out early he COULD! And the D was so pitiful, that he was eating up huge chunks of time, where they could not get off the field, let alone stop lengthy 3rd, Down conversions. It was a complete illusion that the game appeared this close! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, mjt328 said: This is a case where it's important to watch the game, and not just look at the box score. The ONLY reason we held the Chiefs to 26 points was because they decided to run it down our throats. Even when we pulled within 6 points, I never had the confidence our Defense could come up with a stop. I did watch the game. If the one fumble had happened a second earlier (before the knee was down) we most likely take the lead in the 4th quarter. Our D line has't been good this year, and some of the losses (Star, Shaq, Jordan Phillips) have definitely hurt, but I feel like overall the Offense needed to play better last night. People are angry that the Chiefs controlled time of possession, and it's valid, but the offense HAS to pick up more first downs and 1 or 2 more long drives to help the defense out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 To me giving up 200 plus yards on the ground is worse and much more painful to watch than a few big pass plays even if the score is lower in the end. It did not matter if it was 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 17, you knew that the Chiefs were going to convert it 90 percent of the time. So far this season, the defensive unit which carried the team from 2017-2019 when the offense was not that great has now become a liability when the offense has finally gotten better. Hopefully, they can turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 yup, the d slowed the chiefs offense down enough. they sold out stopping the big play offense and gave up the run. our offense just couldn't get one more score or even keep drives going longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is a really bad take. As others have noted, the only reason why we "held" Kansas City to 26 points is because they ran the ball all day and ground down the clock. They were moving the chains at will and could have hung 40+ on us if they had wanted to. Nobody who actually watched the game would defend the team for "only" giving up 26. I get that you might think that way if all you saw was the final score, but our defense was absolutely man-handled the entire night. Moreover, this is not just a one game thing. The defense has been poor in every single game except the Jets game, and that was against the Jets. I mean, Allen had a bad game last night but I'm not too bothered about it because he's been very good so far and I'm not going to freak out over one bad game. The defense has now had five back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back games in a row. That's not a weird aberration or a single deviation from an otherwise positive trajectory. At this point, it's impossible to avoid the conclusion that something is seriously wrong with the defense. It's actually getting to the point that I'm starting to wonder if this isn't getting into the offense's head a bit. We grew kind of accustomed to following a team that did well to put up 17 or so points a game, and the offense's ineptitude always put the defense under all sorts of pressure. The could afford to give up about one drive a game, but not two, not if we were going to win. Now the tables are turned -- the defense can't get off the field on third down regardless of distance, they're not getting turnovers, they're not getting pressure let alone sacks, and it often feels like they give up points on every single drive. (This isn't just a KC-is-awesome thing. Recall that we couldn't really even slow down the freaking Dolphins back in week 2). When we fell behind by 10 last night, that was when it seemed like the game was officially over because we just weren't going to get enough possessions to make up that deficit and the additional points that we all knew we were going to concede. The offense has to feel as if it needs to score on every possession, and that can't make life easy on any of those guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Kwai San said: It will get harder before it gets easier.... You know we play the Jets this week, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 we gave up 250 yds rushing...that's very concerning....as far as the weather....it was raining.....not a big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaccof Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: The only reason we held them to a relatively low point total was our attempt at ball control offense (we had one long drive), and the fact Andy Reid decided to run the ball all night. We never really stopped them, and I think they could have thrown the ball all over the yard if they wanted. I have to agree with you. They had a 9 minute drive I believe where they passed once or twice but pretty much owned the line of scrimmage. It seemed like they were toying with the Bills defense. I can only imagine that if it was a shoot out the Bills would have been outshot....nothing like the Jets to make all things right again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? I agree. The defensive gameplan was hard to watch but it worked. Unfortunately the offensive gameplan was hard to watch and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: People are angry that the Chiefs controlled time of possession, and it's valid, but the offense HAS to pick up more first downs and 1 or 2 more long drives to help the defense out. Or maybe the defense could quit giving up conversions on third-and-long over and over again. The fact that you're expecting flawless play from the offense to bail them out essentially concedes that it's a problem. Right now the Bills are a totally one dimensional team, and those sorts of teams typically don't last long in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, GunnerBill said: I agree. The defensive gameplan was hard to watch but it worked. Unfortunately the offensive gameplan was hard to watch and failed. Lost in all of this is the sneaky fact that CEH was a hair away from handing the Bills a late lead had his knee hit 1/4 second later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, thebandit27 said: Lost in all of this is the sneaky fact that CEH was a hair away from handing the Bills a late lead had his knee hit 1/4 second later. Yep. Don't get me wrong the defense is not what it has been and it was ugly viewing but it got almost no help from the offense last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? It's not just the points. They could have thrown the ball more and lit up the scoreboard if they had too. It wasn't necessary because our defense was gouged for 245 yds on the ground making CEH look like an All-Pro. Mahomes was still 21-26 for 225 and 2 TD's. Our defense can't stop a nose bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: We gave up 26 points to the Chiefs. The only team to give up fewer this year has been the Chargers (who gave up 23 and lost) - the Patriots also allowed 26 (and lost by more than we did.) Going into this game I thought our recipe for winning against the Chiefs would be holding them to under 30 and scoring more than that. Were you all really anticipating holding them to much less? Whats this WE stuff, I never left the living room 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, HOUSE said: Whats this WE stuff, I never left the living room You didn't make a single tackle either. This is on you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Or maybe the defense could quit giving up conversions on third-and-long over and over again. The fact that you're expecting flawless play from the offense to bail them out essentially concedes that it's a problem. Right now the Bills are a totally one dimensional team, and those sorts of teams typically don't last long in the playoffs. I'm not expecting flawless play from the offense. They needed some first downs. Josh passed for 120 yards and 50% accuracy. There's not a team in the league that will beat the Chiefs with that from their QB. And I'm not saying the sky is falling or Josh has regressed or we're in trouble. Just that he's had a couple bad games in a row, and last night we weren't beating the best team in the league with that game from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Had the Bills somehow put up 30 points, the Chiefs would have scored 40+... Don't kid yourself. I will say, the D looked like they finally came alive during the 4th quarter. They looked like they were playing hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 You won't win many games with these stats: Player CAR YDS TD AVG Clyde Edwards-Helaire 26 161 0 6.2 Player CAR YDS TD AVG Josh Allen 8 42 0 5.3 Devin Singletary 10 32 0 3.2 Zack Moss 5 10 0 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said: I'm not expecting flawless play from the offense. They needed some first downs. Josh passed for 120 yards and 50% accuracy. There's not a team in the league that will beat the Chiefs with that from their QB. And I'm not saying the sky is falling or Josh has regressed or we're in trouble. Just that he's had a couple bad games in a row, and last night we weren't beating the best team in the league with that game from him. Last night's offensive struggles were not all on Josh. He didn't play great, he missed some chances early and then started pressing but he didn't get much assistance either. It was the worst pass blocking day our line has had, our running backs are slow and apart from Diggs there were not many guys getting open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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