McDermott: Cody Ford will remain at Guard

[YoloinOhio]

He hasn’t played RT all season, so makes sense but if Williams were to get injured it looks like Nseckhe and Ford would not go back there 

 

What will be interesting is if he moves back to RG while Winters is hurt and Feliciano still out, and Spain back to LG. I think Spain played RG on Sunday  when winters went out? 

Edited October 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[thenorthremembers]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He hasn’t played RT all season, so makes sense but if Williams were to get injured it looks like Nseckhe and Ford would not go back there 

 

 

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

[HOUSE]

Why move him at the end of the day ??

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

They seem to really like both and I can see them re-signing mongo, not sure he would be cost prohibitive. Williams is a different story. He might really get some cash on the open market if he stays healthy, at age 29. I think they could draft an OT. 

[JMF2006]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

 

Not concerned at all about RG and RT after this year.

 

If they perform they get extended if they don't  our GM with a track record of finding decent players at a decent price will get the void filled.

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Not concerned at all about RG and RT after this year.

 

If they perform they get extended if they don't  our GM with a track record of finding decent players at a decent price will get the void filled.

The problem is you are likely playing with a lower cap next year, it may stay static or plunge as low as 180 million.   Tackles are costly, and so far Williams has earned it.

I trust Beane to make good decisions, but a lot of tough choices to make when Mongo, Williams, and Milano are all free agents.

[JMF2006]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He hasn’t played RT all season, so makes sense but if Williams were to get injured it looks like Nseckhe and Ford would not go back there 

 

What will be interesting is if he moves back to RG while Winters is hurt and Feliciano still out, and Spain back to LG. I think Spain played RG on Sunday  when winters went out? 

 

I think he stays at LG  to develop chemistry with Shnowman and Morse locking that part of the line for the next 3 years or more.

 

The right side is a work in progress.

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They seem to really like both and I can see them re-signing mongo, not sure he would be cost prohibitive. Williams is a different story. He might really get some cash on the open market if he stays healthy, at age 29. I think they could draft an OT. 

If you shed Spain's contract you can get Mongo.    Not sure why they made the choice to re-up Spain but they did, so it is what it is. 

 

Some decent right tackle options in the draft like you said, so that may be the right way to go about it.

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

The problem is you are likely playing with a lower cap next year, it may stay static or plunge as low as 180 million.   Tackles are costly, and so far Williams has earned it.

I trust Beane to make good decisions, but a lot of tough choices to make when Mongo, Williams, and Milano are all free agents.

 

Lots of draft picks to find player and they are cap friendly.

 

Beane is pretty good at getting talent there. 

[JMF2006]

11 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

If you shed Spain's contract you can get Mongo.    Not sure why they made the choice to re-up Spain but they did, so it is what it is. 

 

Some decent right tackle options in the draft like you said, so that may be the right way to go about it.

 

If they keep him(Spain) one more year through 2021 releasing him as a pre June 1st cut would only cost 500,000 cap hit and save 4.75m

 

https://overthecap.com/player/quinton-spain/4612/

Edited October 6, 2020 by JMF2006

[FeelingOnYouboty]

This makes me happy

[machine gun kelly]

He played Guard through High School, ranked 20th nationwide as a recruit, and college so it was inevitable they move him to Guard.  It’s a much different position as you take several steps as a Tackle, but you’re first step matters as a Guard as those defenders are in you’re face.  It’s a very different position.  I’m glad and hope he is a locked up Guard for us for the next decade.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

draft a tackle and sign a guard... imo

 

also what’s with McDermott giving a definitive answer.  I’d expect, more of his magic 8 ball stuff like .... it’s going to depend on situations, I’ll need to see the film, it will vary week to week based on match ups... 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Coach Tuesday]

Better become a really good guard to justify that high pick.  

[YoloinOhio]

29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

draft a tackle and sign a guard... imo

 

also what’s with McDermott giving a definitive answer.  I’d expect, more of his magic 8 ball stuff like .... it’s going to depend on situations, I’ll need to see the film, it will vary week to week based on match ups... 

Just like he said, it would be detrimental to his development and the team to keep moving him. so wouldn’t sound appropriate to act like that was a possibility. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Why move him at the end of the day ??

It is what it is. Not for nothing.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

 

Minor concern.  Look how easily they signed both of them plus others in the past two years that have been much more than salvageable.  They could resign one or even both for a relatively cheap contract, if not find the next similar guy on the FA market and probably should draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round.  There is always a number of Felicinao type's every year that hit free agency.  The Bills i.e. Beane seem to know where to find them better than most.

[BuffaloBillies]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Why move him at the end of the day ??

 

For the Thurs, Sun, Mon Night games? Hmmm

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

He has a long way to go, he is such a big human being but doesn't appear to seek and destroy. He doesn't get a lot of push in the running game either and is kind of slow exploding out of his stance. He definitely looks like a RT playing guard. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Just like he said, it would be detrimental to his development and the team to keep moving him. so wouldn’t sound appropriate to act like that was a possibility. 

but now “they” know...

Edited October 6, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

I am happy they made the move.  I think it was obvious he had a higher ceiling at Guard the entire time.  What concerns me, is both the right tackle and right guard they want to keep in when healthy are free agents at the end of the year. 

This is why extending Dawkins had to be the #1 priority this past offseason.  Imagine having to find a LT on top of a RT and another OG.  Yes, we could have tagged Dawkins, but that would’ve dramatically increased his contract.  Beane did very well.  

[whatdrought]

Feliciano getting hurt more less gave them a chance to put Ford at G without having to admit they were wrong in their dogged determination to keep him at T... But still, keeping him there is a good sign. 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

If you shed Spain's contract you can get Mongo.    Not sure why they made the choice to re-up Spain but they did, so it is what it is. 

 

Some decent right tackle options in the draft like you said, so that may be the right way to go about it.

As much as I loved what Beane did with Dawkins and Tre, I scratched my head about the Spain contract. 

[Doc]

Not surprising. And if he’s best suited at left guard, keep him there and let him develop. Try to find someone else at right guard until Feliciano comes back, be it Bates or Boettger. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Feliciano is a junk yard dog, Ford plays like a kitty cat. I will be surprised if Ford gets even 3 pancakes for the whole season. Watch the running attack get better just from having Feliciano back in the lineup. 

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Not concerned at all about RG and RT after this year.

 

If they perform they get extended if they don't  our GM with a track record of finding decent players at a decent price will get the void filled.

 

 

It's going to be a lot harder to bring in decent players at a decent price next year than it has been so far for Beane. Right now we have $2.8M estimated 2021 cap space and the rollover will likely be around $4M or less. That's just about enough to sign the rookies we draft, and 

 

We actually looked reasonably healthy, but this COVID thing destroyed next year's cap, and that will affect a lot of teams badly, including us. If we want a good RT next year we may have to draft one early. The one good thing is that guys who sign contracts next year will have to sign low. There just aren't a lot of teams with money. We might get a guy, maybe even Daryl Williams, to sign a team-friendly one-year deal, but I'm pretty sure Williams would like to avoid that if possible, having just signed a one-year team-friendly deal this year. 

 

There'll be ways to cut a bit here and there. But they have a lot of things they'll need to do just replacing Milano, Josh Norman, Murphy, Levi Wallace, Bojorquez, Boettger, Feliciano, Winters, Daryl Williams, Nsekhe, Tyler Kroft, McKenzie, Andre Roberts and Matt Barkley. Team depth will likely take a major hit and new holes will be developed and we're likely to take a hit in terms of total talent if things stay as they are as far as expected cap level.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Thurman#1

[JMF2006]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's going to be a lot harder to bring in decent players at a decent price next year than it has been so far for Beane. Right now we have $2.8M estimated 2021 cap space and the rollover will likely be around $4M or less.

 

We actually looked reasonably healthy, but this COVID thing destroyed next year's cap, and that will affect a lot of teams badly, including us. If we want a good RT next year we may have to draft one early. The one good thing is that guys who sign contracts next year will have to sign low. There just aren't a lot of teams with money. We might get a guy, maybe even Daryl Williams, to sign a team-friendly one-year deal, but I'm pretty sure Williams would like to avoid that if possible, having just signed a one-year team-friendly deal this year. 

 

The thing is that this will affect all 32 teams and teams that are in cap trouble now will be worse off than the Bills.

 

The other part of this equation is player salaries...they will have to expect less if there is a smaller salary pie to share.

 

Thats why nailing those draft picks at positions of need will be so important next year.

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I think he stays at LG  to develop chemistry with Shnowman and Morse locking that part of the line for the next 3 years or more.

 

The right side is a work in progress.

I woujld say that WIlliams is locking down t hat RT pretty darn well

[JMF2006]

15 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I woujld say that WIlliams is locking down t hat RT pretty darn well

 

I agree but I don't think he is the long term solution.

[GETTOTHE50]

18 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Feliciano is a junk yard dog, Ford plays like a kitty cat. I will be surprised if Ford gets even 3 pancakes for the whole season. Watch the running attack get better just from having Feliciano back in the lineup. 

lol love the animal comparisons here. don’t really get them, but still funny 

[Nextmanup]

22 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Why move him at the end of the day ??

It's kind of an old NFL conventional wisdom thing.

 

But basically, it's believed that player movement done too early, especially before noon, brings bad luck.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

19 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

As much as I loved what Beane did with Dawkins and Tre, I scratched my head about the Spain contract. 

He regressed this year as he played fairly well last year.  Resigning him at the time made sure you could keep the same o-line together (Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Feliciano, Ford/Nsekhe) if you wanted to this year.  Continuity they say is important with offensive lines.  It was before the Daryl Williams signing (didn't know what to expect from him) and the Winters signing.  If we cut Spain after this season it's only a 1.5 million dollar cap hit spread out over the next two seasons.  At the worst you're getting great depth at the o-line.  Wish they did the same with LB's.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Shoulda been DK. Same goes for Oliver

[Chandler#81]

Coach, I don’t wanna say we told you so, but..

 

WE TOLD YOU!

[vincec]

2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

I agree but I don't think he is the long term solution.

Why not?

[machine gun kelly]

21 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Feliciano is a junk yard dog, Ford plays like a kitty cat. I will be surprised if Ford gets even 3 pancakes for the whole season. Watch the running attack get better just from having Feliciano back in the lineup. 

 Ktulu, I respectfully and I mean that as I like you’re posts disagree Ford plays like a Kitty Kat.  Guys like Paul Alexander (long time O Line coach), Dave Diehl, amd a couple others I respect have commented he’s making the natural shift.  I completely agree with you I like Mongo more than Spain at Guard, amd he’s looked weak this year.  I guess I’m with Barley, I scratched my head at the Spain extension, unless they were worried about Feliciano’s health?  I know the injury was after the contract, but you never know if they had some inside knowledge on Feliciano.  We’ll never know.

 

I like Ford and it’s a possibility he could turn with time into Decastro as an example.  He has a good first step, and coming from someone who coached lineman albeit not anywhere near that level, I can see him working out.  After coaching RB’s and Linebackers, my other position coach was the most fun doing the line.  They have to work as one unit, moreso than any other unit.  At left Guard, he’ll end up pulling left with Dawkins and in many cases Morse.  Feliciano is best suited on the right as he is somewhat on an island.  The RT is pulling out to the right, so the RG has a lot of space to cover.  Ford did a very good, not great job on Donald.  That monster was going to get in Allen’s face, but Ford with Morse made it a little harder on the best DT in the NFL, and there isn’t even a close second.

[DCofNC]

If only they would see it with Edmunds and move him outside.

[JMF2006]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

Why not?

 

I thought he was 29 but  he just turned 28 so maybe he has a couple of years left.

 

His tenure here could be limited by the cap and what he wants salary wise.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

I thought he was 29 but  he just turned 28 so maybe he has a couple of years left.

 

His tenure here could be limited by the cap and what he wants salary wise.

 

What his salary demands are, and what he's offered on the market, are the big issue.  The Bills will definitely want to bring him back.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

 Ktulu, I respectfully and I mean that as I like you’re posts disagree Ford plays like a Kitty Kat.  Guys like Paul Alexander (long time O Line coach), Dave Diehl, amd a couple others I respect have commented he’s making the natural shift.  I completely agree with you I like Mongo more than Spain at Guard, amd he’s looked weak this year.  I guess I’m with Barley, I scratched my head at the Spain extension, unless they were worried about Feliciano’s health?  I know the injury was after the contract, but you never know if they had some inside knowledge on Feliciano.  We’ll never know.

 

I like Ford and it’s a possibility he could turn with time into Decastro as an example.  He has a good first step, and coming from someone who coached lineman albeit not anywhere near that level, I can see him working out.  After coaching RB’s and Linebackers, my other position coach was the most fun doing the line.  They have to work as one unit, moreso than any other unit.  At left Guard, he’ll end up pulling left with Dawkins and in many cases Morse.  Feliciano is best suited on the right as he is somewhat on an island.  The RT is pulling out to the right, so the RG has a lot of space to cover.  Ford did a very good, not great job on Donald.  That monster was going to get in Allen’s face, but Ford with Morse made it a little harder on the best DT in the NFL, and there isn’t even a close second.

I thought he looked below average vs Donald and nothing really stood out to me watching replays of the Raiders game. I like Ford and I guess he might need a little time to get used to playing LG. Time will tell, I guess.